Ilya Sutskever new "Superintelligence" model will change EVERYTHING
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All right, so there's some interesting
developments on the AI model front. In
the near future, we're likely going to
be seeing the release of Gemini 4. We
already have proof that it's being
tested internally. It already finished
pre-training, as far as we can tell, and
it's going to be released soon. At the
same time, people are losing their minds
over the ox alpha model, which is a
stealth model that's being tested right
now. Nobody knows what lab it is. Could
that be Gemini 4? Could it be a Chinese
model? Or could this be the first model
released by Ilia Suskgiver from SSI safe
super intelligence according to Gavin
Baker on a podcast he was interviewed
and he's saying that SSI that's Ilia's
company they say that they're going to
come out with their model in August like
this month. Now here's the thing. The Ox
Alpha model is probably not one of the
Western models but the point is we're
going to be seeing the release of a lot
of huge models that are way beyond what
we have right now. And of course, don't
forget OpenAI will soon hopefully be
releasing their Astra model. This is
that mythos level model from OpenAI.
Some of them are expected to drop
sometime in October, maybe November. But
the point is this, between now and the
end of the year, these models will be
released to the general public unless
something major changes. And of course,
we've crossed a certain red line with I
think most would say with Mythos 5.
Mythos 5 was the first model where an AI
lab said, "We're not releasing it. It's
too dangerous." Now, I know there's some
people still out there that think this
is just marketing. None of these models
pose an actual threat. Here's a
counterpoint. This is at CNBC.com. I was
trying to make it dark mode. It just
wouldn't go dark mode. So, this is
grayscale the best I can make it. The
US, specifically the NSA, they're
warning that certain bad actors will be
and are currently attempting to hack the
US energy and water supply. NSA and FBI
warns of hackers using AI generated
tools and attacks on critical
infrastructure technology. So these are
all the kind of major agency of the US.
The whole alphabet soup is there. CISA,
FBI, NSA, DOE, EPA in a joint advisory
that was created 2 days ago are saying
this quote, "This is not a theoretical
risk. It's an active threat." Meanwhile,
you might see a breaking story as of
today, August 22nd, from Telegram, where
Iranian hackers shut down a UK power
plant for 4 days. It's fair to say that
this is probably the most successful
cyber attack against the UK to date.
Mainly because there's nothing close to
compare it to. So, just to be clear,
there's no, as far as I can tell,
reading the publication so far. So, this
is a breaking story, but nowhere in
there did I see them say anything
connecting AI to this. So, of course,
you're free to believe what you want.
But in my book, we've seen some
never-beforeseen hacks and attacks in
cyber security against hardware Bitcoin
wallets, 20-year-old glitches and bugs
and vulnerabilities discovered in very
well-known and tested code bases. The
statement from NSA and FBI. So they
explicitly say that they are not sure
whether it's Iran linked or not. And in
their statement that joint advisory
statement, they do say that attackers
are using AI to generate Python
exploitation script and these are built
on open-source Python libraries. The
agencies say that quote, "This
represents an evolution in threat actor
capabilities, dramatically reducing the
technical expertise and time required to
be able to conduct cyber attacks such as
these." So, I'll leave it up to you to
decide if you believe that AI was
involved in that UK attack or not. If
you don't think AI was involved, I uh I
got a power plan to sell you. Okay, so
I've kind of reported the facts and I
was careful to not overstate them. But
here, let me just say what I believe is
happening. This is my opinion, but let
me kind of unload here a little bit.
Fable 5 was the first model that is
truly dangerous for these cyber
capabilities. Some of the stuff that's
been released since then, as well as the
Chinese distillations of those models,
they are also dangerous. And again,
these are not hypothetical threats.
