on. Happy Friday.

It's Friday.

Welcome to the WAN show. We've got a

great show lined up for you guys today.

Microsoft admits that every Windows 11

install has a secret unique ID for

tracking. Not only that, but they use it

and so does law enforcement. Um, it

might be time to switch to Linux like

now. like like today, like go start your

download and then let it come down while

you watch the rest of the show. Uh we'll

also be talking about the class action

that's hitting YouTube over false

advertising around YouTube Premium. They

are alleging that Google advertises it

as having no interruptions. And yet,

right now, here on the WAN show, right

now, you could have premium and hear me

tell you about our highquality true spec

cables available now at ltstore.com.

That's right. We've got almost all

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there's not a darn thing that YouTube

can do to prevent me from telling you

about it. What else we got going on this

week, Mr. Left Friier?

>> Uh, we got a topic I'm really confused.

you had the whole time that I was

talking to find two.

>> Did I pick yours again? [laughter]

>> Yeah, one of them. Uh, Proton 11 is

here. That's exciting considering we're

talking about how you might want to

switch over. That's uh I mean a pretty

important thing for a lot of people in

this audience. And 75%

of all PlayStation 3 games are now

playable on PC.

>> That's a pretty big deal in the

emulation space.

>> Yeah.

The show is [music] brought to you today

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Whisper Flow alongside our usual rap

partner Dbrand, our laptop partner Razer

and our chair partner also Razer. Let's

jump right into our headline topic which

is of course Microsoft admitting to the

existence of a secret global device

identifier or GDI that was revealed

after US prosecutors unsealed a federal

complaint regarding alleged hacker Peter

Stokes who was wanted in connection with

the 2025 breach of a US luxury jewelry

retailer. According to the complaint,

Microsoft provided the FBI with a way to

trace Stokes's Windows PC across VPNs

and proxy servers through three

countries.

This is [ __ ] crazy.

Seriously, guys, I'm I'm not I'm not

being all hyperbolic here. I'm not being

all like like uh conspiracy theory.

Where's my tinfoil hat? Keep the radio

waves out of my brain. This is a serious

problem. A Microsoft representative

explained GDID in the complaint as this

is a quote a persistent device level

identifier that is designed to uniquely

identify an installation of Windows

operating system on a device either a

physical device eg mobile phone or

laptop or virtual machine across certain

Microsoft services and scenarios. End of

quote. According to the story posted by

Windows latest, Microsoft uses it to

manage software licensing and Windows

Store apps. But because it links all

your online activities on that computer

back to one single identity, law

enforcement can use it to track a

devices's true owner across the

internet.

Now,

reinstalling Windows does generate a new

global device identifier, so it doesn't

stay with you forever.

But because all of this is being fed

back to Microsoft, the second that you

sign in to another account that you were

signed into on the old machine, it's

linked and they would be able to resolve

both of those GDIDs to one individual

person.

>> Is this like a huge GDPR problem?

>> Oh, I'm not sure. Hold on. Not quite

done yet. The story states that when

investigators hit a dead end tracing IPs

to VPN providers, Microsoft themselves

provided the FBI with records showing

what Stokes's device was doing. The

Windows latest story has some

suggestions on how you might maintain

your privacy. And there's a full reverse

engineering analysis from GitHub user

sometimes wonder if you really want to

get into the weed. So Dan, if you could

throw that link into the chat for all

the wonderful folks who are watching

today. And now it's time for us to us to

discuss like look, I am not a nerdwell

in general. I have taken a pretty loose

approach to the trackability of my

devices. I'm a public figure. I mean, it

just kind of comes with the territory.

This

is different because it was not

disclosed at any time and there was no

implicit tracking.

Like in the modern age, if I sign into a

web service, using a credit card or

using an email that I that I use across

various services, there there's at least

as a technical user, there's some level

of understanding that there's some

tracking here. you know, if I'm if I'm

doing anything on a cellular phone,

right, where I know that my location can

be triangulated from the towers that I'm

nearest and that's that's the best case

scenario, right? Then then I get that.

Here we're talking about devices that

don't have a cellular radio. We're

talking about devices that, you know,

never that don't need any reason to keep

track of where I am and what I'm doing.

that inherently like I assume that if

I'm not enabling something like Windows

recall that what I'm doing on my device

is actually not visible to my operating

system.

And m guys, maybe I'm like maybe I'm

overreacting. That's possible, but I

don't know, Luke. I don't think so.

>> Yeah, I don't really

I don't really think so either. I I'm

quite on the train of

just pushing more to Linux. Um I do

think it's not going to be perfect for

every scenario. You know, if you're

doing video editing stuff, it's still

really rough, but there is an option

where you can, you know, work if if you

need to do something like video editing,

you could work in Windows just for that

and then jump off the second you do

basically anything else. and you end up

using a dual booting scenario is like

your your Windows portion as an

appliance, which is interesting because

years ago it would have been seen as

kind of the other way around. Maybe you

use the Linux portion as an appliance,

but now yeah, if you have something like

like video editing, which really isn't,

>> in my opinion, solved on Linux yet,

there are some ways to make it work. Um,

but it's still kind of funky. Uh, there

there's also things outside of just

video editing, you know, right? Like

certain games might not be super

compatible or whatever, but

>> professional applications.

>> Yep. Do that thing, whatever that thing

is, and then you can jump back and go go

back to Linux. I am astronomically more

comfortable on Linux right now, which is

which is really weird to me. Um, it's

also weird how fast that happened, but

it feels very true. I also wanted to

point out on the subreddit right now,

and let me just throw this in the dock.

Uh, I didn't actually think it was going

to end up being applicable on the show

today, and then it was like immediately.

Uh but I I posted it in the discussion

questions here. Um there's a community

member uh

Gil

Gil

>> Dwif

>> sorry

>> is my best guess.

>> Sure. Let's go with that. Um I am

building a tool to fix the in quotes LT

Linux challenge pain points uh which

they're identifying as a zero hassle

migration from Windows. Super

interesting. There's some other tools

like this as well. Um, there's, you

know, I'm I'm assuming we're going to be

keep making some amount of Linux content

and I think that's going to be including

trying to make it easier and easier for

people to move over and have a

successful migration. Um, so I don't

know, take a look at this. I I haven't

spent a ton of time looking it up, but

open source. Um, and

>> what it actually does right now

>> solution

>> data and profile migration. So, copies

your files and maps them directly over

to your new home directories. Browser

migration automatically carries over

your browser profile. So, when you boot

into Linux for the first time, your tabs

and active website sessions open up

right where you left them on Windows.

System configuration sync. Okay, this is

pretty cool because this is something

where not only is not everything the

same, but the place to go find and

change it might be a little bit

different. So, it grabs your current

Windows keyboard layouts and localized

Wi-Fi configuration, so you don't have

to input passwords or settings during

setup. and no USB drive required. So, it

should install natively without forcing

the user to flash a bootable thumb drive

or change physical boot priorities in

the BIOS.

>> He seems to have a bunch of DRO options

as well. Like, this is a pretty cool

project. And one thing I noticed is just

that Linux is moving really fast right

now. Um, so if there's a problem, if

there's a reason why you can't use it, I

wouldn't write it off long term. Just

wait a little bit. Like even the we

we've pointed out during the challenge

that the changes from the first time we

did the Linux challenge and the most

recent time we did the Linux challenge

were just completely night and day.

Yeah.

>> And then literally since we started the

most recent one to now

>> there's been dramatic change. A topic

for later on in the show is Proton 11.

Someone's working on this right now.

