People are charging $5,000 a month per

customer to build and manage agents for

them. This is a startup idea I wish more

people would do. The customer doesn't

touch tokens or models or any

infrastructure. They just get a digital

employee that knows their business and

it gets better every single week. In

this episode, Nick from Orgo breaks down

exactly how to build this business, the

tools, [music]

the stacks, how to onboard a customer in

30 days, in app and how to actually sell

to busy executives, agencies, and law

firms. We also share the full

implementation playbook, Hermes, Claude

Code, memory layers, skills, all of it.

This type of episode isn't shared

anywhere on the internet. This is the

alpha that people keep for themselves.

I'm giving it to you for free. Enjoy the

episode and I can't wait to see what you

build.

>> [music]

>> I couldn't be more excited to have Nick

from Orgo back on the pod. Nick, by the

end of this episode, what are people

going to get out of it? Craig,

everyone's going to learn not only how

to run a solopreneur

agent business, but every

every gap, everything that they're going

to do wrong from the beginning. I'm

going to save them all the time from

having to learn from my from from from

those mistakes that I made along the way

and

at the end of this video, you're going

to know what what offer to bring to the

market, how to get customers, how to

fulfill, what's the stack for the agents

that you're going to build out, and

yeah, I'm excited to just dive right in.

So, So, Nick, this isn't going to just

be like a pie in the sky, I want a

billion-dollar idea here. This is how

you can take advantage of AI agents to

build a business that maybe does a few

million dollars a year, but not just not

just the idea, right? You're going to

actually share all the tactics from A to

Z, so that by the end of this episode,

someone could

obviously like and comment and

subscribe, but you know,

uh go go and start one of these

businesses, right? Exactly. And like, I

think the big thing is for everyone

who's watching the pod, you're probably

already affluent with AI, and you don't

give yourself enough credit. And the

amazing thing is like 99% of the world

has, you know, there's like many people

are so behind on AI, and you you may not

realize how valuable your skill set is.

Like, oh, if you can set up Claude code,

if you can set up Hermes agent, if you

can set up open claw, that's a very

valuable skill that a lot of businesses

don't have time for, and you can

monetize that. So.

All right, I'm intrigued. Let's go. All

right. So, let me start by I'll share my

screen.

Okay, so let's just dive right in. Let's

go into the offer. So, um when you're

starting a one-person agent business,

you need to have you need to remove all

the friction for your customers. Um they

don't want to think about tokens. They

don't want to think about computer

infrastructure, security, you know,

breaking it when it it, you know, fixing

it when it breaks. They they just want

it to work. And so, the biggest thing is

you need to create abundance in your

offer. And what I have found in in my

own personal uh success with this is

offering unlimited agents, unlimited

usage, unlimited monitoring, support,

security, ongoing changes, etc.

And the key here is you might flinch,

cuz you're like, well, how how how do

how's that even feasibly possible? Well,

the way to do this is to realize

the point it's not that the customer's

going to actually need unlimited agents.

They're they're not going to need

unlimited tokens. But they might they

might think they do and in reality they

might think they need five agents, 10

agents, 100 agents.

When really one, two, maybe three agents

goes such a far away and you can get a

lot of juice for squeeze out of just

properly taking the time to set, you

know, one or two of these up. And that's

where your, you know, that's how you're

going to essentially like control your

costs. You're not spending too much

money on tokens and you're going to

charge 5K a month for this and this is

the the offer that I've been running and

it's been working really well.

And yeah, like customers don't really

need as many agents as they might think

they need.

And you're just going to show them as

quickly as possible

the magic behind it.

So,

this is the offer that I've been running

off the rip. And

I guess I'll I'll read a little bit of I

wrote some of this stuff down. The big

thing here is the point is not that the

customer needs infinite agents. They

don't need infinite tokens or infinite

computers. Most customers they just need

one, maybe two, maybe three. They just

need a seamless experience. Like that is

what you as, you know, as your business

as as the solopreneur agents agency,

you're going to come in and you're just

going to remove all the friction.

And the minute that things start to

break, like the business owners that

you're going to be selling to, they're

going to become so reliant, so dependent

on these agents that if something does

start to break, it is very painful for

them. And so in this video like I want

to make sure that I help you make it

very clear on how to prevent those those

those fall gaps so that when something

breaks you have something in a way to

fix it before they even realize it. And

yeah, if if a customer, if they want

constant improvements, how do you keep

up? How do you fulfill? We're going to

be going through all of that in this

video.

Cool.

Yeah, so I mean my big takeaway from

this is you're selling an AI employee,

you're not selling an AI agent.

