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All right, so there's some interesting

0:01

developments on the AI model front. In

0:04

the near future, we're likely going to

0:06

be seeing the release of Gemini 4. We

0:09

already have proof that it's being

0:10

tested internally. It already finished

0:12

pre-training, as far as we can tell, and

0:14

it's going to be released soon. At the

0:17

same time, people are losing their minds

0:19

over the ox alpha model, which is a

0:21

stealth model that's being tested right

0:23

now. Nobody knows what lab it is. Could

0:26

that be Gemini 4? Could it be a Chinese

0:28

model? Or could this be the first model

0:30

released by Ilia Suskgiver from SSI safe

0:33

super intelligence according to Gavin

0:35

Baker on a podcast he was interviewed

0:37

and he's saying that SSI that's Ilia's

0:39

company they say that they're going to

0:41

come out with their model in August like

0:43

this month. Now here's the thing. The Ox

0:45

Alpha model is probably not one of the

0:48

Western models but the point is we're

0:50

going to be seeing the release of a lot

0:52

of huge models that are way beyond what

0:55

we have right now. And of course, don't

0:57

forget OpenAI will soon hopefully be

1:00

releasing their Astra model. This is

1:02

that mythos level model from OpenAI.

1:05

Some of them are expected to drop

1:06

sometime in October, maybe November. But

1:09

the point is this, between now and the

1:12

end of the year, these models will be

1:15

released to the general public unless

1:17

something major changes. And of course,

1:18

we've crossed a certain red line with I

1:22

think most would say with Mythos 5.

1:24

Mythos 5 was the first model where an AI

1:26

lab said, "We're not releasing it. It's

1:29

too dangerous." Now, I know there's some

1:31

people still out there that think this

1:32

is just marketing. None of these models

1:34

pose an actual threat. Here's a

1:36

counterpoint. This is at CNBC.com. I was

1:39

trying to make it dark mode. It just

1:41

wouldn't go dark mode. So, this is

1:42

grayscale the best I can make it. The

1:44

US, specifically the NSA, they're

1:47

warning that certain bad actors will be

1:50

and are currently attempting to hack the

1:52

US energy and water supply. NSA and FBI

1:56

warns of hackers using AI generated

1:58

tools and attacks on critical

1:59

infrastructure technology. So these are

2:01

all the kind of major agency of the US.

2:04

The whole alphabet soup is there. CISA,

2:06

FBI, NSA, DOE, EPA in a joint advisory

2:11

that was created 2 days ago are saying

2:14

this quote, "This is not a theoretical

2:18

risk. It's an active threat." Meanwhile,

2:21

you might see a breaking story as of

2:23

today, August 22nd, from Telegram, where

2:26

Iranian hackers shut down a UK power

2:29

plant for 4 days. It's fair to say that

2:31

this is probably the most successful

2:34

cyber attack against the UK to date.

2:37

Mainly because there's nothing close to

2:39

compare it to. So, just to be clear,

2:41

there's no, as far as I can tell,

2:43

reading the publication so far. So, this

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is a breaking story, but nowhere in

2:47

there did I see them say anything

2:48

connecting AI to this. So, of course,

2:51

you're free to believe what you want.

2:53

But in my book, we've seen some

2:55

never-beforeseen hacks and attacks in

2:57

cyber security against hardware Bitcoin

3:00

wallets, 20-year-old glitches and bugs

3:02

and vulnerabilities discovered in very

3:05

well-known and tested code bases. The

3:08

statement from NSA and FBI. So they

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explicitly say that they are not sure

3:14

whether it's Iran linked or not. And in

3:17

their statement that joint advisory

3:19

statement, they do say that attackers

3:21

are using AI to generate Python

3:23

exploitation script and these are built

3:25

on open-source Python libraries. The

3:27

agencies say that quote, "This

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represents an evolution in threat actor

3:31

capabilities, dramatically reducing the

3:33

technical expertise and time required to

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be able to conduct cyber attacks such as

3:38

these." So, I'll leave it up to you to

3:40

decide if you believe that AI was

3:42

involved in that UK attack or not. If

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you don't think AI was involved, I uh I

3:47

got a power plan to sell you. Okay, so

3:49

I've kind of reported the facts and I

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was careful to not overstate them. But

3:53

here, let me just say what I believe is

3:55

happening. This is my opinion, but let

3:57

me kind of unload here a little bit.