Like it's a very very lively space. So,

if you have some form of issue, um, you

know, maybe it'll it gets solved or

improved at least soon. Literally, my

install of Cashy has improved since I

installed it. Like, it's it's so cool.

>> In my uh in my dailying Steam Machine

video, I I make a I make a very strong

appeal to someone to fix the middleclick

uh autoscrolling issue that you and I

have, Luke.

>> Yeah. And honestly, it's it's one of

those things where I I found plenty of

Linux people who were, you know, doing

that classic thing where they tell you,

you don't actually want that. Paste is

better. You want middle click to be

paste text. And it's like, no, actually,

I definitely do not prefer that. And I

do want it to be autoscroll. And I lay

out kind of the ergonomic reason for it.

like it will be within just a couple

weeks of dailying Steam OS, some of my

old RSI pain and tightness started to

come back from having to use the scroll

wheel so much. And I had to kind of

remind myself, don't do that. Move the

mouse, go find the stupid little thing,

and drag the page back up. Like, I'm

someone who reads at my computer a lot,

and it's just plain better. Autoscroll

is just better. And for me, when I read

a lot, it's way more useful than middle

click being paste text. Um, especially

when my left hand is usually on my

keyboard in the left home row position

anyway, where I can just as easily click

controlV. Um, and so hopefully an

enterprising Linux person will will help

help us out. Uh, Bookhorse, yes, it is a

browser setting in Firefox, but not in

every browser, and it's a little bit

clunky. It's a little clunky. It is It

is not the same. Um I I ran into the

same advice.

>> It's better than not having it in my

opinion, but it it is not the same.

>> Yeah. So, we need to get it like And

like why why settle for worse?

>> Like that's

>> Well, no. I mean, I can understand

someone who who might prefer the other

way.

>> No, I just mean the clunky current

solution.

>> Oh, yeah. Yeah.

>> Yeah. I think, you know, I I I

appreciate that there are opinionated

portions of Linux, but I also think at

its core, Linux is a customizable

optionheavy thing. And I think it would

be great if there was the option for

either one. I want the people who like

pasting that way to be able to keep

pasting. Of course, they should like to

be able to use the scroll wheel the way

that I want to use the scroll [laughter]

wheel. I want both to be uh why not

both?

>> And and that's the that's the always the

funny thing to me. I don't encounter it

as much with Linux people. It's if I had

to if I had to pick a community to kind

of put that stereotype on more than any

other, it would be the Apple community

where you kind of say, "Hey, I'd really

love it to work this way." And they say,

"Well, you shouldn't." And I go, "Well,

yeah, but I do though." And they go,

"Well, I like it working the way it

does." And I go, "Good. Then it should

keep working the way it does, and also

it should work the way that I'd like it

to work. This is these are not mutually

exclusive." Um, but it's something that

I don't know, some people really seem to

to struggle with. Um, one thing I will I

will say is that when I was dinking

around in the terminal a bunch trying to

get um Adysius working, PewDiePie's

thing, I ended up using middle click to

paste a lot. And I was like, okay, I get

it. But that was a that was a weird

situation where I wasn't really like at

a desk. I was at like uh like I was on

like a test bench and my keyboard was

like way over there because I had the

5090 with the weird power modification

that I was like fixing the soldering job

on in the middle of the de. So, like my

keyboard was not super convenient and I

was uh using a bunch of like AI

assistants to help set up like to help

with like Linux terminal commands and

stuff because no, I don't want to go do

a six-month course on Linuxing in order

to, you know, set up this program that I

just want to use. Um, so it was a bit of

an unusual situation, but I but it was

enough for me to see the utility of it.

I could definitely see it.

I do think uh terminalheavy users are

probably where a lot of that is coming

from. The people who like the the scroll

wheel paste definitely.

>> I um

>> and and and I get it for that use case.

Again, it's just kind of like I could

actually see myself getting used to it

>> during certain workflows and potentially

wanting to switch back and forth. Um,

cuz again, I I like doing what you do

when I'm reading something really long

or trying to load a ton of comments or

or do whatever, which is a very common

thing for me on in a browser. I like to

just middle click, scroll down. Um,

>> or when you're done reading and you want

to go back up to the top and get to the

navigation,

>> whip right back up.

>> I like that scroll wheel stuff. So,

yeah. But, but I there are times where

like I've I've been like, "Okay, I think

I get it with liking scroll wheel

paste." uh because of needing to jump

back and forth between a bunch of

terminals. Um so yeah, I mean I if in my

perfect world I would have some funky

keybind where I could switch between the

two.

>> Hey Xfin 724 brings up something that

was actually driving me kind of nuts and

I could go look it up, but hey, why

don't we have it as a live conversation

on W show. What's up with controlV in

the terminal on Linux adding extra crap

to the beginning and end of what I

copied? Can someone explain that to me?

>> I thought

>> because if you right click paste it's

fine or if you middle click then it's

fine but if you controlV then there's

just a bunch of like [ __ ] in it and

I I don't understand that. Does anybody

know

>> it's uh [sighs]

yeah it's it's not paste. I remember

looking it up at one point in time

because but it's like extreme

>> you have to control shift V. No, I don't

want to because that's another key. Why

would I do that? Okay. No, someone

explain it to me in a way that like it

it it like has a purpose adding extra

crap to the thing that I'm pasting

because it does past C andrl +V were

assigned to system functions like

stopping active programs long before

graphic windows and clipboards existed.

So it's it's old stuff that has carried

forward

about terminal stuff for like a a long I

remember years ago.

>> Yeah. Like when I'm trying to exit a

program running on Windows, it's control

C to like stop the running execution.

>> Yeah.

>> Yeah.

>> Yeah. This is not a Linux unique thing.

>> Yeah.

>> Um it's just command lines.

>> It's older than copy and paste.

>> Interesting. All right.

>> It gets to win.

>> Yeah.

>> Interesting.

>> Yeah. I remember like I think I looked

this up when I was in like university.

I'm not talking like a couple years ago.

[laughter] Like a long time ago. So why

does it put

200 whatever till the some crap and then

till the like what function did that

serve

>> that I have I have no idea what you're

talking about to be honest

>> and if it doesn't serve a function then

could it just

>> not

I feel like that's the kind of thing

that there's got to be like it there's

got to be a way I could make Linus Linux

and that could be like the one thing I

change that be like my fork of like

Mint. It would it would just change

that. ControlV would just work in the

terminal [laughter] and then it would be

fine.

>> It could be a box in the settings that

you got to pick.

>> Yeah. Yeah. Mac OS users are just

freaking out for me even suggesting

that. [laughter]

>> Sorry guys.

>> I can hear them screaming.

>> Oh, that's amazing.

>> What the heck is an [clears throat]

option?

>> [laughter]

>> No.

[clears throat]

>> Anyways, uh should we talk about another

topic?

>> Yeah, sure. You want to pick one?

>> Yeah. I want to keep it kind of on topic

a bit though because I want to jump to

>> you show. Who are you and what have you

done with the WAN show? [laughter]

>> I've been I've been I've been around San

Francisco for too long. I want to talk

about uh AI.

>> Oh no, THEY GOT HIM. [laughter] THEY GOT

HIM.

LOOK HOW THEY MASSACRED my boy.

[laughter]

>> Um, it is it is, dude. I You know what?

Okay, we'll take a quick aside before we

go into there. We're back to normal

show.

>> WE'RE BACK.

>> WE'RE BACK, BABY. [laughter]

>> UM, it is so weird being here, man. Oh,

you like you drive around for a little

bit and all the billboards are like this

is the AI to rule all the AI. uh use

this for your CI/CD development

pipeline. Like it's where am I?

