afternoon and good evening. Welcome back

to another ClearML live stream.

Today, we're actually switching it up

last minute.

Bring this up on screen. Um I really

love that video I recorded on a whim

yesterday where we just walked through

some tips from the team. And I honestly

want to record another one

where we apply all of the hacks that

Matt Van Horn just created an article

for.

>> [music]

>> And then this is going to be tomorrow's

video. So, I think I'm going to record

this during the live stream, but before

we get started, I think we're going to

do a little bit of movie time

uh as well as switching the thumbnail

and title for this live stream. So,

I just came across this one though, so I

figured let's do a little movie time.

Do a little vibe check and uh also, I

should probably make sure we're live

here, huh?

As we are live. Good, good.

And let me change up the title and

thumbnail of this live stream.

And

while I'm doing that, we're just going

to do a little movie time. And then

we're going to get into applying all of

these to my new account I created. Um

I'm essentially going to have one

GrokBot system for ClearML, and then

another GrokBot system for demos and

just

experimentation, right? But

I want to piggyback off of Tuesday's

video. I think it's a great idea. I I

honestly love this format. So,

um we're going to roll with it.

But um

yeah, how's everybody's experience so

far with GrokBot?

And if you're not using GrokBot, what

are you using? I'm very curious what

what everyone's up to nowadays. All

right.

Bring back.

>> Sorry for the silence. Let's why didn't

that play?

There we go.

>> All right, we should do a little intro.

So first do you is it I've been saying

Zapier my whole life.

Is it Zapier or Zapier?

>> Hold on. Do I think codex limits are

decreased? I haven't noticed honestly.

So I don't think so.

>> Zapier makes you happier is the trick.

>> It rhymes with happier.

>> Happier. Wow. Dude, how is that not your

slogan? Here's your here's what your

slogan is on your site. The automation

layer for agentic AI. It doesn't really

flow the same way as Zapier

>> It doesn't. It doesn't.

>> It doesn't. We could so there's two

things from the name. We one we just

couldn't afford the second P when we

started. Like the [laughter] domain was

available. But the other like we were

too clever for our own good is

it has API in the name which we always

thought like oh that's neat. Cuz it's

all

>> I just now noticed that.

>> and all that [clears throat] good stuff.

>> even notice that.

>> Didn't notice that.

>> I honestly didn't even notice the P is

missing.

>> [laughter]

>> But it also if you put Zapier makes you

happier I would have read it as

>> Zapier makes you happier.

>> [laughter]

>> Just gone on with your day.

>> Pause it real quick. What's up Ori?

Also don't think so I've been using it

the same. Yeah, I've been using it the

same as always. I can honestly use it

more. You know, I don't I don't get

anywhere close to the the 100% weekly

usage on that one right now.

And it's powering you know, Hermes

listen

you guys know how I feel about Hermes. I

prefer open claw over Hermes. It's

powering my open claw, my Hermes, Buzz,

um

as well as miscellaneous tasks, and I do

not even get close to 100%. It's

wonderful. So,

uh I haven't noticed an issue. I think

once I start with the current just

usage that occurs on a daily and weekly

basis, if I start to get close to 100%

without any additional time spent, then

I'll start to notice, but I haven't

really noticed.

Yo, yo. What's up, Pokémon? Welcome.

You know, people just need to learn how

to use Codex properly.

>> [laughter]

>> We need a quote this. We need to make an

apparel line for Mr. Baker.

>> [laughter]

>> With Mr. Baker quotes. Good afternoon,

sir. How you doing today?

Yeah, we're doing a little bit of movie

time as I prep for today's recording. I

want to start doing this more often

where we record a video during the live

stream. Uh because I miss posting videos

on Tuesdays and Thursdays. I honestly, I

think we're going back to that. Um

I'm using with superpowers.

>> [laughter]

>> Are you Wait, what do you mean?

Is there a new mode called superpower?

What uh Also,

I think this it's important to note what

plan are you on.

I think a majority of us here are a

majori- Did I just butcher that? A

majority of us here are either on the

hundred or two da- $200 a month plan.

So,

if you're on the 20 or I don't know what

other option there is other than 20, uh

and you're seeing certain limits hit

very quickly. I mean, that's pretty

common at that level. Um I'm just very

curious. What what plan are you on? And

then, have you noticed like

a lot of the times if you just speak up

with some

proof, right? With some actual

constructive feedback on X and reply to

Teebo, for example, you'll get an answer

for the most part. Uh maybe not right

away, but

uh

past the surface level usage isn't the

same, right? Cuz I'm sure a lot of

people will post that, but there's so

many different variables. What plan are

you on? What model are you using? What

effort level are you using? Et cetera,

et cetera. Whereas, if you explain,

"Hey, I'm on this plan using these

levels. I'm noticing this week, it's

different than last week." Right? When

you give those details, you'll get an

answer from Tibo most more often than

not, I believe.

Yeah, I think we got spoiled with those

usage resets, to be honest.

Interesting. They could be

changing the way that $20 month plans

work. I don't know, to be honest. I wish

I had more insight for you. Um

One thing I would recommend is start

using Tera more often. Um

if you're not already, and don't use 5.6

soul on, you know,

First of all, Ultra isn't a thinking

level, but Ultra burns through tokens,

right? Fast mode burns through tokens.

Uh let me rephrase that, burns through

usage. Um

start off at lower medium, right? Uh I'm

not sure

you know those variables with your plan

and and how you're using it, but that

that matters. That matters quite a bit.

Nice, yeah. I

because I'm relying on it through so

many different systems, I don't want to

risk those systems to stop working, you

know? I've thought about this, but I'm

just not quite there yet.

Ah, okay. Okay, good to know.

>> But we're happier here.

>> Thank you. The short story is you're

this guy who's built this really cool

started off as a very simple idea where

you can make different apps connect with

each other. What does that really mean?

Let's say I have a business and people

submit a form over here on my forum

thing, but then I kind of need that form

thing I need all the people who

submitted the form I need that data to

go over here in this other unrelated

app. And you guys built those like

universal plugs and you can just plug in

anything to anything else and it was

just incredibly useful. Sam used it I

used it. We didn't realize or I didn't

realize how

>> Yeah, I I used it earlier

>> become. I believe you guys are worth I

don't know if they're still in business

or not. 5 billion

5 billion was a number that I had seen

at one point in time. And I think you

had bootstrapped a very long way. I

don't is it purely bootstrap or you at

some point took some money?

>> I think the word people call it now is

seed strapped. So we did go through YC

and we raised about a million in change,

but that's all the primary capital we've

ever taken.

>> Yeah, so just incredibly and so to raise

a million bucks and then get to 5

billion in value is just pretty pretty

wild. So super cool, but we're here not

to necessarily tell the whole story of

how Zapier makes you happier, but to

show us what you're doing with Zapier.

Can you give me a public sales pitch

real quick? I'm requesting a sales pitch

and what I want is I know how

OG V1 of Zapier is different from V2 and

another

You're saying hey we have this new AI

product that you use with Claude

presumably makes your

Claude or ChatGPT usage more powerful

whatever. I haven't been using that.

