Welcome to a very special episode of the

standup. We are going to have a standup

that will end when this task of Ralph

ends in the background. It's just going

to keep on chugging along and we'll see

what it builds at the very end. Or this

podcast will end before it or it will

end afterwards. You know, it's just some

condition I put on there and we're not

really sure.

Uh anyways, sorry. This week we've

decided that the news cycle just not

that much fun. You know, going on

Twitter, it hasn't been the highlight of

my week. So therefore, we're going to do

something a little bit different, non-

techreated. What is your favorite video

game

>> or games? I mean, I don't want to

necessarily limit it to just one cuz

that's that's too hard.

>> Yeah, we don't need to do Oh, you know

what? Actually, honestly, that's usually

how we do that is you can't just give

like, hey, what's your favorite thing?

And you give like a couple answers. It's

like, no, what's your favorite? I didn't

ask what's like a handful of things. I

asked for your favorite.

>> Are we picking one?

>> Yeah. Favorite right now. So, it doesn't

have to be favorite of all time. So,

this is not like, "Oh, but Ocarina of

Time when I was 10 years old was the

most meaningful game I've ever played in

my lifetime, right?"

>> Okay.

>> Okay.

>> All right. Now that I know the rules,

that's easier.

>> All right. Now, I know Beegan, you've

traditionally been banned from video

games for the last like what decade at

this point. But what is your current

favorite video game?

>> Honestly, I've been playing Terraria

alone.

>> Okay.

>> Is this why you haven't been responding

to my DMs?

>> Yes.

>> Okay. All right. You're bad at food

poisoning Terraria. food.

>> It's just a quick

>> It is food poisoning in the room with us

right now.

>> What What is this game?

>> You've never played Terraria? It's 2D

Minecraft. It is amazing. It's 2D

Minecraft. Like you pick different

classes. It is actually

>> Have you ever played Minecraft?

>> Yeah, I hate Minecraft.

>> You hate Minecraft?

>> Minecraft's the only game that I get

motion sick from. It's the only game.

There's no other game that I get it

because it's the perspective is a little

bit off. All the squares are like this

slightly diamond shape and I've just

never been able to get used to

>> notch. I don't agree with that notch at

all. It's not his fault.

>> Oh, install any npm modules lately.

>> Why? Yes, I have.

>> Sorry. SORRY. REFERENCE TWITTER DRAMA.

MY BAD. MY BAD.

>> Already back to Twitter drama. Come on.

>> Yeah. My apologies. My apologies.

>> No, honestly, we should all I want to

actually plan a little session with the

squad here and play Terraria cuz you

play hardcore mode, you know, where you

die. But it's the classic thing. You dig

for materials, you build weapons, you

fight bosses, you build worlds,

>> but it's all like a platformer instead

of 3D. Is it like do you is there any

like skill in the platforming involved

or is it really just like we're digging,

we're doing stuff?

>> Incredible amounts of skill. Incredible.

>> Probably you wouldn't be able to do it.

>> Honestly, Prime

>> I know that won't work, but

>> Well, also there is an entire someone

built a 32-bit computer in Terraria,

which guys, there's actually a video of

Prime reacting that two years ago.

>> Yeah. Yeah.

>> So, you can build someone built a 32-bit

computer in this video game because they

actually give you all the

>> complete is 100%. No, they

>> No, they built a computer that's NOT TUR

COMPLETE.

WELL, I WAS GETTING AT LIKE, "DOES IT

actually work?" I was getting at, "Does

it actually work?"

>> Great question, Trash. Great question.

>> No, Trash. They made it a little easier.

They literally were like, "Cool. Here's

wires in every single gate." They just

They literally were like, "Here's

assembly." So, it's it's even it's

really, really easy. Also, I've been

using, this is crazy, but I've been

using uh chat GPT to design Terraria

circuit designs for me. Excellent. It

prints.

>> Is it actually good at it? I believe

that

>> it literally prints out exactly the

schematic. You tell it what it wants.

You tell it how you want it to evolve

it. It's really and literally the first

one worked right away and now I've been

going further. So if you want to build

So he built 32 bit computer so I'm

working on a 33bit computer.

>> Dang.

>> One up him. So yeah

>> I I don't even know what that means but

uh

>> well it has 33 bits.

>> It's one more bit prime. I have to say

just because people haven't been

following us around all week.

>> My favorite thing so far was we were

talking to Josh about 32bit float sound.

Yes.

>> And then I made the joke. I was like,

"Oh, well, I prefer 64. It has double as

many." And you just acted like that made

sense.

>> I Okay, so 32 * 64 is not You're so You

keep laughing again. 32 *

>> 32 * 2 is 64. Yeah, that was

>> Yep. You keep doubling it,

>> right? So why am I wrong?

>> No, no, no. 32 * 2 is 33.

>> Great point. 33.

>> Okay. Okay. A little Terrence Howard

math. Okay. Down for that. Okay.

>> Hey, for every reaction there's a

reaction. Hey guys, look up exponents in

your free time if you forgot it from

like fourth and fifth grade.

>> Hey, is that HTTP? Get that out of here.

That's not how we order coffee. We order

coffee via ssh terminal.shop. Yeah, you

want a real experience. You want real

coffee? You want awesome subscriptions

so you never have to remember again? Oh,

you want exclusive blends with exclusive

coffee and exclusive content? Then check

out Kron. You don't know what SSH is?

>> Well, maybe the coffee is not for you.

Terminal

coffee

in hand.

>> So, Terraria.

>> Yeah, Terraria is mine. I think honestly

I'm excited. I'm actually going to do a

little programming in Terraria this year

and I'm trying to also convey. So, you

guys got me saying Terraria. It's

Terraria.

>> Terraria.

Google. I'm trying to convince people.

>> Can we pause? You're saying you knew it

if he said Terraria, but you didn't know

it. I tried to look it up and I Googled

terrarium. So, it brought up like a

bunch of plants and I was like, "All

right, I don't know what that the game

is."

>> I play a plant game where I make virtual

terrariums.

>> By the way, Ralph says it's done. Uh,

>> okay. Great podcast.

>> 7 seconds. Great podcast, everybody.

I love Galactis. I'm very happy to be

here. Um, no, but seriously, with

Terraria, can you uh can you do like

plugins? So we could say plug in a

server and serve something off of like

serve something off of it and do all of

our programming in Terraria.

>> So we've got Okay, that's not how I do.

>> Good news. Good news and bad news. Okay,

you can't

>> good news and bad news. You can do mods.

>> Bad news, you have to do them in C#.

>> That's fine. There's something called

Chad Shippity that can write great C#

for me so I'll never have to learn it.

>> Oh, I didn't know I didn't know it knew

C# yet. That's awesome.

>> That Microsoft, remember the whole

Microsoft Open AI?

>> That's where they bought it. Okay. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah.

>> They've been preeding it with C

knowledge this whole time.

>> You can definitely fools.

>> Yeah.

>> And I also do think I've looked at some

of the mods. I think everyone out there

are like video game players who are

modding it. They haven't had like like

clinically insane programmers mod it

yet. So I think we're going to take it

to a pretty good level this year. So

>> Okay. I like that.

>> I would be I'd be okay. So with that in

with that in mind, this being your

favorite game right now, I would be down

to do like a week. Like what can you

build in one week?

>> Wait. So, it's whatever game we pick

Prime has to play for a week.

>> No, that's not what we're doing.

>> Okay. I was just wondering cuz I was

thinking I might change my answer.

>> Two anime girl feet picks on Nintendo. I

don't think so.

>> No, I was going to pick I'd have to

think about it more, but I didn't know

that was on the table. I was just

recalculating.