These are active threats. People are
getting hacked right now. 100 million in
in Bitcoin lost, a power plant shut
down. Again, I'm assuming it's AI is
involved one way or another. And like
the NSA and the FBI saying before, you
needed really smart people that knew
what they were doing in cyber security
to conduct these operations. Smart
people that know what they're doing in
cyber security are very well- paid and
usually won't engage in these sort of
shenanigans, you know, for the most part
unless they're statebacked and therefore
getting paid very well to to do this
without, you know, threat of some
criminal persecution. But my point is
there's a limited amount of people,
humans, and how much time they can spend
on this, you know, to be able to do
these cyber attacks. These new models
that are being released, they they
change the situation completely. If you
look at the chart of who uses the most
tokens. So who uses AI models the most
actually you know the thinking the the
processing the tokens it's not humans at
this point AI agents are using a lot
more tokens. That chart just goes up and
up. And likely a lot of these agents are
crawling all sorts of different
databases trying to find these
vulnerabilities. That NSA/FBI
specifically what they flagged was an
internet exposed Seaman's S7 PLC's.
They're industrial computers mainly used
for automating manufacturing for for
power plants for various infrastructure
things like that. So basically some
people out there are using AI models to
find vulnerabilities in these chips that
are are exposed to the internet that are
used for power plants and manufacturing
plants, water plants, all sorts of
industry all across the world. One
interesting thing that stood out to me
in the NSA report is they describe this
as persistent reconnaissance. So with
the NSA and FBI, they're not saying that
there's this wave of attacks. They're
not saying that. The thing that they've
discovered, the thing that they're
worried about is these AI agents are
just crawling all over the place, every
single codebase, every single thing
that's exposed to the internet just
looking for ways in. They're not
hacking. They're not attacking. They're
just constantly going through every
codebase they can with a fine tooth comb
trying to find some glitch, some
vulnerability. And we know they're
finding it. We know that they're finding
them at scale because a lot of the quote
unquote good guys are doing the same
thing. They're reporting all this stuff
we're finding. So we know that there's
tons of holes in these code bases all
over the place. So a lot of people that
are saying that, you know, so what?
What's the big deal? You know, human
engineers could already find these
issues. This is the thing they're
missing. Yeah, maybe. And surely they
could find those issues. Perhaps even a
competent intern, you know, pointed in
the right direction could find these
issues. But never before in the history
of the world could we get, you know,
agents that can work 24 hours a day that
can be cloned infinitely to continuously
go through and find these exploits. So
when the quoteunquote big one hits, it
might not be just one. It might be
multiple ones across different
industries. And a wave of attacks like
this could be extremely destabilizing if
a bunch of banks and financial
institutions all get hit in rapid
succession that could trigger
potentially a sell-off. The power grid
going down across a wide enough area
could cause all sorts of issues of its
own. So the big point here is be
careful. We should all take cyber
security a lot more seriously than we
did before. And I think chances are that
there's going to be a lot more of an
overlap between kind of the government
and the big tech institutions and big
financial institutions and every
industry organization. Everything is
going to be pulled in closer around this
subject of AI. On this channel, we've
been talking about this for quite some
time. AI will overlap with everything.
AI will, you know, eat the world. It
will dis it will disrupt everything. So,
the people that are saying that all of
this is just PR stunts and marketing for
the AI Frontier Labs, please, please,
please do not listen to those people.
This wave is coming and it's going to be
bumpy for a while. And that's why these
new model releases are so interesting to
watch. They are very relevant to the and
let's start with Gemini 4. One thing I
talked about a number of months ago, one
thing that I felt was a little bit weird
was that at Google, Google Deep Mind,
Deis Hassabus, he wasn't fully on board
the whole RSI train. So while Anthropic
and OpenAI and XAI, everybody else,
they're kind of trying to get their
models to be as good at coding and
agettic capabilities. And of course, the
reason we think why they're doing that
is to be able to get to RSI, recursive
self-improvement, to basically get these
models to start working on progressing
AI forward on automating AI research.
And it kind of seemed clear that a lot
of the AI labs, they were trying to move
toward this. Of course, Leopold Ashen
Brener and the intelligence explosion
like blog post kind of really detailed
that whole process. By the way, he was
also one of the first people to really
predict, I think, what's happening now.
