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Where's Antonio Gracias? Bring him up.

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How bad is it? How messed up is our

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government? So, if Twitter was like the

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JV league, this is like the NBA. It's

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the most complex thing I've ever seen.

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How is he able to find big balls? Where

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do they show up? Do they just apply out

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of the blue? I mean, where do these guys

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come from? You found some people who

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were illegal immigrants who registered

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to vote. Yes, this is actually true.

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Every vote that is cast illegal in

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America nullifies the vote of an

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American citizen. So, Antonio, we we

0:32

know you're very busy because you

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decided, like a couple of our other

0:34

friends, to take a second job working in

0:37

our government for a 100 or so days.

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Yeah. Give him a round of applause for

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that.

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Um, you know, Trump is a unique

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individual in all the world. There's

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maybe polarizing in some ways, but one

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thing that's not polarizing is Doge. I

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think everybody wants to see waste,

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fraud, and abuse and controlled spending

0:59

in government. Maybe there's some

1:01

questions about how fast it's going, but

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we all know you and Elon like to go, you

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know, at a brisk

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pace. You laid back and you joined a

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little later in the process, like a

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stat. You joined maybe what, 15, 20 days

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ago. Uh, I've been there for eight

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weeks. Eight weeks. Okay. So like yeah

1:20

60 60 days and you went public with it

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maybe a couple weeks ago. Yeah. I wasn't

1:24

with law Maryland for the first four

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weeks so you didn't know I was there.

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Yes. So um so how bad is it? How how

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messed up is our government? How insane

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are the processes? You're a process guy.

1:37

You know we both worked on the the

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Twitter uh acquisition and the and the

1:41

transfer there and did all the zerobased

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budgeting. I mean, maybe compare and

1:45

contrast it to that which was maybe one

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of the most horrific corporate entities

1:50

I've ever seen in my life and how that

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was being run. It was tough. Um, well,

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let me start with thank you guys. Thank

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you for having me. I really appreciate

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it. It's great to be down here to see

1:58

everybody. Um, and let me also say that

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it's an honor to serve America. Like

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whatever I am doing, I am grateful to be

2:04

able to do it. I'm grateful my partners

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for allowing me to do it and my clients

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for supporting it. And it is it truly is

2:08

an honor to be there. There's many great

2:09

people in the government trying to help.

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So, let me start with that. Yeah,

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please. Yeah.

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It is a sacrifice, right? You're you're

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taking time out of your day job. It's

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definitely a sacrifice, but it it it

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really I feel very grateful that I have

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the capacity and 30 years of training in

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lead operations that I can be useful.

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You know, that feels very feels I feel

2:27

with gratitude. Yeah. How bad is it? Uh

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so if Twitter was like the the JV

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league, this is like the NBA. Um it's

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the most complex thing I've ever seen. I

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have in uh our office in DC, I have a

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I've mapped now as an example the entire

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system of like basically from the border

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to the benefits programs. It's about a

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40ft board and it looks like a bos. It's

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I mean it's an incredible uh like

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spaghetti gram of stuff and yeah, I've

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never seen anything so complex in my

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life. So the answer to your question is

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it's worse than I thought. much much

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worse than what we saw at Twitter now X

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and America Americans and all of you we

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deserve better. Okay. If we were

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to and I'm sure Chimath has some

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questions in Freeberry, but if we were

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to look at $1 spent by our government,

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waste, fraud, abuse, how many pennies of

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the dollar is it? If you had to just

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based on what you've seen so far,

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arrange here's sad. If you go into any

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company, any company you guys has ever

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seen that is not like super wellrun, it

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probably is like easy cut 15%. Easy,

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easy, easy.

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Um, this is where the 15 this is where

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the the trillion dollar number came

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from. 15% of of $7 billion. I think if

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we had the political will, you'd easily

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get that 15% no problem. um not without

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any problem at all and without cutting

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the core uh entitlement programs. So

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it's definitely there. The question is

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do people want to do it or not? And

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remember every dollar we take we are

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taking from an NGO or a beltway

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consultant. You know it's it's actually

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that people are screaming about this

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because we're taking money from them. Um

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and it it is whatever you read in the

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news media I got to tell you it isn't

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true. I mean um the cuts I think it's

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88% of of the people that have left the

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government have taken packages. The

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packages are very lucrative. uh there

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sort of you know 9 months or so of

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severance. Um and they're they're

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voluntary. So yeah, I tell you and I

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also say the people that work in

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government who are good, there's lots of

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good people in the government that I

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have met and have pointed this at all

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this stuff. They deserve better. Okay,

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imagine trying to be a civil servant.