>> I'm just sitting here listening to this

and this seems like we could do a lot of

cool stuff with it. And so, it's just

like, okay, well, we have Twitch chat,

we have YouTube chat, we have a week.

What if we all sat down and said, "What

are we building? Can you save Terraria

games to get Can we find a way to do

version?

>> With code, all things are possible.

>> With through code, all things are

possible.

>> It's true.

>> Ex except for traveling salesmen. Um,

>> you could still do it. We just don't

know how to solve it efficiently.

>> Okay. A tough guy.

>> Sometimes.

>> Is that even Is that even Is that even

considered solve if you can never

actually see the answer?

>> Yeah.

>> Is a problem ever solved if no one sees

the answer?

>> Okay, now we're getting into philosophy.

>> That's next week's podcast.

>> That is going to be a great podcast next

week.

>> All right, Prime. What's your favorite

game? Uh right now my favorite game has

been Slay of the Spire. It's been Slay

of the Spire for the last six months.

It's the only like uh it's the only

outlet that I currently have that is

non-programming right now or family

related.

>> Can I be honest? The reason why he's

addicted to Slay the Spires is because

it's on his phone. We could get him on

Candy Crush. It's so easy and he would

be so addicted.

>> I have No. First off, I can't because

Candy Crush is too much luck. I hate

Candy Crush. I I I hate That's what a

noob would say.

>> Candy Crush is I played it like 10 years

ago. So yeah, I played it 10 years ago.

It was very, very frustrating. But the

reason why is that

>> Candy Crush was very frustrating.

There's a thousand grandmas and moms

playing it all day.

>> That's because, okay, I'm going to say

something that's going to sound really

mean now, but I'm just starting drama.

Even

>> I think that you have to have not a lot

going on upstairs to enjoy Candy Crush.

Okay, that's what I'm saying.

>> It's a It's a toilet game.

>> It's a toilet mind game.

>> It's a toilet mind game.

>> Wait, wait. So you guys play mindless

games in the toilet? That's when I do my

best thinking. I do my most I do

challenging video games in the toilet

such

>> as toilet. I like to usually pick my

civilization next turn on there because

usually right now where I'm at it takes

me 20 to 30 minutes to exactly choose

what to do over my whole turn. So

usually I can get out one turn when I'm

in there.

>> Why are you laughing at that? That's a

good

>> I you would be the absolute worst person

to play Civ with.

>> Okay, first of all, I play Civ a lot.

It's one of my other favorite games and

I'm really good

>> with humans or with computers. Okay. I

don't put a lot of other humans

>> just like Terraria.

>> Deacon strikes me as the one guy who

like when it's his turn, everyone gets

up and makes snacks.

>> Yes. Yes. You would also be horrible to

play katan with. Like imagine playing.

>> Hey guys. Hey guys. Hey guys. Hey guys.

>> No one likes logs. Everyone's like, "We

don't have logs." No. No. No. No. I need

logs. I need logs.

>> I need them now.

>> I need logs. It won't let us turn end

until someone tra.

>> I know one of you guys have logs. I

know. I know a six was rolled last

round. Give me your logs.

>> All So, I know I'm going to get

>> Yeah, you have three logs, Prime. I know

you have one log left. He's card count.

>> I know I'm going to get in more trouble

for this, but I did convince Lindsay to

play a couple games of Magic the

Gathering with me, but the style of

Magic the Gathering I've been working on

is uh how to build like little computers

and infinite loops in it. She was not

happy with it. So, you can build little

infin actual infinite loops. Like

there's four card infinite loops, two

card infinite loops. So, that's my goal.

And then, so when I'm playing with her,

it's like, okay, your turn. Good. We're

teaching you. Fantastic. Now for my

turn.

>> 45 minutes later.

>> 100%. And so she she quit. She won't

play with me anymore because of

>> who could have saw that coming? I just

can't even believe this.

>> I'm like, "Aren't you impressed? Aren't

you proud of me?

>> Look at I'm a computer scientist, honey.

>> Look what I've done."

>> Is it like draw four cards and then you

kind of just keep

>> Yeah. It'll be something like every time

you draw a card, uh, you know, you're

able to discard a card. Every time you

discard a card, you're able to add an

extra guy. Every extra guy you have, you

can draw a card. Uh-oh. We're in a loop.

I also do this online and I have I mean

a lot of people have done this before,

but I crash the uh Magic the Gathering

arena often when I get

>> on purpose. That is the That is the

point. That is my only goal playing.

How many cards does it take? How many

times around this loop does it take for

it to crash?

>> Oh, for those ones? Well, the first was

one turn, but I might I might have

something like

>> I mean the loop of like discard a card,

get a guy

>> maybe like 70 70 times. But it's not

just about like the loop. It's about

what you're gathering because each time

I make things more and more. So I I'd

have things where it's like

>> every time I make a new food, it makes a

new squirrel. Every new squirrel I make

makes a new rat. And then I say all

times I make any token, double it.

>> Science. So then so yeah. So, so then

it's like when I'm doing this loop, I go

one loop around, two pieces of bread,

two squirrels, two rats, one more

around, two pieces of squirrel, two

breads, two rats, and I just keep doing

that

time.

>> Yeah, I was about to say cuz 70 times

that is 100%. No, no, there's there's

there's exponential ways. There's other

exponential ways. There's ways of saying

take whatever the highest attack power

is and add it to all of your creatures.

>> Right.

>> So, that means what's going to happen,

right? It's going to move

>> double and then double double double.

Right.

>> Exactly.

>> It's a times two mult. So, I got really

excited about this and then I got on the

internet like I'm going to make some

friends who play Magic. And then it was

a thousand threads of on Reddit of

people like, I won't play with these

guys. Anyone who's into doubling and

doubling tokens, they're the worst. And

I was like, I I I thought I found this

on my own and I thought I I didn't know.

>> It's shocking that Big went and played

Magic, figured out a strategy that makes

people not want to be his friends. Okay,

you sound like Social Network right now.

>> Unlikable guy ever.

>> Trash, we got to get you over to Magic.

Pokemon ain't the way. Okay, we're going

to get you confirmed.

>> No, no, you don't play Pokemon.

>> Yes, you do play Pokemon.

>> No, no, you you No. See, you see what he

just said there? He holds on to Pokemon.

There's a vast difference between

playing.

>> Well, I think Trash, you would be doing

the same thing if you were into magic,

right? You just be holding cards. Is

that the Is that the joy of it for you?

Grab

>> I just like to collect them.

>> Yeah. Yeah. Right. That's what I'm

saying.

>> That's why he does.

>> What's the value of collecting them if

you don't play with them?

>> I like to look at them.

>> So, are you the guy that

>> I literally my waffle catch me in my

office and I'm just staring at my seal

collection. I'm like, so cool.

So when you make a Lego, do you just put

it on the shelf? You're just done. You

make a Lego. You put it on the shelf. So

I have like a steel collection.

>> No. When you put a Lego together, some

people put it on a shelf.

>> You put Legos together. Lego would be

the company.

>> No. No. Each set is a Lego. Legos make a

Lego.

>> He's not going to understand.

>> Okay. The the circuits aren't going to

connect there.

>> Okay.

>> I I don't understand.

>> This is why he gets the infinite loops

and magic right here.

>> But I'm saying there's two types of

people. There's people when you when you

make a Lego set,

>> is that better?

>> You just let it sit. Other people like

myself, I will make a little spaceship

and then I go like this.

>> That's like the fun of the Legos is

after you build it going not it's

appreciating in value on my shelf eBay

price. That's what you do.

>> Well, I'm not going to sell. I have no

intent of selling at least now, but I

like to just look at them.

