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today. We're going to do some listener

emails and give us a chance to respond

to all of the feedback that you give us,

which we do love.

>> Absolutely. And actually, you know,

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noticed in our emails and you can always

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Uh I've been getting like news. Um Bob,

a longtime listener, Bob sends me

stories like um

about uh comparison that Road and Track

is doing the AMG GT 63 Pro versus the

Porsche uh 911 GT3, which makes sense

cuz I was saying those two are are uh

strong competitors. And on the new

Hennessy supercar with a gated six-speed

manual, I had kind of heard uh

murmurings about this, but I didn't know

the details until Bob sent it to me. So,

I want to encourage our listeners, if

you see a cool story that you haven't

heard us talking about or if you um have

a good idea uh about a possible news

lead, definitely send us an email

because it's super helpful and I

appreciate it. So, thank you, Bob.

>> Yes, I agree. We love the on the grand

organic reporting that we get from you

guys. That's like the best the best

stuff and it's where we get the real the

real deal info. So, keep it coming.

>> Yeah. So, um we'll go through some of

our uh uh viewer or listener emails and

comments. Um a reminder again, the email

address is hot pursuit bloomberg.net. Um

we are always excited and do read

everything that you send to us. uh even

if we don't respond immediately because

we're um trying to deal with other

issues. I've got, by the way, a fiveweek

old baby sitting here to my right, so

you might hear him cooing and uh

grabbing for his

>> occas. Um but I do love these uh viewer

emails. Plus, I want to talk about my

struggle to find the perfect family car.

Um I've been driving a lot of SUVs. I

haven't caved to the minivan. um

>> never

>> solution yet and I probably never will.

But uh I'm finding there's a lot of

interesting stuff going on. I've driven

the new GMC Acadia. I'm driving the old

Dodge Durango, but with the 392.

Um I have been looking around uh the

Lexus offerings like the GX 550 and um

obviously I still am partial to my

Nissan Armada. So uh we'll see. We'll

talk about that a little bit. And Pebble

Beach upcoming.

>> And Pebble Beach is coming up next week.

This is Monterey Car Week. On Monday, I

will have a piece going live online and

it will also be in the September issue

of the magazine. And the piece is really

about the transition that is happening

at the actual Pebble Beach Concore,

which happens on the Sunday at the end

of Car Week, where we have Sandre

Button, who has been the chairman of

Pebble Beach for 40 years. this she's

actually transitioning out and she will

be replaced in October by Vince Fenaldi

who is um a very successful lawyer and

uh owns a restoration shop in Monterey,

former Marine. Um and they they are both

wonderful people. They are both very

different people and I spent time with

each of them in Carmel for this piece.

Um, and I think it it it was really fun

and I think this piece really gets at

this sort of changing of the guard that

is happening and maybe even a

generational change too at Pebble Beach.

>> Let's let's kind of kick it off with

that, Hannah, because I think it's

really interesting that Vince is um

well, it's annoying that he's in his

early 50s and so successful because

>> what he was in the Marines, so he served

the country. Um he's a learned lawyer.

So he's a super smart uh um guy

>> and he's the type of lawyer that does

like um cases to protect from child

abuse to really go after uh child

abusers and especially educational

systems that were sort of a safe haven

for child abusers. So he

>> Okay. So again in in in service of our

of our nation and our great society.

Thank you so much for that. Plus he owns

a Lamborghini store. He lo he he owns a

restoration shop where they primarily

they primarily work on Lamborghinis and

Ferraris. He's got some serious

Porsches. Um I actually took a drive

with him in his 911 Carrera MFI. Uh and

and this he comes to it very uh

authentically because his father was a

mechanic uh straight from Italy with the

last name Fenaldi. you might have

imagined his father was truly a mechanic

who had a restoration shop and garage

and so he grew up around it and he also

did a lot of work on like rebuilding um

diesel and sort of heavy machinery as

well. So yeah, he's very accomplished.

>> Yeah, that is um pretty amazing. And

it'll be interesting to see what he does

with Pebble Beach, right? Because

until a few years ago or maybe the last

decade, um I've always thought of the

Concord as dealing with I mean pre-war

cars or like at the at the youngest like

' 60s Ferraris, right? And just the kind

of stuff that our parents would have

been into if our parents were car

people. um or or that you know like the

blue chips of the past and um this guy

seems like he's gonna bring a little bit

more of a kind of a radwood flare to the

thing

>> that is very very perceptive with you

and that is really the crux of the story

because yes Pebble Beach has made its

name on being a a showcase of the

world's most expensive and most

significant cars and typically those

have in pre-war and you know cars from

the 50s60s

some ' 70s but really the core is the

older cars. Um Sandre of course is

older. She uh I'm not going to say her

age, but she's, you know, uh she's been

doing it for a long time. And her

advantage really has been that she knows

and is friends with all of these people

who own these very significant older

cars. Um they're they tend to be, as you

know, wealthy people can be rather

discreet. And Sandre has really become

um very powerful in the way that she is

friends with them. She convinces them to

bring their cars and show their cars and

all of that is is as it has been. Vince

um yes, he is a newer generation. He's a

younger generation. When I spoke with

him, he definitely said, "We need to

shake it up a bit. This is it's a

getting a little bit fuddy duddy. It's a

little bit long in the tooth. we need to

bring some real life to it including you

know doing things like improving social

media improving the parking um improving

the merchandising at the show. So there

is sort of a tension between how much do

we celebrate and maintain the beautiful

prestige that made this show what it is

versus it does need to evolve and stay

up with the times or it will become

irrelevant. So there is, you're exactly

right, there is a push pull, Matt, that

will be very interesting to see how it

plays out.