>> Even the airport there's always like an

alien space.

>> You walk through the airport and it's

like advertisements for like hosting

stuff and like

>> Yeah.

>> Like there was a there was a digital

ocean billboard.

>> Yeah.

>> Like

>> billboards, man. Sure thing, man.

>> Like there's there's probably a tiny

amount of people in BC at all that even

know what Digital Ocean is.

>> [laughter]

>> like, oh man, it's it's very interesting

being here. It's very like you are

palpably in nerdland. Uh oh, yeah,

brother.

>> Which is kind of cool, but it's a it's a

weird space. And then you're you're

driving around and you see like just

Adobe,

>> Oracle building.

>> Yeah.

>> Nvidia building. I remember the first

time like years ago the first time you

and I were down here I remember seeing

the Zinga building um and being like

what [laughter] like the Facebook game

company really I guess I guess they

would have a headquarters somewhere.

>> Why not here? I guess sure.

>> Anyways um okay back on topic uh Proton

11. Yeah,

>> Valve has released Proton 11, expanding

some game compatibility, which is

awesome. Uh, with certain titles,

including Uni Universe Generator, the

Golden Sword, DCS World Steam Edition,

that will get some more nerds over to

Linux for sure. Uh, Resident Evil,

Resident Evil 2, Dino Crisis, Dino

Crisis 2, From Dust, Metal Gear Survive,

Warhammer, Vermentide 2, Gothic 1

Classic,

and XPlane 12. What's a bigger deal is

it includes an integration to FEX FEX,

I'm not sure. Uh 2605

for ARM 64 EC. Oh, that's cool. Uh as

well as several core dependencies.

I'm going to call it FEX. Uh FEX is the

compatibility layer responsible for the

ability to play x86 games on ARM like we

talked about in our initial Steam Frame

coverage. That is exciting. So, I'm

going to say this because I don't know

anything yet. Um, but I hope that this

means Steam Frame is coming really soon.

Um,

>> oh, I didn't see this necessarily as a

time frame thing, but that makes sense.

>> Well, they recently started updating

some games with a works on frame badge.

Okay. Proton 11 is here with effects

update.

>> There's a new Steam uh VR UI update.

>> Yeah. So there things are like things

are firing like every week there's a new

um a new prerequisite for the Steam

Frame launch that seems to kind of land

and it's all kind of working its way up

to but a lot of the a lot of the initial

Steam Machine stuff seems to be mostly

resolved like they've got that red bar

thing um that's getting patched really

shortly. Uh, like we're the dust is

settling on Steam Machine and it looks

like we're gearing up for Steam Frame. I

am legit so excited for this thing. Uh,

once I actually know anything, then I

I'll have to I'll have to clam up, but I

don't have a shipping date. I don't have

an availability date. People keep asking

me, dude, it's crazy how much hype there

is about Steamframe. I literally Googled

Steam Frame release date rumor. I'm

gonna I'm gonna see if I can find this

again. Um

frame coming in July. Is this the one?

Hold on.

Uh no, this doesn't seem to be the one.

But I came across uh I came across a uh

a discussion on Reddit where something

was pretty strongly upvoted that it must

be coming pretty soon because Lionus had

marks on his face in a video that seemed

to be indicative of that he was wearing

the steam frame recently for testing.

I'm like, "Bro, I just had a mark on my

face. You need to calm down. I do not

have a steam frame." I think it was an

early release version of Steam Frame.

>> Yeah. Yeah, sure. Sure thing.

>> I think they're right. I think they're

right.

>> Sure. Sure thing.

>> Now, what about our information on

Halfife 3?

>> Yeah. Yeah, for sure.

>> Well, that's releasing on

>> um Okay. Are you pretending to be

looking current?

>> No. Uh Linus and Luke, how are your

current Linux experiences been going

since the Linux challenge? I think it's

actually been a while since we've talked

about this. Are you still

>> Okay, we should. But I found it. Hold on

one sec. [snorts]

>> Any rumors about YouTubers reviewing the

frame right now? This is from 8 days

ago. Are there currently any rumors

before the Steam? Okay,

>> I like how the questions not even are

the rumors true, just do they exist?

Like, people are so freaking hyped for

this thing.

>> I heard LTT has it and loves it. Uh I

also heard he's convincing Valve to wait

another month to stick it to the fans

like

Uh, only leak I found is Lionus having

some VR headset imprints on his

forehead. Might have been the Pimax

Dream Air. I It wasn't that either. Like

what what are you guys What are you guys

talking about? You're just the And to be

clear, like it's fine. Sure. Like, you

know, as far as rumors about me go,

those are pretty those are pretty tame.

>> Maybe it was the big screen Beyond 3. I

>> I Yeah, it must have been. Must have

been. I'm going to get my Big Screen

Beyond 3 before Luke even wears his Big

Screen Beyond 2. It's going to be great.

Um, but just like seeing how how rapidly

excited people are just to to talk about

this, just to even even meme and [ __ ]

post about it, like I I think I think

The Frame is going to completely eclipse

the already smash hit success of the

Steam Machine. Like Valve has another

winner on their hands here. This is

crazy.

>> Mhm.

>> Anyway, what are you going to But yeah.

Are you are you So are you still running

you still running Linux anywhere, bro?

>> Uh yeah. So I've been I've been I have

>> off of Pop OS. Well, it depends what you

mean.

>> I am running a Steam machine and I am

also dailying a Steam machine.

Yeah, see he's having a real hard time

with this. That's why I'm gonna remind

him oh

of an ad. Okay. No, I'm switching away

from that. I'm not endorsing roundup.

>> Yeah.

>> Why does the WAN account always get

Roundup ads? Oh, what is this? I got two

ads. Okay, we're going to have to buy

premium for the W show accounts. Don't

do that. I'm not spending money on that.

I use it once a week. It's fine.

Oh man, two unskipables. Get out of

here. Okay, so Jordan and Justin with

some guidance and a little bit of help

from me. This was a this was a team

effort uh alongside I think it was was

it Disappearing Inc. that flagged this

thing for us or was it FreeGeek? I don't

remember, but one of the local like like

computer antiquity/recycler

people. I'm pretty sure it was

Disappearing Inc. got their hands on one

of the original Steam machines that

Valve seated out to media, not including

us, but that's fine. I can wait. I'm

patient. And then we built like the

sickest little small form factor build

in it. Um, that ended up just oh man,

being so good. Like, it's so good. And

the specs are so good. I think we ended

up with what was it a 7800 X3D and then

a um

I want to say it was a 9070 or a 9070 XT

or something like that. So that's what

I'm actually using for my my daily

driver machine right now. I'm running

Steam OS. Uh it just gets like normal

Steam OS updates. Everything's working

great. The only thing that I don't have

that a Steam machine has is I don't have

the built-in dongle for the Steam

controller. But frankly, I don't really

care about that. I I like the Steam

controller for what it is. I think that

Valve did an outstanding job of

executing on their vision for it, but

it's not something that I need at my

desk where I already have a keyboard and

mouse. It's just not necessary for me.

So, I don't care about that. And then it

also doesn't have support for CC, but

I'm using it as a desktop PC anyway, so

that also doesn't matter for me. So,

it's way more powerful. It's louder. Um,

but that doesn't matter because remember

I have fiber optic cabling running

through my home. So I just put it in the

basement and then I don't have to look

at it or think about it or listen to it.

It's just it's just a a pristine

immaculate Steam OS experience and I am

freaking loving it. It's a Steam machine

but faster and better and uh and I' I've

been

>> How was the install of Steam OS?

