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all right everybody Welcome to uh the

Allin inauguration special we are here

in town uh to celebrate Andor

commiserate the second term of Donald

Trump depending on where you sit on the

political spectrum and we are extremely

lucky to have a partner in Spotify who

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host us it's very cool uh with me today

of course my co-host shth poaa and David

freeberg who is a little under the

weather because let's be honest

freedberg you've been out there you and

Lex took on the town last night I had a

good time with Lex Freedman last night

it was good let's leave it at that let's

leave it at that yeah that sounds great

it's been a couple nights in a row I'm

pretty beat jamaath you have a very busy

social schedule and uh you've been just

bouncing around town with the Who's Who

and taking CR for Donald Trump's Victory

how's the Victory lap going here cuz you

played such a key role here by coming

out and being even more unlikable in our

hometown of the Bay Area and supporting

Trump I'm a small bit player a bit

player but as you said to me in the car

over here you were the folc room that

started the boulder that created the win

I said none of that but uh I think more

changes are coming Jason maybe to our

home state of California let's see let's

see um let's see phase two we're

extremely um honored to have Tom Emer

here he is the US representative from

The Amazing state of Minnesota home of

Bob Dyan Prince and the Cohen Brothers

and Tim Walls and Tim

Walls coming in hot already well let's

start

there let's start there um how much of a

disaster uh was the Democratic party and

when you watched what happened with

Biden in all seriousness do you think

there was a cover up in terms of his

mental acuity and what do you think of

kamla's job out there not doing podcasts

and uh essentially being anointed and

not having a primary the Democratic

party seems lost crooked and crooked

okay yeah I mean the leadership I I got

good friends who are Democrats so I

don't I'm not going to disparage them

but uh first Jason all of you thank you

it's nice to be on Allin I heard

everybody's heard about it everybody

wants to be here so it's just nice that

and you promised you'd listen to it

after this right

actually I listened last week sadly it

was about the fires but uh uh the

uh the way they did this uh was if you

think about it ballot access is a big

thing you you have to run for uh months

and you have to get delegates and you

have to make your case state by state

and you have to meet certain

requirements to actually end up on the

ballot how the Democrats are able to

remove move Joe Biden literally uh in a

coup a back room coup and install kamla

Harris in a matter of hours or days uh

and avoid any convention uh like real

democracy taking place where people are

debating their candidates and where

they're at and then to your your uh

other question that that's wrong but

your other question was uh Joe Biden was

there a coverup I a coverup is when you

don't see it when you don't know about

it when you're totally unaware this

wasn't a coverup this was a conspiracy

everybody in this town for four years

watched when he came in he was already

diminished and watch him continue to

diminish over the course of his uh over

the course of his uh uh term it was the

mainstream media that refused to

actually comment on it and then it was

amazing overnight when uh he has the

debate last June it's like oh my gosh

this is terrible look at this and and

suddenly it was like they'd never seen

it before this was a conspiracy by a

left-wing media that uh they're littered

with people who have a partisan View and

they write about it they create stories

about it and they don't tell you the

whole story if you were here let's go

down this pull this thread a little bit

more because you said the the Democrats

themselves are good people some of them

many of them you know but then the

leadership you said was corrupt so just

can you help us understand who is the

leadership and then how does the

corruption play out what does the

corruption look like well remember I'm

on the Republican side yeah no but I'm

but I I can tell you what I watch what I

watch is there were two times that they

literally whoever they are it would be

the superdelegates it a lot of people

would say it's the Obamas it's the

clintons it's the you know by original

that's the that's the boogeyman for what

it's worth that people point to at least

when you're not in DC like if somebody

said who who are the leadership elected

or otherwise that runs a Democratic

party a lot of people would point to the

Obamas and then some of these super

donors is that sort of your perception

of how it works it is and the reason I I

go back as you'll remember Bernie

Sanders is marching towards the

Democratic nomination right and they get

to South Carolina and all of a sudden

Amy kashar from my state it's just one

after another I'm out I'm out I support

uh Joe Biden right clearly the

whoever that is because you're right

we're not in the room to see is it the

Obamas is it uh Consultants like

Carville or Axel Rod or whoever who is

in that room yeah uh but whoever's in

that room they have a plan when it gets

to the end and I I never thought Joe uh

Biden was going to be the

candidate and that's not how the

Republican Party operates because I

think some people in the public have

this perception that both parties

operate that way that there is a cabal

of the the most influential and

ultimately they end up getting to pick

and the other party does the same thing

is that not the case no and clearly that

wasn't the case with Trump right yeah no

ours I I would say that watching from

the outside again we're not on the

inside of the Democrat machine but

watching from the outside that's a top-

down process on the Republican side

that's a bottom up process and uh Donald

Trump is the best example of best

example because uh people in this town

you know especially in the house where I

serve are like you know we we got the

American people we have a mandate and

you got to remind them yeah no no Donald

Trump has a mandate he got 77 million

votes we got a little less than 75

million so if you're looking at who

literally is expanding this party and

pulling this party over the line it's

one guy it's Donald Trump so to your

point do you view him the party leader I

do so to your point this was a almost

like a Donald Trump hostile takeover of

the Republicans meaning if you look at

the establishment rhetoric of what

Republicans stood for I don't think

Trump really cared he had a point of

view and he had his own intellectual

agenda and ideology and to your point 77

million people said I go with that do

you think that that's possible on the

Democratic side as well do you think

that there's a different ideology that

needs to be born there I can only tell

you the experience I've had with one of

my Minnesota colleagues who I I won't

name him but he might have run against

the uh sitting president I he he was we

were talking on the house floor one day

and I was uh complaining to or giving

him a hard time I should say about some

of the

uh off-color remarks coming from the

squad and he made a point of telling me

off color sorry off color H well let's

just say there were some anti-semitic uh

comments uh All About the Benjamins this

stuff and there was a centure that was

being worked on oh wow yeah and uh uh it

was public but the point is when I was

saying boy you've had quite a week he

goes oh yeah yeah he says that's a very

small group of people in our party with

very large voices and my response to him

was okay well that might be true but

then people like you have to stand up

and speak up and take my grandfather's

Democrat Party back exactly and so no I

think they've got a problem identity

politics which they've perfected and

been playing for years it has now come