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You want to do the right thing. You're

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working there because you care about

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America and you're in this like massive

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bureaucratic morass with all this stuff

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on top of you. And man, I've seen like

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I've seen OIG reports where they the

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people have reported to OIG like sex

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trafficking and they turn it in and

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nothing happens. Like literally nothing

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happens. Okay. So that's very

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frustrating and they stick it out. They

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keep going and they keep working hard

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for America. So I I think it's it's not

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just about the cost cuts, it's about the

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culture like the culture change of

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allowing allowing good people who are in

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the government to understand that

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someone's listening that with when they

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want to make improvement change or when

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they find fraud, waste and abuse, they

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can do it and there's an avenue now to

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do it. Uh I think that's actually going

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to be one of the most important lasting

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thing we leave is this idea that your

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voice matters in the government that

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there are good people in the government

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and when they want to do the right thing

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there's a way to do it and you got

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people coming back to work in the

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office. Oh, I have to tell you. So, um,

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you know, we have been pillaried often

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in the press for security where I

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started. And, um, here are the facts.

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When I got there, just like at Twitter,

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the parking lot was empty. And I'm

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talking about stadiumsiz parking, okay?

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Empty. Uh, the office was empty. There

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was no one in the corporate office, the

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headquarters office in Woodland,

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Maryland. Um, and then I we because we

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follow our process of mapping from like

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end to end the system. We went to visit

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a couple offices. I went to one myself.

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The one that I went to, there were about

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20 people in the waiting room. There

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were seven people in the windows. Of the

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seven people, three had their shades

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half down. Those people were taking

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phone calls because during CO, they

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turned everyone into phone operators.

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And we learned is they were still

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running on CO operations. So we have now

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um through our efforts and efforts of

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the inter administrator brought everyone

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back to the office and back to the

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offices in the field. We haven't closed

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one field office, not one since we've

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been there. Everything you're reading

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about service levels is not true. Um,

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what I saw, imagine how frustrating that

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is if you're you're waiting in the

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waiting room, you see seven windows out

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of 25 open and three other people are

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taking phone calls and you're waiting. I

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mean, talk about customer service. So,

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look, like in in all the companies that

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we all run, we always talk about using

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incentives to shape the outcome you

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want. And I think you keep insisting,

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which I think is right, that civil

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servants by and large want the right

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things to happen. That's why they chose

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to go and work for the government. So

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what is the incentive we need to change?

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Is it a compensation incentive? Is it

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like what like what is it? Look, I think

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the people that work in the government,

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it's a normal distribution of

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everything, right? It's two and a half

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million people in the government plus

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contractors. And you know, some people

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are great, some people aren't great and

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every a lot of people in the middle and

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the people in the middle react to the

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incentives as you as you point out. I

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think the most important thing here is

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transparency of the metrics because they

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these folks aren't there for the money.

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Many of them are very good because we're

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make money somewhere else. The

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incentives we should create are uh

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transparency and some basic metrics.

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They know how they're doing. You know,

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we we were as example at social

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security. We were criticized for the

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website uptime. Well, turns out web set

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up time has been better since we got

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there than after. Imagine we have

7:33

engineers and we've now uh published the

7:35

metrics in the website publicly so

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people would see it. So the engineering

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team now managed the website can see um

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you know that they're doing a good job

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or not doing a good job and the public

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can see they're doing a good job or not

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doing a good job. I I don't think

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financial incentives are always useful

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but this is not just about money like

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for example if you if you look at

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Singapore

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the Singaporean approach from Lee Kuanu

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was let's create a a government that is

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extremely

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uh empowered but let's also make it

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quite small let's make them well

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compensated and let's try to find sort

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of an elite cadri of folks is that

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approach possible in the United States

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or should we even think that we should

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try something like that?

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I mean, look, Singapore is a unique ex a

8:21

unique experiment in the world. It's

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also a place where you uh you know, you

8:24

might wind up getting caneed if you drop

8:26

chewing gum on the on the ground. Okay.