>> All right, so back to Slay the Spire

>> as a thing that I really, really like. I

like Slay the Spire because uh I keep

losing at it regularly and I feel like I

should be better than better than TJ and

but TJ's Ascension 19 on this guy and it

makes me very angry that TJ's Ascension

>> High IQ game.

>> So normally I played Ironclad and I

think I got up to 10 or 11 on my last

phone and this phone I'm back down to

six.

>> It doesn't sync between them.

>> I don't know why I'm signed into the

same Google thing.

>> We don't have that technology. It was

lost.

>> It was lost TJ. Ever since we lost the

ability to sync between phones, we we

don't know what's syncing between

devices. My What's your Google uh like

little handle that it generated for you?

>> I don't know, but it has a guy with a

top hat and that's all I know. And I'm

not going to say the email that it's

associated with.

>> Mine is like Corellius Jelly and it

makes me laugh every time. I don't know

exactly what it is. I've never seen all

of the letters closely enough.

>> Can you choose the username?

>> I think you can, but I just like this.

It goes ding.

>> Yeah.

>> And then it goes away. So yeah, I

probably have some fun.

>> Mine's like Corellius Jelly and it makes

me laugh every time.

>> You just load.

>> Yeah, exactly.

>> Wait, Prime, do you only play Slay on

your phone?

>> Yeah, that's the only game I I tried to

Okay, so I did download Clash uh Clash

Royale so I could play with my kids.

>> I used to play that

>> and then I played for a little bit and I

just went, man, this game's kind of

stupid and I just don't want to play it

because I don't like any kind of like

buy to- win games and it definitely has

a lot of buy to win mechanics.

>> You got to play Yeah, you got to play

for a long time.

>> Either you're grinding time or dollars

and I was just like I don't really want

to do either. So

>> yeah.

>> Wait, T, when you play So the Spire, do

you play on your phone? You play on your

computer?

>> Mostly on my computer.

>> Okay.

>> A little bit on my phone, though.

>> Okay.

>> Yeah.

>> My computer's higher. My computer's my

like further where I'm

>> I just feel like I play so much better

when I'm on my computer.

>> I like being able to press 1 2 3 4 5.

>> 100%.

>> Yeah, agree.

>> Well, I also just like focus.

>> This feels good.

>> But I have the dumb thing where it's

like when you swipe from the bottom of

the phone, that's what makes it go to

like show all your apps.

>> Oh, yes. Yes. Yes.

>> Cuz I don't like the buttons cuz I like

the like

>> I live I live on the I live on the

buttons. I live on the buttons.

>> I like that I have approximately 0.25

more inches of screen real estate for

absolutely no reason on the bottom by

making the buttons go away.

>> So then I like the gesture.

>> I don't like how big you exaggerated

that.

>> Is it not? How much do you think it is?

>> Well, considering they're that big. Um,

I would say like a centimeter.

>> That's pretty close to

>> Oh, I thought you said 2.5.

>> This is America. Don't be talking about

no centime.

>> What's a centimeter?

>> What's a centimeter? How are you

comparing inches to centimeters anyways?

They don't convert.

>> That's like apples to oranges. Like

>> thank you. Finally, someone who

understands.

>> All right, trash.

>> Trash. What's your game right now?

>> What about you?

>> Hand me trash.

>> You know, we didn't even acknowledge

that we're live together in person.

>> Great point, Trash. We're live together

in person.

>> Did you know that?

>> I didn't realize.

>> Missed on the intro. I'm just going to

call it bother.

>> Do the intro and we'll put it at the

beginning.

>> I'm the worst in now.

>> I I do want there. I just one thing I am

a little bit shocked about is the fact

that you showed up to this really nice

place with this this really nice studio

in a Tostito sweater.

>> Honestly, it's such a sick snacking

today at home after we're done.

>> Also, peso dip.

>> I cannot believe that they sponsor trash

dev. I cannot believe like I've not seen

them sponsor many people actually get

plugged in. But it literally says trash

dev on the back cuz it's his

>> with his jersey number.

>> Yeah, it's his jersey number.

>> That's pretty good. That's pretty good.

Please sponsor me. Somebody

>> in the middle trash.

>> I just want free snacks. Wait, what?

>> Don't you think it looks like two people

and then they've got like a kid with

them or something?

>> That's the actual holding hands.

>> Two people and they're dipping a chip

into salsa.

>> Yes, that is the logo.

>> Well, I was thinking that was the kid.

>> Wait, hold on. That's the That is the

logo with two people.

>> It's two people sharing a chip, dipping

it into the red salsa.

>> Whoa.

>> My mind is so blown that two people

would share a chip. Like, out of all

things to do, that just

>> You never shared a chip with your wife?

>> No. That's disgusting. you why would you

hold the same chip anyways and dip it

together romantic?

>> Uh you've seen Lady in the [ __ ] with a

noodle.

>> Yeah, but it's not the same thing at

all.

>> You can't hold on it at all. It's snap

snap like a little wishbone.

>> Different cultures have different things

that they like to share. So it's fine.

>> Yeah. What me? It's chips.

>> You're calling yourself a different

culture.

>> Yeah, we share the chips.

>> I'm not a dog.

>> He is from the Midwest. That's a totally

different culture.

>> And they're a very They're in what? New

York in Lady in the [ __ ]

>> Yeah, exactly.

>> Yeah.

>> I was like, are they? I don't even

remember the movie. Yeah, we're doing a

little We're going to watch it after.

>> They share they share a noodle in that

one.

>> My mind is blown that there's two people

from

>> I know this is shocking.

>> Are you sure? Like that's that's like

accurate.

>> It has I don't I mean I didn't ask

anybody from Tostitos before I made the

claim, but I'm pretty sure. No. Yeah,

that's true.

>> Yeah,

>> Tostitos. Leave a comment. Let us know.

>> Tostitos. Toito. He loves you even more

now.

>> I know. Sponsor him.

>> He He definitely does shill Tostitos off

camera. Sometimes we're like, "Okay,

dude. We got it." Like

>> I actually don't like Tostitos at all.

>> Okay. Okay. Okay. Now we just we just we

were this close.

>> We almost had them.

>> We almost got our first section. Surely

I'll do the dip, but that's all I care

about.

>> They've That's what they've They have

such a wide range. Something must appeal

to you.

>> Lime

>> chips.

>> Oh no. Oh, you like that?

>> Hell.

>> Wait, have you had that?

>> Scoops. Scoops with the salsa.

>> I do love scoops.

>> Scoops are pretty good.

>> We're back.

>> We're back. Never sold a hater.

>> Scoops are convenient.

>> But here's the deal, Trash. Like if

we're going to be out here trying to

sling you some sponsors. Like you can't

just torpedo the first one we're getting

you because it really makes it hard for

any followup.

>> It's just like when Mark Zuckerberg

followed him around in New York and kept

going

>> at every meeting cuz we've watched the

social network so we're pretty much

experts.

>> Yeah, there's going to be a lot of

social network references.

>> I had no idea what you were talking

about. I was like what?

>> I I am very into the social network

right now.

>> Yeah.

>> Okay. So back to my favorite game. Yeah.

>> So I don't really game much anymore.

>> Okay. The only game I do have is on my

phone is Pokémon Go. Obviously,

>> you're still playing Pokemon Go?

>> Yes. Actually, I have a team challenge I

need to complete. So, I'm going to work

on that afterwards.

>> Wait, you have a team?

>> Okay. What? I have never actually played

Pokémon Go. What does that mean to have

a team challenge and how does one

complete?

>> I don't know. It's kind of new. You just

kind of like work like for instance, you

can have a group of your friends and you

have to catch like 100 Pokemon in a

week. That would be like an example.