>> So what can you tell us about you're

getting ready to go to Monteray, right?

You're going to

>> get in um your Lamborghini and fly up

there, but at a reasonable speed this

time.

>> Reasonable. Yeah. What can you I mean

you also happen to know a lot of stuff

that is uh still under embargo so you

can't tell our listeners everything that

you're going to cover but what kind of

preview can you share with us about the

highlights you're most excited about?

>> Well I can tell you that um you know we

have discussed with Singer Singer will

be bringing um some very interesting

unprecedented work that they've done.

Singer of course is the uh Porsche

re-imagined company out here in

California. In fact, next week we've got

an interview with Maz and Rob who run

Singer about the these new products. I

expect it they will make quite a big

splash and will be polarizing even. Um,

and then we'll also see uh new debuts

from Lamborghini, from Bugatti, um, from

Bentley. Um, and you know, basically

every major automaker will have

something to show on the new side. Um,

and mo many of those things will be at

the Quail, this this big show at the

Peninsula Hotel called the Quail. Um,

but honestly, I really love going to the

auctions. And something that maybe is

overlooked is that during car week,

there are five major auction houses

doing sales throughout the week of these

amazing cars. And you can go to the

auction for free. This is one of the

great things about car week. And yes,

there are some very expensive things

happening during car week, but there are

also plenty of free or inexpensive

things to do. and just going to the

auction previews and looking at all of

these amazing cars close up is one of my

favorite things to do. So, that's what

I'm actually looking forward to.

>> By the way, you cover this event and

have been for many, many years as a

journalist, but are there um

[clears throat] are there any organized,

you know, um gatherings that a normal

enthusiast can take part in? Like, would

you be able to bring one of your cars

there to show? Uh, is there like a, you

know, sort of an elevated cars and

coffee? Does Magnus ever rock up in one

of his creations um there, you know,

that's not necessarily like a GTO, but

is still a cool car?

>> He has in the past. And there and the

short answer to your thing is yes. For

instance, the Porsche works reunion

which happens every every year. It's on

the Friday. It actually happens during

the quail. This is a big Porsche show

where there are hundreds of Porsche cars

of all types, all varieties that yes, if

you you can enter your car in to this

show. It happens on a golf course uh in

Monterey. It's awesome. Um so that's

just like the first thing that comes to

mind. Yes, there are many ways you can

um bring your own cars. There are lots

of different rallies. Um there's a thing

called Cavalino. Uh oh, wait. Edit, edit

that out. Don't say Cavalino. Um,

>> dawn patrol.

>> Yeah, I do love a dawn patrol. Now, dawn

patrol is when um you

wake up very early at like 4:30 the day

of the Pebble Beach Concore. Anyone can

go down and watch the cars that are

going to be displayed later. Go down to

the Pebble Beach Golf Club in the early

morning fog and watch as they bring each

car onto the golf course. It's kind of

painful because it's so early and it's

always cold, but it is worth it.

>> I love it.

>> I recommend that. Yeah,

>> I love it. We used to have at my at Camp

Kowani in Weld, Maine, uh you could be

in the polar bear club, which meant you

had to wake up and go for a swim in um

in the lake at like 6:00 in the morning

and it was ice cold and if you did it

like 10 times and you got a white stripe

on your canoe paddle, which was

>> actually cool. Did you have um a any

sort of like uh bonfire

for you when you got out? And like

>> No, no, not not when you got out. Not

when you when you got out, you had to go

to the messaul and get your food and get

started on whatever you were doing for

the day, like rifle range or water

skiing or woodworking or whatever it

was. But um we had huge bonfires

uh at that camp every week. I had some

really interesting boys going to camp

with me, including uh Julio and Enrique

Glaciius

Junior.

>> Um

>> they went to your they went to

>> they went to my camp. My camp, my camp

in Maine was um was like kids from the

Columbus, Ohio area, some kids from New

Jersey, and then some kids

>> from Madrid, including

>> at the time Prince Phillip of the

Spanish royal family who is now the

king.

>> This is called Camp Kowani.

>> Camp Kowani. Great

>> boys camp. This is the main reason I'm

excited to have had a boy now. I just

had my third kid for listeners who don't

know. And my first boy, the the first

two I had were girls, and I'm I I love

them more than anything, but I've always

been so bummed that they can't go to my

camp. And now I finally have a little

legacy here [music] that I can send to

Camp Kuani, which is pretty cool.

Let's get to the um [music] uh to the to

the family car comparison I've been

doing because

>> I had a GMC Acadia last week um for the

week.

>> Is this a press car? This was a press

car, right?

>> A press car. Yes.