People need less agents than they

actually think that they need. And you

want to think about unlimited

You know, you don't want to use the word

tokens basically at all.

Um

And you shouldn't really worry too much

about usage.

Exactly. Exactly. Because for them it's

just it ruins the magic. The minute you

say like oh, like you're going to be

paying for X amount of credits and then

they're always going to be wondering

like oh, how many credits do I have

left? And then you're going to be like

oh, and then it's usage-based

afterwards. It's like the more clarity,

the more simplicity you can create in

the offer that it's just straightforward

and easy, the faster time to yes, the

faster you can get building and the

faster you can just, you know, have a

happy customer. So.

Um

Yeah. That's the offer so far. And so

then the key here is you want to go

vertical. So as always, you want to

clarify you're not a commodity, you're

not just selling

um you know, Claude code. You're not

just selling ChatGPT. You're You're

selling a like a vertically specific,

industry-specific agent. Um you're doing

it fast. It shouldn't take longer than

48 hours to get up and running with the

first agent for your customer. And you

need to talk in terms of time, not not

time saved, but actually outcomes for

the business. So like how much revenue

can you generate for the business or how

much, you know, always always business

outcomes rather than time saved. I feel

like time saved is a little

overused and and people are kind of

immune to that these days.

Um

So that's the offer. It's pretty simple.

And I'll just dive into like what we're

seeing in terms of our own experience of

like running this offer. I believe that

as a one-person business, you can sell

these agents into industries and really

just kind of be not only selling the

agents, but also just creating clarity

around AI. Like I think if you're

watching this pod, you understand AI

pretty well. You probably have a better

understanding than most people, and you

might not give yourself enough credit of

how valuable that is.

Um

and to be the person who can create

clarity around all the noise right now,

that alone is valuable. And and then to

be able to couple that with the tools to

help solve problems in these businesses,

it's like

you you you're going to become so so

irreplaceable for the business that um

yeah, it's really just going to be like

you and the agents are going to be what

drives the value.

Um so I have some industries here.

In red, I have health care and finance

because I don't think that these are

necessarily the best industries to start

off in. They're very high regulatory um

burdens and and red tape. And so um I

actually recommend these other

industries that we're seeing work really

well, which is marketing agencies, law

firms, insurance agencies,

manufacturers, wholesalers, and real

estate agencies.

Um

The reason for these industries that you

might notice is that they're relatively,

you know,

I would say maybe like legacy

industries, not not not necessarily

like, you know, new fast-growing

industries, but they want to be

fast-growing. They want to adopt AI. And

they want they have a lot of pain to be

able to use it as a tool to

essentially just grow their business.

The common pattern with all of them is

they want to be a full-stack AI company.

Meaning they want to be like fully

automated with AI. That's the dream

outcome.

We're not there yet. Um

but you can certainly come in and start

solving the problems from the executive

level, and then it will ripple its way

throughout the rest of the uh the

business.

Um

and I'll dive in on some of the common

patterns, but um how we feeling so far?

Yeah, I think

those are all people businesses. So,

there's a lot of people. When you have a

lot of people,

there's a lot of waste in terms of

efficiency and there's ways to automate

things. That's one. Two is

those uh

a lot of these companies want to be AI

native is another way to say what you're

saying,

but they don't know how. They might have

pieces of their companies that have

become AI native.

They might work with Deloitte. They

might work with, you know,

different, you know, AI transformation

agencies, but, you know,

to assume that these companies are 100%

AI native

is

insane because they're not.

And then the last thing here is

these categories are large, right? Like

law, that's really large. Insurance

agency, that's really large.

Manufacturing, that's large.

Wholesalers, large. The key here is once

you've identified

a category that you want to go after,

then you have to figure out what is the

subcategory or sub niche that I want to

go after. It's too hard to just focus on

wholesalers. But, whole you know, the

way to think about it from a framework

perspective is,

you know, pick a category and then uh

you can you can do like, you know, real

estate agencies in Florida. So, that's

like, you know, a geography is one way

to do it. Or you can pick a

specific type of real estate, uh

you know, professional.

So, it could be commercial real estate,

you know, agencies in Florida. So,

there's there's different ways to think

about how you can

niche down. And that's going to be

really key here because if you want to

create an irresistible offer,

uh you know,

a big way to get the attention of

someone is to be like, "Oh my god, this

person is really speaking to me."