>> Okay. How'd you find your team?

>> Just friends.

>> That's like

>> How did you find your friends?

>> Based

>> online.

>> Okay. What? What websites?

>> Vegan's like, I need I need more tips

and tricks.

>> How can I be normal in these groups so

people play with me?

>> I'm a little bit shocked that the goal

is like catch a 100 Pokémon cuz it kind

of sounds like World of Warcraft where

it's like you get to the next spot and

they're just like, "Hey, go get 20

feathers for me." It's just like

grinding. What else can you do in

Pokémon Go besides catch Pokemon?

>> You can like raid with your friends.

>> What does raiding mean? I don't know cuz

I don't raid.

>> So you just

>> I think I think I think you literally

just like you guys attack some gym

together.

>> Yeah.

>> Okay. Sick.

>> And that's like about all I know.

>> Okay. Hold on. So

>> No, let's let's stop Pokemon Go. My

favorite game is Starcraft.

>> Oh, one or two.

>> Heart of the Swarmer Legacy of the Void.

>> But also, as a quick aside, when are we

doing the RTS one v one v one v one?

Four different RTS's cuz that's what we

need to do. Come back to that later.

Well, the latest one would be Wings of

Liberty, Starcraft 2. It's probably the

last time I played.

>> Wait, wait, wait. No, no, it's Legacy of

the Void, isn't it?

>> I thought Wings of Liberty

>> That's like That's like the That's like

later. Wings of Liberty was like when

Starcraft 2 first came out.

>> Yeah. Yeah, that's what I mean. So,

Wings of Liberty is

>> I didn't even make it to Legacy of the

Void.

>> He's saying latest when he played. I am

so confused.

>> Part of the Swarm. So good.

>> Is that like the one right after that? I

don't even remember.

>> You don't even know how

>> trash. What do you play?

>> Yeah. What do you play?

>> So, I'm a Zerg player and um high

masters. Top top 25 masters almost the

grand masters

>> really okay trash.

>> I'm not going to lie. Like so when

Twitch was like Justin.tv that was when

I was playing like I'm going to get a

let me get you were actually masters in

201 like 2012 something like that. Yeah.

>> Those are the hard days. Those are the

hard days to be

>> I was hardcore. We had land party. It's

probably also hard cuz like the only

people still playing.

>> Incredible pros.

>> They've been playing for 20 years. Yes.

They've memorized everything. I used to

go to like local tournaments, get beat

by 10-year-olds, get really mad,

>> you know.

>> All right. So, then that's what started

jiu-jitsu.

>> That's like when I stopped playing. I

was like I was like, I can't believe I

just lost to this kid with no job.

>> Of course he won. Of course he won.

>> What was your What was your build? What

was your like your go-to?

>> Uh, it depends. So, I mean, when you

want when you get to the big leagues,

you got to scout. You got to see what

they're doing. You know what I'm saying?

>> And then you do what you do whatever you

just counter whatever their plan is.

>> Okay. So, you only counter. You never

aggress your own. I mean, there's like a

standard there's like a standard like

default thing where I don't remember

like the formula, but it's like at like

9 you overlord at 12 spawning pool and

then it's like kind of like cookie

cutter for the first 10 minutes and then

you just kind of depend on scouting. So,

it's like how you would usually open up.

Uh

>> yeah, man. It's

>> What's your favorite unit trash?

>> My unit the roach.

>> Okay.

>> So, it's called a roach and then you can

like you can burrow them and when you

bur them they heal. So then you can do

this thing where like

>> do you have to be on your like on the

goop to heal or does it heal anywhere

you

>> No, as long as you as long as you're on

like the uh the creep. I think they call

it creep. Yeah. So if you're on the

creep, you move faster and you heal

faster, I believe. Okay.

>> So like you have to use your queens and

spread the creep.

>> But yeah, like I was I've always been

into like

>> like even with movies, I like war

movies. I like the strategy between like

about warfare and

>> you know what I'm saying? So I know what

you're saying. So, like in my mind, I'm

like actually in this battle and I'm

like, you know, I need to I need to like

flank from over here, have a distraction

over here. And it like really just

consume me. And man, I I just try to

take it as far like I'm like really

obsessive once I get into something. I

try to be a Pokemon.

>> Welcome to You're in the right group.

Okay. Andrew.

>> Yeah. It's like it's like it's like I

just like it's like my life becomes that

like like the Pokemon like episode I'm

in right now is very much like

>> I like how you call it episode.

>> Also, calling it a Pokemon episode is

sick. The other way you can do it is

start calling it an arc.

>> And and to be honest, this is also uh

why I started using Vim.

>> So

>> Oh, yeah. It's the ultimate RTS editor.

>> Exactly. So

>> it's Starcraft for programming.

>> Yeah, exactly. That's exactly how I

feel. So when I first started using Vim

before like I even got on Twitch and

figured out there was like cults and

stuff and like big followings. I was

like, "Oh my goodness,

>> no cults.

>> It's not a cult."

>> But like when I'm coding, I'm just like,

"Oh man, I feel like I'm playing

Starcraft." And it was just like so

exhilarating. I'm just like even I'm

just like mindlessly doing stuff. Like I

don't know. What's your top APS?

>> APM?

>> Yeah. I don't

>> Oh, you measure an M. Oh, he's slow.

>> He's slow.

>> He's slow. He's slow.

>> In the actual like Starcraft game like

couple hundred. Like as a Zerg player,

that's like normal cuz you're just

mindfully spamming.

>> Yeah.

>> But if you're like Protos or Terran,

it's a lot lower cuz those are

>> Oh, that hard to play. Tan is so hard.

Like as a Zerg player, Terran's like the

worst person to play against. So I was

like, I'm gonna start I'm become a

Tyrion player, but man, you have to like

your brain, you have to split your brain

into like five different

>> battlefronts at the

>> Tan's the only race I can't play. Like

>> it's insane. Like there's definitely

like a a a cap of what your brain can

just handle at one time. And then if you

can't get past that like limit, then you

won't progress in Starcraft because you

have to be able to do like six things at

one time.

>> So I I think we might have to have a

little Starcraft tournament. We have to

have one stipulation. Okay. We have to

only play it on N64.

>> What? You know it's out on you know it

came out on N64. So you have to play

with an N64 controller. Can you imagine?

>> I are you sure you're not confusing it

with uh Command and Conquer?

>> I am 1,000% not confusing with Command

and Conquer.

>> There's no way it's on cuz I know that's

I know that's a quick back

literally do a quick back.

>> I also play Command and Conquer hard. So

in college uh we didn't have a you

couldn't we couldn't actually like it

was we were stuck on the internet

basically. Yeah. So my whole like

engineering floor we just played just to

confirm

>> I am right.

>> Starcraft Starcraft 64 is a 2000

Nintendo 64 port of the popular PC

strategy game.

>> Yes. So imagine Starcraft where you're

>> That sounds terrible.

>> No, it's just easy. So instead of like

having a bunch of keyboard shortcuts,

you just slowly go.

>> But you can only

goodness. That's terrible.

>> Oh, you're afraid now.

>> You're afraid. I'm going to take you

down. Uh, first off, we play Star. This

is a Starcraft 2 household. Uh, second,

I will say there's, you know, um,

>> I kind of feel like uh, somebody who

maybe like, you know, like you, if

you're if you're around a friend who's

been sober for a long time, like it's

best not to drink.

>> Oh, I'm just letting you know like right

now I'm feeling something inside of me

because I love Starcraft. Like that was

my jam for a good decade.