>> And I was kind of prepared to be

disappointed because I always want the

extreme of things. So, if I'm going to

have a GMC SUV, and I I love the brand,

as listeners know, and I love the Yukon

especially, I want the biggest one,

right? I mean, not necessarily the Yukon

XL, but the big body-onframe

truck with the big the biggest V8 motor

they make. They make two right now, the

53 and the 6.2 L V8. And I would always

when I'm configuring mine on the

internet, I always go for the 62. By the

way, I can't wait for that to be a 6.7

liter V8, which is going to happen, I

think, for the 2028 model year. But, um,

the Acadia only has a little four

cylinder motor. It's like a turbocharged

2.4 L 4 cylinder, and it's a unibody

vehicle. And I thought, you know, this

is going to be a bummer, and I probably

won't,

>> yeah,

>> drive it very much. But it is so room,

first of all, so roomy on the interior.

It has more room in it than my Mercedes

GLS, which is the biggest SUV Mercedes

makes.

>> Um, and it it looks genuinely cool. I

mean, it looks kind of rugged. Um, this

one was the Denali version, so it has

big wheels, and I just think that they

got the styling so right um that it kind

of looks like it would be

>> maybe a Bronco competitor, you know?

>> Yeah. What color is the one you had?

>> I got uh it was a dark silvery gray.

>> Okay.

>> Really nice paint job and really cool

interior because it's the Denali

version. I don't think I would pick that

version for myself because it had 22in

wheels which is like I feel like that's

already too much for a big SUV. So for

the midsize offering it's a little

crazy.

>> You think they're too big at 22?

>> I think they're too big. Like what I

want smaller wheels so I can have bigger

sidewall. So I'd rather have 18s and

then I could have more sidewall to

absorb the

>> uh impacts of the northeastern highway

system here. But

>> it looked it looks great, right? And

>> yes,

>> and I was um I was working it out now. I

have three car seats, right? One of them

is still rearfacing. The other one is

still ginormous. And then the baby's car

seat is my wife insists on not just the

car seat, but like a platform that has a

third leg. So, it takes up so much

space. And I was hooking it up so that

the two older girls could sit in the

third row and I could put Freddy in the

middle. And then one of the middle

seats, they're both captain's chairs in

the middle in the middle could be folded

out so that you can easily climb in and

out of the

>> of the vehicle, you know. And I just had

so much fun with this thing. And I

didn't go on any long trips. I wasn't,

you know, uh, going up to the Catskills

or out to Fire Island. I was just

tooling around Westchester. And for

that,

>> I have to say the the little forbanger,

the turbocharged forbanger

>> was more than enough.

>> And this the pricing on this is like

under 60,

>> right?

>> Yes. Yes. you can get it for well under

well under 60. Um, obviously if you get

the Denali version and like check all

the boxes, it's going to climb. But I

don't think frankly that you need that.

Um, and I started looking at this thing

and saying like to myself, why do I

always want the like $95,000

Yukon or the $100,000 Mercedes or BMW

equivalents. um when I could get a

midsize and it still has I guess because

of its unibody construction

>> so much space inside. And to be fair, I

didn't take it on a longer trip, so I I

probably would have thought it was

underpowered on the highway. But

honestly, this engine, I've had it in

the past in the Colorado and some other

GM vehicles. It really has a lot of pep.

Like, it really doesn't feel too weak.

>> So, here's my question to you. For

something like a big family SUV, which

ultimately what you need is the space

and the practicality,

why would you ever get something that is

a luxury brand for that type of thing?

Other than ego,

>> it could be styling, right? Although

none of them are very attractive. I

don't think that the X7 or the Q9 that

you just went and saw from Audi or the

GLS,

I don't find them very good-looking, but

I also don't find

>> I don't find the Escalade very

good-looking either, frankly. If if

you're if you're going based on looks

alone, I much prefer a Suburban or a

Yukon, honestly.

>> Yeah. Well, that that's also what I'm

getting at. Like, these honestly, in a

way, these are kind of workh horses.

>> Yes. Yes.

>> And you don't buy a workhorse for it to

be pretty anyway. So if if you're truly

just if you like I'm kind of realizing

and and your reality is so different

from mine when you talk about three

children's seeds. It's hilarious to me

to imagine that

>> it will smell like diapers. It's covered

in puke and there are Cheerios in every

crevice. There's I it would be very hard

to make a real argument for why you

would spend 30 grand more on something

that has a luxury badge at the end of

the day.

>> I mean, the the truth is when we when we

when we just bought our latest SUV, my

wife was still mourning the loss of her

G Wagon, which is too small for a

growing family. and she refused to go to

because the truth is the Tahoe, the

Yukon, the Escalade, they are ginormous.

I mean, they are absolutely massive,

especially for she's from Spain, so for

a European woman um to contemplate. And

by the way, by the way, she also loved

my Raptor. So, it's not like she's

averse to large American vehicles, but

for her daily, she just didn't want um

you know, one of the big American truck

based SUVs and she loved her previous

experience with Mercedes and the

Mercedes

>> natural. Yeah.

