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0:01

Absolute chaos on the timeline last

0:04

night, this morning, around Leopold

0:06

Auerbach's hedge fund situational

0:09

awareness. They have been forced to

0:11

unwind their public stock portfolio

0:13

after steep losses on AI infrastructure

0:17

bets. CNBC reported this on Thursday,

0:20

today.

0:21

Uh

0:22

Prime brokers reportedly rushed to raise

0:24

cash to meet margin requirements while

0:26

Ken Griffin's Citadel, my former

0:29

employer,

0:30

>> [laughter]

0:30

>> uh reached a deal to purchase the fund's

0:32

publicly traded assets.

0:34

>> Did Ken ever do anything to you?

0:37

>> No.

0:37

>> Like this?

0:38

>> No.

0:38

>> [laughter]

0:39

>> What? No.

0:40

>> You were just an intern.

0:40

>> I was an intern. I would I I would have

0:42

loved to be getting him coffee or

0:44

something.

0:44

>> to maybe intentionally send the markets

0:46

into turmoil just to test you?

0:48

>> No, but I mean, honestly, the story of

0:50

Citadel is is crazy. I mean, after the

0:53

the housing crisis, the fund was down

0:55

50% and it was a very very dark time.

0:58

There were building

0:59

>> Ken that at that time, Ken Griffin, what

1:02

he would become didn't exist. And

1:04

otherwise, he probably would have eaten

1:05

the young Ken Griffin alive.

1:07

>> [laughter]

1:07

>> Yeah, maybe. Maybe.

1:08

>> Much like it seems that Ken has done to

1:11

uh Leopold.

1:12

>> Yeah, maybe. Maybe. The other The other

1:14

frustrating thing is that they went down

1:15

50%. I think the next year they went up

1:17

50% and then

1:19

and they were, you know, this is the

1:20

classic, you know, explaining

1:22

fund math to people. Oh, you're back up

1:24

50%. Great. You're back to where you

1:25

were? Nope. You need to go back up 100%

1:28

if you're down 50%. Of course. Anyway,

1:30

the fund had built concentrated

1:32

positions in AI infrastructure companies

1:34

including Nebius, Sandisk, Micron, and

1:37

Coreweave, while also betting against

1:39

software companies such as Adobe. Those

1:42

trades have as unraveled as AI

1:45

infrastructure stocks plunged in recent

1:47

weeks before rebounding sharply today.

1:49

Now, how much of the plunge is around

1:53

shaken faith in AI's ability to deliver

1:56

value, open source, or just oil

1:59

inflation.

2:01

The Fed's actions, we'll get into all of

2:03

this because there's a lot of moving

2:05

different moving pieces that led us to

2:07

where we are today. So, also relevant

2:10

here is from the TBPN newsletter. You

2:12

can go sign up at tbpng.com. And what a

2:14

bunch of people are pointing out

2:15

actually is the fact that on Tuesday it

2:17

was reported that Citadel expected a

2:19

surprise rate hike from the Fed meeting

2:23

that took place yesterday. Which did

2:26

coincide with more sell-off in the

2:27

market. So, the market has been selling

2:29

off based on what might happen at the

2:31

Fed. We reported on the the Fed news.

2:33

There were three Fed governors that said

2:36

we should raise rates, but the rate held

2:38

steady, but mortgage rates are high are

2:40

at over a one-year high at 6.66%

2:43

today. Very odd number. But yesterday

2:46

the Fed left the rate unchanged, and

2:49

today many of the stocks in Leopold's

2:50

portfolio are up double digits, and

2:52

we'll sort of go through them. They're

2:53

up today based on the news that Ken

2:55

Griffin is buying the portfolio, but

2:57

they are still down over the last month,

2:59

for example, in many cases.