>> When I tweeted it, I sat there and I had

my gaming PC in my closet and I was

like, I should set this up, but I have

no room. Maybe I should buy another

desk. Maybe I should Maybe I should just

have a dedicated game desk. I was like,

dangerous.

>> But but then there was like a but I have

a one spot in my office and I'm running

out of room for my Pokemon cards. I was

like, man, I got to pick the Pokemon

cards.

>> Addictions. You need a new room for your

Pokemon cards. Okay, that's a good

point.

>> I'm actually out of room. I'm like

actually hit my limit. So, I have to buy

some shelves. I got to

>> But seriously,

>> maybe a shipping container.

>> Put in a little spot. I want to see it

all the time. It's a temperature

controlled shipping container.

>> You need climate control for sure. Uh,

have you played some of the newer

Starcraft 2 because it doesn't sound

like you have. So, do you know about

lurkers?

>> Yeah. Yeah. So, I got into it. I mean, I

I took it pretty far. I think I played a

little bit of Legacy of the Void, but

I'm talking about when I was like

climbing the ladder into it. Yeah.

Fighting ladder trying to be pro. Like,

I tried to legit be pro.

>> So, like I don't know if you know this.

>> Such good lord.

>> But I don't know if you know this. Like

I played Counter-Strike professionally

for about two years before that.

>> Really?

>> What? Lord, what?

>> Yeah. I played uh 2000. Did

>> I hear that correctly? What is going on?

>> Yeah. 200

Josh, are you saying we can can we find

clips of you playing professionally?

>> There's like maybe one clip on YouTube

that that that you can watch. I'll show

you after this.

>> Are you still pretty good at FPS's?

>> I was I was really good.

>> I know. But are you still

>> on my old teammates? If you see this,

don't talk trash about me. Okay,

>> good point.

>> Your name is trash. Uh, you can talk

about trash though, but can you still

play? Like, can we hop on Apex Legends

and go?

>> Well, that's a completely different game

than

>> still at least. I'm I'm so washed, dude.

>> Valerant. Jeez. Come on, bro.

>> Raiders.

>> Yeah. It's It's to the point where like

I expect myself to be as good as when I

was like in college. So when I play for

like 30 seconds and I'm so I suck, I

just get so mad cuz I'm so competitive.

>> And we're slower now.

>> Mhm.

>> Slower. Hundreds of milliseconds.

>> So like So yeah. So

>> it's it's embarrassing.

>> I got dialup speeds now going on in my

head.

>> Yeah. So I was playing I was on a team

based out of Maryland and we used to

just do East Coast lands and then we

would travel to Texas and do

international tournaments.

>> Trash. That's so cool. That is no joke.

That's so

>> dude I played like 14 hours a day. It

was so bad

>> during when you do this college. So like

two in the summer time.

>> 2005 2005 2006 dude. So when I was doing

my music thing, I had a laptop and when

we were

>> What's the music thing?

>> We're not going to talk about that. But

when I was on tour, I would bring my

gaming laptop with me and it'll just be

like in some rinky dink hotel and

hopefully they had Wi-Fi and then I

would just practice on bots shooting,

practicing my head shot. They're like,

"What are you doing?" I was like, "I'm

practicing." And then when I came back

from like tour, I would join like my

clan and then start playing again.

>> You be like, "I've been shooting nothing

but heads."

>> Yeah, dude.

>> In a gym. I've been doing only gym work.

>> Dude, you have to you have to be

dedicated to the craft. Like I said, I'm

just I'm like a I'm just I obsess over

things and it's just like it's good and

bad. It's good and bad.

>> I love this. So, we just found out like

five games.

>> That's a lot of lore drops.

>> Yeah, that was good. I love that drop.

>> So, right now though, it's Pokémon Go. I

would say that your Pokémon Go

>> I really

>> Dude, we're talking about like the most

intense first-person shooter of all

time. One of the highest APM games of

all time. The most intense strategy. No,

I just do Pokémon Go.

>> Yeah.

>> I walk around and I go like this.

>> See, I'm actually scared I'm actually

scared to set up my gaming computer

because I will just start playing too

much. So, I actually had a problem where

I gave up games and I was like I was

like, "Okay, I'm playing games too much.

I'm going to stop playing games and I'm

just going to code

>> instead of gaming." Yeah, great.

I haven't done it.

>> And that sounds familiar. Says the three

other people that everyone that has done

that

>> and then like then I like progressed

pretty good in coding. I was like cool.

>> But I was like I want to I want to play

some games.

>> Yep.

>> But man,

>> I'm worried about it. Like that's why I

haven't kicked on the old the old things

is because it was it's dangerous.

>> Yeah. That's what I'm saying. You know

what I mean?

>> Cuz I did do a little a little bit of a

dabble in Fortnite for a while.

>> Oh, I I went through I went through a

Fortnite phase.

>> Yeah. went like a quick 400 hours in

just like a couple months and I was like

I got I got to get out.

>> I was like pretty good at building when

you were able to build. I was like you

like you shoot one bullet at me and I

build a mansion. I'm like

>> a hotel with Wi-Fi is what I I was I was

ready.

>> Dude, I tried to be a Fortnite streamer

for a second and then so I I would have

like the typical like whatever my name

is_TV

>> and then they would I would kill someone

and they'd go into my stream and just

make fun of me and I'm like this is this

is sad.

>> Wait, you had the the what is it? So you

had the like TV

>> you had like your Twitch you had your

Twitch name_TTV.

So when I like body somebody they're

just like they come in. You're whack.

Oh, you're lame. I was like

>> all right. Maybe this game's just too

toxic for me. Maybe I shouldn't do this

anymore.

>> Yeah, Fortnite's so toxic.

>> It's too toxic. He just can go back to

CS.

>> Dude, I played League for a while too

and that was

>> Is there anything like

masters also? No, I actually sucked

really bad at league and it was actually

Could we do a team thing to see can we

get past bronze? Can we get out of

bronze?

>> I could not get out of bronze like in my

head I was like a diamond player. Like I

was like I'm so good.

>> It's my team that's holding me back.

>> Dude,

my team hell is real when it when it

comes to that.

>> Yeah. I tried to get my friend to climb

me out. I was like take my password.

Just give me to like silver or

something, please.

>> Wait, primes play League?

>> No, I've never played League.

>> Okay. Okay. I was like I was like even

you're not

>> I I've definitely met a lot of people

who've decided to have a horrible time.

>> Yeah.

>> Yeah. Know I have I have lots of friends

who are like hopelessly addicted. Like

it's not funny. They don't talk about it

in a happy way. They're like I have an

addiction. I hate it. I play it every

day. I hate it. And I'm like what are

you talking Why do you keep playing?

They go I'm addicted. I'm like to what?

If you keep saying you hate it. Like I

don't fully get the league relationship.

>> Yeah. The the funny thing is like so the

people that I play like Counter-Strike

with, there's like a core group of guys.

They think they can be good at they took

Counter-Strike way further than I did.

Yeah. But um they stay as a group and

they're like, "What game can we play?"

And potentially go

>> pro as a group again. So like Overwatch

>> and all that stuff. So they'll just

always try to find all these games that

are like five player or whatever. Like

how can we go pro? So that's kind of

like how I find out all these other

games and try them out. Yeah.

>> But like when you have that like

competitive mentality, you just want to

be the best at every single one.

>> You just want to like

>> you just want to make them cry. You just

want them to sit there completely

minmaxer. I I've seen this guy before.

>> Yeah,

>> it's nothing better than uh noob

stomping.

>> Dang.

>> I I will say smurfing does like I did I

did only a few times in Halo, but it

does feel good when you're just like,

"All right, I'm going to start up a new

account."