>> And the Mercedes had more interior

space, especially in the second row,

which at the time I thought was the most

important of of of its competitors. But

now I'm realizing that a lot of these

other uh you know offerings like the

Acadia actually even though they're not

bigger um in in the exterior dimensions

they're packaged better

>> um than at least at least the GLS. I I

still would rather have at the end of

the day a Yukon or a Suburban

>> frankly but I'm probably not going to

get that. Um, for some reason she liked

the Armada, so maybe that would be an

option, but this Acadia really really

impressed her as well. So,

>> I don't know. We I' I've switched it out

on Friday for a Dodge Durango, which,

>> you know, the build quality just isn't

there for me with the Durango, but at

least they have the coonus to put a 6.4

L V8 in it. And I don't understand why

GM and Ford can't do the same thing with

these with these vehicles. Imagine if

Ford made a Bronco that was a three row,

like a bigger Bronco that was a three

row and had a V8.

>> It would be

>> a noer.

>> The Bronco daddy. Do you ever tow

anything in the Would you ever tow any

like would you tow a motorcycle behind

any of these or

>> like do you care about towing capacity

at all?

>> I don't really because if I'm towing

anything, it is a motorcycle and I can

tow a motorcycle. I've towed a

motorcycle with my 911. So,

>> it's not an impossibility with with with

car. It's a little bit silly, obviously,

but um you can tow a motorcycle or two

with with any uh capable vehicle and

>> I don't think um I'm going to be able to

afford the boat life if I continue

producing children here. So,

>> like a money pit.

>> Yeah,

>> that is something I know nothing about.

I mean, I I've been looking at sailboats

lately because I want to get the kids

into it, but if I'm if I get a Hobie,

it's also not going to be difficult to

tow. They're not heavy. So, um

>> yeah, I I I don't towing isn't isn't

ever a concern for me. And the funny

thing is like I look at these unibody

vehicles and you know that I want I

prefer a truck a bodyonframe truck

because I think it's more rugged. And so

I was looking at the Lexus GX 550 and um

it is it is a body-on-frame truck. It's

based on the Tundra or like the global

Land Cruiser, not the you know the

little US excuse for a Land Cruiser like

the design.

>> I kind of like how it looks.

>> Yeah, it looks great.

>> It looks kind of cool.

>> That thing is truly underpowered and

very small, you know.

>> Oh, really? I haven't been inside one.

It's small inside. It's I mean even the

Lexus is probably too small for me so I

have to kind of rule that out. But

otherwise it seems like a pretty great

>> it looks so

>> on paper it looks fantastic.

This GX has a bigger more powerful motor

than the Land Cruiser has the V6 instead

of the four. Um

>> but it's also the one shown on the just

on the website is 853 and that's

>> they're expensive. You have a long wait

time to get one. If you if you find a

dealer who who will sell you one, it's

going to be months if not at one point

it was over a year waiting list.

>> Wow.

>> They hold their value. Look at them.

Look at them used and you'll see you can

buy one uh you know put 10,000 miles on

it and a year later sell it for the same

same money.

>> Interesting.

>> Yeah.

>> Wow. And here here's a photo of one

towing a boat which we've already

established you don't need to do. I

don't need to, but I want the

capability. Like I want to be able to do

a lot of things in my vehicles that I

don't necessarily do on a regular basis.

The typical sort of Starbucks dad when

it comes to that, but um the Lexus is a

truly capable vehicle.

>> The only problem with that I think in

you know, I'm not going to buy one, but

theoretically I would always be bummed

out that they didn't put a more exciting

motor in it. you know, I mean,

>> it's got a twin turbocharged V6. Even

the G Wagon, though, the base model has

moved to a six-cylinder. I think it's an

inline six for the Mercedes. Um, it's no

longer the turbocharged 4 L V8 that it

was until, I think, 2021. So, if I were

going to buy one of those again, I would

definitely buy one used and not new.

>> Does all of this talk mean that you are

truly considering swapping out the GLS?

>> Yes, absolutely. And it's it's a it it

um it's pretty much uh decided that

we're either going to trade it for my

wife wants to get back into a Volvo

XC90. As much as I tell her that um

clearly the Chinese are spying on her if

she buys one of those.

>> You know, someone on our pursuits team

had a terrible time at their dealership

with some of the connectivity in their

Volvo that they just got.

I think to Volvo buyers, none of that

matters.

To the Volvo buyer, like my wife, she

loves the way it looks. She loved, she

had a fantastic ownership experience

with hers. We leased a XC90 T8 for 2

years and she simply adored it. And she

is a diehard. And by the way, people

my my uh mother bought her first Volvo

in like 1984, a baby blue 240 GL, and

has since then never bought another car.

That's

>> wow.

>> Two years of I mean, she's bought many

other Volvos, but she's never bought

another brand is what I mean. So, she

buys Volvo after Volvo after Volvo. Went

from 240 to the 740. There was an 850 in

there at some point. Um, and then

>> a V70, XC70, now she's on the XC60, I

think. So, like,

>> uh, the the the loyalty, um, these

buyers, you can say what you want about

Gile ownership or about software

experience. The interior looks kind of

dated, but they always say, "No, that's

the Scandinavian style." And there's

nothing you can there's nothing that can

break them from that. So,

>> I mean that yeah,

>> I have a feeling that's where we'll end

up unless

>> unless I get my Armada uh in there or

unless

>> Mary Bar and Mark Royce uh and Jaclyn

McUade put a

>> stoning V8 in the Acadia. Like, imagine

if they put the new

>> Corvette motor in that.

>> That'd be a difference.

>> I The Acadia honestly is a is a very

good vehicle the way it's set up and

with with that engine.