Exactly. And honestly, like even a

little bit of a like some maybe some

contrarian advice from my end is like

you don't have I

I have a feeling as though you don't

have to start super niche from the

beginning. In fact, you can always niche

down after trying a marketing agency,

trying a law firm, trying all these

different industries, seeing what works

well for you, where the market pulls

you, and then going super vertical. But,

um I really love like the concept of

like it's a design thinking principle of

diverge and then converge. So, like you

know, try a try many different things as

long as it's not, you know, too for too

long cuz you don't want to get into this

constant um cycle of trying something

new and, you know, you never get to

focus. But, once you find the thing that

clicks for you, whether it's you're able

to resonate with the audience really

well or you're just getting pulled into

that market more, like yeah, go super

niche, go sub niche, and use that as

your wedge to kind of like infiltrate

the rest of the market. Um

yeah, I think that's spot-on.

So, and then as far as the common things

that we're seeing, right? So, with all

these industries, what you'll find is

the people you're going to jump on calls

with, the people that are going to

likely be the decision makers and the

ones purchasing your service or your

productized service, these are the

executives, these are the decision

makers. And when you abstract on all

these industries,

the decision maker at the end of the day

has very similar problems, no matter

what the industry is. They have too many

emails, too many meetings, too many

follow-ups, too many open loops. They

have context over so many different

projects and places and people to keep

track of.

And so just out of the gate, if you can

anticipate this, you can have something

that you put together that, you know,

maybe from a template perspective solves

a lot of these issues. And then you can

cater more specifically into that niche,

into that vertical for that industry.

Uh, if it's a if it's a a law firm and

you have a partner who wants to buy your

services,

um, you can have all of these things out

of the blocks for your agents that you

set up, which I'll show you how to do

also in this video. And

and and then you could also cater it for

that particular industry. So, oh, yes,

we have a agent that does, you know, um,

you know, following uh, following up

with people, projects, etc., but it also

manages your cases, it does demand, um,

demand letters for your law firm, it

does, um, all the different things and

skills that you would need for for, you

know, um, maybe a matrimonial law firm,

for instance. So,

that's the uh, abstraction layer on no

matter what, you're going to be solving

a lot of executive problems, and then

the key is to layer in uh, vertical

specific solutions as well.

Um,

okay, so there's that. That's the

market. So, we talked about the offer,

we talked about the market.

And I have some side things as well

about like

how to get customers. At the end of the

day,

um,

I think everyone should make content.

>> [laughter]

>> I think if you if you if you can jump on

a call, this is just a little tidbit, if

you can jump on a call with somebody and

they know who you are and what you sell

without you having to tell them and

they're warm to begin with,

that's the ideal position to be. You

never want to be in a position where

you're, you know, having a cold call.

You never want to sell to a cold

audience. And, um, you know, in the

beginning, you might have to, so, you

know, starting for free even is

sometimes worth it just to get case

studies and get referrals. But um

content is like overpowered in 2026. So,

I do recommend that. I mean

that's how we met, you know, it's like

it's like midnight, can't fall asleep.

I'm like doom scrolling Instagram, I see

Nick's face pop up showing me, you know,

how to use open claw and I was like this

is a guy who has some sauce and I need

to have him on the podcast.

So

the other thing about creating content

is not only is it helpful in terms of

getting your face in front of customers

or or your offer in front of customers,

but it also helps you you know, get

known, get on podcasts, hire the right

people. So, there's there's a lot of

advantages in an AI world when you can

use AI to automate a lot of the research

and a lot of the um just help you know,

the editing and things like that.

Just do it. Like I hate to say it, just

just do it. You got to just do it. It's

just like it's the most leveraged thing

you can do. It's like content and then

if you think of other like leverage

things, it's like okay, AI or you could

also have leverage with talent and

software, but um

yeah, it's it's it's incredible and I

think like the trend of 2026 is

content is king

and

and I'll tell you a little bit of a

tidbit as we go into this next segment,

but I don't know about you, Greg. I've

been going on walks and what I'll do is

I'll go on a walk and I'll I'll send off

a long

um horizon task to my agent via

Telegram. I have my own, you know,

Hermes agent is what I use these days.

And

it's I'm just like I'm just in awe with

what the world we live in today. Like

how amazing I can go on a walk and

there's work being done on for for

business and on customers and you know,

for their agents by my agents. And I'm

just like, if you extrapolate that over

the next 6 months, 12 months, like

the the most leveraged thing you could

do is post a piece of content that

reaches a lot of people and then have

this robot that helps you fulfill for

the thing that you're providing as you

go on a walk or you right before you go

to bed or when you wake up. It's just

It's amazing. It's an incredible world

we live in. So, um yeah, let's dive into

this stack, shall we? How do we build

these things?