>> Dude, when someone bodies me, I'm like,

"That guy's smurfing. That guy's 100%

smurfing. Who is he?"

>> Yeah, it feels

>> cuz cuz you're in bronze, so

>> they just made a new account and just

crushes me.

>> It feels good. It feels good. Does it

does

>> I used to like to set up in Perfect

Dark, you know, 100 bots on the, you

know, a meat.

>> Perfect Dark.

>> First off, you can only have at max

eight bots on the Nintendo 64 Perfect

Dark. And I prefer Judge Sim.

>> Did you ever play 007?

>> Wrong. You could have way more. I think

that's number one console. Okay. Okay.

Perfect Dark.

>> Yeah. Began, did you play 007 with the

golden gun?

>> I mean, I did, but I play I was a

Perfect Dark person cuz 7 compared to it

sucks. Like Perfect Dark is like the

same.

>> So lame.

>> What are you It's literally 1 million

times better. In the original Perfect

Dark, the maximum simulant count uh in

the combat simulator is eight, allowing

up to four human players and eight bots,

12 in total, as I said, because I played

Perfect Dark easily to let me see what

you're searching. How did you get that

answer? Oh, guys, he's using the AI

overview for that. Oh yeah, the AI

overview is real. Who are you going to

believe?

>> Uh, would you like me to go to game

frequently asked questions?

>> Games.com. Oh, well, let's go. Actually,

that's one of my old That's actually

speaking of old video games. I used to

live on that site.

>> Dang.

>> I I actually used to go to cheat code.

That was more my site.

>> Dude, Game Shark. Did you ever get into

any of the Game Shark cheating?

>> No. No. No. Game Shark would require

buying a device. And as a child,

>> so exciting though.

>> Sadly, I had the my my uh I grew up with

what do you call them? Abusive parents.

And so they wouldn't let us have any

games that weren't educational. And so

they

>> Is that what you classify as abuse?

>> His parents wouldn't celebrate his

birthday either. So I know I got those

devices.

>> I didn't.

>> I remember when I thought you guys were

joking. Oh my god.

>> Yeah. So So yeah, no birthdays. And then

no, I wasn't getting video games. So I

had to buy I I had to buy everything

myself. So for the uh Super uh SNES, I

was able to successfully over the

lifetime of our system, we were able to

acquire three games. Uh it took a

They're $60.

>> The games were actually more expensive

back then than they are today.

>> They're $60 each. Uh so Donkey Kong

Country 1, which I still over and over

so gooding. Still a good game.

>> Uh this is so bad. And I thought it was

the other Kirby game. I saw a friend

playing a Kirby game. It looks so fun. I

saved up forever and then bought it at

Sears.

>> Kirby game's terrible.

>> No. Well, like I didn't even get the

right one. I bought uh the the the bean

Kirby one. The Kirby like it's um

Tetris.

>> So I got it and there's like Dreamland.

>> No, not Dreamland. It was I can't

remember what it's called. And guess

what? I still play it all the time right

now. The only game that I'm good at. And

so I'm like this is all I have.

>> Is it like a Dr. Mario type?

>> Yes, Dr. Mario. It's exactly Dr. Mario.

And then the last one, which my dad did

help with Ken Griffy Jr. Baseball, he's

like, "Okay, Ken, you're gonna be

playing if you're gonna play games."

>> I played Ken Griffy Jr. actually. That

was a good game.

>> So that was all I was able to acquire

for the SNES for the lifetime of me

having it. No extra games. So I only

have played three games, but I'm very

good at them. And then once I got

>> that, that matches your personality

better. Anyways, though, what do you

mean by that? I mean, Began plays

exactly the same thing over and over and

over forever.

>> It's how I became I became a speedrunner

cuz I just played Donkey Kong Country

over and over and over. It beat it

faster. Beat it faster. Beat it faster.

And then I once I learned what

speedrunning was. I'm like that thing I

do. It was literally like

>> how fast can you beat Well, I mean like

what's the record on Donkey Kong?

>> Oh, it's so fast. It's so fast. I got I

used to know the actual stats of it.

>> Is there like bugs to where you can skip

levels like Mario?

>> Yeah, there it's not. No, it's not quite

as crazy in Donkey Kong, but yeah, there

are crazy skips. There's actually a guy

Void that I watch on um Twitch pretty

often, like working on that record and

the I play that game and then uh Don

Country 2, which I did not own as a

child,

>> but I bought as an adult and I play a

lot.

>> He reconed his life and bought it.

>> DK2 has like the little one, the little

dude.

>> His name is Well, first of all, Diddy is

in both games, but Dixie is in is in uh

uh Diddy was in those games.

>> Yeah. You know, they No. This is

actually one of the saddest.

>> Wait, hold on. Did he have an island?

>> Yeah, he did. He did. Actually, I don't

know if you know, but in the Donkey Kong

Country universe, Don Kong universe,

they've been trying to erase Diddy from

it, I think, because of the Diddy. No,

they keep mentioning Diddy.

>> Diddy parties in

>> Exactly. They're afraid of like

>> it just everything sounds bad with Diddy

in the name.

>> I completely forgot. I completely forgot

Diddy Kong.

>> I did you Were you the one that showed

me the Joel Javier or whatever it is

cartoon of the Donkey Kong one with

>> Donkey Kong 64? Yeah. No, the the actual

games I had growing up that games that

my parents bought me is I played in

Carter 95. You ever play that? Someone

out there had in Carter 95.

>> Explain to me.

>> That's an educational game, isn't it?

>> There's not It's not a game. It's an

encyclopedia that you load into your

computer and it's got a couple games

that So, I have the encyclopedia games

with like my compact crarario or

something and I used to go hard on

those.

>> Oh, that's all I was going nuts.

>> I was going Yeah. When you said it, I

was like that's an educational thing.

>> No, no, that's my parents only would buy

educate. So, I had that I played this is

bad. the only like one Math Blaster. I

don't know if you know, but Math

Blaster, there's like 30 of them for

math.

>> I had all I had Math Blaster Calculus 2

or whatever. The plot progresses in the

Math Blaster universe, too. So,

>> they're in the same universe across the

different games.

>> 100% 100%. And you visit an island full

of monkeys and then in the monkey. Okay.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

>> And Cardo is a Diddy Island.

>> Yeah. No, there there was a whole Yeah.

Yeah. But a lot of educational games.

And then I remember finally, you know,

getting old enough to go over to

friend's house and be like, "Cool, what

kind of games you got? You guys got

Incard? guys got I'm like, "We're

playing Super Mario World." I was like,

"Oh my god, this is actually fun." And

I'm like, "Oh, a game." But I was like,

"Where are the quiz questions? That

doesn't make any sense. The games I play

are all you watch a little video and

then they ask you,

>> hey, what was number seven's job?"

>> And also, that's what I'm very very bad

at games. And I would go over to friends

houses and I'm like so bad, so

sheltered.

>> I can't participate. And then once like

people got into like the first person

shooters in Halo, they're like, "Began,

you can't play like you can't be on our

team for Halo." Like it was like, "Okay,

Prime is so good. Began can be with

Prime." That's how it all I was always

paired with someone to nerf them and it

was like and yeah. So

>> yeah. All right, let's go.

>> I always had the problem of I'd play

Halo, especially Halo 3 with because I

played with the internet and so then I

was like, "Oh, like let's do a land

party. It lasted for like 30 minutes and

everyone would go,

>> let's do something else." No,

>> it's like not fun anymore.

>> Be like a one on four and I just be

like, "All right, everybody just

>> I've gone through that scenario."

>> Yeah.

>> All right, go.

>> All right, teach.