I also here's the other caveat I'm kind

of dumb. So like imagine talking to

somebody with half the IQ of yours.

>> He's like can you give me a pitch to

someone who's sort of dumb and doesn't

listen?

>> But they're they're smart at the same

time.

>> [laughter]

>> The confidence of a smart man.

>> I have really good news for you though

like I think AI is

this incredible gift to people who are

kind of dumb.

You can just talk to it and say like

hey

>> I didn't understand that answer explain

it to me like I'm five. And so you can

keep like going down the dumbness stack,

I guess, for like lack of a better word

until you understand it and then go,

"Okay, now like teach me back up to

where I need to go." So, okay.

The sales pitch. You want the sales

pitch. In the old world, you know

Zapier, you know, come in, build

integrations, connect apps.

The new world has a lot of the same

things, but it's different. Nowadays,

you're hanging in Claude, you're hanging

in, you know, Code X or Cursor or you

know, open Claude or what whatever it is

that you like using, right? And you're

just talking to it going back and forth.

Most

>> Again, I'm noticing a trend here. Not

many people are saying Hermes.

Open Claude's always that go-to, that

reference.

love it. Love it.

Love it. Luna's surprisingly impressive

at that price. I use Soul because I'm in

a security sensitive part of the build.

Yeah. Are you I mean, what level of

effort are you using with Soul?

Hey, thank you. Thank you. I enjoyed

making it, right? It was a fun idea that

I had. I was like, wait, let me just

turn this into a video. Let me just sign

up a Super Grok heavy because I was

planning on signing up regardless,

right?

Um

and let's just

demo these 10 tips. And now today's

video that I'm about to record live is

going to be the same thing, right? The

creator of Last 30 Day Skill

created this article of every Grok Bot

hack he knows, right? So, I'm going to

turn this into a video and we're going

to apply it to the build from yesterday,

right? Um but it's not going to post

today. We'll post it tomorrow.

>> As people start

>> Continue movie time so I can

continue the grok here.

>> It knows everything that the internet

knows. It doesn't know anything about

your business.

So, the next step that you need to go to

is to start connecting your tools. You

start connecting your CRM, your help

desk, your email, your team chat, all

this other stuff, and you feed that

context in to the AI. Now, when you

start asking it questions about My First

Million and all this other stuff, you

get not just generally smart answers,

you get hyper-specific answers around

how your business works, okay? So, if

you install Zapier into this, you can

hook up any of the tools that we have,

right?

So, that's that's the first thing, the

first bit of value, and the first thing

that people sort of experience is like,

"Oh, connecting stuff makes sense." But,

look, you can do native connectors and

all that other stuff. So, you know, use

Zapier, use a native connectors, do

whatever you want. The next layer, and

where this gets really powerful, is not

where you're sitting having this like

back-and-forth conversation, it's when

you're actually deploying automations

and agents to actually go operate for

you while you sleep. Like, that's where

you start to get the real magic. And the

reason you want to use Zapier to do that

versus like any of these generic agent

builders

>> What is an What's an example of

>> I mean, like, you know, Claude has

routines, or ChatGPT has scheduled

stuff. Like, you know, there's a bunch

of these things that can kind of kind of

do agents or pseudo agents these days.

But, the nice thing about Zapier is that

if you use us, we are going to make it

so that whatever you build is optimized

to run more deterministically than

agentically. And I don't think people

caught up on this yet, but you've

probably experienced it.

>> up the IQ scale. Be careful.

>> Hang tight. Hang tight. Agents Agents

they kind of just guess what to do,

right? And if they're smart enough, they

guess right most of the time. But,

sometimes the agents guess wrong.

And the second thing is agents are using

tokens, right? We probably heard token

maxing, right?

And so, they're really expensive.

But, if you use Zapier, we're going to

write code for you, and we're going to

write workflow logic for you, which

means that it's going to run like a

machine runs. And so, you're going to

get It's not going to burn tokens.

It's going to be reliable and accurate,

and it's only going to use AI exactly

where it needs to to to use AI.

>> Got you. you've got this

you can host it on zapier.com so you

don't have to sit here and like keep

your laptop open to run these agents in

the background. And so you just get this

like rock solid infrastructure that

Zapier has always been great at and

hookup of everything that we've always

done. But you can build you know, inside

Claude. Which is like really nice

because Claude just kind of

the natural language style of building

is I don't know, she's like way better

than the no-code style stuff that we

were doing in the past.

>> Well, you're not the Wolf of Wall

Street, but that was a pretty good sales

pitch. I gave you the sell me this pen

test and you you did a pretty good job

there. So I appreciate that. I feel like

I now actually understand it. So that

that was good.

>> Well, here's the magic. You can take if

you didn't and you're just pretending

and being nice, you can take the

transcript of this

>> So we just changed the title of the live

stream,

thumbnail of the live stream. Good

stuff.

Um save save save.

>> [clears throat]

>> Excuse me.

I honestly listen, [laughter] I I use

all across the board.

I have no issues.

Um

I did start playing with the remote

feature on the chat GPT app on my mobile

just to start playing with the voice

from my phone.

And while I think it's really cool,

I don't use codex enough in my

day-to-day to to to really make the best

of it. I think you know,

I have so much of my responsibilities

that lie with open claw predominantly

and now a touch and grock bot. Um

a little bit in Hermes, but Hermes I

don't I honestly don't rely on my Hermes

system and then Buzz is I don't rely on

it either. I use it as a collaboration

tool, right? So there's really no

automations there that I rely on. It's

more so of a I prompt, I use, I

collaborate with, right? Open claw

primarily is my automations. Now, Grok

Bot has earned a slot because it's just

so simple and it's always on, right? So,

for certain things that I just

I don't mind it taking over, sure, it

has its use cases. Am I going to move my

whole Open Claw system to Grok Bot? No.

No. I would have to

I would have to sign up for a lot of

different accounts to pull off the usage

that I'm pulling off of Open Claw, for

sure. Just based off of my first two

what?

Not even 2 weeks, few weeks of of 10

days if that of testing Grok Bot.

Um

Man, time is so skewed. Maybe it has

been 2 weeks. What was our first live

stream on Grok Bot? Let's go see.

Anyway.

I just use solo across the board. Um but

the the the mobile voice app is pretty

cool. I just don't rely on on the Codex

or Chat GPT app enough, right? I also

use it from the perspective of when I

need to build something, I build it.

When I need to do something, I prompt

it, right? I have I don't have any

automations within the Codex app that I

rely on. I haven't fed it all the

context that I've fed Open Claw. You see

my point? Um so,

yeah, it's an interesting app. It's

cool, it's fun.

I see the power in it,

but um

yeah.

X high and high. Yeah. So, that explains

why your usage is just going out the

window. Um

Yeah.

Yeah.

I would say start medium and switch to

high if you need to.

>> This price got or just reserve a 5-hour

block out of the day to just work out of

high to do those those those more

security conscious um

tasks.

Yeah.

