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Where's Antonio Gracias? Bring him up.

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How bad is it? How messed up is our

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government? So, if Twitter was like the

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JV league, this is like the NBA. It's

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the most complex thing I've ever seen.

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How is he able to find big balls? Where

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do they show up? Do they just apply out

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of the blue? I mean, where do these guys

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come from? You found some people who

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were illegal immigrants who registered

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to vote. Yes, this is actually true.

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Every vote that is cast illegal in

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America nullifies the vote of an

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American citizen. So, Antonio, we we

0:32

know you're very busy because you

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decided, like a couple of our other

0:34

friends, to take a second job working in

0:37

our government for a 100 or so days.

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Yeah. Give him a round of applause for

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that.

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Um, you know, Trump is a unique

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individual in all the world. There's

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maybe polarizing in some ways, but one

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thing that's not polarizing is Doge. I

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think everybody wants to see waste,

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fraud, and abuse and controlled spending

0:59

in government. Maybe there's some

1:01

questions about how fast it's going, but

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we all know you and Elon like to go, you

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know, at a brisk

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pace. You laid back and you joined a

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little later in the process, like a

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stat. You joined maybe what, 15, 20 days

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ago. Uh, I've been there for eight

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weeks. Eight weeks. Okay. So like yeah

1:20

60 60 days and you went public with it

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maybe a couple weeks ago. Yeah. I wasn't

1:24

with law Maryland for the first four

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weeks so you didn't know I was there.

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Yes. So um so how bad is it? How how

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messed up is our government? How insane

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are the processes? You're a process guy.

1:37

You know we both worked on the the

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Twitter uh acquisition and the and the

1:41

transfer there and did all the zerobased

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budgeting. I mean, maybe compare and

1:45

contrast it to that which was maybe one

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of the most horrific corporate entities

1:50

I've ever seen in my life and how that

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was being run. It was tough. Um, well,

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let me start with thank you guys. Thank

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you for having me. I really appreciate

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it. It's great to be down here to see

1:58

everybody. Um, and let me also say that

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it's an honor to serve America. Like

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whatever I am doing, I am grateful to be

2:04

able to do it. I'm grateful my partners

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for allowing me to do it and my clients

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for supporting it. And it is it truly is

2:08

an honor to be there. There's many great

2:09

people in the government trying to help.

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So, let me start with that. Yeah,

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please. Yeah.

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It is a sacrifice, right? You're you're

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taking time out of your day job. It's

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definitely a sacrifice, but it it it

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really I feel very grateful that I have

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the capacity and 30 years of training in

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lead operations that I can be useful.

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You know, that feels very feels I feel

2:27

with gratitude. Yeah. How bad is it? Uh

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so if Twitter was like the the JV

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league, this is like the NBA. Um it's

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the most complex thing I've ever seen. I

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have in uh our office in DC, I have a

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I've mapped now as an example the entire

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system of like basically from the border

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to the benefits programs. It's about a

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40ft board and it looks like a bos. It's

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I mean it's an incredible uh like

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spaghetti gram of stuff and yeah, I've

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never seen anything so complex in my

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life. So the answer to your question is

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it's worse than I thought. much much

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worse than what we saw at Twitter now X

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and America Americans and all of you we

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deserve better. Okay. If we were

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to and I'm sure Chimath has some

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questions in Freeberry, but if we were

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to look at $1 spent by our government,

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waste, fraud, abuse, how many pennies of

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the dollar is it? If you had to just

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based on what you've seen so far,

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arrange here's sad. If you go into any

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company, any company you guys has ever

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seen that is not like super wellrun, it

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probably is like easy cut 15%. Easy,

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easy, easy.

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Um, this is where the 15 this is where

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the the trillion dollar number came

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from. 15% of of $7 billion. I think if

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we had the political will, you'd easily

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get that 15% no problem. um not without

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any problem at all and without cutting

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the core uh entitlement programs. So

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it's definitely there. The question is

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do people want to do it or not? And

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remember every dollar we take we are

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taking from an NGO or a beltway

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consultant. You know it's it's actually

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that people are screaming about this

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because we're taking money from them. Um

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and it it is whatever you read in the

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news media I got to tell you it isn't

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true. I mean um the cuts I think it's

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88% of of the people that have left the

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government have taken packages. The

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packages are very lucrative. uh there

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sort of you know 9 months or so of

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severance. Um and they're they're

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voluntary. So yeah, I tell you and I

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also say the people that work in

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government who are good, there's lots of

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good people in the government that I

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have met and have pointed this at all

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this stuff. They deserve better. Okay,

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imagine trying to be a civil servant.