back to bite them and there's where is

the way out they don't have a brand they

don't know who they are they they

they're fighting about things like men

participating in in women's sports I

mean it just it isn't resonating with

the American people so they're they're

going to have to figure that out for the

future but on our side we're going to

have to figure out Donald Trump is the

one that pulled this across the line

here's here's the problem with the

Republican party for me the last 30

years we've had great people

representing us but the public has been

very frustrated because it seems like

government and the bureau rats always

get a better deal right than the average

citizen in this country right we're

talking about Main Street we're not

talking about Silicon Valley which has

its own Main Street but I'm talking

about just good old Main Street USA you

know where it's rural country it's uh

you know people who are just trying to

live their lives they feel like their

government hasn't been listening to them

for years this is what spawned the tea

party this is why we've had this over

and over and Donald Trump you got to

give him credit this energy was out

there and he actually grabbed it and he

showed us what it looked like when he

ran in 16 and he took the time to

understand it or or he just innately has

an ability to read people better than

I've ever seen yeah I mean I think he is

a generational retail politician

generational I think he's a one in 150

year leader yeah freeberg you have a lot

of thoughts on fiscal responsibility and

have been bangging the drum on the

national debt Tom you also have a

passion for responsibility maybe you

have some butts on that freeberg or

maybe you can tell us your point of view

on how much of an impact Doge can have I

don't know if you've talked and what you

think reconciliation is going to look

like I mean this is going to be a very

gnarly pitch battle here how how do we

get two trillion out of the why you st

bug exactly why are you stopping at well

actually let's ask that question is two

even possible and if so how do you think

you can get $2 trillion out of it so I'd

rather let's do it two ways I'd rather I

look at what's uh what could we put on

the table and we do this privately so

you won't get me to say what it is where

it is but I'll tell you there's a list

that we've sat down with that uh reaches

somewhere between five and seven

trillion a year uh over the next 10

years okay and the the uh that's what

that two trillion would be over the next

10 years okay I mean it listen if if

you're the budget's 7.2 what's that the

budget the annual budget 7.2 right so

the goal is first we got to balance the

budget you got to quit bleeding 1.5 to

2.2 trillion oh it's another trillion

yeah whatever you got to balance yeah

second thing you got to do is start to

bend the curve down we we got the

greatest economy in the world it hasn't

been performing where it could I I think

with Donald Trump we can put it in place

where it can you can see those revenues

start to go up again and you if youve

have this so you're controlling it you

could pay that you could pay that down

rather quickly I mean if you're talking

in terms of a decade this requires

sacrifice and it requires

representatives from each City uh and

each state to then go to their

constituents and say hey we fought to

get you X Y and Z and you're only going

to get X and Y yeah be careful some tell

you they fight but they're not really

fighting the uh I this this thing is

going to happen because of Donald Trump

I think I I leave it to Mike Johnson

he's the speaker he will make these

decisions I'm not got it I'm the whip

whatever you tell me my job is to make

sure we get it done and that's what

we'll do but I think you're going to see

a two trck process Mike Johnson for

reconciliation has set a deadline he

wants to vote on a budget resolution by

the first week of February why is that

important the budget resolution you have

to have before you can even move forward

with uh uh reconciliation that's usually

pre-negotiated with the Senate so if we

can keep with that aggressive timeline

you'll have that back to the house

sometime in February once you have that

that allows your 12 subcommittees to get

their allotment and start to build out

their right 12 appropriation

subcommittees build out their budgets

Jason Smith our ways and means chair

believes we can have that process done

by the end of March Mike in again in

this our speaker in this uh very

aggressive timeline if that's possible

he would like to vote on it in the house

in the first two weeks of April this

includes

the tax permanency extensions Etc from

the Trump tax cuts back in

2017 if we're able to keep to that

schedule then you could you could

realistically have a Reconciliation Bill

to president's Trump's desk by Memorial

weekend let's just talk about the other

long-term Challenge and your point of

view on the solution what's going to

happen to Social Security by 2030 2032

2033 where's this headed why I think

people are going to have to innovate and

I think you got to honor the promises

that have been made uh there are many

different things out there that are

being looked at like a voluntary program

that people I in a certain range and

this is above my my pay grade A Certain

range age range y like I don't know 18

to whatever it is that are just coming

into this system that it would give them

a choice right they would have a choice

to stay in Social Security as we know it

or to pursue a private route that will

have Federal parameters so you can't

just be putting it into a retirement

account taking it out it would serve the

same purpose but like Australia system

the super system it would obviously and

then it would grow the uh the private

side yeah and sorry is that ultimately

necessary we need to change Social

Security and when do we have to change

it by and now that the election is over

because every politician is scared to

talk about social security because

everyone's got an election coming up are

we going to hear something different

this time around or is it always going

to be the Kick the Can down the road

with Social Security and weever it's

just such a Golden Goose no one can talk

about it no one can touch it Donald

Trump was elected for three reasons one

to fix uh our economic woses uh the

inflation that's killed people uh get

energy moving again seal the southern

border and create peace and stability

around the globe if we perform and I'm

I'm going to change that because that's

not really my attitude when we perform

you start to build credibility with the

American public then and only then can

you start talking about because nobody

believes us right right so in in the

media plays games they try to pit us

against each other with these different

ideas the key is you have to honor the

promises that have been made to

Americans since Social Security was

created and then you have to look

forward and again we've said we're not

going to touch Social Security uh

Medicare and Medicaid that was the

president who said that I got that but

there are some uh efficiency things

reforms that you can do around these

programs that actually will make them uh

not only more uh uh viable financially

but more efficient should Americans be

able to trade cryptocurrency freely

without regulations or do you think

those regulations are in place for a

good reason well you're you're talking

so you remember Animal House with the

evil and the good on the shoulders I I

had that last night and the evil one and

well I got the libertarian and the uh

Republican with a small r on either one

libertarian always wins for me but yeah

well and it it used to for me but I

realized that I was a republican with a

small R when I was doing a radio show

with an anarchist for several months and

all he ever said was shut her down she's

pumping mud and it's like oh I must be a

republican I the libertarian says