Okay, so as far as the tools that you

might need to fulfill for your service

of, you know, providing agents for

businesses, um first and foremost, I use

Granola. I love Granola. I use it for

every meeting. They have an MCP, you

know, you can give it to your agent and

then it just has context over

everything. And what I do is these

meeting notes from Granola, they

automatically get synced into our

requests on Trello.

Um and so Trello is the customer-facing

um like essentially project management

um Kanban board that I use. And so, you

know, there's a backlog list, there's a

to-do list, there's a doing list,

there's a a done list, and the customer

can just simply drag and drop what they

want into the to-do list for, oh, I want

my agent to be connected to

um my calendar. I want it to have access

to this other platform. I want it to

create content for me. And they can just

add these requests at um one at a time.

And the key here is

these agents can at this point do so

many different things. They could do so

many things that um you almost need to

create, you know, prevent scope creep

by, you know, limiting one to two

requests in under 48 hours

because there's a lot and you could do a

lot, but you just need to be careful

that you don't, you know, end up

drowning in a fulfillment nightmare.

Um, so that's why Trello's helpful in

terms of scoping.

Loom is awesome. Your customers are

going to want you to send them updates,

you know, send an update at 2:00 a.m.,

send an update at, you know, different

times of the day of you implementing new

things for the agent and whether you

improve the memory or you improve the

the Obsidian Vault that it's it's

operating off of off of.

Um, Loom is awesome. And then I just use

like Calendly link. Like I have a

horrible funnel.

But you can do you can do a lot of

um

you can get a lot of bookings. Just

Calendly link, personal website, drive

traffic there, create content. Um, these

are like pretty much the customer-facing

tools. And then I have

I don't know about you, Greg. Do you use

Do you use Superhuman?

The email tool? Yeah. I I don't, but

people tell me I should. Oh my god. I If

you If you have a lot of emails, you're

going to have a lot of emails with

customers, oh man, it's Superhuman is

amazing. It has a bunch of shortcuts. I

love keyboard shortcuts. And you just

fly through emails.

Um

and it's not like it's AI generated.

Like it makes you write the email and

you have AI help you, but it's just a

very focused uh focused platform. And

then lastly, Asana. I use Asana for

internal facing. So not customer facing,

you know, if I want to keep track of

some specifics or uh details of of what

needs to be done. Um,

yeah, that's the that's the software

stack.

Um

Okay, let's dive into the the agent side

of things now. So

for building agents, the irony here is

if you don't know how to build an agent,

please don't worry.

I got you.

We're going to use agents to build

agents.

Um,

and so Claude code, they have a new

desktop app. It's awesome.

Open AI's Codex, they have a new uh

desktop app. It's awesome.

And you can actually use these to build

the agents for your customer.

Um, and as far as what agents to use,

you have a couple options. You're not

going to sell Claude code to your

customer. You could, or Codex. I mean,

you could.

But I highly recommend using Hermes

these days. I find it to be the most

reliable. Um, it allows you to pick any

model. The reasoning here is

tomorrow there's going to be a new model

that comes out. It's going to be

infinitely cheaper and it's going to be

Opus 4.7 level intelligence and it's

like, you just want to have the

flexibility to quickly switch whatever

the agent that you're running it uh

whatever model it's running. Be able to

switch that quickly and you don't want

to be married to a platform, married to

a tool, married to a

an infrastructure. So,

um Hermes, I really like. Have you

played around with Hermes at all? I I

think I saw some videos. Yeah, yeah, I

have. Um

I haven't, you know, quite made the

shift yet.

Uh but uh I've done an episode on it

with my friend Imran. So, go check it

out if people are interested in learning

about how to set up Hermes.

We called it Hermes cuz we're fancy like

that in the episode and then we got

you know, the team at or Hermes, you

know, quickly corrected us.

They did? Oh, wow. I I like Hermes.

Yeah, Hermes is a little more fancy. If

you if you sell Hermes agents, you can

charge 10K a month. Exactly. So, uh open

clause commoditized it already, you

know. It's 5K a month. It's okay. So,

you pick your harness here. So,

this is, you know, the agent that you'll

sell and you need a place for that agent

to live. You can use something like

Hostinger, you can use Origo, you can

use

whatever. Um,

I obviously I'm biased um but Orgo is

really nice because in one workspace you

can have all your agents, have your

agent managing their agents and I'll

dive into all of this

and getting set up. And then lastly

you need the tools for the agents. So

some things out of the box that I

install for every agent no matter what

outside of just giving them a computer

and the ability to use it is Composio.