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You want to do the right thing. You're

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working there because you care about

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America and you're in this like massive

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bureaucratic morass with all this stuff

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on top of you. And man, I've seen like

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I've seen OIG reports where they the

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people have reported to OIG like sex

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trafficking and they turn it in and

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nothing happens. Like literally nothing

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happens. Okay. So that's very

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frustrating and they stick it out. They

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keep going and they keep working hard

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for America. So I I think it's it's not

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just about the cost cuts, it's about the

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culture like the culture change of

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allowing allowing good people who are in

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the government to understand that

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someone's listening that with when they

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want to make improvement change or when

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they find fraud, waste and abuse, they

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can do it and there's an avenue now to

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do it. Uh I think that's actually going

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to be one of the most important lasting

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thing we leave is this idea that your

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voice matters in the government that

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there are good people in the government

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and when they want to do the right thing

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there's a way to do it and you got

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people coming back to work in the

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office. Oh, I have to tell you. So, um,

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you know, we have been pillaried often

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in the press for security where I

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started. And, um, here are the facts.

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When I got there, just like at Twitter,

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the parking lot was empty. And I'm

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talking about stadiumsiz parking, okay?

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Empty. Uh, the office was empty. There

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was no one in the corporate office, the

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headquarters office in Woodland,

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Maryland. Um, and then I we because we

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follow our process of mapping from like

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end to end the system. We went to visit

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a couple offices. I went to one myself.

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The one that I went to, there were about

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20 people in the waiting room. There

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were seven people in the windows. Of the

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seven people, three had their shades

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half down. Those people were taking

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phone calls because during CO, they

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turned everyone into phone operators.

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And we learned is they were still

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running on CO operations. So we have now

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um through our efforts and efforts of

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the inter administrator brought everyone

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back to the office and back to the

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offices in the field. We haven't closed

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one field office, not one since we've

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been there. Everything you're reading

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about service levels is not true. Um,

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what I saw, imagine how frustrating that

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is if you're you're waiting in the

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waiting room, you see seven windows out

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of 25 open and three other people are

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taking phone calls and you're waiting. I

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mean, talk about customer service. So,

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look, like in in all the companies that

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we all run, we always talk about using

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incentives to shape the outcome you

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want. And I think you keep insisting,

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which I think is right, that civil

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servants by and large want the right

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things to happen. That's why they chose

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to go and work for the government. So

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what is the incentive we need to change?

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Is it a compensation incentive? Is it

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like what like what is it? Look, I think

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the people that work in the government,

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it's a normal distribution of

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everything, right? It's two and a half

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million people in the government plus

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contractors. And you know, some people

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are great, some people aren't great and

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every a lot of people in the middle and

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the people in the middle react to the

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incentives as you as you point out. I

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think the most important thing here is

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transparency of the metrics because they

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these folks aren't there for the money.

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Many of them are very good because we're

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make money somewhere else. The

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incentives we should create are uh

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transparency and some basic metrics.

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They know how they're doing. You know,

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we we were as example at social

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security. We were criticized for the

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website uptime. Well, turns out web set

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up time has been better since we got

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there than after. Imagine we have

7:33

engineers and we've now uh published the

7:35

metrics in the website publicly so

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people would see it. So the engineering

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team now managed the website can see um

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you know that they're doing a good job

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or not doing a good job and the public

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can see they're doing a good job or not

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doing a good job. I I don't think

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financial incentives are always useful

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but this is not just about money like

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for example if you if you look at

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Singapore

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the Singaporean approach from Lee Kuanu

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was let's create a a government that is

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extremely

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uh empowered but let's also make it

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quite small let's make them well

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compensated and let's try to find sort

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of an elite cadri of folks is that

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approach possible in the United States

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or should we even think that we should

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try something like that?