Well, I can't wait to hear and see what

you decide. Did you get the Has it been

two years in the GLSish?

>> Yep. Yeah.

>> All right. So, on on to the next

>> on on to the next. Um, with that, I

think it's a good jumping off point to

get into some of our uh view viewer

listener emails because one of them um

from a guy called Franco is kind of on

this topic to some extent. He says, um,

>> well, he's very nice about how much he

loves our podcast.

>> Thank you.

>> He says, "I have two young kids, so the

car needs to handle daily family duties,

but I still want something that makes my

commute enjoyable. I've always loved

performance cars, and I'm seriously

considering joining the Fast Wagon

Club." Um, and and so he lists his

contenders, which are pretty much the

only things you can buy there. The Audi

RS6 Avant, which we both

>> uh love. I mean,

>> yes,

>> I think it's the clear king of that uh

space. And then the B BMW M5 Touring,

which we both have just driven

>> as well. And it's a little actually

bigger. I'm not sure. It looks bigger,

but

>> uh then I was trying to think of

>> what other options you have in that

space. And there really isn't much. I

mean, Mercedes used to make the E63

as a wagon here. um

>> the AMG E63 and that had the killer V8

that we had in our G Wagon and that is

basically the basis for what the AMG

GT63 has, but they now only have the E53

which I think has the inline 6

>> and then Porsche had the amazing

Panamera wagon or you know if you're

into the Panamera the wagon I think it

was the choice but now they're not going

to sell that. So, the only competitors

you can buy new to the Audi RS6 is the

BMW M5. Those are the only two in the

class really,

>> right? I mean, I guess we don't we can

talk about a Subaru Outback type thing

or we could talk about

>> Well, it's a performance car.

>> Well, I'm just I'm just saying or I

think Volvo still makes that um cross

country like a V60 cross country

type of thing. I'm just saying those for

the record. There are options, but yes,

Franco, we hear you. Like you you've

loved performance cars and you want to

join the Fast Wagon Club. It seems like

really where we're leaning is that Audi.

I mean, that is sort of like the

undisputed

>> I would say. I can't think of anything I

would choose over it if you're buying a

new car. Now that said, I don't think he

should dismiss looking at older Panamera

wagons. You know, I think 21, 22, 23.

And the same is true with um older AMG

E63 wagons.

>> Now, people like Doug Demiro swears by

those things. And

>> um

>> I know you still find low mileage

versions and probably save yourself a

little money in the uh in the process.

>> Totally agree. And I'm looking at his

priorities here. He says, "Genuine

family cargo space, engaging and fun to

drive, strong winter capability because

he's in Canada, and good ride quality

and durability."

Um, yeah. I mean, Franco, you already

know. I You already know. You don't need

us.

>> The answer.

>> Um, yeah. But it's really fun to think

about cuz we always, this is sort of

like along with the stick shift

conversation that we always have. We

know what we would like to buy. I would

love it if there were no more minivans

ever and instead you were forced to buy

a wagon. I don't understand why we can't

federalize this. You know, like come on.

It's for the good of everybody, right?

>> I'm I'm I'm a huge proponent of wagon

over

SUV, you know, and especially I love the

the Audi wagons. I recently um went down

the rabbit hole looking at the the V10

uh S6s that they made back in the day.

Um

>> Wow.

>> I think they phased those out in 2020 or

2021 and you couldn't get in the US like

the best versions so you would have to

import them. But um they were very

temperamental and I think cost of

ownership would be a little bit silly.

So

>> yeah,

>> I think I think the RS6 because I've

gone through this um I've gone through

this exercise countless times on my

>> laptop and to me the RS6 ends up the

winner every time. I mean it's pricey

and they don't depreciate a lot yet. Um,

so even if you're looking at one from

like 2020 2021, they're still going to

be like $95,000.

Um, and probably not cheap to maintain

either, but they're just such amazing

vehicles.

>> Yeah, everyone I know who has one loves

them and is very smug about it in the

best way. Like they got they got the

good thing and they love it and Yeah.

So,

>> I had one for a week as a test car and I

got pulled over three times.

>> And two two of those three times the

police officer basically just wanted to

car.

>> I remember that. I remember that.

>> You're going way too fast.

>> Cut through a gas station. You cut.

>> That was the time when the officer

wasn't wasn't happy. I cut through a

parking lot to avoid

>> He was He was alleging that I was simply

trying to avoid a red light. No, you

changed your mind halfway through.

>> Exactly.

>> Obviously,

>> there was a bagel shop in the parking

lot and I thought, should we get a

bagel? And then my wife said, and so we

cruised in and cruised out.

>> Happened to avoid a red light in the

process.

>> Happens to all of us. Did you see this

email from Thomas Matt um who from the

Buffalo area? cuz he's also he was also

uh looking for a midsize SUV.

But the the caveat here is it needs to

fit inside his 1969 era garage, which

half the ones that you've named prior to

this I don't even think would fit in

that garage. Right.

>> Yeah, it's it's tough. I mean, um,

>> the Porsche might he Thomas uh Porsche

Cayenne GTS that might

>> Okay, so we we've gotten a few messages

from Thomas's or Tom's.

>> Yes.

>> Um, is this the one who said he might

consider the Lamborghini uh Urus?

>> Okay. Yes.