>> Okay, trash along. I I'll go I'll do a

little bit of a like a deeper dive into

the past. The game that I played

probably the most ever was Dota 2.

>> Also, I didn't realize

>> Dota was too hard for me.

>> Too hard? Yeah, that makes sense. League

player. Yeah.

>> Wait, wait, hold on. When you say deep

past, are you talking about uh Warcraft

3 Dota or like when did you Okay. When

did you start on Dota? Just

>> I started playing Dota. Yeah.

>> You know what I used to do? I would like

since like I would try to play and I

would keep overriding the courier or

something.

>> Oh yeah. Yeah.

>> Now everybody has their own courier

trash. So you wouldn't even be the

person.

Sorry. Yeah. Yeah. I know you're still

waiting to read the patch notes, but

>> I need that version cuz I was awful.

>> Yeah.

>> Yeah.

>> That was probably the game that I played

like the most of. I played that through

college and like

>> for quite a while.

>> They always had good prize pools. Did

you watch like the competitions and

everything?

>> That was fun. That was like

>> I would I would watch the the

competitions but I couldn't play it.

>> Yeah. Yeah. That was actually what was

funny was I just first saw a video from

Prime which is what eventually got me

into streaming and stuff on Twitch doing

programming things,

>> but I was only aware of Twitch as a

means to watch professional Dota 2.

>> Oh, really? It's funny.

>> Yeah. Like I was like

>> the site where they have the

international the guys on here doing

programming.

>> That sounds insane.

>> Well, check it out. They they have

programming on the hot tub streamer side

weird experience. That's how we stumbled

into

>> question. Uh I I know nothing about Dota

other than I played it for Warcraft 3.

So that's like my knowledge is so dated.

>> Um which I even know what Dota stands

for. Not a lot of people. Defense of the

I know that was a good Warcraft 3, baby.

Uh but

>> do people also hate their lives like

they do with League? Cuz League and Dota

are very similar in some sense. I think

it's a So I had fun playing Dota.

>> Okay.

>> But I think it's probably I don't know

if you think this trash. I think league

players hate their lives more often than

Yeah.

>> What makes League hateable?

>> What makes League hatable? I think it's

>> the community. It's the community.

>> Yeah. Everyone

>> league players in the comments, you can

just probably agree. Yeah.

>> It's my team. You're the problem.

>> Yeah. Yeah. Well, it's because everyone

thinks they're I mean

>> everyone thinks they're good.

>> Everyone thinks they're good. Yeah. I

don't really know why it is.

>> Oh, it's it's Twitter.

>> I think the other thing for it too for

League

>> human is there's like stuff you can do

to unlock characters and like get new

new or her what do they call they call

them characters or heroes in League?

What do they call the the people?

>> I don't even know. I erased that game

from my memory.

>> Sadness.

>> Legends. I think they're legends.

>> Are they? I don't know.

>> It is League

>> League of Legends. Dang. Okay. I don't

know. Well, the the people that you can

play as you like unlock them. And so I

think that makes people feel like sunk

cost fallacy for it maybe. So they get

stuck hating that they spend all this

time or money to unlock characters.

Whereas for Dota it's always like all

the characters are always free.

>> Gotcha.

>> So then maybe there's something

>> you just like buy skins or something. Is

that how

>> Yeah, skins is the only thing.

>> Dude, I bought so many skins.

>> Quick question though.

>> Did you watch League of Legends the

cartoon?

>> I watched the first season. Yeah.

>> Oh yeah.

>> Oh, you're talking about like the

Netflix one.

>> Yeah. What's it called again?

>> League of Legends. Oh my goodness there,

bro.

>> Arcane. You're talking about Arcane.

Yeah, Arcane. Arcane.

>> Good save. That was close.

>> Subtitle. League of Legends.

>> Oh, is it?

>> League of Legends is funny.

>> I never watched it because I hate that

game. So,

>> okay. Smart.

>> Don't And don't really heard it was

good.

>> When was the last time you played Dota

though? So, like how long ago was this

addiction?

>> How long you been clean?

>> I'm trying to think. I don't think I

played since I had kids probably. So, at

least 5 years.

>> That's probably for the best. Yeah, it

was. Well, it was like I really like I

had fun.

>> You choose one. You choose.

>> I play I played the game and I had fun.

Okay. Thanks, Josh.

>> Thanks, Josh.

>> Don't Don't mind me.

>> We're not. It's okay. Uh like it didn't

matter whether I won or lost. Like I had

fun playing the game and I enjoyed even

like trying to grind rank and ranked and

stuff. So, it was like I I would have

just played all the time if I had the

option. So, it was like okay that

probably I have to just be like done

with that. So then I stopped playing for

like a decent amount of time. I think

around when I was done with college and

then I just played like uh some fun

games with my friends occasionally after

that for a while and I just was like I

won't play ranked cuz then I'll want to

play like a lot.

>> Um and Dota has a mode I don't know if

League has one similar called turbo

>> where it's like basically the game you

get like more money and more experience

more quickly.

>> So you can play the game in closer to

2x. Yeah. Like the game speed itself is

still the same, right? It's like, you

know, you want to cast a stun. It's not

like it flies twice as fast or something

like that. But then that was what I

would always play with my friends cuz we

would play like a game in 15 to 30

minutes. I was like, "Oh, that's chill."

Like that's a lot more fun than like

occasionally getting stuck for like an

hour.

>> Um, so an hour.

>> Yeah. For one game.

>> Yeah. Halo minutes, which is

>> That's the part with that's hard to even

like grab

so fun, I feel like, is because it's

like

>> when it's competitive.

>> Yeah. Yeah. And you know,

>> but then when you lose after all that

time, you're like, "What am I?"

>> Make people hate their life is cuz you

have to spend an hour

>> to lose 25 elo. That's what you see. The

red minus 25. That does not

>> Well, it's also It's also worse when you

know you're going to lose in the first 5

minutes, but you have to wait like 20

minutes to surrender and you're just

like, I don't even know what I'm

playing. Then everyone starts griefing

and feeding.

>> Actually, I think the other thing League

still has surrender, right?

>> I don't think you can surrender till

like 20 minutes.

>> Yeah. Okay. But you can concede. I'm

saying in Dota you can't concede. I

think that's another thing that makes

Dota less toxic is cuz soon as something

goes wrong in League, concede, bros,

bros. Bros, concede. And then everyone's

like angry. Everyone's disagreeing. So

you just stay in the game and then if

you leave, you can't

>> do that. And if someone like just like

griefs or does other stuff, they'll get

like bad stuff happen to their account

or like you try and throw the game

intentionally, people can report you and

stuff. So then a lot of times like I had

plenty of games playing Dota where

minutes one through 20 you were like

>> we lost. Yeah.

>> No matter what. And then you know you're

you're just playing with other bad

people. So they do something stupid.

They like try and dive into your base

and kill you and stuff. They give you

you end up getting like 5,000 gold. Your

your team

>> and then you start carrying.

>> Your team your team picked no support

characters only. On only I'm the attack

guy. Me I'm attack guy. I know we had

four attack guys. I pick attack, but

>> if they go and die and then give you a

bunch of money and now it's minute 25,

you're like, "Oh, now we have five

insane late game characters, we'll win."

So like that happened plenty of times

like playing Dota, which I think that

might be that was one of the other

things that I always thought made a big

difference in like the psychology of the

game cuz you have a button you can press

>> to say let's be done as opposed to the

only way we lose is when they beat like

they destroy the Yeah. Yeah. M I'm

trying to think the last game I played a

lot of hours was Breath of the Wild.

>> Oh, nice.

>> I'm just about to beat Tears of the

Kingdom.