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I mean, look, Singapore is a unique ex a

8:21

unique experiment in the world. It's

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also a place where you uh you know, you

8:24

might wind up getting caneed if you drop

8:26

chewing gum on the on the ground. Okay.

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So, um in America where we have a

8:30

different a different level of um I

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would say of u freedom and rights. You

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know, we should strive for a civil

8:37

service that is professional, well

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compensated and missionoriented. And

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that mission orientation is serving the

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United States. And I think that gets

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back to look there are very good people.

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They want to do the right thing. Serve

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their country. That's why they're there.

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And it's uh I wouldn't make it I

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wouldn't make it about the money. I

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would make it about the mission. And and

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we'll get them we get there are very

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good people that they're on mission. I

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met them. They are the ones pointing all

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this stuff out to us. Right. Yeah. Can

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you talk about

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um you guys went on Fox the other day

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with the Doge team? Big Balls and Big

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Balls was there.

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We were talking about this backstage.

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All of those guys were like 12 years

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old. What is it about the role, the

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opportunity, the way it was presented

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that attracted this group of what were

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incredibly wellspoken, highly

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intelligent, clearly extraordinarily

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motivated individuals. It's the sort of

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caliber of talent that all of us aspire

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to hire and f first of all find hire and

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then they're on the mission. Is it

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Elon's inspiration and the reach he has

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that made this happen? Is this a

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particular moment in American history?

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Because I was looking at that table and

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I was thinking about like the founding

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fathers and the age of the founding

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fathers when they wrote the Declaration

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of Independence. They were all super

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young and I was like, man, this is an

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opportunity to kind of rewrite how

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government operates in America today.

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But I was just struck by the age and the

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talent and how that came together and

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kind of where do they show up? Do they

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just apply out of the blue and you guys

10:10

you guys have recruiters out there? I

10:12

mean, where does where do these guys

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come from? So, uh, we do have we do have

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a recruiting team actually. Um, they're

10:16

great. U Baris and Emily do the

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recruiting. And I'll tell you, I just

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want to stop for a second and say this.

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Th this is extraordinary. These people

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are extraordinary. All of them. The

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young people you saw at the table are

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extraordinary. Um, they're amazing

10:29

engineers. I mean, they're like any one

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of us would be they're 10x engineers. we

10:32

would all be thrilled to have in our

10:34

companies. Elon obviously is an

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extraordinary leader. So they come they

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come for for for him. But I think

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they're really motivated by the mission.

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They're motivated by the idea that this

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is a moment where they can actually make

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an extraordinary difference to the

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country and that is a flywheel that

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brings more people, right? So they bring

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their friends and it's, you know, you

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recruit other people in um and there's

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there are extraordinary extraordinary

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people there, man. So you saw the people

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at the table in that particular

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interview. I didn't say a word. I

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literally it wasn't the company. I

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actually was you and the other guy.

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Yeah. I didn't say anything. The reason

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I didn't say anything was because I

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didn't need to. Yeah. These guys are

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extraordinary. Um and like you know, one

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of the men there spoke about this.

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Ethan, he is in he's in my son's class

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at Harvard. He dropped out of Harvard

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with two classes left, right, to come do

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this. Um you know, Big Ball is an

11:17

example. He's great. Ron, the guy with I

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mean I I work with an engineer named

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Rahm was great. U you and then and I got

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to tell you there's a whole another

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strat of people that you didn't see

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there who are kind of in their 30s. Um,

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I think my my buddy Josh is working on

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uh on the college stuff and a few other

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things. These guys are I mean this guy

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was a senior executive rising star at

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KKR left his job to come do this. Okay.

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And there's innumerable number of people

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like this. It's an extraordinary group.

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I feel honored to be part of it. I feel

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honored to work with them. It really is

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Can I tell you an answer to this? Yeah.

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But I just want like do you think that

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this cuz these guys aren't going to work

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in the government forever. They're

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coming in, they're building something,

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they're activating, and they're moving

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on back to their private life like the

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founding fathers did at the start of the

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American government. Is that a better

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model for how government should operate

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rather than have career employees,

12:09

career politicians, but treat it more

12:11

like civil service where everyone has

12:13

some role that they should play at some

12:15

point like they do in Israel where you

12:16

have to, you know, go go to the army for

12:18

a few years and you everyone is

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required. Same in Singapore actually.