So, I actually signed up the $300 a

month sub. Uh I was planning on doing it

either way, so I decided to just do it

rather than waiting. Um

So, yeah. I mean

considering the tasks I gave it

yesterday,

uh I had it download a copy of the the

transcript for every single YouTube

video and live stream that we've posted

this year. That's 8 months of two long

forms a week and three live streams a

week. I think we took a week off

somewhere in there. But nevertheless,

that's a lot of hours.

>> [laughter]

>> And it ended up burning through to do

all that work yesterday 7% of our weekly

allowance. But had I not given it that

task,

I highly doubt we would have crossed 3%

on the week for that setup, right? But

that was a big big ask of me uh during

that recording. So, I understand that 7%

might seem like a lot for the initial

setup, but everyone's initial setup is

going to look different than what I

demoed yesterday, right? So,

Yeah, for some medium.

Yeah, medium seems to be my sweet spot.

I generally use high most of the time,

but when it comes to my agents, they're

all on medium, right? When I'm

triggering the CLI, I'm using high for

the most part. I It's just my go-to.

Uh I don't mind the wait, right?

Man,

I don't know.

No, no, no, no, no. So,

uh I had a completely separate cursor

ultra sub.

So, two different accounts. It's not the

same account. So, I have this account

for GrokBot heavy, which I tied to the

ClearMud team email, uh which is now

this is going to be reserved for

ClearMud related ops. And then the other

account that I have, I'm going to keep

it for now, but that's what I'm going to

experiment on, right? Um so, I'm going

to continue demoing this one here just

because it's familiar with yesterday's

video I recorded. But, eventually I'm

going to stop showing this one off. Um

and we're going to uh

only demo the other account.

>> [clears throat]

>> Interesting. Now, this would be a fun

test to do. This would be a fun

comparison to do.

>> Wait, he said this weird thing. I think

>> Tell me what this guy was talking about.

>> Tell me what he was really saying. And

that's like the cool part of AI.

>> Uh that is cool.

>> You gave us a list of stuff. So, we said

>> All right.

>> Wait.

What do you What do you

>> Everybody just tuning in, we're just

doing a little bit of movie

You know, normally it's a movie Monday,

but we're just uh I'm just prepping for

this video I'm about to record on the

live stream. So, if you want to watch me

walk through

uh setting up these hacks from this

article for GrokBot, just stick around.

We're going to get started in about 10,

maybe 15 minutes.

>> Bacon. And it doesn't always have to be

like this like crazy [clears throat]

like game-changing stuff. But, what are

you making with AI? And you gave us a

list of like three or four things. You

said you have robot staff.

>> yeah.

>> Click baited up.

How a $5 billion founder is using AI to

change his life.

>> You Well, are you a five What are you

guys worth now?

>> Who knows?

>> You.

>> [laughter]

>> You I mean, you know.

>> I don't know how the markets behave

right now. They're like up and down all

sorts of ways. Like I think

>> your guess be?

>> I don't think about it, honestly. Like

I'm just like, how do we build stuff

that makes our customers successful?

>> didn't think you were a liar, I didn't

think you were a didn't you were a liar,

though.

>> Yeah, because I know you think about it.

>> under oath, you know that, right?

>> [laughter]

>> There's the old saying, right? Like, in

the short term, the markets are a voting

machine. In the long term, they're a

weighing machine.

>> I'd rather you just tell me f off than

give me these lies, cuz I know you think

[laughter] about it.

But, don't don't piss on my back and

tell me it's rain water.

>> I honestly don't.

>> What? [laughter]

What's up, Derek? How we doing?

Uh we're doing a little movie movie

Wednesday before um

we're about to start recording a video

live. And we're going to follow through

this uh list of hacks by Matt Van Horn.

And we're going to continue off of the

build from yesterday's video.

>> Tell me to tell me to

>> Which by the way, I want a little uh a

little vibe check.

Yesterday's video, I know it came out of

left field, and it's primarily because I

didn't post one on Sunday due to it be

becoming irrelevant. Um

and I didn't want to go that far between

posting videos. So, but if you're

if you like

Let me Let me rephrase this.

Early on in the channel's uh history, we

would only we would only post Tuesdays

and Thursdays, and I honestly miss that.

Did you like that yesterday, Derek? Does

everyone want to see more weekday videos

rather than weekend videos?

>> It's none of my

>> For weekday, put one in chat. For

weekend, put two. If you want to see one

of each, put one and a two.

>> Business that I'd accept it.

>> All right, it's none of your business,

right? Is that that that helps?

>> Since the last time you guys got value,

when did you Why Where did the 5 billion

number come from in the first place?

>> That was a secondary number sale that

happened in 2021, maybe?

>> Okay, our our revenues

slightly up, way up, down, way down

>> Revenues are up, yeah.

>> Okay, all right, good. So, we're doing

well. All right, the clickbait headline

holds. Okay, continue on. So, how How

you're actually using AI

as a as [clears throat] a

high-functioning CEO.

>> [snorts]

>> Okay. Let me share screen on some of

this stuff.

So, we'll get into the to the fun bits.

One of the cool things is, you know,

because I work with my agent all the

time, I can say, "Hey, I'm you know,

going on my first million. Like, help me

help me demo this stuff." And so,

this is this is what it came up with.

It's like, "Here's the stuff you should

actually go go demo."

And so, you can see I've got, you know,

four potential things we can show off.

One is the robot staff. This is kind of

like my chief of staff that does like a

whole bunch of different automations and

agents for me. I've got the CEO CEO CRM

that I built that

helps me

stay really close with our enterprise

customers. Um I've got a like an AI that

argues back. I think this is a really

important thing that

every like leader needs to to build. I

think there's a lot of CEOs out there, a

lot of leaders out there that are

talking to an AI that just agrees with

them all the time.

And so, you need to

>> Yep.

>> There's a few ticks and tips and tricks

you can do to like force it to like

scrutinize your thinking rather than

just tell you, "Yeah, you're you're

totally right." all the time.

And then I've got a bunch of skills that

I run for a whole bunch of random tasks

internally. So, yeah, I I would probably

start with the robot staff. I think this

is like cool to to dig into.

The first thing and we'll we'll I'll

show the complete version of this.

Where I think most people start is kind

of the morning

>> pause this real quick. So, somebody

recorded and posted on some random rogue

account the Grok Bot workshops video

apparently.

>> Lauren Tan. I guess not many people

>> sure if you can get this.

>> Imagine.

My

>> I mean, this seems super surface level

here.

>> an agent by like your like a your own

set of skills catcher that we built for

Grok Bot um the CI looks pretty built

built um a 10,000 person engine

>> I mean, it doesn't really stand off

or stand out, so I'm just going to close

that.

>> it's super simple.

It's a good

>> [clears throat]

>> Hey, good to know. Good to know.

Um yeah, I honestly just miss going hard

Tuesday, Wednesday, and Thursday. Like

having that be such an insane 3-day

period where

I'm recording, I'm editing, I'm posting.