absolutely okay I the Republican with a

small r i I think the key is going to be

we have the the greatest Financial

system markets here in the United States

in the world all we have an existing

Legacy two-tier banking system uh it

needs to come into the 21st century the

beauty of crypto to me is not just that

it's crypto one it's going to help us if

Congress does its job if we put some

parameters up Market structure you know

give people rules of the road so they

know what they can and can't do and

who's going to be uh having

responsibility for oversight we can

protect the existing two-tier Legacy

system yeah and allow it time to move

into the 21st century I think the the

key is and this is why the central

Bankers are so worried this is so

disruptive and potentially destructive

that they're scared to death it's not

just losing their power they're they're

afraid that uh this decentralization is

going to somehow send Finance back to

the uh I suppose there are also a

concern that consumers maybe who are not

super sophisticated or new to it might

lose their money and yesterday Trump

launched a $30 billion yeah coin uh

which we refer to on the internet as a

coin or a meme coin are you troubled by

him doing something like that was that a

wise decision on his part I don't know

time will tell about that he seems to

make some pretty good decisions they've

uh they've done you got work on the

regulations for that so if he can do

that can we all just do it and take any

you could have done it too oh well it

was a the SEC previously would have um

actually gone after you for um taking

money from retail investors ding dong

the witch is dead now we're going to be

moving forward with a new SEC got it

okay so

YOLO What's that YOLO YOLO you only live

once just go for it my uh my staff gives

me a hard time because I don't know all

those cute quips yeah but you're you're

cool with it you're cool with him doing

a coin 24 hours before I have no problem

did you see the mem that said Baron

apparently had his dad's phone last

night made a billion

dollar I love the baron memes they're my

favorite they call him the Lian alib

which if you like if you watch Dune is

like he's the Savior that's sent in Dune

to basically save all of us it's

definitely going to be an interesting

four years uh let's talk about right now

Jason is about to implode Congressman

what you're seeing is him melting down

has a big like negative bias against um

these coins no no no I have a bias

against stealing meanwhile you want

every ret you want every retail investor

to have access to buy startups and

because that that'll benefit you but

when it comes to coins you're like oh no

one should be able to do that no I'll

address that I think there should be a

sophisticated investor test where people

learn about things like diversification

they learn who owns 80% of the coins

that just been dumped on retail and

under what circumstance they can sell

them and you know there is a a

legitimate issue here that uh foreign

adversaries could just buy these coins

that influence the president I think

that's a real concern that people should

have so you can diminish it you're it

it's actually a real issue I actually

agree with you like Securities

regulations require and when you do an

IPO you file an S1 and you disclose who

owns the shares yes and it has to go on

a regulated exchange so you know who the

buyers of the shares are so I do

actually think your framework is pretty

reasonable that it I thought you were

just mocking me well I do mock you yeah

in addition let's go to the next one

then no no I do think that's right you

brought up the Border uh Steve Bannon

says huh I did you did you said the

Border was one of the M re in his uh

mandate yeah so let's talk about that

part of the Mandate that you brought up

uh Steve Bon says he's doing a great job

today's moderator you're doing I think

he's the only one that s they knock you

down and then they build you up it's all

good I'm not paying attention to them

I'm paying attention to you this is

called management Steve Bannon said he

wants all 15 out day one so what's going

on uh Steve Miller says America is for

Americans and Americans

only do you believe 15 million people

should be dragged out of this country

day one like Steve Bannon and Steve

Miller I I think we should look at what

the American people think so a New York

Times of all Outlets had a poll that

said uh it's like 80% I believe that

criminals terrorists uh people who have

committed uh bad offenses should be the

hell out of here yeah easy one to have

consensus on you no but then it starts

to drop down yeah which is uh the next

one is a uh oh I forget what the second

one is it drops down about 60 but 55% of

Americans believe any illegal immigrant

should be out of here how many 55% 55%

this in a New York po W what do you

think that'll do to the economy you

brought up inflation and we have to tame

that we have 4% unemployment the lowest

of our lifetimes can I just tell you

agricultural um labor costs have climbed

by probably 3x in the last four or five

years yeah it's and there's not enough

labor to address kind of agricultural

production needs in this country

particularly in specialty crops it's the

world I I work in how are we going to

kind of address both the kind of economy

economic demand for labor in this

country and address this kind of

immigration challenge you don't fix your

labor problem with h illegal immigration

uh you fix it by fixing your immigration

system and making sure that it's working

the way it's supposed to by the way I

come from the state of Minnesota the two

primary drivers of our state's private

economy are manufacturing an EG I mean I

I've got huge uh operations of families

that have bound together as a co-op that

they literally have to bring in foreign

workers and they they' built a Village

housing they have teachers but there's

there's the solution this idea and I

come from Minnesota which is why you

made the hair on the back of my neck

stand up the the argument is oh illegals

people who are here illegally and their

Advocates are bracing for Trump's

arrival and then they write an article

that says if they remove all these

people our economy is going to tank

stop it you you you've got laws for a

reason you got to enforce the laws that

are on the books and if they don't work

this is why we passed the strongest

border bill in 20 years with 222 members

in the last Congress which Chuck Schumer

never looked at they they wanted to say

that Trump killed the bipartisan bill

you realize the house bill did five

things finish the wall reform the parole

process reform Asylum uh end Catch and

Release and restore remain in Mexico

those were the five pillars that

so-called bipartisan Bill actually

codified catch and release said that if

you don't have emergency Authority on

the border until you have 5,000 plus one

coming across a day so we seem to have

the answer we seem to have you know

pretty solid consensus here and in the

country criminals who are basically

committing two crimes whatever crime

they committed here and coming cross the

border illegally they have no standing

they go but you seem to be um punting

and not answering the question of should

the 14.5 milon other people dragged out

of the country in year one so maybe you

can answer that one J's a journalist I

I'm telling you right now that Trump

trump was elected to get this what do

you think though you are from a state

where that's going to be highly

unpopular I I don't think you should be

here if you're illegal so all for all 15

million got to go in year one I don't

think you should be here if you're

illegal now you're you're painting with

a pretty broad brush you don't know what

specific using Steve Bannon and Steve

Miller have said so I'm just quoting

their words again I think the

the goal is to make sure Poss JD Vance

JD Vance came on our show and he said

hey you got to do the first thing first

