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Love and justice: order and chaos

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I'm Dr. Orion Taban and this is Psychax

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Better Living Through Psychology. And

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the topic of today's short talk is love

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and justice. These are two grand words

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that represent two very weighty

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concepts. I'm not going to be able to do

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justice to both of them in such a short

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episode. However, I'm going to be so

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bold as to present a few ideas that have

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been kicking around in my head lately.

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We seem to have two very different

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attitudes toward these two concepts. We

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seem to want love, demand it even, but

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justice, well, maybe for other people,

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but not so much for ourselves. Many

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people explicitly believe that only God

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can judge them in the sense that they

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believe that no one has the right to put

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him or herself above another in the act

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of judgment. All humans are created

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equal after all. So they say. Therefore,

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human judgment is a kind of arrogant

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usurpation of God's place which belief

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gives rise to all kinds of contempt for

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earthly institutions.

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And I can see where these people are

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coming from. Earthly institutions have a

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long history of abusing the power

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entrusted to them to execute justice.

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And justice absolutely in its highest

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sense can be understood as coming from

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God. However, the exact same things

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could be said about love. Love

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absolutely in its highest sense can be

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understood as coming from God. and many

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abuses have been perpetuated in its

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name. My point is that the common

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objections against justice aren't unique

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to that idea. They can be applied to

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pretty much any and every moral good.

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But this collectively puts us in a very

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strange position. We refuse to be judged

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by people especially because judgment so

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often comes with consequences or even

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punishments that are experienced as

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painful. But we expect love from people.

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That is we expect people to be divine in

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their capacity to love but not in their

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capacity to judge which is very

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peculiar. We are collectively saying I

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want the good stuff now and I'll take

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the bad stuff in the next life if there

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is one. And in any case, I'll be banking

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on God being a merciful distributor of

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justice. Now, this is very interesting

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for several reasons. In the first place,

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when people begin to love, to truly and

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deeply love, we often say that they

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become increasingly divine.

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It's as if by channeling more of this

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divine quality, they become more divine

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themselves. So why wouldn't the same be

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true of justice, which even the

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naysayers contend is a divine attribute?

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In fact, that's pretty much their entire

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argument for rejecting its earthly

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manifestation.

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When people begin to judge correctly, to

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truthfully and accurately and

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dispassionately judge,

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I believe that they can also become more

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divine. God is multifaceted.

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So there is more than one way to

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approach the higher power. He's not just

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one good quality. He is many good

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qualities. And none of the many good

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qualities that he is requires

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modification.

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What does that mean? Well, the justice

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I'm talking about here is not social

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justice. How could it be? Justice is

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good enough as it is. It is not improved

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with the modifier. The highest goods are

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always words that are diminished through

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modification. like love. How would you

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feel if you asked your partner, "Hey, do

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you love me?" And he or she responded,

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"Actually, I'll do you one better. I

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love you socially. I have social love

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for you."

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Would you consider that an improvement

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over he or she saying, "I love you." I

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think you would be hardpressed to find

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someone who would agree. By the same

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token, social justice is not an

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improvement on justice. Like social love

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is a denigration of love. Social justice

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is a denigration of justice. And it's a

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denigration because it's an attempt to

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adulterate justice with a kind of

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misguided, limpisted kind of love. It is

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justice to a point which of course is

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We don't like to admit this, but it is

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possible for two goods like love and

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justice to come into conflict with each

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other. This actually happens all the

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time and it is the crux of every great

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moral dilemma from the Bhagavad Gita and

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the Greek tragedies through to the

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modern day. Justice is essentially based

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on values and the laws from which they

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are derived. It presumes that everyone

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from the meanest beggar to the highest

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king must surrender to them without

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exception. On the other hand, love, at

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least as most people understand it,

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basically argues that there are

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extenduating circumstances.

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Let us be merciful. Let us bend the

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rule. Let us forego the application of

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this consequence. Hasn't this individual

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suffered enough? Have pity and soften

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your heart.

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And this is why love will kind of always

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be something of a rebellious antisocial

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force. Love has contempt for rules and

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order. It will not only love where it is

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allowed. It will not only love where it

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is permitted. Love is the spontaneous

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force of union and so cannot be

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constrained by laws. Love is chaotic and

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anti-establishmentarianism.