3:59

Fable 5 was the first model that is

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truly dangerous for these cyber

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capabilities. Some of the stuff that's

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been released since then, as well as the

4:07

Chinese distillations of those models,

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they are also dangerous. And again,

4:12

these are not hypothetical threats.

4:15

These are active threats. People are

4:16

getting hacked right now. 100 million in

4:19

in Bitcoin lost, a power plant shut

4:21

down. Again, I'm assuming it's AI is

4:24

involved one way or another. And like

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the NSA and the FBI saying before, you

4:28

needed really smart people that knew

4:30

what they were doing in cyber security

4:32

to conduct these operations. Smart

4:34

people that know what they're doing in

4:35

cyber security are very well- paid and

4:38

usually won't engage in these sort of

4:40

shenanigans, you know, for the most part

4:42

unless they're statebacked and therefore

4:44

getting paid very well to to do this

4:46

without, you know, threat of some

4:48

criminal persecution. But my point is

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there's a limited amount of people,

4:52

humans, and how much time they can spend

4:53

on this, you know, to be able to do

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these cyber attacks. These new models

4:57

that are being released, they they

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change the situation completely. If you

5:01

look at the chart of who uses the most

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tokens. So who uses AI models the most

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actually you know the thinking the the

5:08

processing the tokens it's not humans at

5:10

this point AI agents are using a lot

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more tokens. That chart just goes up and

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up. And likely a lot of these agents are

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crawling all sorts of different

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databases trying to find these

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vulnerabilities. That NSA/FBI

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specifically what they flagged was an

5:25

internet exposed Seaman's S7 PLC's.

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They're industrial computers mainly used

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for automating manufacturing for for

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power plants for various infrastructure

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things like that. So basically some

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people out there are using AI models to

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find vulnerabilities in these chips that

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are are exposed to the internet that are

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used for power plants and manufacturing

5:47

plants, water plants, all sorts of

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industry all across the world. One

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interesting thing that stood out to me

5:53

in the NSA report is they describe this

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as persistent reconnaissance. So with

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the NSA and FBI, they're not saying that

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there's this wave of attacks. They're

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not saying that. The thing that they've

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discovered, the thing that they're

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worried about is these AI agents are

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just crawling all over the place, every

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single codebase, every single thing

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that's exposed to the internet just

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looking for ways in. They're not

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hacking. They're not attacking. They're

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just constantly going through every

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codebase they can with a fine tooth comb

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trying to find some glitch, some

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vulnerability. And we know they're

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finding it. We know that they're finding

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them at scale because a lot of the quote

6:28

unquote good guys are doing the same

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thing. They're reporting all this stuff

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we're finding. So we know that there's

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tons of holes in these code bases all

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over the place. So a lot of people that

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are saying that, you know, so what?

6:39

What's the big deal? You know, human

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engineers could already find these

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issues. This is the thing they're

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missing. Yeah, maybe. And surely they

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could find those issues. Perhaps even a

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competent intern, you know, pointed in

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the right direction could find these

6:53

issues. But never before in the history

6:54

of the world could we get, you know,

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agents that can work 24 hours a day that

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can be cloned infinitely to continuously

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go through and find these exploits. So

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when the quoteunquote big one hits, it

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might not be just one. It might be

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multiple ones across different

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industries. And a wave of attacks like

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this could be extremely destabilizing if

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a bunch of banks and financial

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institutions all get hit in rapid

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succession that could trigger

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potentially a sell-off. The power grid

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going down across a wide enough area

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could cause all sorts of issues of its

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own. So the big point here is be

7:29

careful. We should all take cyber

7:30

security a lot more seriously than we

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did before. And I think chances are that

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there's going to be a lot more of an

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overlap between kind of the government

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and the big tech institutions and big

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financial institutions and every

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industry organization. Everything is

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going to be pulled in closer around this

7:48

subject of AI. On this channel, we've

7:50

been talking about this for quite some

7:52

time. AI will overlap with everything.