Now, of course, recently, he completely
wrecked his fund, which was just flying
skyhigh and getting insane results cuz
he was betting on his thesis and he was
just killing it. Apparently, Ken
Griffin, the founder of Citadel, if
you've seen that movie, uh, Dumb Money,
that that kind of portrayed that whole
GameStop saga of of 2020, 2021, whatever
that was, that guy ended up buying most
of his funds for, you know, discounted
rates and maybe even had a role to play
in the downfold of situational
intelligence, which was Leo Bald Ashen,
Ashen Brener's fund. I wish I did a
whole video about that at the time it
was happening because that whole thing
is just wild, man. But the point is
Leopold Ashen Briner kind of predicted a
lot of the stuff that is happening and
and was happening leading up until now.
I think a lot of people are going to
dismiss his ideas now because he blew up
the fund. But the reason he blew up the
fund is he was leveraged like 4x. So
that means if you have a fund with
billions and billions in it and whatever
you're holding goes down just 25% that
means you're just completely wiped out.
or Ken Griffin comes in and says that
the stocks are going down. So, the
stocks go down and whoever was providing
leverage to Leopold calls the loans back
and then Leopold has to sell to Ken
Griffin on pennies on the dollar. I just
realized I went on a massive tangent.
The point is Deis Habibus wasn't aboard
the RSI train. That's what I was talking
about like half an hour ago. For some
reason, it didn't seem like Demis
believed in this idea of scaling up to
super intelligence or AGI past AGI
through just a focus on these coding
models. He believed in world models. He
believed in a different approach from
what the other labs were focused on. So,
of course, as you know, he's out. So,
Deis stepped down as CEO of DeepMine.
And then, so he's now the chair of
DeepMind plus chief scientist of
Alphabet. And this will allow him more
time on isomorphic labs. But of course
there's a massive exodus, right? We had
Nome Shazir going to OpenAI, John Jumper
going to Anthropic. Jonas Adler and
Alexander Pritzell going to Anthropic.
And so there's a lot of issues that were
listed there. The reasons for why this
is happening, low morale, Habibus was
described as being absent, long 60-hour
weeks, a backlash to their Pentagon
contract. But the point is that Gemini 4
is a completely different direction,
different leadership, different
direction. And these people are RSI PL
Sergey Brin the co-founder of Google the
original one. So apparently he was back
at the office working on these coding
models. And so July 21st Google confirms
it saying we have already started our
most ambitious pre-training run yet for
Gemini 4. Logan Kilpatrick echoed it on
X and then on the Q2 earning call that
was July 23rd. So Sundar Pichai the CEO
of Google. So he's saying Gemini 4 will
need a much larger base model to compete
with the other existing models. He
called it significantly larger. So
again, we're seeing a kind of step up in
the number of parameters, maybe probably
closer to Mythos and Fable and Astro. He
also said that coding and autonomous
agents are the priorities. A few days
ago, there was some leaked eval. So
again, this is all unverified, so keep
that in mind. Take it with a grain of
salt. But it seems like this is a 1.5
token context window. Seems like this
Gemini 4 will beat Claude Fable 5 and
GPT 5.6 Soul on coding. Again, not
confirmed, but certainly that would make
sense. It would make sense if what they
were doing before wasn't working. So,
they did this whole big shift, created
something bigger, and then released it
and it's on par with Fable 5. If it's
not, Google will have some splaining to
do. there might be some serious issues
if it's not catching up to kind of that
level because keep in mind Gemini 3.5
Pro was promised to us I don't even know
when a long long time ago and it missed
all of the deadlines which people
expected for the potential release. A
lot of guests as you why that happened
but you know why cuz it sucked. It
sucked compared to what's out there.
Google can't put their best model
forward that's that's significantly
worse than everything else. There's also
a Google SDK software development kit
where Gemini 4 flash preview was mapped
to the Gemma 4 tokenizer family. So this
is basically suggesting that there's
active internal testing at Google for
some version of Gemini 4. So Poly Market
has an 85% chance that it will get
released by November 30 of 68% chance by
October 31st. Analysts are also
expecting it sometime in November,
December based on Google's kind of
cadence of release. So, kind of put a
pin in that and let's talk about the OX
alpha, the stealth model. So, it was
dropped anonymously on open router and
also in open code. A lot of people are
losing their minds over this one, but
there there seems to be some differences
in opinion. Some people are saying it's
it's bad. It's nowhere near kind of like
the frontier models. Some people are
posting some pretty impressive things on
X. I haven't tested it personally. It
also seems to be one of the kind of
first models to advertise that has video
as an input. So, text, image, video.