3:01

Ash Brennen, a former OpenAI researcher,

3:03

rose to prominence after publishing his

3:04

2024 essay series situational awareness,

3:08

the billion-dollar PDF, as Will Manidis

3:10

put it, I believe, which argued that

3:12

rapid AI progress would require an

3:14

enormous build-out of chips, memory,

3:17

power, and compute infrastructure. That

3:19

thesis became the foundation of his

3:21

investment strategy. After launching the

3:22

fund, he also engaged He is also engaged

3:25

to Anthropic CEO Dario Amodei's chief of

3:27

staff. The news is coming in hot and

3:29

fast on the story. Here's a timeline of

3:30

the most important headlines so far. So,

3:32

Bloomberg, 9:25 p.m. yesterday. I

3:35

remember I think you texted me this as I

3:37

was going to sleep.

3:39

We're like, "Whoa, this is big deal." I

3:41

wonder

3:42

how how crazy this will get over the

3:44

next few days. It got very crazy very

3:45

quickly. So, Bloomberg reported Leopold

3:48

Ash Brennen's situational awareness

3:49

seeks to raise capital after AI route.

3:52

There was an article in the Financial

3:53

Times as well last night just saying

3:55

that hey, there's some there's some

3:57

rumors that are leaking out from LPs

4:00

that they got a letter saying like, hey,

4:01

the market's down now's a good buying

4:03

opportunity. The thesis is as strong as

4:05

ever. If there was ever a time to put

4:07

more money into this fund, now's the

4:08

time. That can be good. You want to be

4:10

buying when things buy low, sell high,

4:12

right? But at the same time, if it if

4:14

it's to cover margin calls, it's if it's

4:16

because the fund's getting beat up, it's

4:17

a little bit rougher of a pitch. Then at

4:20

6:05 a.m. CNBC announces that AI

4:23

investor Leopold Auerbach has been

4:25

forced to unwind all public stock

4:27

positions after steep losses according

4:29

to CNBC sources. And then the Wall

4:31

Street Journal reports at 8:39 a.m. that

4:34

Citadel has stepped in to buy

4:36

Situational Awareness's stock portfolio

4:38

after big losses in AI. And so

4:40

>> After living through FTX and SVB

4:43

and now this on the timeline.

4:46

Uh no.

4:47

>> You're just grizzled.

4:48

>> No, the the my key the key takeaway is

4:50

like when leverage is involved

4:53

>> Mhm.

4:53

>> things just move so so so fast, right?

4:56

You remember with FTX

4:58

>> Yep.

4:58

>> just kind of some rumblings

4:59

>> Yep.

5:00

>> a couple couple posts from SBF saying

5:02

like, we're fine, it's all good, and

5:04

then it was over.

5:05

>> And it is

5:05

>> And then the same thing with SVB, like

5:08

couple rumblings, maybe like a

5:11

couple weeks a week beforehand, few

5:13

posts here and there, and then it just

5:15

moved so so fast, right? Yeah, quite a

5:17

bit different than traditional venture

5:19

world where when a company's dying, it

5:22

dies over

5:23

two, three years, often sometimes more.