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So, um in America where we have a

8:30

different a different level of um I

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would say of u freedom and rights. You

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know, we should strive for a civil

8:37

service that is professional, well

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compensated and missionoriented. And

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that mission orientation is serving the

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United States. And I think that gets

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back to look there are very good people.

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They want to do the right thing. Serve

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their country. That's why they're there.

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And it's uh I wouldn't make it I

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wouldn't make it about the money. I

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would make it about the mission. And and

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we'll get them we get there are very

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good people that they're on mission. I

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met them. They are the ones pointing all

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this stuff out to us. Right. Yeah. Can

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you talk about

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um you guys went on Fox the other day

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with the Doge team? Big Balls and Big

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Balls was there.

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We were talking about this backstage.

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All of those guys were like 12 years

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old. What is it about the role, the

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opportunity, the way it was presented

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that attracted this group of what were

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incredibly wellspoken, highly

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intelligent, clearly extraordinarily

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motivated individuals. It's the sort of

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caliber of talent that all of us aspire

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to hire and f first of all find hire and

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then they're on the mission. Is it

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Elon's inspiration and the reach he has

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that made this happen? Is this a

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particular moment in American history?

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Because I was looking at that table and

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I was thinking about like the founding

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fathers and the age of the founding

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fathers when they wrote the Declaration

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of Independence. They were all super

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young and I was like, man, this is an

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opportunity to kind of rewrite how

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government operates in America today.

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But I was just struck by the age and the

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talent and how that came together and

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kind of where do they show up? Do they

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just apply out of the blue and you guys

10:10

you guys have recruiters out there? I

10:12

mean, where does where do these guys

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come from? So, uh, we do have we do have

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a recruiting team actually. Um, they're

10:16

great. U Baris and Emily do the

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recruiting. And I'll tell you, I just

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want to stop for a second and say this.

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Th this is extraordinary. These people

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are extraordinary. All of them. The

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young people you saw at the table are

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extraordinary. Um, they're amazing

10:29

engineers. I mean, they're like any one

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of us would be they're 10x engineers. we

10:32

would all be thrilled to have in our

10:34

companies. Elon obviously is an

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extraordinary leader. So they come they

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come for for for him. But I think

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they're really motivated by the mission.

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They're motivated by the idea that this

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is a moment where they can actually make

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an extraordinary difference to the

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country and that is a flywheel that

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brings more people, right? So they bring

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their friends and it's, you know, you

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recruit other people in um and there's

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there are extraordinary extraordinary

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people there, man. So you saw the people

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at the table in that particular

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interview. I didn't say a word. I

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literally it wasn't the company. I

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actually was you and the other guy.

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Yeah. I didn't say anything. The reason

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I didn't say anything was because I

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didn't need to. Yeah. These guys are

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extraordinary. Um and like you know, one

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of the men there spoke about this.

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Ethan, he is in he's in my son's class

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at Harvard. He dropped out of Harvard

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with two classes left, right, to come do

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this. Um you know, Big Ball is an

11:17

example. He's great. Ron, the guy with I

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mean I I work with an engineer named

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Rahm was great. U you and then and I got

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to tell you there's a whole another

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strat of people that you didn't see

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there who are kind of in their 30s. Um,

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I think my my buddy Josh is working on

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uh on the college stuff and a few other

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things. These guys are I mean this guy

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was a senior executive rising star at

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KKR left his job to come do this. Okay.

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And there's innumerable number of people

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like this. It's an extraordinary group.

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I feel honored to be part of it. I feel

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honored to work with them. It really is

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Can I tell you an answer to this? Yeah.

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But I just want like do you think that

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this cuz these guys aren't going to work

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in the government forever. They're

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coming in, they're building something,

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they're activating, and they're moving

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on back to their private life like the

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founding fathers did at the start of the

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American government. Is that a better

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model for how government should operate

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rather than have career employees,

12:09

career politicians, but treat it more

12:11

like civil service where everyone has

12:13

some role that they should play at some

12:15

point like they do in Israel where you

12:16

have to, you know, go go to the army for

12:18

a few years and you everyone is

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required. Same in Singapore actually.