and you know then the second thing

second and the third it's not all going

to happen on day one but yeah it's GNA

be well I'm trying to interpret that but

you're being straight so well actually I

resent that I am being straight I will

tell you Adar no I just want to know if

that this is I think there's a lot of

Americans who want to know if 15 million

people are literally going to be dragged

out this is a big question for the

American people are you going to drag 15

million people out the country or not

because Stephen Miller who seems to be

you know a big part of this

Administration and C Bannon who was the

architect of the previous administration

say that's actually going to happen

people are actually nervous about that

this is when we need sacks here to check

you to fact check you on whether those

guys have said that and the the problem

is you're using terms like dragged them

out no I mean they're going to start

with the worst of the worst in JD's uh

answer you start with those because you

know that this is going to have an

emotional aspect to it and guess what

yeah if you start doing it the way

you're supposed to do it I'm going to

suggest to you that a lot of them are

going to leave voluntarily and then if

we fix the system that we have then we

can start to restore this by the way

that's already happening because I've

heard from a lot of agricultural leaders

they're seeing labor depart the country

right now in anticipation of the

administrative change and a lot of Labor

is very scared of what's Happening they

don't want to be caught they just came

here for work these are individuals who

came to this country to work they

employed whether legally or illegally to

do work that's in demand in this country

and they're worried they're going to go

to jail so they're leaving and there's a

massive outl right now particularly in

rural areas there's a massive out right

now of Labor that's really critical to a

lot of those farming economies and that

a lot of people in the agricultural

sector are very nervous about what's

about to happen in the impact but let me

ask you another question do you think

and in align with elon's point of view

and some of the stuff that's been

promoted that there's a big Push by the

Democrats to keep the borders open to

create more voting Democrats in this

country that that's a big reason or

rationale for the alternative of you

know having illegal immigration then

converting everyone to Legal I think I I

think it's more basic than that I do

think there's a political element to it

states like Minnesota where the uh where

the traditional educated

I what entrepreneur yeah is leaving

they're being replaced with uh in many

cases with illegals yeah right because

we are a sanctuary state right so they

come into Minnesota whether they vote or

not that there is a big there is a big

argument that yes many of them are but I

think the bigger issue is how Congress

is uh divided up you're losing you're

hollowing out whether you're Illinois or

you're New York you're hollowing out

your state they bring illegals in and

Incredibly our census calculates them in

the uh numbers that doesn't make sense

no so you got these blue states that

mandering cartel just to try to how does

yeah I guess that's a longer

conversation and we probably need to

wrap up in a minute I never how that

works have a totally different question

something more fun the job of whip was

totally romanticized after House of C

that Ro you got to kill people well no

because you had you had spy you had spy

in this really famous scene you got an

interesting the Whip and saying when I

was Whi my job was to whip the votes and

then he was screaming into the phone

whip the votes and I just remember this

thinking now that seems like a really

cool job his nickname is Chairman

dictator just so you know he was voted

like number one commentator by Xing pan

Chinese Communist Party in the first

year of podcast I have a lot of

important people that look up to me yes

yeah uh but but just the job of whip is

it as enjoyable as it sounds so

everybody likes to say to me you got the

worst job in Washington DC I think the

speaker has the worst job in Washington

D that guy can be having a great day and

he's got all kinds of people that are

just throwing sandwiches at them all the

time the majority leader uh does a

calendar manages the floor works with

the chairs uh great job the whip you

don't get to do anything those guys want

to do unless we can actually get it

across the floor and the world has

changed I you know they I think well I

know they elected me because they

thought my personality is very direct I

am from uh Minnesota I get the sense

that you're incredibly effective or you

could whip the votes well but it's you

just got to be honest and you got to

respect everybody and and it's a

different world because we probably have

40% of our members who will vote for

whatever Mike Johnson says we're going

to put on the floor okay but we got 60%

and this is what's been changing I think

over the last couple of decades it keeps

getting larger they didn't come here to

follow somebody they came here to to

lead to represent their people and they

need to be involved in the process and

and what I tell them all the time I

don't care if you like each other I

don't care if you despise one another I

don't care if you socialize together or

the second you walk out of here you run

to two polar opposite places when you're

here the American people elected Donald

Trump and we have the benefit of uh a

majority see you're opening the votes

but that's what it is and I I tell them

you got to get over yourself we're going

to let everybody participate in the

process we're going to take all of your

ideas we put the uh the more Centrist

part of our our majority and the more uh

rightwing part of our party together and

that that list of uh savings Cuts

offsets I was talking about we privately

run that through small groups one at a

time so that they can talk to each other

right so that if if you come from a ruby

red District down south and I come from

a you know swingy swingy District in New

York York we can have a conversation

about why I can and can't do something

and why you will and won't do something

and at the end of the day this is how

you're successful everybody wants to be

involved it's it's hard only from the

aspect that you you can't afford to

leave anyone last question uh when you

saw the last week was pretty prolific in

terms of the Senate confirmation

hearings that started um I think we're

still waiting to figure out when Bobby

is going to come up like do you see any

push back who do you think who might not

make it who might not make it I think

everybody's making it I I think anybody

uh that listens to you guys or anything

that interview where they start saying

bringing this up we got to remind people

this has been the left's Playbook since

Robert Bourg yeah they started it with

Robert bour they took him out of his

Supreme Court appointment they uh they

did it to Clarence Thomas they really

did it to Kavanagh and look at this now

they've moved it to Cabinet picks right

and and Pete Heth is a great example

none of us is perfect but all of that

was Anonymous and I think once it

started going through the process and

somebody asked me this question a few

weeks ago I said yeah they're starting

with Pete Pete's going to get uh he's

going to get through the process they'll

move on to Tulsi then they'll move on to

Bobby Kennedy Jr right those will

probably be their their three biggest

ones that they'll attack yeah right I

mean my my perspective on this is that

to your point in the absence of somebody

being compromised it's not an IDE iCal

difference that should stop cabinet

picks on either side whoever is the

President should get to pick their team

put the team on the field that's the

Mandate he was given by the people and

then the people should get to vote it up