>> Uh it was kind of a pain in the butt but

I didn't have to do it. Jordan did it.

That machine has literally just been

sitting there ready for me and uh and

I'm I'm loving it. So, for the first

week of my daily driving steam machine

challenge, I was actually carrying my

steam machine in my backpack to and from

work so that it was the only computer I

was using. And then I wanted to like

ride my motorcycle one day and I was

like, it's such a pain with the steam

machine cuz it's like it's like on your

back and my the posture on my bike is

like

>> Yeah. Yeah.

>> Yeah. It's It's not comfortable to have

a ton of weight on your back. And I

already have my tech sack in my bag and

I was like, "Oh, I really don't want to

wait. Why am I doing this? I should just

have Steam Machine at home."

>> Cuz now now you're it's it's almost less

of dailying Steam Machine now. It's more

just dailying Steam OS.

>> Yeah. And I And I spent the first week

>> still spending a lot of time with Steam

Machine. Yeah, for

>> sure. I still spent the first week only

with the Steam Machine, which did make

me notice some things I missed in my

review.

>> Yeah. And and honestly, I think, you

know, Steam OS is the truly interesting

part of this whole situation in my

opinion. So, like that seems fine%. But

>> yeah, that's wicked. Yeah.

>> Yeah. I was like, especially after

hearing your feedback about it, I was

pretty tempted to get one, but man,

they're so expensive and I kind of

wanted like a little bit more power.

>> Yeah. And I I'm kind of in the just use

the OS, build your own computer again

camp. So

>> CEC is an interesting thing because you

have a desktop computer. So there ain't

no way you're planning to use your Steam

OS machine as your desktop. I'm thinking

this would be a console, right?

>> Yeah. Home theater. Yeah. So, um, we're

actually sourcing pretty much every CEC

adapter that we can get our hands on

right now for Short Circuit because I

really want to solve this once and for

all in my theater room. I'm playing

around right now with the CEC adapter

that Jordan got for this video um, that

we did not get working properly on Steam

OS at the time. It works pretty well on

Windows for me,

but it's like it's not a silver bullet

either. Like I ran into a situation

where something I'd never heard of

before called a CEC storm was causing my

computer to wake up when other devices

were chatting over CEC. So, it turns out

it's a it's a really weird architecture.

It's like it's like a ring topology or

something or it's like it's more like a

it's less like a switching uh

architecture and it's more like a hub

architecture where it just like blasts

out and then if the right hits the right

fan then gets real. Like it's just CEC

is a mess. It's an absolute mess. And so

I'm I'm still kind of struggling with

it. And and every device has different

degrees of customizability and control.

Like a device that does it really well

is the Nvidia Shield. It lets you really

get in there and say, "Okay, allow this

device to turn on other devices. Allow

other devices to turn on this device.

Wake other devices when this one turns

on. Wake this device when other devices

turn on. Or don't do those things. You

can you can configure all of those with

a pretty significant degree of

granularity. But then my AV receiver is

just like CC ON

CC OFF.

[snorts] What does that mean? And you

can't tell it on which inputs and

outputs. It's just easy. [screaming]

[laughter]

Like you got to be kidding me. You guys

do this for a living.

This box costs like $4,000. Are Have you

Have you gone mad?

So, it's just it's pretty um yeah, it's

pretty annoying. Uh Sharf 2K says, "Just

use the Silverstone key fob." Shaf 2K,

tell me you're not married without

telling me you're not married. Like,

it's got to be kid-friendly. It's got to

be like the wife and the girls want to

watch a movie. Otherwise, literally, no

one will use it. That's the whole point

of CEC is that it took this whole crappy

multi- remote thing and solved it except

that it's a giant piece of [ __ ] Um,

man, what a life goal that would be to

like fix CEC.

If someone wants to do that, like I'll

invest. I'm gonna say it right now. If

you can give me like a credible plan and

like like show you've done the work, I I

think I'm in. I think that could be my

third investment.

Crystal says, you know, girls can figure

that out. Um I'm I'm I'm going to let

you in on a little secret, Crystal. It's

not that they can't figure it out. It's

just that most of them don't give a [ __ ]

and don't want to in my life. And I got

to I got to work around the people in my

life. I can't change what people what

people are and what they're interested

in and what their preferences are.

>> They have the intelligence to do so.

They just don't

>> those particular ones don't care.

>> That's right. And in general, if our

demographics are anything to go by,

they're not they're not weird freaks.

So, we do need to have solutions for

people who don't care and don't want to

figure this stuff out and don't want to

deal with multiple remotes. It's it's

just that simple. I I I know some people

do care, but I don't get to pick. And I

know the names and I know the

preferences of everybody my wife would

have over for a girls night, and none of

them include determining which HDMI

input is correct. Literally zero.

They're not interested. And so, so I got

to, you know, I that that's the thing.

That's how that's how consideration

works, right? Is I don't the golden rule

is not really that great. you know, do

unto others as you would have others do

unto you. It's like, no, actually, do

unto others as they would have you do

unto them. Like, that's the that's the

right way.

>> As a reminder, just in case people get

confused, he's talking about the the

women in his life.

>> Of course.

>> Yeah.

>> Of course.

>> And also the demographics on the

channel. Again, it's not like it's not a

great

>> Doesn't mean there's zero.

>> Doesn't mean there's zero.

>> Not as common,

>> but it means the odds. It means the the

odds are and remember I mentioned like

my kids too and some kids are super

techsavvy too and don't mind

>> Emma's better with the TV than I am cuz

I watch so little TV.

>> That actually doesn't surprise me at

all.

>> Yeah.

>> Not one bit, Luke.

>> Yeah.

>> Like I I would be [laughter]

I would actually be surprised if you

could even find the TV remote in your

house.

>> Uh

>> do you know where she keeps it? The only

reason why I can is because she got this

really cool manipulatable like sculpture

of two hands that where you can move the

fingers and she has it like positioned

so that the remote like beautifully gets

held by the hands.

>> Holy [ __ ]

I just had the coolest idea.

Okay. No. No. Wait.

>> Oh boy.

>> Hear me out. Okay. You know how Ivonne

does like craft night sometimes?

>> Okay.

>> Okay. You know those things that you can

do like with kids or like as a couple

where you create like a mold of your

hands and then you like you put plaster

in it and you like make your hands. You

and Emma should make your hands like

like a next level one of those

>> holding a TV remote

>> HOLDING FOR THE REMOTE [laughter] CUZ

cuz that way that way you could have

like a like a piece of decor that's also

like a like a special like memory thing

and then Yeah. And then Yeah. Luke can

and then Luke can find the remote.

That'd be Dude, that'd be so freaking

cool.

>> Uh yeah, I mean it sounds like a fun

craft night. I I I just feel like

>> I knew we were going to get Luke to

craft night at some point. [laughter]

>> I have to be there cuz my hand has to be

molded. That's clever. Um I I was going

to say like it's it's I feel like she

would just immediately use the like Oh,

if I ask where the remote is, she's

like, "It's in your hand."

>> Nice. That's hilarious.

>> Yeah,

>> that's great. You're already holding it,

smart guy. [laughter]

>> That's not bad. All right. Yeah, sure.

That sounds fun. Uh,

>> just be happy that she didn't ask you to

mold your butt.

>> Where's the remote? [snorts]

>> Okay, that would be a pretty funny

remote holder, too. Just like a cheek

that that [laughter] fits

[laughter]

>> just on the side table. Just a pair of

cheeks.

>> You know what? You know what that could

end up being is like a a um like a dirty

cooking spoon holder.