5:26

>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

5:27

I'm thinking of like I mean we've had

5:29

some of these companies on from the

5:30

private markets where they've gone

5:32

through big booms and busts like Bird

5:34

and then they built back and they've

5:35

turned around, but there's so much more

5:39

No, I don't know. Lime turned around,

5:41

but but but it took like an extra five

5:44

years for Bird to actually wind down,

5:46

and it's because there's no leverage in

5:47

the system. There's just a bunch of

5:49

dollars that sit there as equity, and

5:52

those get burned down, but every every

5:54

month if the business is deteriorating,

5:56

you're cutting costs, shrinking the

5:57

business, tightening things up, making

5:59

that 12 to 18 months last 24 months, and

6:01

then you wind and then you wind up, you

6:03

know, 24 months in and you're like, "Oh,

6:04

we're not going to be able to raise

6:05

again. Let's stretch this again." And

6:07

and right-size the business again. And

6:09

all of a sudden, it's so it takes like

6:11

years and years for these things to

6:12

unwind. Although they are correlated in

6:14

the venture world, they can be

6:15

decorrelated in the unwinding process,

6:18

and then there can be other things that

6:19

are outweighing the portfolio. So, every

6:21

VC that had Bird on their books probably

6:23

also had some SpaceX on their books or

6:25

something. And so, there's this

6:27

balancing effect, and it takes it takes

6:29

years for these things to balance out,

6:30

and they can be unwound at different

6:32

periods in the market as opposed to

6:34

everything needing to happen all at

6:35

once. So, I like this post from Richard

6:37

Craib,

6:38

one of my favorite investors. He runs

6:40

the quant hedge fund Numerai, and he

6:43

says, "I think it's cool that funds like

6:45

Situational Awareness can exist in

6:47

America, and that there's a market for

6:49

them, but the outcome was never about

6:50

being right or wrong on AI. At 150% vol,

6:55

variance drag alone is 113%

6:59

a year, and risk of ruin is roughly a

7:01

coin flip over the fund's life. A child

7:03

can do the math on a napkin. Claude did

7:06

it for him. AI says ruin wasn't

7:08

unlikely, it was roughly even money. So,

7:11

there's a 50/50% chance 50% chance that

7:14

that the fund sees you know, so many

7:17

losses that they have to that they have

7:18

to do this liquidation process. And

7:20

that's basically what happened. And it's

7:22

it must be so frustrating because this

7:24

is not really does not feel like, "Oh,

7:26

Leopold was wrong about AI and the AI

7:29

bailout." It's like, "Well, there's oil

7:31

and a war and interest rates and all

7:34

these other things going on that are

7:36

creating some jitters." And then also,

7:38

once the AI trade and the the

7:40

trade got so big, you wind up with like

7:44

this retail froth on top that makes

7:46

things even crazier. And then

7:49

>> All that he was benefiting from.

7:50

>> Benefiting from, but also it's much

7:52

harder to do sort of a first principles

7:54

analysis on what the psychology of a

7:57

frothy market will do as opposed to just

8:00

retreating to, "Okay, well, there's this

8:03

the model progress is progressing like

8:05

this and and token pricing is is is you

8:08

know, counting the ooms." Stop sort of

8:10

working when it's like, "Well, will this

8:13

particular stock become a meme stock,

8:15

right?"

8:15

>> Pull up this picture. There was a lot of

8:17

this going on

8:19

this morning.

8:19

>> But the memes are flying. This is truly

8:21

like

8:21

>> This was This was my This was my

8:24

the the first meme that popped into my

8:26

head of people saying

8:28

Oh, I don't know why the guy's head's

8:29

cut off. Are you guys okay? [laughter]

8:31

>> This was you.

8:33

>> No, this was this was just a lot of

8:34

people on the timeline being like, "I

8:35

knew he would blow up."

8:36

>> [laughter]

8:37

>> Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

8:38

The armchair experts are out in full

8:41

force today and

8:42

in many ways we are among them.

8:44

>> So, I like to think about it like at

8:46

least some of the more high-profile LPs

8:48

>> Yeah.

8:49

>> that

8:49

in in situational awareness

8:51

>> a lot of them are like, you know, great

8:53

founders. You know, they you know, maybe

8:55

they have big big positions in in the

8:58

labs and all these different things and

9:00

it's quite possible that situational

9:02

awareness, at least when they invested,

9:04

was like 5% of their portfolio and

9:06

they're just thinking like

9:07

>> go giga long. Like go

9:10

>> Yeah, yeah.

9:10

>> of these people it might be like

9:12

>> one less than 1%, right? Whatever it is.

9:14

>> Have you ever

9:14

>> it's it's actually somewhat pragmatic

9:16

for them to just be like, "Yeah, go

9:18

crazy. Do whatever you want."

9:19

>> Yeah, that's the product.

9:20

>> That's the product. That's what I want

9:22

to buy. The rest of my portfolios fine.

9:25

You're going to have a a lot of AI

9:27

exposure whether you like it or not. But

9:29

yeah, it it's it it is actually crazy

9:33

that it didn't even take a three-month

9:36

drawdown, right?

9:37

>> Yeah.

9:37

>> Uh it was What was it? June June 1st,

9:41

they were at a 45 billion of AUM,

9:43

something like that was was the net.

9:44

>> end of June.

9:45

>> And end of June, so beginning of July.