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Yeah. um where everyone kind of has to

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go spend their time in the government,

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contribute, participate, but it doesn't

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become a mechanism where there's an

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incentive to grow it and get more money

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flowing through it because that's how I

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individually as a politician or employee

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long-term would benefit from the

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government. Yeah, I think it's a great

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point. It's a great point on Singapore.

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Actually, I should have brought that up

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when Jamath has a question. I think that

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we're proving there's there's two uh

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types of people in government today.

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There's careers, they call them, and

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politicals, right? I think there should

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be a third type, which is what you're

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talking about. people that are doing

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public service for a short duration,

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shorter duration, whether it's me 130 as

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as a SGE or, you know, it's a couple of

12:56

years as an engineer or something. I

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think a culture of this in America would

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be great for America and great not just

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for what it does to the government, but

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how it binds us as a people, right?

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Serving your country, going there,

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seeing how hard it is, seeing the the

13:09

way it works, understanding that like

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really from the inside what's going on.

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Listen, I had no idea. It's like what

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part of the government did you work in

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for your two-year service or your 18

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months, right?

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This would be this would be a a great

13:19

thing for America and a great thing for

13:20

our society because um that culture of

13:23

public service I think would bring us

13:25

closer together. You were going to say

13:27

something about the I had

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um I mean without saying too much but

13:32

you can guess. So all of us have known

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Elon for a really long time. I also

13:37

worked for another person that's of that

13:40

same stature for a long time and he's

13:43

much shorter. Much shorter. Um, and one

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of I say that a very good friend of

13:50

his came to see me recently for lunch

13:54

and he asked me this exact same question

13:56

about Elon. He said

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like it was kind of like as just like

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the like that's the question that they

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were grappling with. How is he able to

14:04

find big balls and so many big balls? I

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actually can tell you um I've seen him

14:10

find big balls. Yeah, it's um it's a

14:12

it's a serious strategy though. what I

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he does is he responds to emails or

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tweets Twitter people will say like I

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have a solution to this um we should do

14:22

that and then I've been CCed on messages

14:24

where he sends them to the right person

14:25

and he has people to vet them and see if

14:27

this idea actually works and I think

14:30

he's like very opportunistic and doesn't

14:31

prejudge where you went to school and

14:33

what your credentials is are. It's

14:35

almost the opposite. The less

14:36

credentials you are he has a

14:38

predisposition to think you're more

14:39

right. Have you solved a problem? By the

14:40

way, this is a this is a Peter Teal. But

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but my my answer to this was there's

14:45

there's a lot of people that can be

14:46

responsive in email. I think there's a

14:48

handful of people that are real northern

14:51

stars for technical talent, but he's the

14:53

only one that when you walk in the room,

14:56

he says, "Here's this mission." And it

14:58

is so generally otherworldly. Nobody

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else can really say that. It is a

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flywheel, as you said, that is extremely

15:05

unique. The fact that you can direct

15:07

that entropy to the United States

15:09

government I think is a blessing. Now

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the question is how do we follow up and

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make it attractive because to your

15:16

point I saw those kids on that interview

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and any of my five kids if they had done

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what they did I would have been so

15:23

proud. I was so impressed with these

15:25

kids. Very impressive. And and you're

15:27

like you're proud to be an American

15:28

watching these kids. You saw Elon's face

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nodding while they were speaking with a

15:32

a grin ear to ear. He was proud.

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proud. He is proud. I think it's

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important for maybe people to sit back

15:39

and say this has all been done in a 100

15:41

days from a cold start. It's not like he

15:44

brought in people or you brought in

15:45

people who were like I know the lay of

15:47

the land here. It was like we're going

15:48

to figure this out from first principles

15:51

do zerobased budgeting whatever it is

15:52

look at the data and see where it leads

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us. And I think one of the disturbing

15:56

things about the data and most

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controversial issues in America today is

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the border. Yeah. And why did Biden let

16:04

so many people through the border? It

16:05

was kind of a question if it was even

16:07

happening. Should we trust these border

16:08

encounter numbers? It doesn't seem real.

16:11

And and there's a lack of trust in the

16:12

government. One side is saying, "Hey, we

16:15

let all these people in. There's 15 20

16:17

million extra people here in order to

16:19

vote Democratic. Doesn't make a lot of

16:21

sense to me since the Republicans have

16:23

become the working party." But putting

16:25

all that aside, you started looking at

16:27

this and we had a discussion privately

16:30

about, hey, are these people signing up

16:32

to vote? Cuz that would be an indicator

16:36

that this, you know, theory that people

16:40

were streaming across the border in

16:41

order to vote. Um, you found some people

16:44

who were illegal immigrants who

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registered to vote. This is confounding.