it's supposed to be an advisory capacity

right I mean the yeah Congressional it

is but the beauty of what Donald Trump

is doing you can't fix what's broken

with people that broke it he's going

outside of this godforsaken place and

bringing people in that have have

completely new ideas whether you like

them or not right come on folks let's

see what this does we've been doing the

same thing now for years which by the

way is what happened 250 years ago when

this okay wait Congressman last question

okay this is the last question Congress

last us give us the red an opinion you

said you listened to the Fire episode

that we did but just general from the

outside in as a Minnesotan looking at

California just diagnose what's going on

there it's it's more complicated than

the right and the left want to make it

seem but uh there definitely is a

problem it's not just limited to

California it's across this country with

not man in our resources the way we

should we had this problem in northern

Minnesota probably 20 years ago 25 years

ago we had a blow down in the bwca The

Boundary Waters canoe area you had all

those trees uh laying down they were

kindling right and I think our governor

at the time Jesse Ventura said he was

going to go in there and he was going to

log it right so we could protect the uh

citizens in their property and we could

actually make use of these uh trees that

have been destroyed in the storm uh the

federal government told him he couldn't

do it and of course we've had fires

right uh California this is tragic my

brother-in-law sent me a picture he

lives in Woodland Hills he sent me a

picture of flames at the end of his

culde-sac above the that's where my

parents live they probably live a couple

blocks from each other in Woodland Hills

two the fire sto two blocks from their

house yeah that's the picture he took

they might live did the winds just take

no so the uh the the the Ventura County

Line comes up to right there yeah and

the fire department did and I I calfire

and fire department are incredible they

stopped it from entering the

neighborhood that's amazing it was

amazing yeah very I don't know how his

house is still standing based on the

picture you sent Tom this has been

amazing you fit right in here appreciate

the honesty and candidness and we'd love

to have you back anytime I appreciate

the conflict I love that well I mean the

American people have this is why we love

job he got he got motivated we went to a

Spotify dinner last night and they were

talking about journalism he's like I'm a

journalist I'll show you guys I can

Journal I think it's a really important

conversation and you know the one thing

I'm a little concerned with is um just

some clarity because Trump has an

ability to say things in a in a in a

bold way in an effervescent way and then

you know sometimes these things actually

affect people and they want a little

more clarity so well and the whip has uh

has to find Clarity amongst 219 people

yeah good luck with that job appreciate

it thank you thank you you guys are fine

thanks okay everybody welcome back to

the all-in podcast we're here for the

inauguration of Donald Trump in his

second term and we're delighted to have

Eric swell with us today uh he is

obviously the house representative from

California and the Democratic party uh

you guys East Bay East Bay East Bay East

Bay yeah uh you guys got shellacked this

time around wasn't great wasn't good

yeah um what are the lessons that the

Democratic party can take from this I'll

will uh insert myself into this a little

bit I'm a moderate who's voted Democrat

two out of three times I was

absolutely really disappointed I I'll

just leave it at that that you didn't

have a speedrun primary that Biden was

put up when he was clearly in cognitive

decline and I'm absolutely disgusted by

the Democratic party's um hatred of

successful entrepreneurs in this country

you've kind of lost me as somebody who

voted two out of three times why has the

Democratic party left me somebody who

you know two out of three times would

vote Democrat and now you hate as a

party entrepreneurship winning and you

you you seem to hate democracy and you

won't even have a primary Jesus Christ

um don't hate democracy um no but this

is my perception I think a lot of

Democrats feel this way we just lose you

lost a lot of fol folks like a lot of I

mean this this is across the board

there's a lot of middle of the road

folks that just yeah we

we need

a story that connects with everyday

Americans I think when you look at a lot

of the policies that we like believe in

and you look at polling and focus groups

people will be like oh yeah I like that

I like that I like that but our story

right now I don't think we know who we

are and who we're fighting for now so it

is to me exciting that we can go through

this reset and renovation to find that

story that connects I'm a bluecollar kid

I was raised by a cop and a mom who had

six different jobs I was the first of my

family to go to college I like to think

you were raised by two Republicans yeah

I was they they they were they are were

and are two Republicans and I've got

three little brothers who are cops and I

grew up in Dublin California everyone

called it scrubin until we invested uh

there and we saw success what was your

ideological change growing up in a

republican household of cops essentially

yeah uh to becoming a you know you're a

bit of a democratic poster boy well

that's that's only because I've gone

after Donald Trump but if you look I ran

against the most liberal member of

Congress Pete Stark um I have been a

pretty independent vote in Congress and

I root for success of entrepreneurs and

business and want to connect that

success to the people who work hard at

those businesses so everyone does well

and I think if we're just perceived as

rooting against success overall and

vilifying by people who are successful

um then no one can be successful if if

that's the case did you like or not like

did you agree with Biden's framing as he

was leaving about this Tech

oligarchy it it it's only an oligarchy

if working class folks don't benefit

from it so if that's what it becomes

then that that's a problem what I want

to see and I think what you all are

rooting for is that anyone if you work

hard work your ass off you should do

better for yourself and dream bigger for

your kids and I think we have an

opportunity to do that the president the

president-elect has an opportunity to

make that happen and where he tries to

do that he'll find uh a partner in me

but do we have this uh branding issue

yes no I think that's what is The

Branding issue let un the The Branding

issue the wokeism is it the

judgmentalism is it the sanctimony is

pandering is it the you have to you have

to be perfect and pure is what the

perception is right now but nobody's

perfect no no no that's the

of people who like like we're all ridd

with errors and of course we're not

perfect and pure but I think the

perception is that to be a Democrat you

have to check all these Purity boxes and

then you can be a part of the party and

right now the Republican part is like I

think the exact opposite it's like do

you like Donald Trump great come to the

party and

so even like if you don't like Trump can

we get you on these three policies and

you can still come to Peter T's party I

have never been more courted by

political party than trumps and I have

never been more hated than I've been by

the Democratic party that's wrong it

shouldn't make people feel that way Jam

feels that way I think he was a major

donor you guys are talking about having

you guys are saying you should have a

Joe Rogan equivalent you had Joe Rogan

he was a Democrat if you watch all his

shows they were all he had Bernie

Sanders on he wanted to have Hillary on

you guys fumbled it you guys had Elon

Musk you fumbled it well see the party

fumbled it maybe you can comment you

represent and let's talk about