>> And he has an Irish Wolf Hound, which

personally

>> so cool. I've actually been looking like

my Instagram algorithm has been showing

me wolf hounds and deer hounds lately.

>> Really? Is that because you're like

obsessed with pocket knives and somehow

they go together?

>> I I don't know. I just love those dogs

and I guess when you like a few of those

videos or spend the time to watch them,

they just keep sending them to you and

I'm that's what I'm there for.

[clears throat] So, uh

>> let me know when you get one of those.

>> A a smaller SUV. I think yeah the

Cayenne to me we've had this discussion

before because we've talked to Thomas or

about Thomas situation in the past to me

the Cayenne is just um the benchmark in

that category. So

>> for that price

>> because I I will never not say that the

Urus is the best of all but yes

>> but is the Earth not just a dolled up

Cayenne?

>> No, it's way more powerful. It's way

more tuned. It's kind of the same.

>> It's way cooler. It's way more

interesting.

>> I might rather have an Audi Q8. Like I

love the Audi Q8 so much and I have

since it came out. I've been obsessed

with that shape since I first saw it.

>> There is no shape there

>> and they're still kind of they're still

kind of rare. Like for some reason the

Urus at least in in this uh the New York

Woods has become ubiquitous. Like it is

everywhere. And the Cayenne already is

like the Volkswagen bug of SUVs. So

>> I know

>> um I feel like

>> obviously an X5 is not bucking the

trend, but a Q8 is something that you

don't see as often. And by the way, they

all have the Cayenne, the Urus, the Q8,

they all have the same basic motor that

they all have the 4 liter V8, right? So

>> yeah, I guess

>> that would be my choice. uh of the

bunch. I think I guess I guess the

Cayenne though it's like you know you

can't go wrong. It's going to probably

have fewer failures, lower bills in

terms of you have less time in the shop.

Um it's just that everybody on your

block has one already.

>> And here's here's another thing that I

think about a lot. Don't you think that

every car you have should make you

smile?

>> Yes.

>> Okay. And that applies even to work

vehicles like an SUV. Like you could

say, well, it's just an SUV. It doesn't

need to like bring me joy. It's just a

thing. But I think you could find an SUV

that does make you smile and bring you

joy. You don't have to settle for just

okay.

>> I don't think a a Cayenne is settling

for just okay. The interior,

>> I think Audi might executed.

>> No, the Audi. I absolutely love the

interior of the Audi, too. And the

sound. Did you get the SQ8? Wow, that's

a that's a really wellexecuted vehicle.

I would just be afraid of the bills. Um,

I wonder if he would consider the Lexus

GX 550 because the shape is going to

make you smile.

>> Yes, there's an idea.

>> And that's a cool truck.

>> Yeah, there's an idea. Did you see this

email from Gavin who's 16?

>> Um, I did. In fact, if you recall, I'm

pretty sure I was talking with um

uh with the we are curated

um guy

>> John Tamaran

>> Tamaran about Gavin because

>> so Tamaran also kind of I mean

>> he started out in a similar business

like detailing and his rental business

and doing that kind of thing as this kid

uh Gavin did. Now Gavin wants to start

eventually his own supercar company,

right?

>> I support it.

>> And he wants to bring it back to analog,

which reminds me of um the email from

Bob that we were talking about at the

top of the show. It

>> we're actually starting to see that

happen more and more. The Hennessy

Blackbird

um has come out as John Hennessy's

latest supercar. And rather than being

like some 1000 plus horsepower like 0 to

60 in 2 seconds or less. Um top speed of

220 like he's made it uh the the

Hennessy Blackbird has the 6.2 L V8.

It's obviously the Chevy small block but

it's been reworked by like an indie car

mechanic to make 850 horsepower

naturally aspirated. And he's put in a

gated shifter.

>> Um

>> so he Hennessy Hennessy knows what a

little bit analog back. Yeah. And Gavin

is and Gavin is thinking along the same

lines. And if I'm not mistaken, um this

Gavin kid is in the same area. Uh I

think he's in the south. Yeah. Southern

Utah, he says. So

>> he's not next door to John Hennessy, but

he's he's close enough.

>> Maybe energetically they're next door.

>> Maybe those two guys should get we

should connect Gavin and John Hennessy

and um

>> internship. Well, that that's the kind

of mentorship that a 16-year-old kid in

the detailing business needs. Like John

Tamary, John Hennessy, talk to a couple

of these guys and maybe you end up with

a supercar company. Maybe you end up

with your dreams fulfilled

>> right now. Back to this Hennessy

Blackbird for a second. I love I love

how Bob signed his name, Chronically

Yours. I'm gonna start using that.

That's great. Um, but Matt, is this

truly your dream car number two? as Bob

is asking or suggesting. Is this a dream

car for you or No,

>> I don't know enough about it. I only

know, you know what, I've heard people

talking about, and this is a car and

driver um story that Bob sent us, so

obviously I read every word, but I don't

know about the shape and if we're

already going as far as I mean, it's

gorgeous, you know, but it's it's a

crazy

>> strong.