Have you heard of this company Composio?

I have but can you give a one-liner for

folks who haven't heard of it heard of

them?

This company allows you to this

connector they they allow you to have

one connector one MCP essentially that

connects to thousands of other apps

whether it's Gmail, Slack, Notion what

have you. And with one connection you

can manage you can have access to all

the tools that you would need to send an

email via Gmail or push something via

GitHub or pull a message via Slack.

It's incredible and it handles the tool

the tool calling and the authentication

which is huge because security is like

the biggest challenge with setting up

these agents like

by far the biggest time sink is getting

authentication set up for the customer

cuz you have to uh what's your username

and password for this and then

if you email it it's like not secure so

then you use something like Composio

done.

So it handles that and then it handles

security in that sense as well

everything's managed through their

platform and then it manages

handles the tool call. So if you have

Composio set up with all the connectors

you can just take that one connector

take it to any agent and it has all the

same connectors. So I really like this

company I don't have any affiliation but

I love their product. Um

really great.

Next up is agent mail.

This one is I give every agent uh, an

email.

It adds a nice personal touch. So,

um, you know, let's say you're you're

you're an executive, I give you an

agent, you name it Mia,

and Mia needs Mia needs her own email.

Agent mail allows you to give Mia an

email so that she can send or receive

emails, and that's really fun cuz it's

it turns into like truly like a personal

assistant.

And then lastly, Obsidian.

Um, you have a video on Obsidian it did

really well. Obsidian super important

because at the end of the day these

agents need context, and the more

context you can provide in a nicely

wiki-styled structured format and

markdown files for the agent,

um, it will really just thrive in terms

of understanding projects, people,

things that you're doing, so on and so

forth. So, um, this is the stack, and as

far as models, like as final touch

around models, um, today, by far the

best model to use for something like a

Hermes agent or an open claw, is GPT

5.5.

Um,

it's so efficient with the tool calls,

it doesn't eat through tokens like Opus

4.7 from Anthropic does, um, and and

OpenAI is very generous around letting

you use your paid plan uh, with with

with any model like with any harness

like like Hermes or or open claw, and

then, um, and you just get a lot of

usage out of it. So, I recommend 5.5. If

you want to use open-source models that

are a little more affordable for

lightweight tasks, uh, GLM 5.1 from Z AI

is, in my experience, like the best

open-source model to be using. Kimmy

comes in on a on a close second,

uh, and these are both more affordable.

Uh, and then

Opus 4.7 finally, if you have some long

horizon coding task, um, Opus 4.7 is

really great for that and

you can actually have your agent

connect to Claude code and be able to do

these long coding tasks in Claude code

and then bring that back to the agent.

So,

tidbit there.

I want I don't know if you can do this

real quick, but could you give a

one-liner on because people are going to

sorry, let me take a step back. People

are going to look at this list and

they're going to be like, "Oh my god, I

don't know if I should I should use

Codex or if I should use Claude code or

if I should use Open Claude or if I

should use

Hermes, should I use Hosting or should I

use Orgo or should I use this or should

I use Can you go and just quickly, you

know, what's NYX stack and like with a

one-liner of why you use that tool over

the other tool?" Yeah.

Codex because it's more generous and

it's simplest and they have the best

desktop app. Hermes because it doesn't

break and it's self-evolving. Open

Claude is not as self-evolving.

Orgo because we give your agent a

computer so it can live in the computer,

it can operate the computer.

We're not just a headless VPS server in

the cloud

and I'll dive in on that.

Composio, you need this. Everyone needs

this.

Agent mail, everyone needs this.

Obsidian, everyone needs this

and then

>> Wow, that's a hot take by the way.

Obsidian, everyone needs this. Oh, yeah.

>> Yeah,

good just I mean, explain why you should

use Obsidian over say Notion.

So, here's my Obsidian vault

and

Greg, I I've been I've been building

this vault since November of 2025. Agent

I mean,

what do you How do you How do you say?

Um

when something's outdated

like super old. 2025 is forever ago, you

know? Um so, I've been building this

vault since 2025 November, before Open

Law, before Hermes. And it has

everything about people, projects,

everything.

And I'm so crazy,

I have

uh a limitless microphone.

Even that, daily transcripts get pulled

from that into here.