9:48

And then how quickly how quickly things

9:51

can change and uh you know, poor poor

9:53

Leopold already went through this with

9:55

FTX.

9:56

I believe he uh he and the rest of the

9:59

the future FTX Future Fund team, I

10:02

believe resigned like right when

10:04

>> Oh, FTX collapsed. What's interesting is

10:06

people are people are uh framing this as

10:08

like they got pennies on the dollar or

10:10

or Ken Griffin bought the portfolio for

10:11

pennies on the dollar. And when I think

10:13

pennies on the dollar, I think like five

10:15

pennies per dollar, so like 5% recovery.

10:17

But it might be closer to like 50% of

10:20

book value. It might be 80% of book

10:22

value. I don't know. Uh there's news in

10:25

Ferrari world that the Ferrari EV, the

10:28

Luce, designed by Jony Ive, has already

10:32

hit the 2026 sales target. The haters

10:36

are in shambles. Everyone doubted that

10:39

this would sell, and the Italian car

10:41

maker reports strong demand from China

10:44

for electric model, derided for its

10:46

unconventional design.

10:48

Uh there's a whole bunch of interesting

10:50

tidbits in here uh in the Financial

10:52

Times article. Uh Ferrari has hit this

10:54

year's sales target for its first

10:55

electric vehicle on the back of strong

10:57

demand from China despite a polarizing

10:59

design that drew backlash from investors

11:01

and enthusiasts. Remember, even the

11:03

former CEO, former chief design officer,

11:06

former executive came out and said this

11:08

is not a Ferrari. There was a lot of uh

11:10

back and forth in the timeline. I could

11:12

have designed a better one with uh

11:14

ChatGPT. A lot of people threw out

11:15

different designs, uh but this one is

11:18

selling, at least according to the

11:19

Financial Times. The Italian group has

11:21

not disclosed the target for the Luce,

11:23

but two people with knowledge of the

11:24

matter said it had aimed to sell this

11:28

year just under 500 units of the EV. Not

11:31

a but their goal for by 2030 over the

11:35

next four years is to get to 2,500

11:38

units. So, 500 a year for four or five

11:41

years. That's where they want to get

11:42

here, and they say they're on track. And

11:44

so, this is priced at 550,000 euros,

11:48

650,000 USD, something like that.

11:51

One of the two people said the target

11:52

had been reached earlier in July, just

11:54

two months after its controversial

11:55

launch when critics on social media

11:57

derided its unconventional styling.

11:59

There's also an interesting line in here

12:01

that Ferrari says they gave strict

12:03

instructions to dealers not to force its

12:06

traditional petrol-loving collectors to

12:09

switch to electric cars. Said, "If you

12:11

want a Luce, we'll give you a Luce, but

12:12

we're not going to make you buy a Luce

12:14

in order to get in line for an SP3, SP4,

12:17

some special F80 thing that's more

12:19

limited. Just if you want it, it's here.

12:21

It's a choice." And a lot of people have

12:23

made [snorts] that choice according to

12:25

these insiders. What do you think? Give

12:27

me the pushback, and then we'll debate

12:28

it.

12:29

>> I was pausing because I wanted to start

12:31

with something nice.

12:33

Uh I think

12:35

So, the videos that I've seen of it on

12:37

the road,

12:38

it does look even more strange than in

12:41

the images. I'll say

12:42

>> Wait, what [laughter] is this photo?

12:43

>> That's not

12:44

What is that?

12:46

>> The team just

12:46

>> wrong

12:47

>> just accidentally put in some random

12:49

car.

12:50

>> Uh okay. So, so the car the car is

12:53

strange. I love the interior, but the

12:55

car overall is strange. It's still

12:57

unclear to me who it's really for, but

12:59

they are finding buyers. The idea that

13:01

that

13:03

buying the Luce like

13:05

Ferrari is saying, "We're not forcing

13:07

any dealer to push this car" or

13:10

whatever, but the idea that it's not

13:11

going to have some whether or not you

13:13

bought a Luce is going to have some

13:14

weight on your future allocations to me

13:17

is just insane. There's just no way that

13:19

that's true because every single dealer

13:21

is going to look at their client list,

13:23

they're going to look what cars have

13:25

they purchased. Like, we know multiple

13:28

Ferrari collectors that are buying two

13:30

separate cars that they don't even want

13:33

of the same style in order to gain

13:35

status within the dealership and show

13:37

that they're a proper proper collector

13:40

and and they're properly sort of

13:41

cherishing the brand.