>> Oh yeah.

Yeah.

>> Just a It like shrinks down.

>> That'd be sick.

Oh, dude. Okay. So, we make like instead

of just doing like sentimental hand

things, we make like we make like hand

things that do stuff.

>> Yeah.

>> Oh,

>> yeah. Okay.

>> It's actually not bad. I'm I'm actually

I'm actually messaging Ivonne now.

>> I'm messaging Ivonne.

>> Okay. All right. You want to pick a You

want to pick a new topic?

>> I I just wanted to say I realized while

sitting here saying that like, "Oh,

yeah. I'd rather kind of build my own

steam machine just to make it a little

bit stronger that this finally gives me

an excuse to build in a Fractal Terra.

This isn't in no way sponsored by

Fractal, but I I always loved the

Fractal North and the Fractal Terra's.

Super cool. And the green fractal terra

with the wood accent is just like

>> Yeah, that looks nice.

>> Beautiful.

And has that, you know, appeal that we

were just talking about. Like I think

Emma would be much more okay with one of

these sitting in the the home theater

like center console thing than uh most

other options. It's so funny how the the

Terra with wood accents went from being

like unique to being the case that

everyone buys. I had actually built in

like four of them before I even realized

that I had built in four of them just

cuz everyone in their dog was picking

them for their ultimate upgrades.

>> Oh yeah, that makes sense.

>> It's a really nice case.

>> So cool. Yeah,

>> it's a great case

>> and I love the North, but the North is

huge. Um

so I don't want it in this case. I I I

generally don't mind computers that are

decently large, but like at the home

theater setup, man, no. If I can avoid

it, no.

>> Yeah. No, you don't want you don't want

something that big for like a living

room. It's like what are you in college

still? Like, come on.

>> Yeah.

>> Even with the wood accents, it's just

it's not for it doesn't go in the living

room. If it was next to a computer desk

that is in a shared space, 100% valid.

>> But I've got one as my workstation PC.

You can't put a giant thing like that.

It ain't going in the living room.

>> No.

>> Hell no.

>> Beautiful case though.

>> But yeah, I agreed. Anyways, okay. You

said next topic.

>> Um,

let's see. Well, okay. Yeah. What? What?

No. No. No. I'm not going to do it. I

don't even understand why it's in the

doc, so I'm not going to

>> No. Do it. Do it. Do it.

>> No. I want to know.

>> Do it. Come on.

>> Okay. Cuz I'm confused, but I haven't

read the whole topic. Intel releases

major driver update for Windows 11. How

is this? How is this a bland topic?

>> This is a land topic.

>> Intel released new Wi-Fi and Bluetooth

drivers. Wow. That include enhancements

aligned with wind Microsoft's driver

quality initiative initiative or DQI.

>> Yeah.

>> Microsoft recently told Intel, AMD,

Qualcomm, and other partners that

drivers need to stop hurting Windows

11's reliability and reputation down.

>> Yeah, we talked about this on W show.

>> I do remember this now. DQI is

Microsoft's attempt to raise the floor.

It includes Microsoft authored class

drivers. Uh,

>> less unnecessary kernel mode

interference and more user mode drivers

where possible. This is good.

>> That is good.

>> This is real progress. This is actual

shipping drivers from Intel that are

designed to make Windows 11 less of a

steaming pile of This is good.

>> No, that is good. Okay. Yeah, sure.

>> That was it. I just want to

>> So the so the the the point of note is

that

>> someone actually did it.

>> Yeah.

>> Which is great.

>> Real action that matters.

>> Concrete action is happening and it's

fast. I mean they announced this driver

quality initiative what like a couple

months ago or something like that.

>> Yeah. That was pretty quick.

>> So we are already getting it's it's the

only question is why did it take you so

long Microsoft to care about this? You

know no I'm not going to dwell on the

past. Good job progress. Okay. Sorry. Go

ahead Luke.

>> Good job progress. Also, we figured out

what you're tracking, so see you later.

Um,

[snorts]

you know, the the DQI group probably had

no idea. I don't know. You know, maybe

they're cool. [clears throat]

>> Companies like that. It's

>> yeah, you'll get these groups or these

individuals that really do have the best

intentions and like really deeply care

about the user experience

>> and then I'm sure they are reading stuff

like that over on Windows latest

>> and making the exact same face that we

are. Like what what is even the point of

the good work that I'm doing over here

when you're going to go and do that with

it? Like come on, man.

>> Yeah.

Um, hotspot temperature sensor on

Nvidia's Blackwell GPUs is still

accessible if you have access to

Nvidia's internal mods tool.

>> Okay, since that headline was written,

uh, this has gotten a little bit more

complicated.

>> Uh, let me do the read for this one just

in case they missed something. When the

RTX50 series came out, reviewers noticed

that hotspot temperatures were missing

from tools like Hardware Info and MSI

Afterburner. And while it looked like

Nvidia had gotten rid of the feature,

like it was no longer reported by the

die, turns out the sensor was still

there, it just wasn't accessible through

the usual software. Well, Paulo Gomez, I

assume, a Brazilian repair technician

and YouTuber, investigated a customer's

Gigabyte RTX 570 Ti that was

mysteriously throttling despite showing

normal GPU temperatures in Windows. In

Linux, Gomez was able to use Nvidia's

internal mods, so modular diagnostic

software, to discover the hidden hotspot

sensor was hitting 107° C, even though

the standard tools reported only around

68° C average GPU temperatures. And this

was exactly why enthusiasts cared so

much about being able to access hotspot

temperatures because it would reveal if

a bad mount or a bad pace job was making

it so that overall the die was cool

enough but the hottest zones the the

most compute intensive parts of the chip

were overheating. He disassembled the

card found poor thermal paste coverage.

Okay. Yeah, there you go. So that's

exactly what I was talking about. He

reapplied the paste and confirmed that

the hotspot temperature dropped and the

throttling disappeared. Uh Lionus

comment. Oh, okay. So, they did put that

in here. Uh this seems to have been

starting to make its way into regular

tools. So, I think hardware info 50

series hotspot. Hold on. I'm just going

to Google this live.

I think yes, hardware info. This is two

days ago. according to video cards adds

RTX50 hotspot temperature reporting,

RTSS can display it now, too.

So, I'm a little frustrated because

while I'm not sure that Nvidia ever said

formally that it was removed, they

certainly didn't do anything to

correct the speculation that it had been

removed. Um, and it's a really useful

tool

>> for for diagnosing, especially if you're

if you're doing aftermarket cooling,

like mounting something like a full

coverage water block can can be a little

bit hazardous because there's so many

surface level components like it'll

it'll directly it'll directly cover uh,

you know, with thermal pads. Although

again, that's a great example of why

this matters cuz if you have too thick

of a thermal pad, right, it's making

contact with all these other components

on the board like your memory modules uh

with your uh VRM. And if you screw up

something or you put on too thick of a

thermal pad or you don't tighten

something down enough, it can contact

the die enough. Remember, this is a

water block, so it's moving heat away

really fast. So it can contact the die

enough to carry heat away, but it can

not be in good contact with one small

area that could be a very crucial spot

that you know uh like Paul like Paulo

saw that could cause the car to thermal

throttle. And if we don't have access to

that temperature sensor, then we have no

way of that knowing if that's happening.

So taking away useful tools that help us

diagnose hardware is just like

not cool.

>> Apparently roughly twoish years ago, um

Roman from Derbau asked Nvidia about it

not being there anymore and got a

response of saying it was no longer

accurate

and no longer relevant.

He obviously, you know,

had thoughts about that, but that was

what they said.