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Now, we could make the argument that

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love is a kind of necessary chaos that

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prevents our institutions from becoming

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too rigid or oified.

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But we have to make peace with the

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understanding that love essentially

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seeks exception from established law. I

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mean, that's what made the teachings of

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Jesus so radical. No longer should we

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take an eye for an eye, but endeavor to

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turn the other cheek.

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And this conflict is amplified when we

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understand that love is for individuals

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while justice is for societies.

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It is very very hard to hold people

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accountable to certain laws if you

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prioritize love over justice.

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Love will always put the individual

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above the society. It will ask society

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to make the exception, not the

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individual.

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But it's justice that keeps societies

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together. And as long as the individual

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needs society, the individual is

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actually threatened, albeit indirectly,

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by being prioritized over and above

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society.

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This is why Socrates drank the hemlock.

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He understood that the abuse of power in

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his particular case was less important

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than the individual's surrender to law

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in general. His followers who loved him

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urged him to escape his punishment with

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many reasonable persuasive arguments.

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However, escape would undermine society,

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the rule of law. And it may well be that

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the average Athenian needed Athens more

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than the average Athenian needed

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Socrates.

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This is an uncomfortable attitude for

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the modern individual which is why the

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west is falling apart. We have fallen

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into the collective delusion that the

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individual or more precisely certain

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individuals who are primarily defined by

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their demographic characteristics should

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come before the law.

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that love that seeks exception should

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trump justice which is universal.

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If you recall this was functionally the

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defense for monarchy for hundreds of

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years. This is why the Magna Carta was

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so important. It was the reemergence of

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the social ideal that no individual, not

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even a royal, not even a king, is above

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the law, is above justice. And the work

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of the last millennia has been to

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realize that ideal.

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However, the last few decades have

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significantly undermined that progress.

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Now we have multiple cast systems.

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Elites who like royals are above the

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law. protected identity categories which

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are kind of beneath it and everyone

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else. You see this very obviously in the

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Bay Area. There is a growing underclass

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of society that is functionally exempt

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from all laws. Many people believe that

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applying justice to these people would

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simply be a form of cruelty. So we'll

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let love win functionally allow them to

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do whatever they want without

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consequences. And let me tell you,

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that's not loving it. It's also not

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helping them. And it's certainly not

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good for society as a whole. It is the

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result of a mushyheaded, uncritical

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perversion of love that would rather

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society fall apart,

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which will ultimately endanger every

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individual they're attempting to

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protect, then hold people accountable

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for their actions.

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It is completely destroyed with even a

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little rational thinking.

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If it's possible to approach godliness

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with respect to our ability to love one

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another, which no one seems to have a

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problem with, then why wouldn't it be

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possible to approach godliness in our

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capacity to implement justice?

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After all, justice is also an attribute

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of the divine. In my opinion, we do not

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need a modified justice like social

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justice. We need better execution of

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justice. And what justice essentially is

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and has always been is equal treatment

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under law. Equal treatment. The show has

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it wrong. It's not love that's blind.

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It's justice.

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Justice doesn't see your class or your

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race or your gender or your

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circumstances. It is the impartial and

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dispassionate administration of order.

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And while you could possibly argue that

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the social justice movement is a

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reaction against an oppressive or

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corrupt form of justice in the past

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which inspired a kind of love to emerge

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to disrupt this order with its chaos, I

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think we can safely say that the

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pendulum has swung too far in the other

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direction and we will soon be entering

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into a corrective period.

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Interactive Summary

Dr. Orion Taban explores the complex relationship between love and justice, highlighting a societal paradox where people demand love but often reject human judgment, attributing it solely to God. He argues that if channeling divine love makes individuals more divine, the same should apply to the correct exercise of justice. Taban criticizes "social justice" as a dilution of true justice, much like "social love" would diminish love. He explains that love and justice frequently conflict: love seeks exceptions and prioritizes individuals, leading to chaos, while justice, based on universal laws, is crucial for societal cohesion. Using Socrates as an example, he illustrates the importance of individual surrender to law for the sake of society. The speaker contends that the modern Western world's prioritization of individualistic love (seeking exceptions) over universal justice has led to societal fragmentation, the undermining of the rule of law, and the emergence of caste systems where some are exempt from accountability. He advocates for a better, impartial execution of true justice, defined as equal treatment under the law, which is blind to individual circumstances.

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