>> Yes, it's aggressive. So, if I'm going

to go this aggressive and if we're

talking about dream cars, I might end up

with Pagani rather than um the

[clears throat] Blackbird or I may I may

end up with some other kind of supercar

that I've never even heard of that goes

back to analog because I think this is

the Hennessy is a $2.5 million ask,

right? Pagani is going to be in the same

ballpark like you have so much money

that you can afford anything. And um I

think we're gonna increasingly see

supercar makers go back to uh a really

analog experience, not just um a manual

transmission, but a handbre. And maybe

that handbrake will be on the left where

Aston Martin used to put it. And they're

gonna

>> they're obsessed with the handbrake.

>> I love a handbrake. And also no screens.

Like I went to bed last night thinking

about our conversation with the guys at

Singer.

>> Yeah.

>> Without revealing too much, they were

talking about the importance of gauges,

right? And I totally agree. My um

992, you have also a 992 um 911. It has

analog gauges in the of the five in the

cluster, four are analog and one is

digital. And I thought that was such a

brilliant solution with giving you the

kind of dig access to a digital

information screen that you need without

making it too in your face. And if only,

you know, the center sort of navigation

screen would have swiveled away, that

would be perfect. And Bentley now does

You'll talk to the CEO of Bentley um at

at uh at Pebble,

>> Mr. Frank Stfan Wallaceer. Yes, I will.

Formerly Porsche. Yeah, they have uh I

think Adrien Hallmark brought this in,

but they have a swiveling screen that

disappears. Like I think the higherend,

not just supercar hypercar makers, but

just luxury car makers are going to

bring back buttons and knobs and phase

out giant screens and probably at some

point when they figure out a way to do

it, um bring back manual and handbrake

offerings.

>> Oh, look at Ferrari. They're, you know,

they're sort of moving in that

direction.

>> I I mean real manual transmissions

though, not just DCTs with Although, you

know, maybe that's the right solution.

Maybe Ferrari's chosen the right

solution.

Uh, let me ask you this. Do you remember

in I think Volvo and Jag and maybe SA

maybe [music] not SA but do you remember

the seat belts that were connected to

the frames of the doors that would move

as you close the door?

>> Yes.

>> Did you like that or did I think I had

an Acura legend at one point that had

that?

>> I mean that was the height of modernity

at the time. I I think it was a

a fun there were so many bad solutions

to

being too far behind you that it had to

be like Mercedes had this thing that

would pull it forward and hand it to

you.

>> I I remember that. I remember that too.

>> I I think moving along the door frame

was probably the best of those bad

solutions. But

>> my I guess my point bringing it up is

like not all of the most advanced

technology actually answers a question

we need answered.

>> And and I think those seat belts are the

perfect example cuz I remember at the

time I thought they were like so cool

and luxury but actually they always got

in the way. Half the time they never

worked and I would always just end up

unclipping it because it just was

annoying. And that's a perfect example

of sometimes technology is answering a

question that no one needs answered and

it's actually not necessary. The analog

thing is the better.

>> Yeah, I I agree. And um I think a lot of

these things we got a an email from a

guy called Tony um who says love

listening to show every Friday. Uh he

agrees regarding electric manual

shifting Ferrari. Like it seems

necessary even if it works well. And

it's similar to trying trying to make uh

electric cars sound like internal

combustion engine vehicles. He says,

"When I do finally get an electric car,"

and I love that he I I I kept thinking

about this ever since I read this email.

When I do finally get an electric car,

like he knows it's going to happen. It's

inevitable at some point that he's going

to. He says, "I wanted to be either

silent or sound like George Jetson's

spaceship." Um, and I totally I totally

understand where he's coming from. Like

I think at some point, um, we were

talking about this before when when the

car when the automobile was first

invented, they didn't make it smell like

horse poop to remind you of your

previous ride, you know. Um, I think

eventually like

like Mercedes desperately trying to get

a V8 sound out of an EV or Ferrari, you

know, trying to mimic the feel of a

manual transmission on a DCT

uh, gearbox is going to seem silly

eventually. Like, if you want a manual

transmission, get a manual transmission.

If you want to sound like a V8, why

don't you just put a V8 in it, you know?

Otherwise, let's celebrate the positives

that EVs have to offer. Like silent

operation is a pretty cool thing in a

lot of settings.

>> Sure, instant torque, seamless

acceleration, you know, you don't have

to go to a gas station, which I don't

love doing. I know a lot of people,

especially women, hate going to the gas

station.

So, yeah, there are lots of benefits. I

and I think too like I I was talking

with Tom Keen on TV last week and like

he said, "Do people want to buy EVs?"

And I said, "Well, you know, the sales

are saying no." But but here's the real

underlying factor. People will adopt new

technology when the new technology is

better and easier and makes more sense.

>> Yeah. And is more affordable. Right.

>> Right. For instance,

no, how many of us have an a cell phone,

an iPhone, a smartphone? Everybody

there. There was no problem getting

people to adopt using an iPhone, even

when they're very expensive. And there

were no, you know, incentives to buy a

cell phone. People just ponyied up and

bought it because it was so much better.

It was so easy to use. It made life

better. And I I'm not against EVs at

all. I'm just against bad cars that are

overpriced.

>> Well, for instance,

>> and I think the con American consumer

actually is probably kind of the same.

>> I mean, when we were talking with Kevin

Tynan, formerly of Bloomberg, now of the

Presidio Group, um I listed off a

handful of EVs that I absolutely love,

and he said, "Yeah, but those are all

$100,000 plus cars."