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Yeah. um where everyone kind of has to

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go spend their time in the government,

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contribute, participate, but it doesn't

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become a mechanism where there's an

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incentive to grow it and get more money

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flowing through it because that's how I

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individually as a politician or employee

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long-term would benefit from the

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government. Yeah, I think it's a great

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point. It's a great point on Singapore.

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Actually, I should have brought that up

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when Jamath has a question. I think that

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we're proving there's there's two uh

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types of people in government today.

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There's careers, they call them, and

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politicals, right? I think there should

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be a third type, which is what you're

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talking about. people that are doing

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public service for a short duration,

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shorter duration, whether it's me 130 as

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as a SGE or, you know, it's a couple of

12:56

years as an engineer or something. I

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think a culture of this in America would

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be great for America and great not just

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for what it does to the government, but

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how it binds us as a people, right?

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Serving your country, going there,

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seeing how hard it is, seeing the the

13:09

way it works, understanding that like

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really from the inside what's going on.

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Listen, I had no idea. It's like what

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part of the government did you work in

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for your two-year service or your 18

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months, right?

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This would be this would be a a great

13:19

thing for America and a great thing for

13:20

our society because um that culture of

13:23

public service I think would bring us

13:25

closer together. You were going to say

13:27

something about the I had

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um I mean without saying too much but

13:32

you can guess. So all of us have known

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Elon for a really long time. I also

13:37

worked for another person that's of that

13:40

same stature for a long time and he's

13:43

much shorter. Much shorter. Um, and one

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of I say that a very good friend of

13:50

his came to see me recently for lunch

13:54

and he asked me this exact same question

13:56

about Elon. He said

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like it was kind of like as just like

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the like that's the question that they

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were grappling with. How is he able to

14:04

find big balls and so many big balls? I

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actually can tell you um I've seen him

14:10

find big balls. Yeah, it's um it's a

14:12

it's a serious strategy though. what I

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he does is he responds to emails or

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tweets Twitter people will say like I

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have a solution to this um we should do

14:22

that and then I've been CCed on messages

14:24

where he sends them to the right person

14:25

and he has people to vet them and see if

14:27

this idea actually works and I think

14:30

he's like very opportunistic and doesn't

14:31

prejudge where you went to school and

14:33

what your credentials is are. It's

14:35

almost the opposite. The less

14:36

credentials you are he has a

14:38

predisposition to think you're more

14:39

right. Have you solved a problem? By the

14:40

way, this is a this is a Peter Teal. But

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but my my answer to this was there's

14:45

there's a lot of people that can be

14:46

responsive in email. I think there's a

14:48

handful of people that are real northern

14:51

stars for technical talent, but he's the

14:53

only one that when you walk in the room,

14:56

he says, "Here's this mission." And it

14:58

is so generally otherworldly. Nobody

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else can really say that. It is a

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flywheel, as you said, that is extremely

15:05

unique. The fact that you can direct

15:07

that entropy to the United States

15:09

government I think is a blessing. Now

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the question is how do we follow up and

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make it attractive because to your

15:16

point I saw those kids on that interview

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and any of my five kids if they had done

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what they did I would have been so

15:23

proud. I was so impressed with these

15:25

kids. Very impressive. And and you're

15:27

like you're proud to be an American

15:28

watching these kids. You saw Elon's face

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nodding while they were speaking with a

15:32

a grin ear to ear. He was proud.

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proud. He is proud. I think it's

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important for maybe people to sit back

15:39

and say this has all been done in a 100

15:41

days from a cold start. It's not like he

15:44

brought in people or you brought in

15:45

people who were like I know the lay of

15:47

the land here. It was like we're going

15:48

to figure this out from first principles

15:51

do zerobased budgeting whatever it is

15:52

look at the data and see where it leads

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us. And I think one of the disturbing

15:56

things about the data and most

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controversial issues in America today is

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the border. Yeah. And why did Biden let

16:04

so many people through the border? It

16:05

was kind of a question if it was even

16:07

happening. Should we trust these border

16:08

encounter numbers? It doesn't seem real.