There's a few benchmarks that I just
absolutely killed on. Also, for Ben
Davis's full 113 task deep, it land
around 63%. So, it's kind of mid-tier
GPT 5.6 soul territory. So, we'll see
what it's really like when it actually
comes out, but it's probably not going
to be anything mindshattering, at least
not across the board. And from
everything that I've seen, this is most
likely GLM 5.5. all the kind of like
technical markers, certain writing
markers, a stack trace leak, like all
this points to this being the next GLM
model. So 5.x like 5.5 or similar. By
the way, tons of people were guessing
what this model could have been. One of
the most or one of the more interesting
guesses I thought was this. It was just
ox alpha and a picture of this which I
think refers to that whole opening eye
Sam Almond post where they just had a
picture of the death star but here
instead of a death star this is just
appears to be someone's forehead. Whose
forehead could it be? It's interesting
too to kind of think about this like as
soon as I saw it I knew exactly who was
uh referring to. Sometimes you don't
understand how iconic of a forehead
someone has until you see something like
this and you're like oh I I totally know
who we're talking about. Which of course
brings us to Ilia Sutzkover and SSI,
Safe Super Intelligence. That's his
company. So August 4th, Gavin Baker on
Invest Like the Best podcast says the
following. SSI says that they will come
out with their model in August. Now, of
course, SSI has confirmed nothing about
this. There's no announcements, there's
no paper, there's no demos, there's no
API, there's like nothing. They are
eerily quiet. You really don't hear too
much out of that company. And their
whole founding line was this idea that's
a straight shot to super intelligence.
Like that's kind of what they were
saying in the beginning. Like no product
releases, no models were going to be
quiet and then one day poof super
intelligence. Nothing in between. So
either that quote isn't correct or SSI
decided to change how they approach
things. And that is actually likely it's
possible. Ilia Susker has been softening
kind of how he's referring to this no
model release plan. More recently, he
said that gradual releases would be part
of any plausible plan so that the public
and the governments can see kind of
what's what's happening, what's being
released. And of course, right around
July 27th was when SSI announced that
they're partnering with Nvidia. So, it
looks like Nvidia invested something
like 5 billion into SSI and SSI gets
priority access to the Verra Rubin uh
system and platform. So, this is
expanding SSI's availability of compute
by an order of magnitude. this is a a
massive increase of what they have
access to. And as Satsk said, we have
research that is worthy of scaling up
and having access to a big Nvidia
computer will let us do so. He likes
using that big computer terminology. I
think in that whole lawsuit where he was
um where he was deposed, I think he was
regularly using that terminology, I
guess, to make the people in the
courtroom understand what he was talking
about. I think at some point he said
something along the lines of uh we need
to make AI we needed a big computer. to
make a big computer, we needed big
money. No big money, no big computer. It
was it was something like that. So Gavin
Baker's remark that was a week or maybe
two, three weeks after that acquisition,
merger or investment partnership,
whatever you want to call it. So
certainly it does seem that there might
be some truth to that. So that's kind of
what's happening. That's what we can
expect between now and the end of the
year. So it's going to be exciting. But
also, and I've told you this before,
just kind of take your cyber security
seriously. I'm not even trying to sell
you anything. I'm just saying don't get
poned. If you made it this far, thank
you so much for watching. My name is Wes
Roth.
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The video discusses the rapidly evolving AI landscape as we approach the end of the year, focusing on upcoming model releases like Gemini 4 and the potential impact of stealth models. A major emphasis is placed on the security risks posed by these increasingly powerful tools, with warnings from the NSA and FBI about AI-driven cyber attacks on critical infrastructure. Furthermore, the video covers leadership changes and strategic shifts at major labs like Google and SSI, highlighting a shift toward coding and autonomous agents in pursuit of more advanced intelligence.
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