Um

this is genuinely a second brain. Like

Like people say Obsidian that's a second

brain and then

okay, they they show it. Okay, that's

kind of cool. They use it for some

research. No, no, no. This is a second

brain. And when you have something like

this, it is quite literally

you get to experience what personal

AGI might feel like uh in the next 3 to

6 months

uh from now. I'm sure everyone will

experience it, but I feel like I'm

getting to experience it sooner because

I just have such well-organized

uh markdown files.

Um

It's incredible. It's incredible. So,

it just gives your agents context on

what it needs to know given any given

tasks. And it feels like it just never

forgets and it understands you.

Um

And I think that's at the end of the day

like we just want an agent that

understands us and

helps us with our business and and just

has perfect context over everything we

do. So,

Enough said.

Yeah. And then 5.5 is the best. I would

just use 5.5 to make it easy. Yeah, GPT

5.5.

So,

as far as that's the stack,

um

now, in Orgo, we give the agent a a

computer to live in. Greg, let me invite

you to this.

Um

All right, so I just invited you, Greg,

into this workspace in Orgo. And we're

just going to quickly spin up a computer

here.

And I'm going to spin up a computer. I'm

going to say

um

Greg's computer.

I'm going to launch it.

And it launches pretty fast with really

fast desktops. Um,

and now that we're in this workspace

here, in this computer,

I can now install the agent inside of

it, actually. So, the agent can live

inside of here. So, if it's Open Claw,

if it's Hermes agent in this case, it

will live inside of this environment.

And, um,

the key here is, regarding to getting

set up,

we have an Orgo MCP that is what I

use for for setting up agents. And that

little story I told earlier about going

on a walk and be able to get work done

on a walk, it's because my agent

is using a Orgo MCP to connect to my

customers' agents that live on Orgo.

And so, what ends up happening is Orgo

is like this workspace

where my agent and other agents and

myself can all collaborate on these

computers where these agents live and

get them set up and configure that way.

Um,

so,

here I have a, um,

I don't know if can you see my Telegram

chat?

Yep.

I had my agent last night, actually. I

kicked off a task. I told it to, uh, go

ahead and build out some CLI and skills

for, uh, for for Orgo. Um, but I'll

start a new chat here and I can actually

just tell the agent,

um,

I'll grab the computer ID from Orgo. So,

let's grab this computer ID.

And

I can give this computer ID to the

agent.

And I'll say, "Set this computer

on Orgo up.

Um,

computer ID quoted here.

Let's install Hermes

agent into the VM."

So,

the reason why I tell everyone not to

get stressed out or scared about setting

up these agencies,

you really just need another agent to

set it up. In my case, I'm using another

Hermes agent to set up

a Hermes agent.

In another case, you could

I'll spin up another computer here. In

another case, you can literally install

something like Claude Code into a VM on

Orgo.

And you can actually just run Claude

Code from the terminal here and tell

Claude Code in natural language, "Hey,

let's set up Hermes agent." Um so, just

real quick, you know, you go Claude Code

install command

for Linux.

You find that real quick.

And you just run this in the terminal

here and you would literally install

Claude Code, run it from here, and have

it install Hermes into this VM.

Um

So, the answer to all of our problems,

Greg, is that

more agents is the answer. Uh if you're

confused on how to set something up,

have your agent do it.

Um

And yeah, so I'm just going to install

Claude Code here.

It's going to get that going.

And we'll be off to the races.

This will be a dumb question,

but why are we

doing virtual computers versus doing

local computers? You know, buying Mac

minis and and doing that whole thing.

It's actually a very, very good

question. And the reason is we want the

ability to

work on our customers' computers from

where we're at. And if you are using a

Mac mini,

k-

I can't even imagine the nightmare of

having to go in person and, you know,

debug something that's like at a

hardware level or

um something on the Mac mini breaks or

an update or or what have you.

Orgo gives you cloud computers to be

able to manage these agents. And um with

that, you can do so many more amazing

things both from a perspective of just

scaling your business, being able to

access all these agents on one platform,

via one connector, and have your agent

connect to all of them.

Um that's really like the biggest thing.

It's just from a fulfillment

perspective. Um

it is just like the easiest way. And

then also just a security perspective.

These are isolated cloud computers, and

you can delete them in under a second.

You can create a new one.

And with that, there's a lot more

sandbox environments that you could just

protect you and your customers from

uh like a blast radius that might

otherwise be

um more dangerous on a personal Mac

mini. So. And so say I have 100

customers. Am I creating like how am I

structuring that? Am I creating like

separate like projects with these

computers in it? Like what is from a

best practices perspective in terms of

security and just, you know, good UX,

how should people think about setting

that up? Yeah, so in this case, it would

be exactly like you said. Like I if you

were if you were a customer,

um I would just make a workspace for

your business, and I would say,

um you know, this is let's do a like

idea browser, right?