16:11

And and there's a lack of trust in the

16:12

government. One side is saying, "Hey, we

16:15

let all these people in. There's 15 20

16:17

million extra people here in order to

16:19

vote Democratic. Doesn't make a lot of

16:21

sense to me since the Republicans have

16:23

become the working party." But putting

16:25

all that aside, you started looking at

16:27

this and we had a discussion privately

16:30

about, hey, are these people signing up

16:32

to vote? Cuz that would be an indicator

16:36

that this, you know, theory that people

16:40

were streaming across the border in

16:41

order to vote. Um, you found some people

16:44

who were illegal immigrants who

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registered to vote. This is confounding.

16:49

It Yes, this is actually true. So um we

16:52

have we've sampled a handful of states

16:55

uh and in those handful of states we

16:57

found um people registered to vote and

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we have found people who actually voted

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and this is all being done by sampling.

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Okay. So we are sampling uh DHS data and

17:06

then have to go to the voter roles check

17:08

the voter roles and then check the give

17:10

that to HSI homeless investigations who

17:13

goes and checks the voter record by

17:15

subpoena and the and the voter and the

17:17

cards you sign when you vote. We had uh

17:19

already three um arrests here in Florida

17:23

actually and one in one indictment uh in

17:26

Is that publicly known? Yes, it's it's

17:28

we we posted it. The DOJ the media has

17:29

not covered like I haven't seen much

17:31

about that. So you're saying these are

17:32

these are three individuals who

17:35

illegally secured or no legally secured

17:37

a social security. They legally secured

17:38

social security numbers um through the

17:40

through the process we talked about last

17:41

time asylum or some special program or

17:43

whatever and they were given um you know

17:46

they gave an associate number by by

17:47

filing a 765 and getting authorization

17:50

and they registered to vote and they

17:52

actually voted in 2020 andor 2024. Three

17:57

have been arrested. I just want to say

17:58

this carefully. Three have been arrested

18:01

and one has been indicted. The one we

18:03

indicted, I want to just stop on this

18:04

guy for a minute. He's he's an Iraqi

18:06

national. Uh he voted in 2020 in New

18:09

York. He um went to prison for shooting

18:12

somebody. Shot some guy's hand off. Has

18:14

charged, if I remember correctly, 160 60

18:17

or $70,000 of benefits through Medicaid.

18:19

And has we think is now in Iraq because

18:21

he's active on his Facebook page and the

18:23

IP address is from Iraq. And credit to

18:25

our friends at HSI, our partners HSI,

18:28

and to DOJ for tracking this down. I got

18:30

to tell you guys, it's difficult,

18:31

laborious work. It really is. Um, but

18:34

think about that a minute. Is that the

18:35

tip of the iceberg, Antonio, do you

18:37

think? Or did you guys do a lot of

18:39

mining and a lot of digging to come up

18:41

with those four? How big of a magnitude

18:43

of an problem do you think this is? What

18:45

What's your What's your intuition tell

18:46

you honestly right now about whether

18:48

there's massive voter fraud or not?

18:51

Great question and I want to be careful

18:53

I answer it. Um, I'm going to leave the

18:56

data. So, I'm not leaving the data and

18:57

I'm entering the area of my opinion,

18:59

which is what you're asking me. My

19:01

opinion is and actually let me step back

19:03

and tell you what we did a second and

19:04

then take my opinion. We are sampling by

19:07

hand. Um so when you say data mining,

19:10

we're not mining. We're actually like

19:12

pick and shovel going into like by hand.

19:14

This is not mechanized. There's no AI

19:16

being applied. There's we're using SQL

19:18

queries. Okay. You're literally pulling

19:19

one literally snapping a name out of the

19:21

work authorization database DHS checking

19:24

that against the voter role and have to

19:25

go run it down to the state. Super

19:27

laborious. Okay. So, um, with that in

19:30

mind, my opinion is that this is the tip

19:33

of the iceberg. How big the iceberg is,

19:35

I don't know, and I don't want to

19:37

speculate cuz I think it it would be,

19:38

um, not that I think we can do at this

19:40

moment. I think we'll have more data

19:41

over time, but for sure, if we can

19:43

sample out of a database, uh, and it

19:45

takes an engineer about a day to find

19:47

20-ish cases. So, what DOJ asks for was

19:49

20 10 to 20 cases per state. It just

19:52

give you a sense of of of what's

19:53

happening. It takes an engineer about a

19:54

day to find 10 to 20 cases per state in

19:57

sampling. That gives you an idea of how

19:59

you know how many there are, right? Um

20:02

that's that's going on. Are you shocked

20:04

that people don't care about this more?