rebuilding and we have we have an

opportunity to rebuild now and so on for

example the department of government

efficiency like we should root for

government to be more efficient and we

should try and enable that but like if

that effort goes into an area where it's

going to cut Social Security or cut you

know Medicare then I think you'll see us

be Guardians against that but like most

small businesses think it's pretty hard

start a small business and then even

once you do you don't have the resources

that bigger businesses do and they see

regulations as what gets in the way so

we should try and knock those what's

happening in the party like what what

are you guys doing or is it just

headless as an organization yeah who

runs a Democratic party I would say in

in the house right now hakee Jeff uh has

been pretty effective at at uniting us

and and even in the last Congress uh you

saw something that you've never seen

before in any Congress in our country

any parliament in the world which is the

minority party delivered the majority

votes on every vote of consequence so

keeping the government open lifting the

de ceiling which's which the incoming

president now supports which we welcome

that and we would love to get rid of it

by the way um you know the funding of

even the funding you know to Israel that

that moveed forward because uh Democrats

were unified uh on that front so I think

hakee has shown himself as like a

practical negotiator someone who can

work with Johnson but I think the the

the other Fair commentary is he's young

and he's inexperienced what I mean by

leadership is yeah who who is the elder

Statesman that can help push and cajo

and influence the Democratic party to

find a more solid ground I think one I

think one of our best thought leaders is

Mark cubin I think he's Mark cubin right

Mark Cuban yeah he he's very influential

has a lot of relationships with my

colleagues uh myself he has business

experience but I think he's also not

lost touch of like what regular people

care about and I thought he was an

effective surrogate uh for kamla uh

being out there on the trail but I I go

to mark on a lot of stuff and and I

think he um understands where most

people are how did Kamala get selected

how did she get select so she was vice

president and the runway was about 100

days and I we can go through the

different scenarios I don't think any of

them good and as you said if if your

premise is that President Biden should

not have run for re-election making that

decision that close to the election you

know I don't know if any candidate you

know should there have been a speed

primary like

j

i we could go through a hundred

scenarios there were a bunch of great

candidates I I still think all of them

would have probably been set up to fail

did you it's too too short of a Runway

did you in your interactions with the

president did you say to yourself

gosh what's going on here I I didn't and

my colleagues and I I don't think we

interacted with him you know that often

and we kind of you know we started his

presidency in Co and so the Joe Biden

that I knew when I was in a baby you

know child in the Congress in 2013 was

very engaged and you know Lov meeting

with Congress and the meetings would go

an hour over the time allotted and it it

was kind of that Bill Clinton charm

offensive that he could put on and I

will just tell you like the first two

years with the covid restrictions that

we had we didn't see that because we you

know we would have remote meetings with

the White House and so um they hit him

they hit him I I don't yeah again I

don't know I I know I know where we are

now the reports are he was gay c yeah

yeah like I said I'm I'm man focus on

the future let's talk about the future

let's talk about Doge so you mention

wait wait hold on hold on before we talk

to Doge yeah yeah ER you were on the

house intelligence committee yes let's

talk about Tik Tok yes yeah okay done

and dusted what what do you think might

back tomorrow right might might not yeah

um you're you're in the room and these

things happen there are these off the

record I guess intelligence briefings

that happened and um this was a n0

unanimous Supreme Court decision it was

an overwhelming majority yeah in

Congress can you just help us understand

what needs to happen happen for

something like those two events to

happen yeah just be General you don't

have to say specifically obviously and

disclose anything that you know but

we're just trying to understand how does

something when it's such a ranker

congress which can't seem to agree on

anything or a supreme court which tends

to be five4 on every issue finds a n0

and a super majority in Congress I can

you just help us understand so the

Supreme Court was not saying whether we

should ban or not ban Tik Tok they were

saying the Congress voted president

signed corre and there's no way around

this ban so they I think they were just

following the law I voted against the

ban I think China is the place where you

ban things and the problems that I have

with Tik Tok as a father of like three

little kids are the problems that I have

with meta and the problems that I have

yeah it also so you don't view it you

don't view it as a security risk for the

United States and and and I Look to Jim

heims who is the senior Democrat on the

intelligence committee the ranking

member he's in What's called the gang of

eight he has the most exquisite access

to intelligence and Jim voted against

the ban and I thought you know what if

this guy is not seeing anything on the

National Security level there was an off

the Record or confidential briefing to

the house intelligence committee so you

think in that meeting there was nothing

that was very meaningful that was

disclosed about Tik Tok nothing that I

had seen is it owned by the Chinese

government absolutely but is there a

national security risk I have not seen

that hold on a second though I mean if

the Chinese government owns a 100

million plus American phones their

location data access to their

microphones access to their cameras how

is that not a security risk and where I

mean that seems incredibly naive to say

that I want I want to build on what J is

saying um we know that there are

security vulnerabilities for example in

WhatsApp it's riddled with stuff so you

know you could send a PDF before then

you could send an image now you can just

send a message and you can root your

phone the difference is WhatsApp is

owned by an American citizen right I

really and so what which is to say all

these apps are compromised it's just

that the Tik Tok is owned by a Chinese

owner who is out of the reach of the

United States government yeah and is

that fair or unfair to you it is out of

the reach of the United States

government but what I will say is most

of what we buy as far as you know what's

in our basket at Walmart is has a

Chinese component what's in our Basket

doesn't have a microphone or your GPS

let me say a lot of it does have you

seen a lot of stuff you buy um drones

Chinese made drones there'ss there's a

whole website now that that breaks down

modern consumer electronics from China

that actually have these hacking devices

built into them I don't know if you've

seen this but like you you'll buy like a

USB charger that's like eight bucks on k

or something and it's inside it's got

like an IP address and it actually finds

Wi-Fi it connects and it transmits

information this is incredibly dangerous

like there's so many and I bought this

like cheap drone for like Christmas

someone uh for like anyway one of my

little neews brought it and I'm like

dude this thing is like 149 bucks and I

looked it up online it's like got camera

connects to your Wi-Fi and then it asked

for access to your phone and I'm like

I'm not doing that like I tweeted this a

few months ago I don't think Tik tok's

the issue the USBC charging cables

exactly yeah be yeah rooted the charging

cables yes this

is this is more reason to B speculative