Um

and I honestly kind of miss it, so

I think we're going to kind of

play with new formats. Uh I think I did

tease that live streams are probably

going to come down to 2 days a week uh

just with this new client coming on

board very soon. I have to shift my time

a little bit, so we're going to have two

contracts in place

uh plus the channel, right? So, it's a

lot of work.

Um but I like the idea of going back to

Tuesday and Thursday long forms and

possibly even sneak in a Saturday long

form, a little bonus, you know,

depending on how the week is, what I'm

up to that week, right? If I have that

extra time.

Um

yeah.

Just got to You know what? I got to add

a Mr. Baker into my Grok Bot team, don't

I?

>> [laughter]

>> Good.

It's a good way to

be your first agent.

>> Hey, good to hear. Good to hear.

Good to know, Anthony. Thank you. Thank

you for your input.

>> Like notes you've got, any

prioritization, like a to-do list that

you have.

>> Yeah, so

Here's a Here's a big thing, right? When

you ask it to be contrarian, sometimes

it's contrarian for the sake of being

contrarian because it's being told to

argue back when it doesn't need to,

right? So, finding that middle ground um

I think is very important.

And if you come up with a solution for

that, Derek, you let me know.

I'm I'm guessing it would live on Soul

Claw, right?

Everyone should have an agent that

fights back and tells them they are

wrong. Yeah.

I agree. I don't get me wrong. I agree.

I agree. And I'm going I'm going honest,

Elon on my other system, he's actually

that way. He's very blunt. I ask him for

advice, he doesn't always agree. It's

like hit or miss and it's all based off

of Elon's personality and operating

rules, right? How he operates SpaceX,

Tesla, etc., etc. Um

that was fun fine-tuning the other one,

which

yeah, I'm on the fence. I honestly hate

having two separate systems because now

I'm going to have to migrate

responsibilities, but nevertheless

>> And you know, in this case it runs 6:00

a.m. in the morning and then it sends me

a Slack message.

>> Yeah, I call I call this waking up like

the president. Like the president wakes

up, gets gets a daily brief. Here's what

Sir, here's what you have on your your

plate today. 9:30 you're talking to this

person, 10:00 a.m. this person's here,

here's what they want to talk about,

that sort of thing. And so

>> Totally.

>> waking up like every Now everybody gets

to wake up with a presidential briefing.

>> Exactly. And so, you know, these things

run like in my case I have it send me a

Slack message. You could have it send

you an email. I mean, heck, you could

probably have it fax you something if

you really want to feel like the

president. [laughter]

>> I have it set up so it prints, but it

doesn't it doesn't do it all the time.

And I also have this woman named Ari

conveniently because I told

I I wanted to make it come from

like a a person and the person they made

>> Ari, is that weird for you that Sam

named his agent after you?

>> The [laughter] person they selected

looked at looked like Ari. So, I was

like

it's Ari. So, I have Ari that sends me

like a pump up speech as well for day.

So, I love these daily briefs.

>> Now, so the cool thing, I'll actually

show you. So, I I have the link out to

this one. This is you know, this is

running on Zapier. And you can see what

this actually looks like. You know, it

kind of looks like, you know, classic

Zapier a little bit. You know, it runs

every day at 6:00 a.m. It goes and

fetches all the calendar events.

And then here it's um writing some

specific code and hitting the

>> All right, he's just shilling Zapier at

this point. Okay, let's get ready for

this recording.

>> [clears throat]

>> Bring that down. Nice little left menu

bar. Get rid of my video.

I think that's a good point right there.

Mic check. 1 2. How now brown cow?

Forgive everyone just just watching.

We're trying something new here. We're

going to be recording

live a long form that will be posted

tomorrow.

All right, we're going to start off with

the screen share today and then I'll

record the intro at the very very end.

All right, so to piggyback off of Also,

before I get started um

>> [clears throat]

>> I'm not going to be looking at comments

because that's just going to interrupt

the recording of the video. So, I'll get

these last few in.

Do you argue back when he says you were

wrong and tell him no he is wrong for

assuming you are wrong and he shouldn't

assume.

>> [laughter]

>> That's a tongue twister for me. All

right.

>> [clears throat]

>> Let's expand all these.

Can I zoom out? How's that look on

screen? I feel like

bigger text is better for you guys,

right?

Maybe right there.

This a little bit smaller.

Yeah, looks good.

All right, so to piggyback off of

yesterday's video

>> [clears throat]

>> Oh, I didn't even start recording. Woo.

All right, so as you can see here on the

screen, we have our

GrokBot system we set up 2 days ago, and

we have this new article by the creator

of the last 30 days skill, Mr. Matt Van

Horn. And I thought

I fell in love with the first video that

we did where we just followed a set of

tips. So, why not continue

that theme here. Uh we're going to walk

through this article. We're going to

apply all of his hacks to our demo

account here,

and

we're going to see A, are they worth it?

And B, how easy and seamless is it to

apply these hacks? So,

let's kind of scroll down. I'm not going

to read this word for word. Let's get

straight into the hacks. So, the Yolo

TLDR hack, paste this entire article

into your bot and tell it to make a plan

to set everything up in it, and then

work the plan one hack at a time. Um

>> [laughter]

>> I don't know if I trust it that much, so

we're going to go one by one here.

Um

That way there's a little bit more back

and forth in this video. But, first

step, or first hack rather, is install

compound engineering and make it a plan

first, or make it plan first. Rule

number one in June, rule number one now.

Agents perform better when they write a

plan. That's facts, right?

Not sometimes, every time. A bot with a

plan finishes the job. A bot without one

cuts corners and stops early, then tells

you it's done. Ooh.

Definitely, definitely. Okay. So,

scrolling down.

So, the first thing I did in my GrokBot

install was install compound engineering

into it.

So, we're just going to paste this in

here.

All right, quick heads-up. We are

recording a YouTube video right now, so

we're going to be starting with applying

some hacks into our system.

And let's read through this really

quickly.

Make this a little bit larger here.

Oh, that actually doesn't matter for the

article. Okay, scratch that.

Cut that out.

And we're going to paste that in there.

And then while that's installing, let's

go review over the next hack. Give your

bot an inbox. Great agent mail. I

haven't done this yet because I just

YOLO'd my Google Workspace account into

Grokbot.

>> [laughter]

>> So,

uh he didn't need his own email. But,

you know what? For the sake of following

this list, let's also

uh set this up as well.

Did he give us a copy-paste a prompt?

No, he didn't.

Okay.

Now, while you're working on that, let's

also set up

each bot.

Well, let's first set you up with your

own email address, Elon.

Uh let's use agent mail.

That's

And we're going to authorize here.

And

Let's make sure I sign in. I believe I

did reserve some names for agent mail.

We're going to allow.

It's as simple as that.

Yeah, this is very interesting. Um

All right. So, while those two hacks are

being installed and set up, let's go to

the third hack.

And

Where is this? Set up a live outbound

voice calls with Twilio conversation

relay using the user's own Twil

Twilio account.

All right.

All right, we're just going to copy this

prompt.

Expect some humans to hang up. That's

funny.