>> Oh, you're Oh, really? I stopped. I I

was loving it and then I stopped. But I

beat Breath of the Wild and loved it.

>> I was completely different seven times.

Wow.

>> When I played Breath of the Wild, I

think that was actually pre-kids cuz it

was so long ago and I was like, I'm

going to do the same thing and I was

like already on kid 2. Yeah.

>> Played for like 5 minutes. I was like,

I'm going to sleep. I was like I was

like I was like I can't even. So it's

just sitting on my Switch. I was like I

just don't have the energy. Tears of the

Kingdom is kind of sad in the sense that

you get you you go through and you're

beaten everything. You get through like

the four it's the same it's like the

same game again. You get through your

four things. The story is really

monotonous and then you go and fight

Ganon and then you fight like his like

little buddies Ganondorf's buddies and

then the story is just like oh well you

got to figure out where the fifth guy is

and then there's just no information.

You're just like I don't know. So I'm

just like wandering around the gloom

right now down in the like there's no

information. Apparently there's like 15

story parts you have to go figure out by

talking to random people. It's a good

game to wander in though. I like

>> I know, but I'm too old for that [ __ ]

>> Yeah. The one thing I didn't like about

the game was you you can like fly on

this little metal thing and you can like

attach

>> Yeah, that's fun.

>> I couldn't figure out how to fly. So, I

would just fall off. Like I would put on

the edge and I would just go

>> You have to get enough speed.

>> You have to balance it.

>> Yeah. You have to like slide down

something, right? But I would be on I

would be like on a island with no ramps.

>> Wait, you know you know you know you can

get a little like handle that you put on

it.

>> There's a handle you can get handles.

You put it on and

>> literally I didn't know that that one

thing made me quit.

>> Yeah, I had the fans and I would put it

I would literally be on the edge have

the fans on.

>> What about the two engines?

>> Yeah.

>> That's what made me stop playing to be

honest. Literally that mechanic.

>> Well, it is a totally like typical Zelda

games. Oh, great story. We're fighting

this and this one it's like cool

engineering mostly. Just sit here and

just you can make just a totally

different world.

>> Let me play.

>> I will say the game that I've been

playing the most recently is Slay.

That's like if I'm I'll play like part

of game. The other thing I like for Slay

is like if I have 10 minutes I can play

one and then I just pause and pick it up

the next day.

>> Does that mean you guys like Hearthstone

then? Cuz Hearstone's like a Warcraft.

>> Never played Hearthstone but I think I

would have probably liked it. Yeah,

>> cuz you guys like that universe

apparently.

>> I never played any Warcraft before. I've

>> never been a fan of deck builder games

in general.

>> We were all Batro boys right before

that. I still still am Batro Boy. I mean

you did you never do any Bro at all?

Trash.

>> I never did any deck building games in

general.

>> Oh my god. Just do

>> I don't get it. I don't get it. That's

cuz you've never had a good deck.

>> Every time I watch you all play, I don't

get it.

>> No, no. Once you build one good deck and

it starts popping off, you'll go, I get

it. And then you'll be chasing that

feeling until you have a totally new

deck and then you have two feelings

you're chasing. Then you build a third

deck. Now you're chasing three feelings.

It is You've never It's fun. It can be

really, really fun.

>> Really satisfying

>> to get like an allnatural E plus all

natural.

>> You know, so frustrating that ran out.

>> He's a Pokemon collector.

>> Uh oh, trash

>> who uh is like I don't like card games.

Like what are you talking about? number

one ruining hobby. Okay,

>> he just wants to see he just wants to

scalp us.

>> All right, so games that we're excited

for. For me, the two big ones that I'm

really excited for is actually trying to

build something that's engineering into

either Minecraft or Terraria. I think

that's just going to be fun.

>> Sick. I actually think there's something

really a really fun idea of like can you

actually make a web server

>> and like Cloudflare tunnel it out and

actually like okay, this thing's serving

real traffic.

>> This is a fully real game. The other one

that I want to try, but I don't think we

can get enough people or there exists

such a thing. But it's similar to the

idea I had a while ago. It would be fun

to try and do one iteration of like chat

GPT by hand, like do the matrix

multiplication. It would be hilarious to

get like 50,000 people on a Minecraft

server and then you do you try and like

have them flip the levers of a neuron

>> and then do an LL.

>> Can we we could do you know like the

Minsk handwriting? You can do like a

simple MLP. It's just like, hey, this is

just like a four layer MLP. Or we can

even do an RBF, which is a single layer.

So you could actually like really get

>> funny. Yeah. Yeah.

>> And they have to hand calculate out the

radial basis function.

>> Yeah.

>> I have no idea what you guys just said

right now, but I'm going to nod my head.

>> Sounds cool.

>> Sounds cool.

>> The best part about video games is

implementing LLMs inside of them.

>> Well, yeah. But the hard part about that

is that uh the neurons fire with a float

floating values whereas you have just

like on and off.

>> You can make we could yeah there's a way

of making floats in

>> Yeah, I guess you could just have like

five switches and it really represents

like two to the uh negative 1 two to

thegative2 two to eight switches and

then they each everyone's got a U and

eight.

>> Yeah, but then but it's all a point,

right? It's all less than one.

>> Yeah, right.

>> That's what I'm saying. Okay. Yeah.

Yeah. Two to the negative 1 to two to

the beautiful.

>> Okay. Prime. You also have to be excited

about it's literally like the biggest

moment in a long time.

>> I know that's I actually would rather do

that. I think that would be be a very

great thing to start with.

>> Hand handwritten recognition.

>> Okay.

>> In Minecraft or something like that. It

would be fun to do some investigation.

>> So, as long as we can build that before

Slay the Spire 2 comes out, we're good

to go.

>> That's what we need to do.

>> We just have to start it now before Slay

2 comes out because honestly, I think

all of us can transition. No more

programming content anymore.

>> Only Slay 2.

>> Slay the Spire 2 content.

>> When is that? Is that actually coming

out? I think it's coming out this year.

I don't remember what.

>> I I'm actually very worried that it's

springtime, which is a very I'm very

worried it's springtime.

>> I love being I love being worried that a

video game is coming out.

>> And then the worst part is then GTA 6

and I mean we're going to have to role

play very hard.

>> Wait, wait. GTA 6. I thought they

delayed till 2027 at least.

>> I think you're right.

>> They did delay it again.

>> Prime. Okay. Okay. There there is a

nonzero chance that

GTA 6 will be delayed enough years that

we will have an AI powerful enough just

to make GTA 6. Like is that going to

happen?

>> Honestly, that's what they're doing.

They probably don't actually have anyone

working for the company technology,

didn't they?

>> Right. Someone deleted the backups and

the git repo and everything and they're

like,

>> "Okay, well, here's our chance. We can

either tell everyone we lost the game or

>> are they running into Ralph? We wait for

Opus 37.5 and codeex 19 and we say

>> make me GTA 6. No mistakes.

>> No mistakes. Did you Did you guys

actually play the GTA?

>> I play like I play the early go.

>> I didn't play any Beacon.

>> They're saying that early access could

very well be in March 2026.2.

I was worried that there was a spring

launch. See, it's not even spring.

That's the worst part. It's actually

>> That's soon, bro. That's soon.

>> We better make a lot of videos.

>> We have April.

>> We got to keep up for 6 months, bro. We

got Yeah, there's going to be an issue.

>> Yeah.

>> Okay. Well,

>> that's the one I'm excited for. Slay

too. I thought Bolantra was supposed to

get some updates this year, too.

>> Uh there was there's just a like Yeah,

another patch update. It was going to

be, I believe, in the winter, and he

says, "Hey, it's going to take a little