no I don't but I don't think Tik Tok I

guess my point is like we Tik Tok you

want to ban everything that's made in

China that's great you'll destroy the

economy yeah but one thing has 100

million people in an algorithm that

could influence people's perception that

you know the that Hamas is being

harassed by the Israelis like they they

literally can change how Americans

especially young ones perceive the world

even if they're not doing it currently

do you not see how obvious it is that

they can use it it's a censorship point

of view which is government has a ro

contr let's get his yeah I guess I'm the

only one of the four of us that doesn't

want to ban speech um yeah I'm no I'm

with you with you I want I want to B I

want either reciprocity where we can put

our apps in China or I want it gone now

you're now you're making a different

case now you're saying it's like

reciprocity as opposed to controlling

first you were saying it's security then

you're saying it's like controlling our

point of view now you're saying

reciprocity you're like those aren't the

same thing here security security risk

likely lies everywhere on security on

controlling the point of view of stuff I

think you guys have to separate look Tik

Tok there are three things in Tik Tok

okay there's the content and the content

creators that's one thing then there is

a network effect and then there is the

vessel which is the app okay which is

the code my very specific point of view

is the content creators and the network

effect can easily be replicated in other

places The Vessel itself is corrupt and

I think if you can't technically see

that it's probably because you just

you're not steeped enough in the techn

the intelligence committee doesn't

technically see that so clearly they're

not agre they've been caught they've

seen tracking got a guy the intelligence

committee here tell well but I I also

looked at the small business owners who

use that as a platform I understand how

you just the buckets that you just cre

people depend on it and more people in

the what I was telling the White House

was more people watch President Biden's

State of the Union Address on Tik Tok

than anywhere else and the and President

Biden had just gone on Tik Tok right

before this is the content and the

network my point is across meta or

across X my preference would be X you

can replicate the network effect and you

can create a mechanism for those content

creators who are already on those

platforms anyway to shift my point is

the vessel itself is easily rooted I I I

told this to president Trump when we

were sitting down I was like that

phone the microphone on that iPhone can

get turned on remotely you can choose

what state actor wants to do it but I

will bet you to Donuts it is

inconceivable to me that the NSA did not

find that capability and the reason is

not because Tik Tok is bad or good the

reason is all of these apps are rooted

the only difference is that most of

these apps are controlled by American

citizens gives us control mechanism and

this app is not

yeah I I mean I think Donald Trump is

going to allow Tik Tok well he got 50

million donation from Jeff Yas that and

I think he also recogniz I think super

pack 50 million yes and I think the

reason he cares is because he knows a

lot of his followers are on there and

for whatever reason they didn't CH they

have not chosen you what else is very

popular exported from China fentol yeah

we should probably ban that too like I

mean the fact that it's popular should

not be why we are doing that's why I

think you're framing WR popular Jason

what I'm saying is you can't put the

toothpaste back in the tube and and so

you're take you're going to take away a

platform that is on by Americans the

weak chosen to go to those other ones

and I just don't think we ban things in

America I I think yeah but this is the

Chinese Communist Party Jason if you if

you actually they spy on their own

citizens if you're just think about this

for a second if your business depended

on you using Tik Tok how would you feel

about the Tik Tok and you're you're not

wealthy you're not most important thing

you guys have to assume that if if it is

true that the CCP uses the Chinese

version of Tik Tok as a mechanism to

surveil their own people the idea that

for an extra few units of resources

they wouldn't spy on the most important

powerful nation in the world to me seems

pretty illogical and dumb they are going

to they would do it and separately it's

not to say that President Trump is using

uh Tik Tok per se or you know important

people but it is true that when you have

enough people use an app and those

people come into contact with other

people like look what happens today how

do you exchange contact information with

an iPhone you touch one another

there's NFC capability C from Ian just

think naive assum that like technology

is very deterministic there are so many

good things that happen but there are

people that are paid to find every

single edge and to push it because the

stakes are high and I just think that

this is an assumption that we have to

live with I'm just very cautious when it

comes to bands that's that's fair that's

an ideological thing and I age with you

CU Cham where this goes is you're like

well I don't want to import Korean cars

because they've got electronics that are

connected to the internet in every

Korean car now the Koreans can spy on

where we are I mean you can very quickly

see how this can open up a Floodgate Of

Banning because foreign adversaries

could take advantage of us including

including B including Banning chip

Imports including Banning router Imports

you could very quickly make this a whole

happen with routers literally the number

my is literally already with equipment

we're going to go down a very nasty

place like we're going down an

intelligent route which is to not give

access to all of the personal

information of the Sons and Daughters of

Representatives of military experts to

the Chinese Communist party there there

is a reason why Huawei is banned in

America yes yeah security

vulnerabilities were found they don't

have our best all of a sudden you think

that it stopped there China to like gave

up and said okay I'm saying there's a

different let's go watch the dance

videos now it's great let the Americans

Dance by way it do a little C isn't the

US Revenue Tik Tok for bite dance like

5% if it wasn't important the Chinese

government they would have divested I

think it's a 30 or they give up their

golden Shar us is 30 or 40 let's move on

to the Border um yeah wait wait Doge

we're gonna do Doge okay let's do Doge

because you tell us your point of view

on Elon VI coming in what they're going

to do what's good about it what you

really don't think is good about it you

have concerns yeah well so I do think

it's funny that a committee about

efficiency has two people running it

that's

but I think it it just cut itself in

half with if vex's running you know for

governor so that is their first success

um I guess you know to cut you know the

size of the committee but they got a lot

of people that they've recruited I got

it yeah as they said knock yourself out

if you want to make it easier for small

businesses you know to start a business

if you want to save you know money inal

employ federal employees not showing up

to the office yeah look I my staff shows

up um and and we benefit from people

being in the office we show a lot of

flexib ability uh for people who have

family issues kind of on a case-by Case

basis um and people with disabilities

have more access to work but I I

generally I see the benefits of having

everybody at the office and we were one

of the first offices to come back uh on

the hill um you know during Co because I

saw the benefit of that and if they can

draw a a straight line between you know

benefiting our constituents and people

being in the office I'm I'm open-minded