7:55

AI will, you know, eat the world. It

7:57

will dis it will disrupt everything. So,

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the people that are saying that all of

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this is just PR stunts and marketing for

8:04

the AI Frontier Labs, please, please,

8:06

please do not listen to those people.

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This wave is coming and it's going to be

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bumpy for a while. And that's why these

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new model releases are so interesting to

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watch. They are very relevant to the and

8:18

let's start with Gemini 4. One thing I

8:20

talked about a number of months ago, one

8:23

thing that I felt was a little bit weird

8:25

was that at Google, Google Deep Mind,

8:27

Deis Hassabus, he wasn't fully on board

8:30

the whole RSI train. So while Anthropic

8:33

and OpenAI and XAI, everybody else,

8:34

they're kind of trying to get their

8:36

models to be as good at coding and

8:38

agettic capabilities. And of course, the

8:40

reason we think why they're doing that

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is to be able to get to RSI, recursive

8:44

self-improvement, to basically get these

8:46

models to start working on progressing

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AI forward on automating AI research.

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And it kind of seemed clear that a lot

8:54

of the AI labs, they were trying to move

8:56

toward this. Of course, Leopold Ashen

8:58

Brener and the intelligence explosion

9:01

like blog post kind of really detailed

9:03

that whole process. By the way, he was

9:05

also one of the first people to really

9:07

predict, I think, what's happening now.

9:09

Now, of course, recently, he completely

9:11

wrecked his fund, which was just flying

9:13

skyhigh and getting insane results cuz

9:15

he was betting on his thesis and he was

9:18

just killing it. Apparently, Ken

9:20

Griffin, the founder of Citadel, if

9:22

you've seen that movie, uh, Dumb Money,

9:24

that that kind of portrayed that whole

9:26

GameStop saga of of 2020, 2021, whatever

9:29

that was, that guy ended up buying most

9:31

of his funds for, you know, discounted

9:34

rates and maybe even had a role to play

9:36

in the downfold of situational

9:39

intelligence, which was Leo Bald Ashen,

9:40

Ashen Brener's fund. I wish I did a

9:42

whole video about that at the time it

9:44

was happening because that whole thing

9:46

is just wild, man. But the point is

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Leopold Ashen Briner kind of predicted a

9:51

lot of the stuff that is happening and

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and was happening leading up until now.

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I think a lot of people are going to

9:57

dismiss his ideas now because he blew up

9:59

the fund. But the reason he blew up the

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fund is he was leveraged like 4x. So

10:04

that means if you have a fund with

10:05

billions and billions in it and whatever

10:08

you're holding goes down just 25% that

10:11

means you're just completely wiped out.

10:13

or Ken Griffin comes in and says that

10:14

the stocks are going down. So, the

10:16

stocks go down and whoever was providing

10:19

leverage to Leopold calls the loans back

10:22

and then Leopold has to sell to Ken

10:24

Griffin on pennies on the dollar. I just

10:26

realized I went on a massive tangent.

10:28

The point is Deis Habibus wasn't aboard

10:31

the RSI train. That's what I was talking

10:33

about like half an hour ago. For some

10:35

reason, it didn't seem like Demis

10:37

believed in this idea of scaling up to

10:39

super intelligence or AGI past AGI

10:42

through just a focus on these coding

10:44

models. He believed in world models. He

10:47

believed in a different approach from

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what the other labs were focused on. So,

10:52

of course, as you know, he's out. So,

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Deis stepped down as CEO of DeepMine.

10:57

And then, so he's now the chair of

10:59

DeepMind plus chief scientist of

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Alphabet. And this will allow him more

11:03

time on isomorphic labs. But of course

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there's a massive exodus, right? We had

11:07

Nome Shazir going to OpenAI, John Jumper

11:09

going to Anthropic. Jonas Adler and

11:11

Alexander Pritzell going to Anthropic.