>> Oh man.

Yeah, there's some comments saying

effectively exactly this, but I had the

thought of like, man, telling telling

Derbower that some thermal measurement

doesn't matter is a

wonder if they knew who he was.

[laughter]

>> I mean, if it's not accurate, then

that's one thing.

But this this proves though that they're

taking action on the behavior of the GPU

based on this number.

>> Yeah.

>> Well, okay. Which one is it, Nvidia? Is

it inaccurate and irrelevant or is it

actionable? Because it cannot be both.

>> There's a lot of speculation.

>> Yeah.

>> But it makes sense to me. Uh but it is

still obviously speculation saying that

maybe you know the the modern cards run

really hot and maybe it would have been

bad for

um perceptions or sales or or marketing

or whatever to have these hotspot

sensors blasting out crazy high numbers.

>> Bad for marketing is the only real

reason that I can think of for them to

>> no longer relevant

to the interest of selling more graphics

cards.

maybe not no longer relevant to the

user.

>> I see.

>> But yeah, I this is just one thing I

found. I don't know if they've had a

more recent statement on that.

>> I think everyone just kind of accepted

it and moved on.

>> Moved on. Yeah.

>> Well, either way, I'm glad to see that

this is out in the open now because it's

a very useful tool.

Mhm.

>> Speaking of useful tools. Oh, never

mind. I will do this after. Um, but it's

really cool. I'll tell you in a minute.

First, I'm supposed to do the CW

announcement.

D.

This week, we launched the investment

disclosure t-shirt. Oh boy. How do I I'm

not going to be able to screen share.

And also,

there it is. It's the one I'm wearing.

It's pretty cool. It's designed to save

me time and effort because if I just

wear this shirt, then surely uh the

investment disclosure will be all done.

Amazing.

>> You going to do that?

>> Uh no, no, I'm still going to try and

remember. I just I very occasionally do

forget. So,

>> yeah.

>> Uh we were like, haha, why don't we just

do a shirt that's like investment

disclosure and then if you forget, then

whatever. This is great. [laughter]

went and got a framework laptop for the

shoot. Anywh who, uh, now available

ltdstore.com. Printed on our classic

poly blend te soft, breathable, everyday

fit, high quality print that lasts. Uh,

this is a shirt about investment

disclosure. That's it. That's the bit.

Fantastic. Uh, thank you CW team. And if

you guys were looking for an excuse to

pick one up, then hey, while we're live

is a great time to do it. All you got to

do is add an item to your cart and

you'll see checkout messages. These are

the way to interact with the WAN show.

We don't do Twitch bits or super chats

or anything like that because we think

when you throw money at your screen, you

should get highquality merchandise and

apparel in return, not just, you know,

internet peen. So, when you go ahead and

enter your message here and check out,

it will go to producer Dan. There he is.

who will curate your message or who will

reply to it or who will pop it up on the

stream. Uh, do you want to show them

what it looks like when you curate it,

Dan?

>> Yeah, sure. I u Well, I mean, I can't

show it to them, but I can demonstrate

it.

>> Nice. I think solid.

>> Hi, DL. What's something the audience

thinks is easy about running LMG? That's

actually quite hard. And conversely,

what looks hard, but is easy. P.S. UV

hoodie so good in UK Heatwave. more

colors, please.

>> Scheduling. Uh, scheduling is is by far

the least intuitively difficult or in

intuitive difficulty aspect of LMG, like

all the moving pieces, camera operators,

uh, you know, getting the getting the

the hardware, you know, tested and in

the right place with the right software

loaded on it. Um, like a perfect example

is this. This is the Razer Fold. We shot

a short circuit for this today. And

compared to when we used to do a short

circuit for our phone a couple of years

ago, like back then, we would just have

the phone, it would come in and it would

just like appear on set and then when we

sat down to shoot the video, it would

like not be set up. It wouldn't be

logged into the Wi-Fi. So you'd waste

like 20 minutes just dinking around like

signing into Google accounts or in some

cases it wouldn't have any battery left.

Um so you'd have to like plug it in and

wait around for it to charge or like go

shoot something else. So getting all

those all those little pieces um

pre-organized like nowadays

when this phone arrives on set it's

signed in, it's connected to the Wi-Fi.

It's got a couple apps on it that you

might want to run. Like if you decide to

run a game on it, it has like Fortnite

on it so that we can just, you know,

have some over the shoulder gaming, you

know, to to cut in while we talk about

our uh like our gaming performance

measurements and stuff like that. Um I

think that's the I think that's the

biggest challenge that people kind of

take for granted and it's always in

flux. It's always thrown for a loop.

Like a perfect example of this would be

when our Steam machine arrived. We we

had a bunch of other stuff on the go,

but it just arrived. Like brands do not

consider that maybe you have a life.

You just you're just I don't know.

You're just a thing.

>> And they might be right, but like come

on, bro.

>> You don't have to tell me like that. You

send it over and magically content

appears and that's all they kind of

know. A lot of them, some of some are

really good. Others just completely kind

of take what you do for granted and the

difficulties of what you do for granted.

It's like, well, we did all the hard

work. We made the product. All you have

to do is glaze it. Like, come on. How

how long could that take? Right. Um,

so that's um, yeah, I'm going to go with

that. I'm going to go with that. Yeah.

So, we just had to drop everything we

were doing so that we could put together

and execute on a content plan for Steam

Machine. And actually, I don't think

I've said this publicly yet, but like

bravo to our team like putting that

together. We had one Steam Machine.

Sometimes for like a really big launch,

we're we managed to get our hands on

more than one so that like labs can be

testing it while we're shooting the

short circuit unboxing and then it can

that one can make its way to someone to

have like, you know, the experiential

daily driving experience with it and

then we get the labs numbers in and then

that one goes in for B-roll while the

host is holding the other one for

A-roll. Like when you have a lot going

on, it can be really useful to have more

than one. But we managed to get a short

for LT, a long form for LT, a follow-up

long form where we did like a Steam

Machine killer and compared it against

it for LTT, and a short and a long form

short circuit. All like within a day or

two of launch. It was pretty crazy. The

team did an outstanding job.

>> Yeah, Chad has a good question. Why is

the smiley face in disclosure like

dead or something?

>> I don't know. Don't worry about it.

Don't overthink it. [laughter]

Okay.

>> Why is this a dollar sign? Who knows?

It's a mystery.

>> Also, when when did Well, I mean, that

would make sense.

>> Strongs.

>> Uh why why did the um

when was this first released on the

store?

>> Today.

>> Wow. I think am I reading this right?

Your regular large is already sold out.

Uh,

I don't know.

Maybe.

Good chat.

>> Nice.

>> Nice. How about another

>> uh Oh, not on the global store. Large is

in stock on the global store.

>> I'm on the global store.

>> Okay. I don't know then.

>> It says it will not be restocked.

Oh, it won't be restocked, but that

doesn't mean they're all gone. I think

>> it doesn't say they won't be restocked

on everything.

>> Um, all right. Well, I will flag that

for the team.

>> Okay,

>> good chat.

>> Nice.

>> Nice.

>> All right, Dan.

>> Uh, oh, yeah. This one's for Luke.

>> Yo,

>> what exhibit or creator are you most

excited to see this year at Open Sauce?

Did you bring anything to show off

yourself? hoping to be there Sunday

myself.

>> I didn't bring anything to show off

myself, but the creator warehouse team

is here and they brought um some cool

stuff.

>> Fire.

