Are US Stocks too Expensive? Bubble?
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Okay. So, hello everyone. And first, let
me just say I'm really sorry that this
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save for this coming weekend. Very often
hear people comment that I'm staying out
of the US market or I'm selling my US
stocks because it's just too expensive.
It's it's a bubble. And who can blame
them? Because that is what the media
tends to push as a narrative very often,
especially recently. Again, if you look
at some of the headlines, it's a super
bubble in the US. Stocks about to pop.
Economists who called the 08 recession
warns stocks in a mega bubble. Do
profit. Albert Edwards who predicted the
2000 crash wars another bubble is going
to burst. Huge growth stock bubble could
sink the S&P 500 by 40% says Bank of
America. Interesting thing is that I've
been in the markets now for over 25
years and they've been saying this same
for the last 25 years. Every year
they tell you the market's in a bubble.
What's new? Okay. And I'm just going to
give you a couple of examples. If I show
you every single year, it's going to
take a few hours just for this video,
but just a few examples. So this is the
S&P 500 US market for the last 16 years
or so, right? Since 2008, 2009. And you
can see for example back in 2010 there's
a big article by the New York Times that
says that uh the market forecast that
says take cover markets are in a huge
bubble. Robert Preacher the market
forecaster said that we are entering a
market decline of the biggest in the
last 300 years. So this was in 2010.
This was like 15 years ago. There's a
bubble. It's going to biggest biggest
crash in 300 years. Right? And then in
2014,
uh, Goldman Sachs at the time said the
last time stocks were this expensive was
the tech bubble. They warned. So again,
they say it's a bubble over here. And
then back in 2017, Harry Dent said once
in a lifetime crash is coming in the
next 3 years. Did it come? Not not
really. Right. And then uh over here um
July 2020 as the market was recovering
the financial times said the coming
earning season could bring lofty stocks
down to earth. So again they say that
stocks are too expensive is a bubble.
And then over here we have got our good
friend Robert Kiyosaki. Uh by the way I
you know not all Asians are the same.
Let me just warn you that. Right. Uh do
you have a plan B? We are in the biggest
bubble in world history. This was back
in March 2022. And then uh over here
in April 2023, we've got Harry Dent
again, the same guy that said that he
had a once in a-lifetime crash back in
2017. Now he says, I expect another
crash in our lifetime between now and
June in 2023.
So my question is, how many lifetimes
does this guy have? I mean, is he a
freaking cat? Right? Does he have like
nine lifetimes? I don't know, right? And
then again recently in 2024 we have got
Kyosaki again says the everything bubble
stocks bonds are all going to crash.
We're going to die. Right? So every year
they tell you that stocks are too
expensive too. I've heard the same story
for 25 years. As you guys know I don't
make my decision based on narratives and
news headlines. I make my decisions
based on numbers. I'm a numbers guy. I
like to look at numbers right? And if
the numbers tell me the market is
expensive, sure I'm going to get out
right now. I'm going to sell. Right? But
if the the numbers tell me that the
market is not expensive, I want to keep
buying. So it it's all about the
numbers. So why do some people say that
the market's too expensive? Well, it
depends on what metrics you look at.
Now, some people they love to quote this
thing called the Buffett indicator. And
they said that the Buffett indicator
shows that a market is too expensive.
Now what is this Buffett indicator? Many
years ago, like 30 years, 40 years ago,
Warren Buffett said that he looks at the
market cap of the S&P 500, which
basically means the the market value of
the 500 stocks in the S&P, and you
divide that by the US GDP. And he said
that this should be below 100%. If it
goes above 100%, then it's going to be
very expensive. And recently, this
indicator has hit over 200%. And there
are a lot of news headlines that say,
"Oh, the Buffett indicator says that
it's a super bubble, right? And it hit
205% signaling extreme market
overvaluation. Is this a reliable
indicator?" Well, if you do your
research, the answer is no. In fact,
very recently, someone asked Buffett
about this indicator and he said, "Well,
I don't use it anymore. It used to work.
It doesn't work anymore." Why? Very
simple. 30, 40 years ago, this indicator
worked because the majority of the
profits that came from the S&P 500 were
from the US market. But as you know,
increasingly many of the S&P 500
companies are multinational companies.