20:07

I'm I'm shock I think people really do

20:09

care. Should we be should we care more?

20:11

Yeah. Yes. Well, yes. I want to separate

20:12

the questions. Uh I think people care

20:14

more. My guess is everyone here cares a

20:16

lot. Okay. A lot about this. I think for

20:18

some reason the news media doesn't care

20:20

more now. Should you care? Yes. You

20:22

know, there's this idea like it's there

20:24

always a little bit of fraud. It's

20:25

pervasive. We should just it's not a big

20:27

deal. Wrong. Here's the reality. Every

20:30

vote that is cast illegally in America

20:33

nullifies the vote of an American

20:34

citizen. It is your constitutional right

20:36

to vote in America. And if we don't have

20:38

a zero defect system, we are violating

20:41

your constitutional rights. And I will

20:42

tell you, you deserve, the American

20:44

public deserves that we strive for a

20:46

zero defect system, right? We make

20:48

medical devices in America with a zero

20:50

defect system. Yeah. We shouldn't make

20:51

votes with zero system. If we don't

20:53

strive for a zero defect system, we will

20:55

get a lot more fraud. This is why the

20:57

real idea is so important. We should

20:58

strive for this. And it doesn't matter

21:00

if it's one vote. It's easily solved

21:01

with the last 15 states that don't

21:04

require voter ID to simply do that. And

21:06

that would pretty much end this debate,

21:08

I think. I mean I well I want to tell

21:11

you uh there are states that do require

21:12

ID. I think real ID will solve it

21:14

because real one of the things our

21:16

engineers are building and it it was

21:17

already there but they're making it

21:18

they're cleaning up making it work

21:19

properly is a thing called save. There's

21:21

a database called save that is uh

21:23

available to the states um in the bot

21:25

administration. They raised the price I

21:26

think about a dollar an API call to $3

21:29

and change the API call and all the

21:31

states stopped you stopped using it.

21:32

Save is a database that has um the

21:35

actual citizenship data for the entire

21:37

country. Okay. We we're cleaning up now

21:39

and making the the actual UI much

21:41

better. If the states have Real ID and

21:44

they use save, you would solve this

21:45

problem. And I I I I cannot understand

21:49

why a state would not do this. Whose

21:52

decision would it be to just change the

21:53

cost of that API? So great question,

21:56

Chimath. We the Secretary of Homeland

21:59

Security, I want to thank her, Secretary

22:01

Gnome, has just signed a memo, a policy

22:04

memo to make it free. Yeah. Why is there

22:06

a charge anyway? It doesn't make any

22:08

sense to me. Yes. Yeah. Very simple. Uh

22:10

signature always made this free. Your

22:12

parents I know your dad is an immigrant.

22:14

My parents are both immigrants. Both

22:15

immigrants. Two immigrants sitting here.

22:17

My mother came here without speak

22:18

English. Yeah. Um so to be clear pick

22:21

me. Me too. You're an immigrant. Also an

22:24

immigrant. Seventh generation. No. Which

22:25

one does it fit? I don't know. Who's

22:27

not? Is it Oh, Jason. Who do you think?

22:29

Seventh generation. I'm the all-in

22:31

presidential candidate by

22:33

default. Um so I don't know. You're from

22:36

Mount Olympus, though. Yes. Yeah. Um and

22:39

the five points, but um how should

22:42

immigration work in this country? You

22:45

know, we've talked about it on our pod,

22:46

the point-based system, etc. We still

22:48

want immigration. We need highskilled

22:50

immigration. We talked to President

22:51

Trump about that. He said he was

22:53

committed to giving people green cards

22:55

who have diplomas. And this is a little

22:58

out of your uh purview, but just how do

23:01

you how does Antonio Gracios feel about

23:04

immigration? You know, deporting people,

23:06

you know, deporting people with maybe

23:08

less due process than maybe some of us

23:10

are comfortable with. What do you think

23:12

we should be doing here as a country?