16:49

It Yes, this is actually true. So um we

16:52

have we've sampled a handful of states

16:55

uh and in those handful of states we

16:57

found um people registered to vote and

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we have found people who actually voted

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and this is all being done by sampling.

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Okay. So we are sampling uh DHS data and

17:06

then have to go to the voter roles check

17:08

the voter roles and then check the give

17:10

that to HSI homeless investigations who

17:13

goes and checks the voter record by

17:15

subpoena and the and the voter and the

17:17

cards you sign when you vote. We had uh

17:19

already three um arrests here in Florida

17:23

actually and one in one indictment uh in

17:26

Is that publicly known? Yes, it's it's

17:28

we we posted it. The DOJ the media has

17:29

not covered like I haven't seen much

17:31

about that. So you're saying these are

17:32

these are three individuals who

17:35

illegally secured or no legally secured

17:37

a social security. They legally secured

17:38

social security numbers um through the

17:40

through the process we talked about last

17:41

time asylum or some special program or

17:43

whatever and they were given um you know

17:46

they gave an associate number by by

17:47

filing a 765 and getting authorization

17:50

and they registered to vote and they

17:52

actually voted in 2020 andor 2024. Three

17:57

have been arrested. I just want to say

17:58

this carefully. Three have been arrested

18:01

and one has been indicted. The one we

18:03

indicted, I want to just stop on this

18:04

guy for a minute. He's he's an Iraqi

18:06

national. Uh he voted in 2020 in New

18:09

York. He um went to prison for shooting

18:12

somebody. Shot some guy's hand off. Has

18:14

charged, if I remember correctly, 160 60

18:17

or $70,000 of benefits through Medicaid.

18:19

And has we think is now in Iraq because

18:21

he's active on his Facebook page and the

18:23

IP address is from Iraq. And credit to

18:25

our friends at HSI, our partners HSI,

18:28

and to DOJ for tracking this down. I got

18:30

to tell you guys, it's difficult,

18:31

laborious work. It really is. Um, but

18:34

think about that a minute. Is that the

18:35

tip of the iceberg, Antonio, do you

18:37

think? Or did you guys do a lot of

18:39

mining and a lot of digging to come up

18:41

with those four? How big of a magnitude

18:43

of an problem do you think this is? What

18:45

What's your What's your intuition tell

18:46

you honestly right now about whether

18:48

there's massive voter fraud or not?

18:51

Great question and I want to be careful

18:53

I answer it. Um, I'm going to leave the

18:56

data. So, I'm not leaving the data and

18:57

I'm entering the area of my opinion,

18:59

which is what you're asking me. My

19:01

opinion is and actually let me step back

19:03

and tell you what we did a second and

19:04

then take my opinion. We are sampling by

19:07

hand. Um so when you say data mining,

19:10

we're not mining. We're actually like

19:12

pick and shovel going into like by hand.

19:14

This is not mechanized. There's no AI

19:16

being applied. There's we're using SQL

19:18

queries. Okay. You're literally pulling

19:19

one literally snapping a name out of the

19:21

work authorization database DHS checking

19:24

that against the voter role and have to

19:25

go run it down to the state. Super

19:27

laborious. Okay. So, um, with that in

19:30

mind, my opinion is that this is the tip

19:33

of the iceberg. How big the iceberg is,

19:35

I don't know, and I don't want to

19:37

speculate cuz I think it it would be,

19:38

um, not that I think we can do at this

19:40

moment. I think we'll have more data

19:41

over time, but for sure, if we can

19:43

sample out of a database, uh, and it

19:45

takes an engineer about a day to find

19:47

20-ish cases. So, what DOJ asks for was

19:49

20 10 to 20 cases per state. It just

19:52

give you a sense of of of what's

19:53

happening. It takes an engineer about a

19:54

day to find 10 to 20 cases per state in

19:57

sampling. That gives you an idea of how

19:59

you know how many there are, right? Um

20:02

that's that's going on. Are you shocked

20:04

that people don't care about this more?