>> They brought Yeah, they brought some

pretty sick stuff. They they brought I

think uh two different super large

screwdrivers. I think they might both be

3x scale. I'm not sure. I think one of

them is a translucent one and one of

them is the just normal screwdriver. Uh

they also brought my favorite thing that

they brought really is they have like

the history of the the normal standard

screwdriver, the scribe driver,

>> the pen,

>> a pen. Uh and then also the precision

screwdriver. Um and they have those on

like big boards where you can see the

different prototype versions along the

way.

>> And not pictures of them like they have

>> the actual ones.

>> Yeah. They have the They have the like

the like lathed out shaft that Sebastian

put a plastic like generic pen top on

and just taped it on.

>> It's

>> the like proof of concept.

>> I had never seen that before. I saw that

today. That prototype is actually sick.

>> It's the actual It's the actual one that

he handed me

>> and said, "Hey, what do you think?"

>> Yeah.

>> Which is pretty cool. It's the one.

There was not two. Yeah, very cool.

>> Yeah, they're there. They're literally

physically there. So, like if you talk

to them about it, they might even like

pull it out and kind of show you more up

close and stuff. Uh so that's wicked.

They have some of the actual engineers

there. Um

uh which is which is cool cuz you can

talk to them. It kind of fits the theme

of the show a little bit. And then

they're selling a shirt and the like

nuclear

green UV reactive screwdriver. And then

they have some deal going on. I don't

remember the exact details. I think it's

if you spend over 50 bucks, you get a

coupon for free shipping on the store.

And the reason why they did that would

totally makes sense to me. They didn't

want to bring down every freaking

product we have because that's kind of

unfeasible.

>> It's like a thousand SKs or something. I

forget what

>> So they were like, "Okay, well we'll

make it so you can like

kind of have shopped everything by, you

know, you can just get free shipping

instead." Um, so that was a cool seemed

like a pretty smart idea. Um yeah, so I

I did not personally bring anything but

LMG did through through C creator

warehouse. Um

particular booth or particular creator

I'm excited to meet. Honestly, every

year I meet random new creators that

I've never heard of sometimes that are

like massive. Like gone is the time

where as like a casual YouTube viewer

you would just know the top 100

YouTubers. like not only does is the top

100 YouTubers completely irrelevant to

me at this point in time [laughter]

but because who cares but but also

there's like huge creators doing amazing

things that I've just never heard of all

the time and I spend a lot of time on

YouTube and there's not huge creators

doing amazing things that I've never

heard of. So I just have fun meeting

people doing cool stuff on YouTube. Um,

in terms of favorite booth, my favorite

area tends to be the like hobbyest

rocketry area. Um, which apparently NASA

is just here officially this year. Uh,

and they brought heat shielding from I

think it's Artemis 1 and Artemis 2,

which is like super cool. So, I'm

excited to check that out. Yeah, usually

it's the like rocketry stuff. Last year

there was a really really cool booth

where you played Counterstrike but they

made it so that a bunch of the grenade

effects were had like a real life

equivalent

things and smoke machines and

flashbangs. Yeah.

>> Yeah, that was that was a lot of fun. Um

they they did like the inverse for an

incendiary grenade. So if you walked

into an incender grenade they would

spray water on you. [laughter]

Um, I if I remember correctly, if you

walked into a smoke grenade, it would

shoot a leaf blower in your face and you

had to like deal with that. Um, what was

Flashbang? Do you remember Flashbang?

>> There's a big strobe light like xenon

discharge pulse.

>> It's this crazy light that like makes it

difficult to look at your screen. That

was fun. Um, but yeah, man. I I don't

know. I I think it's impossible to like

look forward to anything in particular

at Open Sauce other than just Open

Sauce. Um, it's just so different every

time. I've never been. This will be my

first one.

>> I think you'll have fun if you can move

at all. You might want to bring like

some form of uh disguise for your face.

There are multiple creators that do that

here. I'm not kidding.

>> Really? Yeah.

>> There's just a ton of fans around,

right?

>> You won't be able to go anywhere.

>> Yeah.

>> I don't even really like do like maker

stuff as much.

>> No, but this is

>> It's not going to matter. I can't move.

>> Yeah.

>> Oh,

>> yeah. You're You're not going to be able

to move. [laughter] You You might want

You might want to bring something.

[clears throat]

>> I need to be able to move. I'm down. I'm

down for just the one day. We're

shooting a video. We actually have kind

of a fun uh we have kind of a fun video

concept.

>> It's going to be like a like a break my

cable

>> sort of concept and not like like use a

hammer. No, no, no, no, no. Relax. It's

okay. Um but basically, I'm going to go

find cool the coolest stuff I can find

that people brought that needs a USB

cable. And then I'm gonna like see

[snorts] if my cable can

can make it work, which it should

because it's true spec. Um, and then

basically it's just an excuse to

highlight like a half a dozen cool

projects at open source

>> that need a cable.

>> Sounds like a great idea. And

legitimately we have had multiple

>> booth people cuz it was an industry day

today run up to the booth being like,

"Can I buy a cable?" [laughter]

>> Really?

>> Oh, yeah.

>> Do did anyone keep track of who any of

them are? Cuz it'd be great for me to

pop in on them tomorrow. I think I think

uh one of you guys was uh I know I was

like they were having a bunch of issues

with the creator shuttles today. So this

morning when I went to the event I got

an Uber and I just stuffed a bunch of

random other creators in it and when I

had to come back to do land shut which

I'm I'm obviously not at the creator

hotel but when I had to go back to get

my laptop and stuff I did the same thing

cuz the shuttles were also not working

again. And while I'm in there I'm just

like whipping stuff out of my pockets

like we make all these different things.

[laughter]

Look at our pens. work on our fidget

spinners. [laughter]

I mean, you have you trapped in the car.

Uh, but it's I mean it's it's

interesting because the you know I I was

talking to someone earlier today about

this of the like 2010s era of like every

single YouTuber is selling one to two

shirts and one to two hoodies at a time.

They're all probably from Teespring.

Like that is over and lots of people are

getting into products now. So, every

single year since I've been coming to

open source,

>> the like behind the-scenes conversations

from the creators has been for everyone,

not just for for me or us, has been like

what's going on in the product space?

What are you working on? What are you

thinking about? How are you approaching

it? How do you work with uh

manufacturers? How do you like it's a

ton of it is product stuff? Because

that's where the external funding seems

to be going for a ton of creators. And

it's really interesting because I I was

talking to someone recently about like,

you know, if you tried to make if you

weren't a YouTuber and you tried to make

the LT screwdriver and get it on the

market,

>> oh my god, I don't know how I would do

it.

>> It'd be so difficult. Yeah. And the

screwdriver is a little bit maybe more

like mass appeal, but there are some

YouTuber products that

if you were a standard company, it would

be so hard to make this like niche

product really make sense because it

would be so difficult to actually hit a

huge portion of the people in that

niche. But there's market data out right

now that as the generations progress,

um, more and more people are doing

purchasing decisions based on online

creators. Gen Z's at 41%. And

>> if you are a creator within a niche, you

already have the attention of the whole

niche. So it might make something that

that niche has wanted for a long time an

actually viable product because of your

existence, which is really cool.

>> Almost it's almost like

people followed you and glombmed on to

you because they had common interests.

>> Yeah. and alignment in terms of what

they want.

>> So if there's something

wants, yes, you might be able to make it

and because of your natural marketing of

already having that audience, you can

make products and product lines

potentially make sense that might not

have otherwise, which is just super

interesting. So it's a lot of the behind

the scenes conversations are are about

stuff like that. Um, genuinely most of

the conversations that people have with

me at OpenSauce are about like

our stuff that we make everything else,

which is interesting. So,

>> you know, it's funny. I actually shot a

video today

uh just doing a tier list of of science

and tech creator merch.