13:42

>> Yeah.

13:43

>> And so, I'm not at all surprised that

13:44

they've sold 500-ish units. That's about

13:48

as many

13:48

>> Mhm.

13:49

>> uh as I would have expected for 2026. I

13:52

actually I guess if you asked me I maybe

13:54

would have thought they would have done

13:55

more. Like, to me this was a car that

13:57

was so different than the rest of their

13:58

cars. It serves a wildly different use

14:01

case. I would have expected their sales

14:03

targets to be quite a bit higher simply

14:05

because when it comes to their really

14:07

special cars, they make about 500 of

14:09

them.

14:09

>> Yep.

14:10

>> And so, I would have expected at least

14:12

500 sales guaranteed and then you would

14:15

hope there was a bunch of incremental

14:17

buyers, people that are like, "Yeah, I

14:18

actually don't want a Ferrari sports

14:20

car, but I do want a daily and why not

14:23

go for a Ferrari daily, right?" So, you

14:26

would have thought that there would have

14:27

been like

14:28

500 for the first year was like my very

14:31

base case

14:32

and I would have expected a bunch more

14:34

on top of that. So, I think they're

14:36

positioning this as a win. I think

14:38

people are going to love the car if you

14:40

ignore the price, but I don't think it's

14:42

the win that

14:43

>> The Pope

14:44

in the blue jacket looks good.

14:47

Okay, three points in response to yours

14:50

two. First point, the design's

14:52

absolutely growing on me. Like, watching

14:53

these videos here, it just looks way

14:56

better than when we first saw the the

14:58

first pictures and I don't know if it's

15:00

just distance and I'm becoming more

15:02

familiarized with it, but it looks a lot

15:05

better. Even the exterior. I've always

15:06

agreed on the interior. I think everyone

15:08

agrees on that, but the exterior is

15:09

looking better to me somehow. I don't

15:11

know if this is just like I'm getting

15:13

used to it.

15:14

Two,

15:16

yes, there are there are the 4D chess

15:19

Ferrari collectors who are saying, "I

15:21

know I'm not getting pressured, but I'm

15:23

buying one anyway because I think it'll

15:24

help me jump the line and I'm doing that

15:26

independently of any pressure that's

15:27

coming. Uh but there's also just

15:29

collectors that are like, this is going

15:31

to be a piece of Ferrari history

15:32

regardless of if they What if they never

15:35

make another EV again? What if the What

15:36

if the Purosangue is canceled next year

15:39

and Ferrari literally for 30 years never

15:41

makes an EV? This thing is it's

15:43

important historically. It's an

15:45

interesting thing to have in your

15:46

collection. And then there's also just

15:48

people that are like, I want I I'm a

15:51

true collector. I want every possible

15:53

Ferrari experience. Give me the SUV cuz

15:55

I want to see what that's like. Give me

15:56

the

15:56

uh the the mid-engine. Give me the front

15:58

engine. Give me the the the the

16:00

electric. Give me everything. Give me a

16:01

vintage. Give me a new one. Give me a

16:04

a road car. Give me a track car. Give me

16:06

I want I want a Ferrari F1 car. I want

16:09

all of the experiences because I just

16:11

want to experience everything Ferrari

16:13

cuz I'm that deep with the brand. And

16:14

then lastly, the question of, you know,

16:17

what was their goal? I don't see this as

16:20

their Urus. I don't see this as they

16:23

were trying to make a mass-market daily.

16:26

I think that they were trying to make a

16:27

very iconic, very iconoclastic, very uh

16:31

contrarian car that was bold and weird

16:35

and different and it happened to be

16:37

daily-able. And the fact that it is

16:39

daily-able is what is weird about it.