We would create this workspace, and each

each of your agents would live in this

workspace, and then I'd have other

workspaces for other customers, and I'd

be able to manage all of that, you know,

on on Orgo. Um

yeah, one platform.

Cool. Yeah, I think what's also cool

about this, just just how visual it is,

like

showing this to a customer and being

like, I know you think,

you know, it's not secure. You might

think it's not secure or you might

think, you know, but this is

you know, a visual sandbox environment,

right? Like it's just it feels like the

cell. Like you just like

You know, you talked about Loom before

but like showing looms of this, I think

it's just going to light people up.

Yeah, exactly. And also like you can

also

out of the box on Orgo like we have this

playground mode here. So like this is

our this is just all of the latest

models from, you know, Anthropic and and

Kimmi and and Chat GPT. And so as far as

a demo, when you tell a customer like,

"Oh yeah, like we can we can have an

agent like operate a computer and do do

things for you." And essentially you're

describing Hermes agent or you're

describing Open Claw. Even then they

they might have a hard time like

imagining like what what what does that

look like? What does that feel like? And

so when you just give it a computer,

you're able to just give it life and you

can tell them like you can say like,

"Hey, look up what is Idea Browser

and search it on Google."

And

this actually becomes like a really good

demo. Like

for for you and your customer like to be

able to show, "Look, oh, the agent is

controlling a computer

and it's doing research and it's doing

real work.

And you can just quickly show a demo in

Orgo. It's like super cool.

Um

This is cool. Yeah, like even me as like

a co-founder of Idea Browser, I'm like

looking at this and I'm like, "Yes."

Yeah.

Yeah, it's awesome. And and oh, we have

some I'm I'm I'm making Jordan some

agents. I don't know if he told you. I'm

making him some Idea Browser agents and

he's uh he's using them. He's stress

testing them. Um

but everyone needs agents. So it's um

yeah, it's really cool. And then as far

as the Telegram set up here like

you can see

my agent is literally using Orgo MCP to

get this Greg's computer set up right

now. And it's installing Hermes agent.

Um you know, part of this yeah, these

some of these things take time. It's

running a long process. It might take

5 10 minutes. So, I'm not going to bore

you by sharing that, but um the concept

of use agents to set up other agents,

it's very real. Um and I can also

dive into practices around that and how

to make sure that your agent knows how

to set up other agents. Um

yeah.

Does that sound good? Let's do that.

That sounds great.

So,

to have your agent have context of how

to set up other agents, it actually

needs I wish I would have added them

here. Um

a few MCPs go really far away. One of

them

is the Perplexity MCP.

Um

with Perplexity, you can give your

Claude code or Codex

uh real real up-to-date knowledge on

things like Hermes. And so, the key here

is like you always just want to have

any sort of setup process,

initialization process grounded in real

context of what is the docs for setting

up Hermes agents today and what how do I

connect my Hermes agent to iMessage? If

you have something like Perplexity, you

give your agent the ability to see how

to do that and be able to set it up

perfectly. Um Xa AI is another

great MCP tool for like real-time web

search.

Another big one actually is Context

Seven.

This one is awesome for getting

up-to-date docs from like GitHub from

like Hermes agents GitHub, so they they

can see specifically the docs of how to

get set up.

You just need some sort of context layer

to let to loop in the best practices and

up-to-date docs

um for setting up these agents. And kind

of like one final recommendation would

be the XMCP. So, Twitter released their

own MCP and I find so many amazing

setups on Twitter for open claw and

Hermes agents that there's many times I

just want to use

that context for setting up an agent for

a given task and you could actually use

this, give this to your Claude code or

give this to your Codex and have it

use this context to help help you set

things up

or you could use all of them, too. So,

I mean, is there any downside to using

all of them?

Um no, I I use all of them.

And so, like maybe even in here when you

look at my Telegram,

you might notice oh, I guess it's it's I

didn't ask it to to pull in up-to-date

context. Mine has skills already built

in place to be able to like set these

things up just cuz I do it so much, but

in general, like the more the merrier.

Like context is key and

I like to like have sub agents spawn.

I'll tell Codex like, "Hey, or Claude

code, hey, spawn five sub agents. One

sub agent for Perplexity, one for Exo,

one for Context.ai, one for Firecrawl,

one for

um

XMCP

cuz I like to pull from different

resources and then those all come back

to the main agent and we get the best

practices. So, that's how I do it.

Cool.

