If you wanted to transform the world of

the 18th century, you might care about

like how well you can navigate

Westminster or something. But another

thing you might care about is like, can

you just like immediately start building

steamships and telegraph and the Maxim

gun and whatever? If you could get

really good at that, you could like be a

[ __ ] super transformative thing in

the 18th century. So you're suggesting

if we do that, if the AIs get really

good at the verifiable stuff of chip

design, etc., and then they get really

good at building fabs, it'll be the

equivalent of going back to the 18th

century and like, okay, I don't know

what you guys are talking about in your

parliament, but I've got a bunch [music]

of steamships and of Maxim guns.

>> Yeah, that's basically right. Like I

think my perspective is like if the AIs

are sufficiently good at R&D, including

hardware R&D, robots, whatever, then

they can [music] radically transform the

world even if they're not that good at

playing politics. And also we're in a

pretty dangerous [music] situation

because the AIs might be doing huge

amounts of really hard to understand

R&D, building out basically the whole

economy of the future, and we may not

understand [music] what's going on in

there.