>> [laughter]

>> I already tapped the

an LFG or registered overlay.

What is this though? CE

I'm curious as to what these tags are.

Oh, okay. That's CE compound

engineering. Got it. Got it. Got it. Got

it.

Yeah, don't forget about our engineering

team, right? The way we're using Claude

in the CLI so that we can invoke Fable

or Opus, as well as Codex, so we can

invoke GPT's 5.6 Soul, Terra, or Luna

for that matter. And then Grok.

All right, so this is just me adding a

little note to that first initial uh

hack there.

Once you have agent mail set up, please

email me Marcelo@clearmud.ai

from yourself, whatever your [snorts]

email box you give you assign yourself.

I'd be shocked if this is still

available.

Yeah, let's send from clearmud.

Oh, that's right. I reserved I don't

know what this goat inbound is, but

nevertheless, I remember reserving

uh certain names

a while back because I knew the more

popular it becomes, the less names are

available, right?

>> All right. I mean, look at this. Elon

clear mud at agent mail to me just now.

This is Elon chief of staff first mail

from this inbox. Great. Works. All

right.

Hey, that's pretty nifty. Okay.

Let's finish reading through

that step one.

What I actually use it for is dumber and

better. An email lands I forward it to

the bot. I say add this to my wife's

cat. Okay.

So more from a personal perspective done

from my phone in the elevator. No app,

no copy paste, no context. That's great.

The one that earns its keep at home is

kids digest. Every morning it emails my

wife and me a summary of what the kids

what's on the kids calendar that day.

She does not use Claude code. She does

not use Grok bot. She gets an email.

Which is a thing she already reads.

Yeah. Okay.

Interesting.

Cool.

Um awesome. I'm going to be playing with

that and testing it more and more and

more.

Um

Let's move along to giving Grok bot its

own phone number. Let's go ahead and

paste this in there.

Let me go up to the top. Now for the

third

hack.

And this is a note to self and post. I'm

realizing I probably should have stuck

with one at a time. Test it.

Cuz now I'm I'm installing, you know,

three at a time and it we skipped

testing number one.

So now you're going to have to edit this

video to incorporate this part of the

video

in that first bracket.

You've already done number two. You're

doing number three now. Okay.

>> [clears throat]

>> Super detailed. I love this.

Oh, you know what? I forgot to So, we

started this video on 13. Just a

heads-up. So, we're only 1% in three ti-

three tips in.

Something I should have showed off at

the beginning of the video, eh?

Now, let's go ahead and test our

compound engineering.

All right. Now, I'd like to test our new

compound engineering approach. Uh

let's go ahead and build something.

Let's build something for the brand.

Build something we need.

I can give you an idea, but I

I honestly want to see what you guys

come up with.

Look at that. Okay, run CE brainstorm.

See, I'm unfamiliar with all the

commands. So, let's go ahead and

open up that tab.

We should be able to get an idea of

Oh, interesting. Apparently, there's an

official plugin for Grok Bot. Cool.

Okay, here's the loop.

The core loop is six steps. Brainstorm

the requirements, plan the

implementation, work through the plan,

simplify what you wrote, review the

result, then compound the learning, and

repeat with better context.

So, brainstorm is an interactive Q&A to

think through a feature or problem and

to write a requirements only unified

plan before planning.

CE plan enrich feature ideas or

requirements only

plans into implementation ready plans.

CE work execute implementation.

Execute implementation ready plans

natively or through a qualified across

model author while retaining host

verification commits and shipping.

CE simplify code refine the freshly

written code for clarity and reuse

before review.

CE code review report only multi-agent

review against the plan before merging.

Local apply is explicit.

CE compound capture this learning into

docs/solutions

so the next loop starts smarter. Nice.

Hm, interesting.

So,

Okay.

>> [clears throat]

>> Yeah, I suppose this is one of the

obviously cut this voice out of the

final recording. This is one of the

boring parts about recording videos is

when I'm in a particular part of the

video,

sometimes there's some downtime, right?

And when you're watching this live, it's

not the most exciting thing. So, bear

with me here.

And honestly, I think we're just going

to continue down the list here. So,

let's go back to hack number three,

where we're giving

Elon a phone number and letting it make

a call.

So, for the most part, everything's set

up, but there's an action needed. Accept

the voice AI ML addendum in Twilio voice

settings, then fill workspace voice

relay.env

with live SID token from to grok key and

caller name.

Okay.

So, it did not open Twilio.

Did not open Twilio at all, huh?

I don't see Twilio open there.

Was it in here that I needed to do

something?

>> I want to be as hands-off as possible.

Just let me know where to log in, do the

rest.

And we're just going to

cut something out here for a second.

Apparently, I've never created an

account on Twilio. I could have sworn we

did this on Open Cloud, but you know,

now that I think about it, I had muddy

do it on his own email address. So,

when it comes to using my Google

workspace address,

shows I don't have an account.

Interesting.

All right, so I've logged in. You're

good to go.

So, I've logged in. You're good to go.

Finish the work.

I want to be as hands-off as possible,

right? So, I'm letting him do the work

and

just going to minimize there. Let's go

check in on the uh compound engineering

workflow here. Ship locally.

I don't see anything for me to preview

yet. So, we're going to wait.

Just a heads-up, whatever you ship

locally, make sure you um

set up a preview on your remote

computer.

And just let me know which bots screen

to access to view it and play with it.

>> Wow, I just just so little side quest

mud

at agentmail.two was still an available

mailbox. That is shocking to me.

>> [laughter]

>> Wow.

Okay, open on Elon's screen.

Oh, you know what? I shouldn't uh

Uh let's go to Grok's screen because uh

8790.

I mean, let's see if it works.

Uh let's do loop back, I.

8790

does not load. Let's try local host.

DNA gate paste an X draft passer block

against DNA nothing posts.

Interesting. Okay.

Okay.

>> [laughter]

>> Super basic, but it's based off of the

system.

Um hmm.

All right. Well, let's uh let's go to X

and see if we have any drafts here.

You know what? Let's actually copy this.

And this will

automatically detect.

Block, fail, commentary, no how, and no

failure.

No rewhite re rewhite re write. Wow. Uh

keep one how

drop the hook. Okay. Listen, this is

very basic,

but I love it. It's based off of what

we're doing.

Nice. Okay.

Cool. So, obviously, I need to fine-tune

the process of

how this works, but it works. Solid.

Great. Awesome.

Now, let's go check in on the Twilio.

I mean, he is thinking he is doing work

here.

So, we just have to patiently wait.

And while that's working, let's go to

the next tip.

Turn a bot in the last 30 days.

I actually love this idea. So, what

we're going to do is

All right. While you're working on that,

please do the following.

Wait.

Aha! So, big mistake copy-pasting

without reading. Look at what happened

here.

And I'm just going to trigger a big

stop.

I should have been more clear. Please

revert. You were supposed to create a

new bot

called last 30 days, not rename

yourself.

Let's see how easy this is to revert.

All right, as you can see here, we have

the last 30 days bot.

Let's call it Grok bot

tips

for SMB.