>> And I had never really thought about

that, but it's true. like, um, I would

like a number of EVs, like a G Wagon.

Uh,

>> yeah, I know. I love that car.

>> Gwagon. Absolutely love it.

>> And I can't think of any drawbacks to

that thing. Like,

>> I would have no problem spending $2,500

on a charger for my garage and I'd get

in every night when I got home and I

would never need to worry about range or

going to the gas station.

>> But, of course, it's, you know,

outlandishly expensive. Um,

>> uh, a buddy of mine who didn't want to

spend too much just got a Sierra EV, um,

truck. Okay, that actually is a six-f

figureure truck when you get the Denali

version, but um, you know, he's coming

out of a Cayenne and he loves it. It's a

different experience. Obviously, it's

huge. Um, but it's got monster torque

and it feels like a luxury vehicle on

the inside. So,

>> I'm sure that like Tony, I eventually

will get an EV as well. I actually still

have my reservation in for the Scout

Traveler if that thing ever happens.

Like,

>> cool.

>> I really want one, but

>> we need to try a Slate. Have you driven

a Slate yet?

>> Uh, I haven't driven one. I've been

offered the experience.

>> Um,

>> I would like to try it.

>> We should just for reference doubts

about that thing. It was supposed to be

20 and then they were like mid20s and

now they're like it's only 30

>> and

>> so the price is creeping up fine. I

guess inflation does that.

>> Um I'm not sure I

>> don't know how that is.

>> Not sure if I'd be able to put it

together the way I want, you know.

>> Yeah, I get that. I get that.

>> The Scout I'm pumped about. Like if they

actually put it out and I'd rather have

the full bee version than the silly uh

range extending four cylinder or

whatever. like I don't need that. Um

>> I'll be pumped if that thing comes out

and and is affordable.

>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And Tony,

the second part of his question about

like would you recommend a true

allanalog car?

>> I don't know. Are you saying would we

recommend a true all analog car in

general? Yes. Or are you saying would

you please recommend to me a specific

true analog car that I should buy? I

think no. He says, "What would you and

Hannah each recommend to someone

>> if they wanted to buy a used analog

sports car?" And I my knee-jerk reaction

was obviously a 997. But the truth is

there are so many options.

>> Depends on your budget, depends on what

you want to use it for, depends on where

you live, honestly. What's the weather

like? What are the roads like? Do you

have children? Do you have a dog? Um, do

you want to drive it every day to the

office or do you want to just drive it

on the weekend? It's where do you want

to keep it? Do you want to keep it in a

garage or like just out back? There's so

many factors.

>> But, by the way, that's my my happy

place is like having a chunk of money

dedicated to, you know, making that kind

of purchase and then doing that search

because you can cast wide wide web. I

mean, you can go from Miata to 911 and

everything in between. There are cars

from the 70s, 80s, 90s, 2010s.

I mean, there are are even still fairly

analog sports cars available. They're

few and far between these days, and I'm

not fans of all of them now that are

affordable options. you can still buy

like a Subaru WRX or a BRZ, you know,

and have a stick shift and uh, you know,

have a have a a naturally aspirated

motor. And there there's just a lot of

great choices that that you can make.

So,

>> well, I' I'd be remiss if I didn't say,

you know, obviously the whole span of

the Corvette history, every every

generation, every series, you know, up

until recently. And honestly,

I you know me, I love an old

Rolls-Royce. Talk about completely

analog. Those things are completely

analog, but you know, maybe maybe not

for everyone.

>> But um yeah,

>> I really you know what, we have to get

Mark Royce back on the show from General

Motors because I I've been thinking

lately everyone's revealing pictures of

I mean fake, you know, mock mockups of

what a Corvette C9 would look like. the

next generation.

>> I haven't seen those.

>> Are they terrible or are they good?

>> Some of them are gorgeous. I mean,

basically they if you think of a C8 and

then it's refined to be a little bit

smoother.

>> Ooh, cool.

>> Yeah,

>> I like it. I like what I see at least.

>> I love it. And now we're starting to see

>> very Ferrari

>> companies come out with potential

solutions for a manual swap to the C8.

you have the Ferrari idea of basically

masking a DCT with a digitally

uh with a manual sort of mimicking

transmission. Like I think there's so

many options for Corvette to bring back

a manual transmission, which don't

forget they had for every single

generation from

>> 1950 whatever until now. So,

>> I actually think seeing some of these C9

renderings, Corvette's ready to pop.

They're ready. There's there's there's

room and opportunity for a real comeback

here. Not that it needs a comeback, but

I I always think Corvette is always

underrated and underrespected.

So,

>> I have to think it's less now with the

C8 because the residual they don't they

don't lose so much value anymore. Not

just the C8, but the C7 as well. You

look at a C7 Z06 and it's still pretty

pricey.

>> Good.

>> If I look I look for I'm always on the

hunt for an -ay C8 because

>> I'm waiting for the used prices to fall

when everybody wants to buy a Grand

Sport X instead. you know, bigger bigger

gas motors coming out or redesigned

interior that a lot of people like

better. I'm happy taking last year's

>> E-Ray [music]

amazing car.

>> Um, but they just don't get cheaper.

They don't get any cheaper.

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