20:07

I'm I'm shock I think people really do

20:09

care. Should we be should we care more?

20:11

Yeah. Yes. Well, yes. I want to separate

20:12

the questions. Uh I think people care

20:14

more. My guess is everyone here cares a

20:16

lot. Okay. A lot about this. I think for

20:18

some reason the news media doesn't care

20:20

more now. Should you care? Yes. You

20:22

know, there's this idea like it's there

20:24

always a little bit of fraud. It's

20:25

pervasive. We should just it's not a big

20:27

deal. Wrong. Here's the reality. Every

20:30

vote that is cast illegally in America

20:33

nullifies the vote of an American

20:34

citizen. It is your constitutional right

20:36

to vote in America. And if we don't have

20:38

a zero defect system, we are violating

20:41

your constitutional rights. And I will

20:42

tell you, you deserve, the American

20:44

public deserves that we strive for a

20:46

zero defect system, right? We make

20:48

medical devices in America with a zero

20:50

defect system. Yeah. We shouldn't make

20:51

votes with zero system. If we don't

20:53

strive for a zero defect system, we will

20:55

get a lot more fraud. This is why the

20:57

real idea is so important. We should

20:58

strive for this. And it doesn't matter

21:00

if it's one vote. It's easily solved

21:01

with the last 15 states that don't

21:04

require voter ID to simply do that. And

21:06

that would pretty much end this debate,

21:08

I think. I mean I well I want to tell

21:11

you uh there are states that do require

21:12

ID. I think real ID will solve it

21:14

because real one of the things our

21:16

engineers are building and it it was

21:17

already there but they're making it

21:18

they're cleaning up making it work

21:19

properly is a thing called save. There's

21:21

a database called save that is uh

21:23

available to the states um in the bot

21:25

administration. They raised the price I

21:26

think about a dollar an API call to $3

21:29

and change the API call and all the

21:31

states stopped you stopped using it.

21:32

Save is a database that has um the

21:35

actual citizenship data for the entire

21:37

country. Okay. We we're cleaning up now

21:39

and making the the actual UI much

21:41

better. If the states have Real ID and

21:44

they use save, you would solve this

21:45

problem. And I I I I cannot understand

21:49

why a state would not do this. Whose

21:52

decision would it be to just change the

21:53

cost of that API? So great question,

21:56

Chimath. We the Secretary of Homeland

21:59

Security, I want to thank her, Secretary

22:01

Gnome, has just signed a memo, a policy

22:04

memo to make it free. Yeah. Why is there

22:06

a charge anyway? It doesn't make any

22:08

sense to me. Yes. Yeah. Very simple. Uh

22:10

signature always made this free. Your

22:12

parents I know your dad is an immigrant.

22:14

My parents are both immigrants. Both

22:15

immigrants. Two immigrants sitting here.

22:17

My mother came here without speak

22:18

English. Yeah. Um so to be clear pick

22:21

me. Me too. You're an immigrant. Also an

22:24

immigrant. Seventh generation. No. Which

22:25

one does it fit? I don't know. Who's

22:27

not? Is it Oh, Jason. Who do you think?

22:29

Seventh generation. I'm the all-in

22:31

presidential candidate by

22:33

default. Um so I don't know. You're from

22:36

Mount Olympus, though. Yes. Yeah. Um and

22:39

the five points, but um how should

22:42

immigration work in this country? You

22:45

know, we've talked about it on our pod,

22:46

the point-based system, etc. We still

22:48

want immigration. We need highskilled

22:50

immigration. We talked to President

22:51

Trump about that. He said he was

22:53

committed to giving people green cards

22:55

who have diplomas. And this is a little

22:58

out of your uh purview, but just how do

23:01

you how does Antonio Gracios feel about

23:04

immigration? You know, deporting people,

23:06

you know, deporting people with maybe

23:08

less due process than maybe some of us

23:10

are comfortable with. What do you think

23:12

we should be doing here as a country?

23:14

There's a lot in that question. So,

23:16

look, I'm a enormous fan of immigration.