Now, let's go back to Elon.

We're waiting on the Twilio.

Status on Twilio.

>> Now normally I wouldn't check in, but

because we had this little hiccup

>> [laughter]

>> where

he renamed himself, I was kind of

concerned. So, let's just uh make sure

that that work is continuing.

And then let's move over here to his

fifth hack.

One front door and it delegates. Yeah,

that's what we have here. I demoed this

on Tuesday's video, so please check the

link in the bio below if you want to

watch that first video. Uh we set up

GrokBot completely from scratch uh and

we really talk about the importance of

having kind of one front door so to

speak. But, you also have the option to

chat with that front door and each

individual cheat team in these group

channels as well, which is a fun little

hack um to having multiple sessions

going with your your front door.

Yeah.

Oh, console logged in as Marcelo on a

new Clear Mud trial account.

Good, good, good. I mean, you have no

credit card of mine, so there's no way

you could have paid. I'm guessing we're

just on a free trial, which is great.

Awesome, so it's going to continue doing

that work.

Yes, include X.

So, let's move on to his

hire a bot advisor to build your other

bots. Interesting.

Let's read this before we blindly um

paste it in there.

>> [laughter]

>> Set up a new bot for me whose only job

is to create and manage other bots.

Configure it when I describe something I

want automated. It interviews me, drafts

the new bot's instructions, schedule

connections, and creates it when an

existing bot is noisy

or missing the mark, it tightens the

instructions, and it keeps a roster of

what I run

and what each bot is for. It never

deletes a bot without my say-so.

Ask me what bots I have

and what I am trying to get out of them

and have it design its first bot with me

then save it. Okay, great.

All right, so while you're working on

that, let's let's add this to our list,

please.

And let's go move over to his other

hack.

Permanent named roles and fire the ones

that do not work. Yeah, we talked about

this in Tuesday's video, right? It makes

the most sense to name their roles. So,

I'm not going to give them unique screen

names like I did in open claw, right?

I'm actually it's the purpose of this

bot is to use Claude. The purpose of

this bot is to use Codec. The purpose of

this bot is to use Grok, right?

The purpose of these X growth, we have a

studio, we have research, and then we

have copy. I can probably improve this

and say copywriter for X, uh

creative output for X, but nevertheless,

partnerships, right? This handles our

inbound partnerships through our Google

workspace account. Uh same with leads

and then our general inbox, right? And

look, based off of our last little hack

that we pasted in there from this

article, we have a staffing bot. Very

interesting. Let's go check the message

from Elon.

Marcelo just created you. Your job is

the bot roster interview draft

instructions, schedule connections,

create bots.

Looks like I didn't keep track of my

video. Shoot, this is going to be 4

minutes of no talking head video. That's

okay.

Um so, this is what happened when we

just pasted in

that sixth hack from Matt Van Horn's

article.

Got it. Roster is saved.

Okay, great.

All right, let's do a quick

um

analysis of all of our existing bots.

Would you rename anything based off of

their roles and responsibilities?

And then this thinking ahead is I'm

going to want to do some type of daily

pulse check

and eventually drafting a newsletter

with our Beehiiv account.

There's a lot more on my mind, but those

two are top of mind.

Let's go back to Elon. So Elon is still

working here.

Oh, interesting. Okay, so the eighth

hack is write the instructions in three

layers. The base layer is where you put

things you were tired of repeating. The

role layer is where you put the standard

of proof, which is part which is the

part that actually changes output

quality. A researcher bot would cite the

source URL for every claim in its role.

Great, great, great. Okay.

>> [clears throat]

>> So, I think for this

we're just going to prompt our new

staffing bot.

So, it looks like he is interviewing us

here for that new bot. What's already

cleaned the three rooms? Great. The ones

that failed the stranger test, Elon. A

stranger would not guess COS. I'd still

keep it. Every other bot already reports

to Elon.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

New bot, empty leftover, named it by the

app. I won't delete it.

Interesting. I don't see a new bot

anywhere here. So, I'm wondering where

it's seeing that.

Use letters later. Pulse should be a

bot, not a job piled onto Elon our last

30 days. Yep, I agree.

What should Pulse actually check each

weekday morning?

I think

I'll describe it.

So, I more so want Pulse to check

the industry as a whole. What news

what events happened overnight that we

may have missed.

Uh it it it Pulse's purpose is to allow

us to keep our finger on the pulse

without having to go and read and

consume content.

So, that could be X focused, YouTube

focused, a general consensus of what

people are talking about, uh finding

certain gaps that we can fill with

videos, right? If everyone's talking

about X and Y, maybe we can kind of mesh

the two with with with a touch of Z. And

I'm just kind of um giving examples with

alphabet letters, but I think you get

the idea.

Also,

I think that for every single one of our

bots, we should write instructions in

three layers.

And I'm going to then paste in that

prompt.

You should definitely update the chief

of staff, Elon,

um to to ensure that any new bots get

routed through you, uh that he has a

direct line to you when

continuing to remain our front door. If

I ever mention anything related to your

responsibilities, they get routed

through you.

Uh want to make sure that that works

properly as well.

All right, so this is just me kind of

vibing my way through it.

Let's go back to

101 unlock.

We're going to skip for now.

I don't really care about those two, but

I'm going to be honest, I've already set

these up on my other Grok Bot system.

Um

so we're just follow I've already set up

a last 30 days bot on my my other

system. So, I'm just doing this for the

sake of this video's demonstration.

>> [laughter]

>> Uh do I continue using this on this

system? I'm not sure. I'm not sure

because I already have it dialed in and

on my other system.

All right, let's continue down the list.

Silence is the hack. John Vickland

posted this version of this that made it

click for me. He snaps a photo of a tag

in a store, the bot pulls the brand and

SKU and size, saves a price cap, and

scans daily, and pings him

only on a real hit.

Interesting.

So,

post something you like and then have a

bot check for sales.

I could post about it in the next 6

hours.

That silence is the actual hack he is,

right? It's the thing that separates a

routine

you keep from a routine you mute for 4

days. Interesting.

Cadence the work

rather than the enthusiasm. A 15-minute

patrol

is for those people whose timing is the

product. Always on is always spending.

Yeah, true facts.

Um

trying to think of where I would apply

this into the system because I already

followed this.

I think if anything, we're just going to

feed this to Elon.

So, I think when scheduling a routine

system-wide, regardless of the bot,

we need to answer these five questions.

Right? So, let's keep the the theme of

keeping it one front door, right?

Also, I'm noticing um

an issue here.

What happened to that Twilio work?

Right? Am I just being that impatient to

where

Oh, no, I see him actually scrolling on

screen. He's still doing the work.

Interesting. Okay, he's just taking his

sweet time.

Come on, Elon.

Screenshot it and text it to your chief

of staff. Yeah. So, I'm not going to do

this real time, but this is like uh

this is something I we can do here on

the desktop, right? I can you know,

screenshot

grab that photo and then paste that

photo in here. I've been doing that

quite a bit. Uh it's a fun little little

hack. But also for those who are

fortunate enough to own an iOS device

and can use Grokbot as a mobile app, I

can't do it yet. I'm on Android. Um you

can also screenshot your screen on

mobile. Send it to your chief of staff,

right? Um great little hack for sure.