16:42

Like they're not known The brand is not

16:44

known for being able to be daily-ed and

16:47

yet they made one and that makes it

16:48

weirder. And and I don't think that they

16:51

were going after their This is something

16:53

that will be like a Lamborghini Urus,

16:56

which they can sell in mass volume and

16:58

completely change the profile of their

17:01

of their sales curve.

17:02

>> My view is that they I think those are

17:04

all great points. My view is that I

17:06

don't think they should have done a car

17:08

like this because I do think it hurts

17:09

the brand unless it was going to drive

17:11

so many sales that it could make the

17:14

rest of the cars that they make better,

17:16

right? Like what the Cayenne did for

17:18

Porsche, and what the Urus does for

17:19

Lamborghini.

17:20

>> I have one last post I want to go

17:21

through. Jordy, have you seen

17:24

Spider-Man: No Way Home?

17:25

>> Absolutely

17:27

no. Absolutely not. Should I?

17:29

>> I think I have.

17:30

>> into movies now. I saw The Odyssey, and

17:33

I appreciate film.

17:34

>> You're a film buff now. You're film

17:36

snob.

17:36

>> you whatever Yeah.

17:37

>> Honestly.

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Uh no. Uh there was a question on the

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timeline from Rob Felt rewatching He was

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rewatching Spider-Man: No Way Home to

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prep for Brand New Day, the new

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Spider-Man movie. In Spider-Man: No Way

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Home

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the movie, uh the prequel to Brand New

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Day, I think uh

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uh Homecoming is in in this in this

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series, right? There's a whole series of

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new the latest round of Spider-Man with

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Tom Holland, right? Is that it? Uh

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Daily Bugle web show scene pops up, and

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all I can think about now is a question.

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Is the TBPN aesthetic inspired by J.

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Jonah Jameson's web show? And if you

18:17

look at it, it does sort of look like

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our show. And so it's a good question.

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Did we see this film? Did Jordy, who is

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the brand architect of the TBPN

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aesthetic, watch Spider-Man: No Way Home

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and say, "Ah, I like that color. I like

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that design. Let's bring that into our

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studio." And the answer?

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No.

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>> No.

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>> No. Lots of other influences, but this

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was actually not one of them. I I

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believe I have seen this I like Yeah, we

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like the color green. I remember Jordy

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one morning uh we were working out, and

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he's like, "We should do green." And I'm

18:50

like, "Okay, yeah, that sounds good. I

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like green." And he's like, "No one's

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done green."

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And I'm like, "That's not true. Like

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Robin Hood is green. There's plenty."

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He's like, "No one in tech No one in

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tech has ever used green before."

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>> green.

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>> I'm like,

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"Uh it is a white space in the sense

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that like yeah, I couldn't think of

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another podcast with the green dark

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green background." Uh and we And we did

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find our own space. Uh We We We looked

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at Pinterest a lot for different

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references, some photos, some catalogs,

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Ralph Lauren.

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>> look at Pinterest.

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>> What What What What What What images

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were you pulling from? Cuz I know you

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had some references. I mean, obviously

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F1, but you just use your brain?

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Just your brain? You don't let much go

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in there, but [laughter]

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>> Certainly not movies.

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>> Certainly not movies.

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Sign up for our newsletter at tbpn.com

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and we will see you tomorrow. Goodbye.

Interactive Summary

The video discusses the rapid collapse of Leopold Auerbach's hedge fund, Situational Awareness, which was forced to unwind its public stock portfolio after heavy losses on AI infrastructure bets, with Ken Griffin's Citadel acquiring the assets. The hosts analyze the role of leverage in such swift market events, drawing parallels to FTX and SVB, and suggest the fund's downfall was more about market volatility, interest rates, and retail froth than being wrong on AI. The discussion then shifts to Ferrari's new electric vehicle, the Luce, which surprisingly hit its 2026 sales targets, largely due to strong demand from China despite its polarizing design. The hosts debate the true success of the Luce's sales. Finally, the segment concludes by addressing a viewer's question about whether the TBPN show's aesthetic was inspired by the Daily Bugle web show from Spider-Man: No Way Home, revealing their actual design inspirations.

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