23:18

I mean, I you will not find a guy who's

23:19

more pro immigration than I am. Um

23:22

because my parents are immigrants. um

23:24

they came here with nothing and built a

23:26

life and I am the American dream and I'm

23:28

so grateful this country for my what

23:29

it's done for my family you won't find

23:31

it I am so grateful this country was it

23:34

has been great for us okay um and for

23:37

all of you the reality is that we need

23:40

thank

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23:46

you American GDP is simply the function

23:50

of number of people working times

23:51

productivity we We have 7 million job

23:54

openings roughly in America. We need

23:55

people to work. Yes, this is this is the

23:57

reality. The the system should very

24:00

simply be there's a skilled immigration

24:02

group and we figure out what that should

24:04

be, what jobs you want. We and by the

24:06

way, America is the best place to live

24:07

in the world. We all know that. I

24:09

believe that if we make this easy, uh

24:12

they will come, right? No problem. And I

24:14

think there's broad in that. We also

24:15

need um labor. We do. Our farm, our

24:19

farmers need labor, need labor in the

24:21

food industry, restaurants, etc. I think

24:23

there should be both high-end skilled

24:25

immigration, and there should be a very

24:26

sensible program for unskilled labor,

24:28

uh, a work permit program, and you we've

24:31

got that H2A program. There there is an

24:33

there is the H2A program. I will tell

24:34

you, uh, these programs, I mapp the

24:36

entire system now. Um, they go from DHS

24:39

to State Department to labor. They're

24:41

very disconnected and they're they're

24:44

hard to manage. So, we are we are going

24:46

to work on this. One of the things we're

24:47

going to work on and hopefully leave

24:48

behind is both a sensible answer to the

24:50

illegal problem and a sensible answer to

24:52

the legal problem. It's very important

24:53

to the team working on this. They work

24:55

on this is like super important for

24:57

Trump's administration because there

24:58

seems to be a bit of a I don't want to

25:00

call it a civil war, but heated debate

25:03

internally between people like yourself

25:05

and Elon and others who believe

25:07

immigration is critical and then other

25:09

people who just want to lock the border

25:10

and deport 20 million people. Steve,

25:12

I'll call the Steve Banning camp. He's

25:14

not in the administration clearly.

25:15

Locking the borders. I want to be clear

25:16

on this something. I don't believe in

25:18

open borders. Yeah. When a country opens

25:20

it border, this country sees its

25:22

sovereignty. Yes. You have you have to

25:24

have a closer. You have to have a border

25:25

that is control. Um that doesn't mean

25:27

you shouldn't have legal immigration,

25:28

right? It should be it should be a

25:30

proper process um where people can come

25:32

in that are great for the country and

25:33

they believe in our values and they

25:35

should have a chance to become citizens

25:36

if they believe in our values, support

25:37

our country. I really hope that you guys

25:38

work this out and can have a positive

25:40

influence like you've had with Doge on

25:41

the administration and really work on

25:43

this one which is sensible, kind, you

25:46

know, empathetic uh immigration. Y

25:49

because you're all immigrants. I mean,

25:50

the values I set for our team, I just

25:52

tell you the valor execution values are

25:54

focus, intensity, and discipline. I

25:56

added a fourth value here to our team

25:58

for our team. Compassion. Yes. Antonio,

26:00

I just want and I want anyone else to

26:02

join me in saying, look, you're a

26:04

successful, wealthy, um, incredibly

26:07

handsome, handsome man. That's the best

26:09

part. But, uh, like I I know the work

26:11

you're doing super hard. We talked

26:13

backstage about how hard it's been. I

26:14

just want to honestly say as an

26:16

American, thank you for the work you're

26:17

doing. And

26:20

well, thank you,

26:21

bro. All right. Thanks to my friend

26:24

Antonio Gracias for joining us and

26:26

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Interactive Summary

Antonio Gracias, part of the Department of Government Efficiency (DOGE), discusses the immense complexity and inefficiency he has encountered within the US government compared to his private sector experiences. He outlines the mission of DOGE, which includes identifying waste, fraud, and abuse through a 'first principles' approach and data analysis. Gracias highlights the success of their recruiting efforts in attracting highly skilled individuals motivated by the mission of service. He also addresses the controversy surrounding illegal voting, confirming that their team has identified instances of non-citizens registering and voting, and emphasizes the need for transparency, metrics, and a 'zero-defect' system. Finally, he shares his perspective on immigration, advocating for a balanced approach that combines border security with a sensible process for legal, skilled, and necessary labor.

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