Never let your bot be logged out.

Every hack in this article dies the

moment your bot gets logged out of

something. That is the real failure.

And it is boring, which is why nobody

writes it. Agent Cookie fixes it. Okay,

so he's promoting one of his uh one of

his um repositories. So we're going to

copy link address.

It securely syncs your Chrome cookies

from your Mac

to your Grokbot in the cloud over

Tailscale. So the bot is logged in to

whatever you are logged into without you

pasting a password anywhere. Okay.

Listen,

I love this. Um

am I going to set this up?

Probably not yet

because I'm in the process of uh

upgrading this MacBook. I don't want to

have to set this up twice. But go check

out Listen, I'm a big fan of Matt Van

Horn. Um

his last 30-day skill, I use it pretty

much every day uh across different

systems. And I'm excited to start using

Agent Cookie as well. I just haven't

gotten to the point of where I want to

spend the time setting it up because I'm

in the process of uh migrating my daily

driver. So as soon as I have a new daily

driver, we're going to set that up.

Okay.

Ilona's working. Let's go down to pulse.

Allow.

Oh, I should have said allow all.

Weekday 8:00 a.m. Pacific scan.

No, let's make that 6:00 a.m., please.

And yeah, hey, listen. Slow and steady

wins the race. He's even though I've

been prompting them very impatiently to

do other hacks on this article, uh he's

still continuing the work from that hack

number two or three.

Um

Yeah, we've already done this on

Tuesday's video. Give it peekaboo and it

can drive your Mac.

Printing Oh, I skipped this one.

Printing press CLIs inside the bot.

Computer use will drive any website. Oh,

generate magic. Now hands Grokbot the

complicated services. Blah blah blah.

Okay, another one of Matt Van Horn's

kind of solutions here.

Printing press a library, eh?

I'm starting to see a theme here, Matt.

Uh I loved a lot of the tips that were

true tips, but now when the tips turn

into promoting your own um

repositories,

it gets to the point where it's like,

here's what I created for

>> [laughter]

>> Use my suite of tools for Grokbot. You

know, it kind of like draws that line of

uh are these truly hacks or are these

only hacks because you built them?

Uh no offense to you, Matt.

>> [laughter]

>> Oh man, okay.

Install Cloud Code on his computer. We

already did this on Tuesday's episode.

Every meeting one question away. I have

a bot called Granola Boy. We don't have

granola, so we're not going to set that

up.

Teach by recording, respect the

10-minute cap.

Recording a workflow instead of

describing it

is the feature people keep independently

rediscovering.

Yeah, so apparently keep it at a

10-minute cap when you're recording the

screen teaching at a workflow.

Okay, valid. Number 17, files are the

memory bus and your bots are not a

security boundary. The most

misunderstood thing about this product

and it explains a failure people keep

blaming on the model. Your bots do not

share conversations. They do share a

file system. Yeah, that's very

important, right? We talk about it where

you know, this screen is a part of the

same set of resources, the same VM, but

it's its own profile. So, if you log in

to X here or you log in to Gmail here

and you go into Codex, Codex will have

access to your X and Gmail account

because it is system-wide, right? Uh

those profiles share the same file

system, right?

All right, draft then approve. Then

point one bot is money at money.

Interesting. Every setup I trust has a

human gate at the same place, money or

send, and every person running one found

that boundary before they needed it

rather than after.

Then once the gate exists, point one bot

at something with a number attached.

Interesting. He asked the bot to pay for

its own monthly fee. It went through his

email hunting lost money. Emailed five

merchants that had never refunded his

returns and now it has made back more

than subscription

costs. Interesting. Interesting.

Okay.

Both are narrow and inbound. The

anti-pirating is one that gets accounts

banned. Do not tell a sales bot to pull

every contact in the state and message

all of them. A bot has no

human no embarrassment and will do

exactly that at a volume that reads as

spam to every system it touches. Yeah.

And here's a little copy pasta. I'll

make sure that we include a copy of this

link in the YouTube description below.

You do not have to invent any of this.

Interesting.

Let's open this up.

Oh, wow. This is a big list.

That's awesome.

So, it's going to do our test numbers

here. That's awesome.

Okay.

Yeah, and then a lot of these are

I think we're closing out the article

here. Yeah, listen. Thanks, Matt. Solid

article. Um

This is obviously very involved. I had

to set up some test numbers. This is a

virtual Google Voice number,

uh and then it's its own Twilio number.

So, um

Looks like we need a grok.

Um why is it calling it g r o q?

I'm a bit confused by that. Drop the key

into the

Can't you do that for me?

Oh, wow. Yeah, look at that.

Grok

Our usage just reset. Interesting.

Interesting.

Very interesting.

Real-time usage reset. Let's go uh Let's

go check bot, shall we?

Wow, look at that. That is awesome.

We've been blessed.

We've been blessed.

Let's repost that.

Awesome.

Yeah, listen. So, I wanted to continue

testing this Twilio approach, but I'm

going to make an executive decision here

to end the video here. Um it's a little

bit more involved, right? Uh I think if

I were to do that, I think that's super

vanity. I don't know how much I'd rely

on that to begin with, right? So,

I don't want to go down that path.

Let me actually log in really quickly.

Give me 1 second.

Log in. Log in.

Yeah, I feel like it's super vanity. So,

we're going to end it there. Um I hope

you found some value in today's video.

Now,

I'm not an AI expert. I'm building in

public and sharing what actually works.

If you'd like to see me make a

particular video around specific topic,

drop a comment below. Let me know who

you are, what you do, who your target

audiences, and what your question is,

and I will add a video to my queue

custom tailored just for you. Thank you

so much for tuning into today's video.

My name is Marcelo. This is Clear Mod,

and clarity matters.

>> [clears throat]

>> All right. Today, we piggyback off of

Tuesday's video where we walk through 10

Grockit Bot tips,

uh as well as a first-time Grockit Bot

setup. Uh we're going to use the same

exact account, the same exact

environment, but we're going to follow

some tips and tricks and aka hacks from

Matt Van Horn, which is the creator of

the last 30 days skill. So, without

further ado, let's build.

All right. That should be good enough.

End recording. End recording.

I I don't know how I feel feel about

that video, but I think it's uh I think

it's solid. I think it's solid.

Yeah.

Too many hoops to jump through, so you

know, to me that's vanity. I don't know

how often I'll use that, so I'm not

going to Yeah, we're good off that.

We're good off that.

Okay.

Yeah, he is. He is.

But shout out Derek for that finding

right there.

What's up, Kevin? How we doing today?

Yo, Muddy Lou. Are you still here?

I was recording a video during the live

stream, so I couldn't uh I wasn't

reading comments.

How are usage limits working out for

you? Usage limits are fine. I've

honestly I tried giving Hermes with bots

a chance.

It is not as seamless and easy to use.