So a bigger proportion of their profits,
in fact, some companies, 25 or even 50%
of their profits are not from the US
market. They are from all around the
world. and all these profits that they
make from all around the world is not
captured within the US GDP. You get the
point? So now the S&P 500 the market
value has gone up because it makes a lot
of profits like Nvidia and Microsoft and
and Apple but a lot of their profits are
not from the US economy. They're from
outside the US economy. So this is
increasing but it's not reflected in the
US GDP. Hence the indicator looks very
high but in actual fact many of these
companies are not expensive. Another
reason why some people say that US
stocks are expensive is because they're
looking at the PE ratio of the entire
market. The price toearnings ratio more
specifically specifically let's take a
look at the price divide by the forward
earnings ratio which is the share price
today divided by the projected earnings
of the companies over the next 12
months. So you can see that right now
the forward PE ratio of the S&P 500 is
22 times earnings. So is that high or is
that low? One way to judge is to compare
it with where it was historically. So if
you take a look at the last uh 10 years,
the average forward price to earnings
ratio of the S&P 500 was 18.4 times over
the last 10 year average. And the last
5year average was 19.9 times. So
currently is it above it? Yes, it is
above the 5-year and 10 year average.
So, does this show that stocks are
expensive? Yes, if you look at this
metric alone. However, I've mentioned
many times that PE ratio by itself is
very misleading. Why? Because it does
not take into account the growth of the
earnings, right? Does not take into
account the growth of the earnings. So
one thing to understand is that the
companies today their earnings are
growing much faster than they were 5 10
20 years ago and the profit margins of
the companies are three times more today
than they were 20 years ago. So you
can't compare today's PE ratio with the
historical PE ratio because companies
are growing faster with higher profit
margins. So a more fair comparison is to
use what we call the uh pack ratio. So
what is pack ratio? PE ratio is the PE
ratio
of the market or you can use a stock if
you want divided by the earnings growth
rate. Okay. So remember that a stock
with a high PE ratio can be cheap if the
earnings are growing double digit. That
is actually very cheap. Like Nvidia used
to have a very high PE ratio, but
because the earnings are growing very
much, Nvidia was actually very cheap.
That's why I bought Nvidia at $15 in
2022 when the PE ratio was 60 times
earnings. People thought it was
expensive. It was actually very cheap.
And from $15 a share, Nvidia is now
what? $50 $160 per share. All right.
But a stock with a low PE ratio like
Intel looks like a low PE could actually
be expensive because the earnings are
not growing. The earnings are declining.
Okay. So you have to always judge the PE
ratio in relation to the earnings
growth. And one way to do it is to look
at what we call the PE ratio.
So basically the higher the PE ratio the
more expensive. The lower the pack ratio
the cheaper. So what's the pack ratio of
the market today? If you take the PE
ratio divide by the growth of the
earnings of the companies, well, you get
about 1.4 something roughly about almost
1.5. So, is this high or low? Well,
again, if you compare it to the recent
history, it is not low, but it's not
very high as well. In fact, you can see
the pack ratio of the S&P 500 was at 2.0
uh back in 2023
or so, right? It was at over 2.4
uh back in 2020. It was
1.7 in 2016. And you can see over here
in 2010, in 2004,
in in the '90s, it was higher than where
it is today. So if you actually take the
pack ratio which is a better valuation
measure, the market is cheaper today
than it has been many times in the last
uh 30 years. I can tell you that if you
really want to know whether stocks are
cheap or expensive, forget looking at
the PE ratio, forget the Buffett
indicator, forget the PE ratio because
all these are just too general and they
just too vague. So let me give you an
example. If you just take a look at the
GDP per capita of the US, you may
conclude that oh all Americans are rich
or if you look at the GDP ratio of
Singapore, you may say, "Hey, all
Singaporeans are rich." Is that true? Of
course not. Right? It depends on in the
US which city certain cities are richer
than others. Depends on the household.