>> I And again, I shouldn't be using the

word merch. I don't want to use the word

merch to describe our products because

they're not merch anymore. And frankly,

none of the things that I checked out

today were merch.

>> Dude, and you go back 10 years ago, and

that would have been

>> unheard of.

>> T-shirts, hoodies, and maybe one water

bottle.

>> Yep.

>> And now it's a ton of really unique,

very interesting,

>> dude. I had a barbecue scrubber, a meat

thermometer. So, those were very those

were those aligned extremely well. I

cooked my meat and then I cleaned my

barbecue with Creator Products. Uh, I

had an end table that was in the shape

of a of a like a like a like a sewing

thread

>> uh spool.

>> I had

>> No, no, no, no, not a bottom. Bobbin's a

little one. Um, it was a it was the

shape of a spool.

>> Oh, the big one.

>> Yeah.

>> Um, I had although a bobin ottoman to go

with it would be amazing. Simone, if

you're watching.

>> Uh, what else did we What else did we

have going on? I I don't uh Oh, dude.

The the Green The Green Brothers are

involved in like laundry detergent. It

was like a collab with Technology

Connections. I was like, "Okay."

>> Oh, that's [laughter] amazing.

>> Yep.

>> That's perfect.

>> Yep.

>> Out. I remember hearing about that, but

it's released product.

>> Well, I have it. So,

[clears throat]

>> wait. Did I say Did I say I said

dishwasher, right?

>> I think I think you said laundry, but

>> Sorry, not laundry. Dishwasher.

Dishwasher detergent. Dishwasher

detergent. Sorry. Sorry, guys.

>> Dishwasher.

>> Dishwasher.

>> I said laundry. Sorry. Sorry. Oh,

apparently both are out. Okay, good.

Making sure I'm not getting that right.

Getting that wrong. Yeah. So, the one

that I checked out is the dishwasher

detergent.

>> Yeah. Very cool.

>> That's awesome.

>> Heck yeah.

Um, oh, I was supposed to say one more

thing for the creator warehouse, um,

part of the show, call outs. Uh, we have

our end of season apparel sale with

discounts up to 40% off running right

now. So, it's a great time to pick up

some underwear, the lightweight packable

jacket,

um, the lawsuit hoodie. This one's

particularly on topic right now.

Excuse me. Um,

yeah. So, go check it out. That's at

just if you go to LT store.

I think it's the Yep. It's the second

banner in the in the banner carousel

there. Just feel free feel free to

browse. There's lots of good stuff in

there.

All right. Oh, wait. Dan, was that only

one com?

>> No, you did, too.

>> Oh, nice. Okay.

>> Yay.

>> Uh, thank you.

>> You're actually ahead of schedule or

schedule. I don't know what you North

Americans say anymore. I have lost the

understanding of which is the wrong one.

>> It's jud.

>> Yes. Like GIF.

>> Gotcha.

>> Yeah. It's a silent beginning of the

whole word.

>> Yeah.

>> Thank you, Jod.

>> Uh, continue.

>> Oh, ow, that hurt. Okay.

>> What do you want to talk about next?

Should we talk about YouTube's class

action lawsuit?

>> I Yeah, honestly, I was looking at that.

Uh yeah, let's do it.

>> A new proposed class action has hit

Google stating that YouTube Premium is

false advertising because they market

adree, but you will still see sponsored

segments in videos.

Oh, specifically the bakedin ads that

creators include. The lawsuit is citing

other claims in YouTube's marketing such

as no interruptions or most videos are

adree in the case of premium light.

Hm.

So our discussion question is, do you

think there's an argument to be made

here for this class action? Because

clearly Google is not serving the ads

and not profiting from them, but they

are also representing

the service that they are providing as

an experience that people are not really

having. Like I just I with my built-in

ad block like I'm aware of, you know, if

I'm watching oversimplified or whatever,

I'm aware that there's like a giant

twominut ad read in the middle of it or

whatever and I'm like tap tap tap tap

tap tap tap tap tap and and like I don't

um like it doesn't bother me, but also

if you don't have bad ad block in your

brain um yeah, I can see I can see

encountering that and going, "Well, what

am I even paying for then?"

>> Well, YouTube premium has built-in ad

skip.

>> Yeah. But I don't think

>> and also I think the precedent here is

not that. And the re the argument that I

would make uh is that like on on

all ad free platforms that I know of,

there's still um what is it called?

product placement advertisements and

lots of other forms of advertisements.

Just because it's not full screen rolls

doesn't mean there isn't other forms of

advertisements. So that has been true

for a very long time. U there's also

been native integrations on other

platforms that are adree for a very long

time. Um or not non-native integrations

I guess. I don't know, I'm losing the

terminology, but when when the hosts

talk about a thing, um, instead of it

being like a cutaway to an ad, that has

been true on other platforms for a

while. Um,

>> like a plug, you mean?

>> Yeah. Yeah, exactly. And yeah, I don't

know. I I I

as a very long-term premium user myself,

ad skip, bro. Like, what's the problem?

Yeah, because it does the way that

YouTube does that is they they put up a

prompt to skip frequently skipped chunks

of the video, right?

>> Yeah. which generally corresponds to

>> almost always is because the way to do

it before that was if you looked at the

timeline of the video, it gave you this

like waveform and the waveform was

essentially a retention graph and you

would look at the dip and then this like

massive surge and the massive surge was

because people would click on that. So

that was just the old form of it was you

would just very clearly see where the ad

ended by looking at the waveform of

retention and then they added as people

are pointing out a little white dot

>> y

>> which is the end of the frequently

skipped area. So you can just click on

it on the timeline or there's also a

button that shows up in the corner that

says jump forward or jump whatever I

don't know uh and it'll just skip it for

you. So, like I don't know. I understand

the argument that the class action is

making is that the ad is there at all.

Not that it isn't easily skippable, but

I do think there's quite a bit of

precedent for it being the the type of

thing that they're talking about is

platform inserted unskippable

like pre-rolls, mid rolls, whatever.

not stuff that's baked into the cont

content naturally by the user that

generated that content. There isn't

platform ads.

>> I'm going to both sides this one. I like

if YouTube says in their marketing no

interruptions,

right? I I could see that both ways. On

the one hand, as a viewer who's, you

know, getting a twominut read for

oh man, I'm trying to think of what's a

what's a company that advertises on

YouTube a bunch. Uh, honey.

Thanks for that.

>> Sure. Let's go with honey. Um, you know,

I'm getting this this long read about,

you know, honey or whatever. I have been

I've been interrupted. But on the flip

side, YouTube has delivered the content

that that creator uploaded in its

entirety to you with no interruptions.

How is it how is it their problem or

even their role to decide what to serve

you and what not to serve you?

>> I think an interruption

in the perspective of YouTube is them

interrupting the video that you are

watching by inserting an ad.

>> They're not doing that technically.

>> They're not

>> the video that you are watching is just

becoming an ad that is very easily

skippable.

>> Yep. Um, so I I don't think the

interruption thing I I think a lot of it

depends on like where are you placing

the perspective in this conversation.

Um,

>> yeah.

>> I mean, flow plane isn't adree then cuz

you know WAN show has sponsors and

product placements. Got to get that

dough for for me. Yeah,

>> exactly. Just like I mean I could tell

you all about true spec cables on

ltstore.com

and that's on full now.

>> They they're super flexible. uh they

support, you know, very high power and

data rates and are designed to be