Let's see. Okay, so this here

is the

I should have ran this in the terminal

below, but I'll go ahead. I'll I'll just

run it in this terminal.

And what we're going to do here is

do that, run Claude.

Or you could just like spin up multiple

terminals. [laughter]

Yeah.

You can Oh, wait, let me see.

Okay, I think I just copy this here. So,

Okay.

Oh, command not found.

Okay, I'll I'll I'll I'll debug this

later.

Um

This is also why This is mainly why I

use the Orgo MCP. I'm just like I let my

agent do all the work. Um actually, you

can also come here into the playground

and say

install Claude code into this computer.

Um and just have our agent do it cuz I I

I'm

I don't want to debug what's going on in

the terminal right now. So, then just

have this agent do it um and do it that

way.

But yeah, once you have it set up from

here, like

I can now ask my Telegram agent. Um so,

I'll I'll stop this here.

You can just imagine, you know, when

that's done, your agent's set up. And

I'll start a new chat. And I'll ask

like, "How many Orgo VMs

do I have in my workspaces?"

And my Orgo claw

uh is able to actually manage all of my

customers' agents from, you know, just

this one agent. And it can upgrade, fix

things on the fly, you know,

and

all from one spot. Anywhere I'm at. Um

if I if I get an email from a customer

that uh something broke,

we can just send off an agent uh send

off a message to Orgo claw and have it

go fix it. Um

Boom. You can see here, 27 Orgo VMs

across your workspaces, all 27 shows

running.

And then it dives in onto all the

different customers and all their

agents.

Um

So, last point that I want to make

around getting these things set up is

the

uh watchdogs. So,

the gateways are what make these agents

connect to a platform like Telegram or a

platform like

WhatsApp and sometimes these gateways

crash. Open Claw

has a lot of gateway issues in my

experience. Hermes is a lot better.

Um and so a key here is you want to make

sure that you set up a um watchdog. You

could literally just tell your agent set

up a watchdog for whenever a gateway

crashes that it auto restores it. Um

that's super important just from, you

know, reliability perspective. A second

thing is you want to make sure that you

have some layer of observability or

alerts. So, I have agents email me

if I set up your agent, your Mia agent

and Mia has an email

Mia's Mia emails me from her email when

her cron job breaks or her skill failed

or something happened and I'm alerted

about it and I can go in and then debug

it and fix it

which is super valuable cuz once again,

for your customer, you don't want them

to have to worry about like

doing all this themselves. So,

um

make it as simple and easy as possible

handle everything tip to tail

and

yeah, I think

I guess like the big takeaway here is

it is hard to set up Cloud Code even.

Like people are like Cloud Code is is

going to kill Open Claw or Cloud Code's

going to kill Hermes agent. And in a

general sense, it's getting better at

doing a lot of these general things. But

to be able to go in and create a

specific agent for a specific industry

and person and have it tailored to their

workflow it's like

you're underestimating how much value

that is and you can really create a

lucrative business by yourself. Uh Uh,

and your agent building other agents for

other businesses. Um,

yeah, and I think it's an amazing time

to be a a solopreneur for this.

You can and you will. So, Nick, thank

you for

sharing the playbook for how to build a

one-person

agent-led business,

uh, sharing how to actually do it, um,

in such a clear way.

I love chatting with you because you're

you give the sauce, but you also explain

it super clearly.

Nick is a criminally under-followed

account on on social media.

Uh, he you know, he's getting some some

followers, but I think he can be I think

he needs to be bigger, so I'll include

links for where to find Nick

uh, in the show notes in the description

and uh,

Nick, I'll see you in a few weeks in San

Francisco and let's have a

let's have some coffee and have a good

time.

Thank you, Greg. Always a pleasure.

Thank you so much and um,

I I hope to yeah, I'm going to see you

soon. We're going to get some coffee.

We're going to we're going to do some

sipping time.

>> [laughter]

>> We're going to do some IRL sipping time,

which is my favorite. It's there's

there's nothing like it, you know, like

I actually have been trying to

cut down on my like Zoom meetings and

stuff like that. It's just there's not

There it is. There's nothing like

being in person, sharing ideas,

sipping,

and

uh,

and figuring out what

what we can be building in in in a time

like this because there's so much and

sometimes the hardest part is figuring

out the right idea, the right time, the

right playbook, the right steps, the

right order, and uh, this has been

helpful, Nick, and and definitely got my

great creative juices flowing, so I'm

sure others are very thankful as well.

So, thank you, Nick, and I will see you

next time. Thank you, Greg. Talk soon.