So to really get a picture of whether uh
stocks are cheap or expensive, you have
to look at the individual companies and
do a valuation of the individual
companies using a discounted free cash
flow valuation model or price to book
ratio or price to uh or discounted net
income uh valuation method. So that's
what we do at Puranum Profits. We drill
down to the individual companies. We do
a bottom-up approach to find out yes in
the market which are the expensive
stocks which are the cheap stocks are
and are there more expensive more cheap
and how do we focus on the ones that are
fairly priced or underv the high quality
stocks. Okay. So we have just uh used
stock oracle to run through all the 500
stocks in the S&P 500 and what we found
is that out of the 500 stocks yes there
are some that are very expensive. In
fact, out of the 500 companies,
155 companies are more than 20%
overvalued. So that makes up about 31%
of the stocks are very expensive. So
obviously you don't want to buy these
stocks. Well, not yet until they come
down, right? And about 12.4%
or 62 stocks are overvalued by more than
10% to 20%. But again in the market you
do have stocks that are fairly priced,
not too expensive, not too cheap, fairly
priced within plus - 10% of their
intrinsic value. And this would be 161
stocks in the S&P 500. And lo and
behold, there are stocks that are still
cheap. In fact, you can see that about
10.4% of stocks in the in the S&P are
undervalued between 10 to 20% below the
intrinsic value. And 14% of stocks are
very undervalued by more than 20%. So
you never make a sweeping statement that
all stocks are expensive in the US. No,
you've got cheap, you got expensive,
right? The key is how do you focus on
the ones that are cheap and not too
expensive and add the high quality ones
and avoid the expensive ones. What are
some of these specific stocks that are
good quality companies that are fairly
priced or underpriced? Well, if you want
to find out what you have to do, that's
right. You have to join me at Retail
Rebellion. My upcoming live online event
is going to span over two weekends. I'm
going to start speaking this weekend and
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weekend. Okay, but don't worry. Let me
just, you know, give you some ideas.
Okay, so again, I'm going to show you
this entire list during Retail
Rebellion. But for now, I'm going to,
you know, tease you a bit with some
stock. So you can see for example KLA
Corporation which is really expensive
right now. You've got Walmart that is
pretty expensive as well. You've got
Broadcom a great company that is
expensive as well. American Express also
very expensive. So these are highly
overpriced. Uh then you got stocks that
are you know overvalued between 10 to
20%. Uh for example you've got stocks
like um CBOE which is the options
exchange. You have got stocks like uh
let's see Synopsis and a couple of
others over here. And then stocks that
are fairly valued between plus minus 10%
stocks like AMD, you've got Amazon, you
got Arista Networks, you have got
Electronic Arts, you have got Coca-Cola,
you got Lowe's and a couple of others.
And stocks which are undervalued like
PayPal, like Fizer, like Pepsi, like
pool corporation, like Troll Price and
you know Salesforce also undervalued
between 10 and 20%. And there stocks
that are very cheap right now like
Lululemon and you've got CarMax, you've
got um uh Craft Hinds and you've got BDX
as well. Now again bear in mind I keep
saying that just because a stock is
cheap doesn't mean that it's a good
investment. It has to be a high quality
stock that is undervalued. All right? So
you have to look at the quality as well.
And uh that's why I'm going to show you
in my webinar during retail rebellion.
What is my checklist of how I identify
the highest quality companies? The
companies that have got consistent
growth in revenue, profits, free cash
flow, companies that have got strong
economic modes, companies that I know
may drop temporarily, but they will
always bounce back higher. We call this
the tennis ball stocks. But some stocks
I call the the egg stocks, right? They
drop, they don't bounce back. Some of
them may even crack if they drop too
hard. So, look forward to seeing you
there again this weekend at Retail
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The video discusses the persistent narrative that the US stock market is in a bubble and overvalued, a claim the speaker has heard repeatedly over the last 25 years. The speaker argues that relying on broad metrics like the 'Buffett Indicator' or traditional Price-to-Earnings (PE) ratios is misleading, as they fail to account for modern factors like international earnings and company growth rates. Instead, the speaker advocates for a bottom-up, fundamental analysis of individual stocks to identify high-quality companies that are fairly priced or undervalued, rather than making sweeping statements about the entire market.
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