23:14

There's a lot in that question. So,

23:16

look, I'm a enormous fan of immigration.

23:18

I mean, I you will not find a guy who's

23:19

more pro immigration than I am. Um

23:22

because my parents are immigrants. um

23:24

they came here with nothing and built a

23:26

life and I am the American dream and I'm

23:28

so grateful this country for my what

23:29

it's done for my family you won't find

23:31

it I am so grateful this country was it

23:34

has been great for us okay um and for

23:37

all of you the reality is that we need

23:40

thank

23:41

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23:41

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23:46

you American GDP is simply the function

23:50

of number of people working times

23:51

productivity we We have 7 million job

23:54

openings roughly in America. We need

23:55

people to work. Yes, this is this is the

23:57

reality. The the system should very

24:00

simply be there's a skilled immigration

24:02

group and we figure out what that should

24:04

be, what jobs you want. We and by the

24:06

way, America is the best place to live

24:07

in the world. We all know that. I

24:09

believe that if we make this easy, uh

24:12

they will come, right? No problem. And I

24:14

think there's broad in that. We also

24:15

need um labor. We do. Our farm, our

24:19

farmers need labor, need labor in the

24:21

food industry, restaurants, etc. I think

24:23

there should be both high-end skilled

24:25

immigration, and there should be a very

24:26

sensible program for unskilled labor,

24:28

uh, a work permit program, and you we've

24:31

got that H2A program. There there is an

24:33

there is the H2A program. I will tell

24:34

you, uh, these programs, I mapp the

24:36

entire system now. Um, they go from DHS

24:39

to State Department to labor. They're

24:41

very disconnected and they're they're

24:44

hard to manage. So, we are we are going

24:46

to work on this. One of the things we're

24:47

going to work on and hopefully leave

24:48

behind is both a sensible answer to the

24:50

illegal problem and a sensible answer to

24:52

the legal problem. It's very important

24:53

to the team working on this. They work

24:55

on this is like super important for

24:57

Trump's administration because there

24:58

seems to be a bit of a I don't want to

25:00

call it a civil war, but heated debate

25:03

internally between people like yourself

25:05

and Elon and others who believe

25:07

immigration is critical and then other

25:09

people who just want to lock the border

25:10

and deport 20 million people. Steve,

25:12

I'll call the Steve Banning camp. He's

25:14

not in the administration clearly.

25:15

Locking the borders. I want to be clear

25:16

on this something. I don't believe in

25:18

open borders. Yeah. When a country opens

25:20

it border, this country sees its

25:22

sovereignty. Yes. You have you have to

25:24

have a closer. You have to have a border

25:25

that is control. Um that doesn't mean

25:27

you shouldn't have legal immigration,

25:28

right? It should be it should be a

25:30

proper process um where people can come

25:32

in that are great for the country and

25:33

they believe in our values and they

25:35

should have a chance to become citizens

25:36

if they believe in our values, support

25:37

our country. I really hope that you guys

25:38

work this out and can have a positive

25:40

influence like you've had with Doge on

25:41

the administration and really work on

25:43

this one which is sensible, kind, you

25:46

know, empathetic uh immigration. Y

25:49

because you're all immigrants. I mean,

25:50

the values I set for our team, I just

25:52

tell you the valor execution values are

25:54

focus, intensity, and discipline. I

25:56

added a fourth value here to our team

25:58

for our team. Compassion. Yes. Antonio,

26:00

I just want and I want anyone else to

26:02

join me in saying, look, you're a

26:04

successful, wealthy, um, incredibly

26:07

handsome, handsome man. That's the best

26:09

part. But, uh, like I I know the work

26:11

you're doing super hard. We talked

26:13

backstage about how hard it's been. I

26:14

just want to honestly say as an

26:16

American, thank you for the work you're

26:17

doing. And

26:20

well, thank you,

26:21

bro. All right. Thanks to my friend

26:24

Antonio Gracias for joining us and

26:26

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