11:13

And so there's a lot of issues that were

11:15

listed there. The reasons for why this

11:17

is happening, low morale, Habibus was

11:19

described as being absent, long 60-hour

11:21

weeks, a backlash to their Pentagon

11:24

contract. But the point is that Gemini 4

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is a completely different direction,

11:29

different leadership, different

11:30

direction. And these people are RSI PL

11:34

Sergey Brin the co-founder of Google the

11:36

original one. So apparently he was back

11:38

at the office working on these coding

11:41

models. And so July 21st Google confirms

11:44

it saying we have already started our

11:45

most ambitious pre-training run yet for

11:48

Gemini 4. Logan Kilpatrick echoed it on

11:50

X and then on the Q2 earning call that

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was July 23rd. So Sundar Pichai the CEO

11:55

of Google. So he's saying Gemini 4 will

11:57

need a much larger base model to compete

11:59

with the other existing models. He

12:01

called it significantly larger. So

12:03

again, we're seeing a kind of step up in

12:05

the number of parameters, maybe probably

12:07

closer to Mythos and Fable and Astro. He

12:10

also said that coding and autonomous

12:12

agents are the priorities. A few days

12:14

ago, there was some leaked eval. So

12:16

again, this is all unverified, so keep

12:19

that in mind. Take it with a grain of

12:20

salt. But it seems like this is a 1.5

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token context window. Seems like this

12:25

Gemini 4 will beat Claude Fable 5 and

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GPT 5.6 Soul on coding. Again, not

12:30

confirmed, but certainly that would make

12:33

sense. It would make sense if what they

12:36

were doing before wasn't working. So,

12:37

they did this whole big shift, created

12:39

something bigger, and then released it

12:41

and it's on par with Fable 5. If it's

12:44

not, Google will have some splaining to

12:46

do. there might be some serious issues

12:48

if it's not catching up to kind of that

12:51

level because keep in mind Gemini 3.5

12:53

Pro was promised to us I don't even know

12:55

when a long long time ago and it missed

12:57

all of the deadlines which people

12:59

expected for the potential release. A

13:01

lot of guests as you why that happened

13:03

but you know why cuz it sucked. It

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sucked compared to what's out there.

13:06

Google can't put their best model

13:08

forward that's that's significantly

13:10

worse than everything else. There's also

13:12

a Google SDK software development kit

13:15

where Gemini 4 flash preview was mapped

13:18

to the Gemma 4 tokenizer family. So this

13:20

is basically suggesting that there's

13:21

active internal testing at Google for

13:25

some version of Gemini 4. So Poly Market

13:27

has an 85% chance that it will get

13:29

released by November 30 of 68% chance by

13:32

October 31st. Analysts are also

13:34

expecting it sometime in November,

13:35

December based on Google's kind of

13:37

cadence of release. So, kind of put a

13:40

pin in that and let's talk about the OX

13:42

alpha, the stealth model. So, it was

13:44

dropped anonymously on open router and

13:47

also in open code. A lot of people are

13:48

losing their minds over this one, but

13:51

there there seems to be some differences

13:53

in opinion. Some people are saying it's

13:55

it's bad. It's nowhere near kind of like

13:57

the frontier models. Some people are

13:58

posting some pretty impressive things on

14:00

X. I haven't tested it personally. It

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also seems to be one of the kind of

14:04

first models to advertise that has video

14:05

as an input. So, text, image, video.

14:08

There's a few benchmarks that I just

14:09

absolutely killed on. Also, for Ben

14:11

Davis's full 113 task deep, it land

14:15

around 63%. So, it's kind of mid-tier

14:18

GPT 5.6 soul territory. So, we'll see

14:21

what it's really like when it actually

14:22

comes out, but it's probably not going

14:25

to be anything mindshattering, at least

14:28

not across the board. And from

14:29

everything that I've seen, this is most

14:31

likely GLM 5.5. all the kind of like

14:34

technical markers, certain writing

14:36

markers, a stack trace leak, like all

14:39

this points to this being the next GLM

14:42

model. So 5.x like 5.5 or similar. By

14:46

the way, tons of people were guessing

14:47

what this model could have been. One of

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the most or one of the more interesting