Simple as that. Uh I don't know if it's

because my desktop app is local and my

Hermes server is remote. Um but I did

not have as much of an enjoyable

experience trying to set up bots in

Hermes Desktop as I did in Grok Bot app.

I did not at all. Um,

usage limits aren't really that much of

a concern to me. Um,

I have been testing things quite a bit

to where I I do burn through usage, but

it allows me to then gauge like what

it's capable of, how much I should how

much responsibilities I should feed it,

how many routines I should create, how

frequently, etc., etc. So, it's been a

fun experiment, Willie. Been a fun

experiment.

We do everything fast. Life here is

fast. Okay.

Uh, I'm not going to

walk through all the comments, um,

cuz I know I missed a lot.

Yeah, I feel it. I feel it.

I'm doing it for the sake of this

channel. So, if you want to see me do

something specific, Koi, if you want to

see me make a specific video for you,

test a specific use case, create a

specific team,

hit me up on Discord. Let me know what

you want to see and I'll add it to my

queue for you. That way you don't have

to

get get a third subscription. I know

it's not going to be the same as

hands-on, but maybe you have a specific

use case you want to throw at it. Maybe

I can test that for you, right?

Just let me know.

Yo, what's up, Ryan?

All right.

Now,

>> [sighs]

>> let's continue movie uh movie Wednesday,

shall we?

Where is it? There we go.

>> AI to like [clears throat] write the

Slack in a very particular way. Now,

what is different about this is we can I

have this other skill that I made which

I call my war council skill.

And so, this is like an even like more

specific version of this that I will

often invoke. So, I could say, "Hey, you

know, I'm thinking about hiring this

person. Here's all the like notes that

I've got on them from the interview

panel. Like, help me figure out if this

person's going to raise the bar or not."

And what it will do, the war council,

is this is a actually let let me poke

back. I think I have the war council

skill in here. Oh, yeah, here it is.

Okay.

It didn't actually pull the skill up.

So, this if you go to

Zapier's GitHub, you can get a copy of

the war council. But what this does is

it spins up sub-agents.

And these sub-agents take on personas.

There are seven sub-agents that get spun

up. So, seven personas. Some of them are

standing members. So, for example, I

have

the wartime COO is a standing member of

the war council. There's the ruthless

CFO is a standing member. There's a

contrarian board member that are a

standing members of the war council.

Then, I leave four personas to be

generated dynamically. So, based on the

prompt, it will decide

who else who else do I need to get

advice from.

>> That wartime COO, you created the

persona, you described its

characteristics, or you trained it on

like Travis Kalanick transcripts or

something? Like, what what did you

>> I did do that. In my case, I have it's a

gen it's a generic version, but you

could do whatever you want, right? If

you wanted to to have like Travis

>> What does generic version mean though?

You just said you be a wartime CEO.

>> the traits of I said this is the traits

of a wartime CEO. And it like I said I

actually what I did was said, "I want a

wartime CEO, you know, generate that

persona." And then I looked at what it

created and just made some like

>> Do you have like a

pretty chill, generally happy, positive

outlook like

>> [laughter]

>> like

>> This is this is you're seeing the like

the the the internal competitor inside

of me, right? Like, this is the like the

Kobe Bryant Mamba mentality like, you

know, like coming through. I like having

this like, you know, this sort of

thought partner that is a little bit bit

more like ruthless because that's not my

that's not my default mode, right? I

want to have that kind of checks and

balance there.

>> And as a CEO, you're not always going to

have people who are comfortable,

available, skilled in that way around

you, right? Like this is this is like

who you would want on your team when

when you want them to spin up Quick

stupid question. You said I use cursor

for my AI. I thought cursor is a coding

tool but you're it sounds like you're

using it to chat, make decisions. Am I

just wrong about what cursor is or

>> Yeah, I mean cursor, you can use cursor,

Claude code, codex. Like these are all

ostensibly coding agents. But they have

this like agent mode where you can just

talk to it. And the thing is it talks to

it but because it can write code, it can

do stuff for you. And so the way

the way I try and talk to people who are

not engineers and say hey, you should

try using this is don't think of it as a

tool for

you know, engineers to build stuff.

Think of it as like you're hiring cursor

or Claude code or codex to be the

engineer you delegate things to. Or it's

like you you probably have engineers

you've worked with. You like to tell

that engineer, go build this for me or

go build that for me. Like that's why I

use cursor is cuz it goes and build

stuff for me not because I'm using it to

actually go build a bunch of stuff. I

don't really write any code.

>> Wait, so you so your default when you

just need to like talk to an AI or chat

or ask a question, you go straight to

cursor, you don't do chat GPT or Claude

or anything?

>> I mean mostly, especially when I'm at my

desktop, I'm mostly talking to cursor.

Most of the time. It has like different

models that you can sort of toggle back

and forth on which I like.

So I can, you know, test a bunch of

different models and things like that.

>> Are you a typer or a talker?

>> I I'm I do a lot of voice to text these

days.

So I use this um

this app Monolog.

>> Why Monolog?

>> I don't know. I like it. Like I've tried

a few of these. I've tried like Whisper

Flow and Super Whisper and

Monolog um

I don't know. It just like it just gets

me.

Um

Like I I don't know like I don't know of

a better way to describe it. Quick side

note, I think this is going to be like

an interesting thing about software for

the future. Like when it is so cheap to

build software,

I think you're going to see more

software that has

like a personality to it. You know, you

think about like consumer goods. It's

like how many places can you buy jeans

from or how many places can you get, you

know, whatever from. There's like not

that many differences, but you choose

like you might choose one brand and I

might choose a different brand and it's

just because like I like it better. But

it functionally does the same thing. I

think there's going to be more software

that kind of

like feels that way.

>> Yeah, it's yeah, no, I mean I think

that's a good point. It's like

the Adidas and the Nike shoes do the

exact same thing, but like you know, or

like t-shirt brands. Like Do you

remember I was watching this Blink-182

documentary last night. Do you guys

remember Hurley? Sean, you remember

Hurley shirts?

They're They're everywhere. And I And I

was watching the show last night. I'm

like,

why did we love those shirts so much?

Isn't that crazy that we got obsessed

with it? It was just that stupid logo.

And why did that matter to us so much?

And that's I think that's a good point.

That's how we're going to think about

B2B, even B2B boring software.

>> Well, that's That's I think it's a

really fascinating point cuz it always

was differentiated on either features or

price. Right? Those were kind of the the

two main axes of competition.

And then design got layered in. And I

feel like there was like a wave where

better design, better UI UX became a

differentiator. And then And design, you

know, got a seat at the table. And then

But if you look at like other products,

non-software, it'll be either

kind of brand or like status. You know,

like luxury, it's signaling something

about you. That doesn't really exist in

software. And it sounds like what you're

saying is there's going to be a new axis

of competition, which is personality.

You know, who do I like the feel of when

I when I interact with it versus which

model has more parameters and you know,

a higher you know, benchmark score on

the evals is not going to be how people

are going to choose these things. Cuz

I'm already doing that. You're I think