Anthropic, uh you know, they they have

obviously done better than OpenAI as far

as messaging and everything is kind of

on the up and up. Um not

>> Also valuation.

>> Uh valuation, yes. They have the higher

valuation. That's a result of Claude

code. They kind of took the coding by

storm. OpenAI still is caught up with

Codex. And that's not to say that things

aren't on the up and up with with OpenAI

either. It's just that they've had all

of these public issues, uh whether

that's the Elon Musk lawsuit or now this

Apple lawsuit. I think the Elon Musk

lawsuit really brought out a lot of the

dirty laundry. That had people kind of

asking questions. But you also have

Anthropic. They've kind of become a

pariah almost in Silicon Valley because

of the way that they talk about AI where

in Silicon Valley it's AI

it's awesome. Anthropic is saying, "It's

awesome, but we should also proceed with

some sense of caution."