14:52

guesses I thought was this. It was just

14:54

ox alpha and a picture of this which I

14:57

think refers to that whole opening eye

14:59

Sam Almond post where they just had a

15:02

picture of the death star but here

15:04

instead of a death star this is just

15:06

appears to be someone's forehead. Whose

15:08

forehead could it be? It's interesting

15:10

too to kind of think about this like as

15:12

soon as I saw it I knew exactly who was

15:14

uh referring to. Sometimes you don't

15:15

understand how iconic of a forehead

15:18

someone has until you see something like

15:20

this and you're like oh I I totally know

15:21

who we're talking about. Which of course

15:23

brings us to Ilia Sutzkover and SSI,

15:26

Safe Super Intelligence. That's his

15:28

company. So August 4th, Gavin Baker on

15:31

Invest Like the Best podcast says the

15:33

following. SSI says that they will come

15:35

out with their model in August. Now, of

15:37

course, SSI has confirmed nothing about

15:39

this. There's no announcements, there's

15:41

no paper, there's no demos, there's no

15:43

API, there's like nothing. They are

15:46

eerily quiet. You really don't hear too

15:48

much out of that company. And their

15:49

whole founding line was this idea that's

15:51

a straight shot to super intelligence.

15:53

Like that's kind of what they were

15:54

saying in the beginning. Like no product

15:56

releases, no models were going to be

15:58

quiet and then one day poof super

16:00

intelligence. Nothing in between. So

16:02

either that quote isn't correct or SSI

16:05

decided to change how they approach

16:07

things. And that is actually likely it's

16:09

possible. Ilia Susker has been softening

16:12

kind of how he's referring to this no

16:14

model release plan. More recently, he

16:16

said that gradual releases would be part

16:19

of any plausible plan so that the public

16:22

and the governments can see kind of

16:23

what's what's happening, what's being

16:25

released. And of course, right around

16:26

July 27th was when SSI announced that

16:29

they're partnering with Nvidia. So, it

16:31

looks like Nvidia invested something

16:33

like 5 billion into SSI and SSI gets

16:36

priority access to the Verra Rubin uh

16:39

system and platform. So, this is

16:41

expanding SSI's availability of compute

16:43

by an order of magnitude. this is a a

16:45

massive increase of what they have

16:47

access to. And as Satsk said, we have

16:49

research that is worthy of scaling up

16:51

and having access to a big Nvidia

16:53

computer will let us do so. He likes

16:55

using that big computer terminology. I

16:57

think in that whole lawsuit where he was

16:59

um where he was deposed, I think he was

17:01

regularly using that terminology, I

17:03

guess, to make the people in the

17:05

courtroom understand what he was talking

17:06

about. I think at some point he said

17:07

something along the lines of uh we need

17:09

to make AI we needed a big computer. to

17:12

make a big computer, we needed big

17:14

money. No big money, no big computer. It

17:16

was it was something like that. So Gavin

17:18

Baker's remark that was a week or maybe

17:21

two, three weeks after that acquisition,

17:23

merger or investment partnership,

17:25

whatever you want to call it. So

17:26

certainly it does seem that there might

17:28

be some truth to that. So that's kind of

17:30

what's happening. That's what we can

17:31

expect between now and the end of the

17:33

year. So it's going to be exciting. But

17:35

also, and I've told you this before,

17:37

just kind of take your cyber security

17:39

seriously. I'm not even trying to sell

17:41

you anything. I'm just saying don't get

17:43

poned. If you made it this far, thank

17:45

you so much for watching. My name is Wes

17:46

Roth.

Interactive Summary

The video discusses the rapidly evolving AI landscape as we approach the end of the year, focusing on upcoming model releases like Gemini 4 and the potential impact of stealth models. A major emphasis is placed on the security risks posed by these increasingly powerful tools, with warnings from the NSA and FBI about AI-driven cyber attacks on critical infrastructure. Furthermore, the video covers leadership changes and strategic shifts at major labs like Google and SSI, highlighting a shift toward coding and autonomous agents in pursuit of more advanced intelligence.

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