to that Eric tell us about um how you

think this reconciliation Bill the

budget yeah um it's going to be a very

knockout drag out kind of a process um

we're going to hit the debt ceiling yeah

tomorrow yeah um and so you guys are

going to be back to work right away what

do you

expect what I'm going to be asking my

constituents you know is tax cuts are

proposed and regulations you know

potentially are cut is you know what did

you get out of this and what have you

lost because if it's just as I said if

it's just kind of a a bro Archy that

benefits and and you don't benefit then

I won't support it but if you can draw

the line and say you know this business

getting this benefit or this corporate

tax rate going down means that you know

you're going to do better and dream

bigger I can be for that and and so

that's what I'm going to be looking at

do you think generally that governments

should generally just have less tax

receipts and be forced to spend less to

be more ingenious and less over reliant

on overpowering things with money yes

and frankly a lot of that starts with

the Department of Defense I mean look at

where the cost drivers are government

yeah I I think that but that means you

need to have alliances in the world

right you're going to have if you're

going to reduce what you spend on

defense you better strengthen your

Partnerships some people on the

Republican side so I think it's a

wonderful Point some people on the

Republican side say this is why energy

is so important for us because when we

have resource Independence it actually

allows us to forge and cast many of our

relationships abro that then create a

very different security envelope I so I

share the the rare earth ex minerals

caucus and for this reason and it

probably surprises people that a Bay

Area Democrat wants to get the US uh you

know back into Mining and that's because

we're getting our ass kicked by China on

this uh on the um you know not just the

mining but the processing and the

magnetizing but we do have allies who

have these resources so we can do it in

the United States there's Mountain Pass

where they're doing it with almost 100%

uh recycled water so you don't have the

acid Pond issue but you also have

countries that you could have I I I

helped fun Jim to get that thing off the

ground I've been out there and going

it's an incredible thing but even he he

will tell you doing these kinds of

projects in America today is almost next

to Impossible and the reason he was able

to do it I mean he has support from

folks like you which are for thinking

but the reason was because it had

already largely been built right and he

said if he had tried to get it permitted

that's right uh and it's just a question

you know less money for the government

less regulation it it almost seems like

sometimes if the Republicans say yay the

Democrats say nay and if the Democrats

said yay the Republicans would say nay

but if you ask everybody privately

everybody agrees the government should

have less and to your point business

people should just have more of a wide

birth to actually go and work and then

be held to account as I said if the

wealth is only concentrated at the

top make sure we can point to people at

every part of the economic spect yes

that's like but that's a very reasonable

thing to say what you're saying well I I

I hope that's how we govern in this next

but it doesn't come out that way well I

think this is a key point that what you

lead with and what you talk about and

what you make a priority that will be

people's perception of your focus right

and the perception that I have as

somebody who again has voted Democrat

two out of three elections is that

you're focused on and talking about

things like Dei things like having trans

kids get surgery and no parent agrees

with this nobody agrees with this

they're banning it around the world and

you guys lead with that that shows a

lack of prioritization that is palatable

to the voting populace what they want is

effective leadership and when you look

at what happened in Southern California

it is the height of arrogance that

they're working on things like Dei and

saying this is important when the

reservoir is not filled when they're not

clearing brush and you have to make

tradeoffs in the world and you guys

don't seem to be able to communicate

that it's incredibly frustrating for me

you can hear it in my voice that you can

say you know what we care about nature

we care about the trees but you can't

have trees on the floor around homes in

a fire oh you said floor you didn't say

ground so no I'm going to not listen to

you or we can't get minerals that we're

going to be dependent on China for

minerals right it we need those minerals

we cannot be dependent on foreign

adversaries to make important weapon

systems to make important things like

electric vehicles and you guys are

concerned about the cranes and trans

kids being able to get surgery that

nobody wants that's the problem with the

party we need a better story and I don't

think stop focusing on those weird

things don't leave that story with the

concerns people have with Dei although I

would argue now the new Dei is Don Eric

and Ivanka and people probably won't

like that approach to it uh either is

that you floating the tri you're trying

to

I'm not sure but okay we need a better

story and I look forward to being that

the first time

work we Workshop it yeah yeah you're GNA

have to Workshop that way yeah I mean

listen there's a long tradition in these

parties of the kids being grifters

Hunter everybody's getting in on it um

but let's let's close on the borders no

no hold on before we do that I just want

to ask you about um should the United

States spend $200 billion doll to

acquire Greenland from Denmark I don't

give a if he tries to acquire Greenland

I just want the cost of eggs to go down

that's what my constituents are

promising knock yourself out go get

green Minal right security aspect of

course there's there there's benefits

there but I I just I want to know you

said you're going to lower the cost of

eggs eggs are pretty expensive what like

how are you going to do that and if you

can tell me that you know spending $200

billion to get Greenland is going to

help lower our cost great but I think

people want to see costs come down I

have a question about today I just want

to actually go back in time uh today are

there any of President Trump's nominees

that uh really give you Aida and if so

who and why and who's inspiring you mean

give some credit if there's something

like inspiring yeah who do you like give

give us one that inspires you and give

us one I I think Rubio's GNA do a great

job Secretary State I think he's he has

the the gravitas and the experience uh

to do it and I want I want to see that

happen Kos Patel is the one that I I

think could destroy the president's uh

agenda because can you say more well

what I see and I may be a little bit

biased because the guy wrote a book he

listed 100 enemies I'm not in that 100

I'm actually in the Preamble he starts

it with of course Adam Schiff and Eric

swell are the most dangerous people well

you were part of the house Russia Russi

investigation but I I do believe if if

the president focuses on going after his

enemies he's going to lose the ability

to bring order to the Border yep to get

the most violent uh you know the most

violent undocumented immigrants out of

the country yeah and make people feel

safe in communities where they don't

feel safe what do you think about

Jason's comment um do you think that we

should

systematically uh work through a process

to deport 15 million illegal I I think

you should focus on violent

offenders sexual so let's say you get

that done in six months what do you do

after that uh well you also need order

at the border right I mean and I I

support surging resources to bring that

but 40% of my constituents were born

outside the United States we are the

eighth wealthiest District in the

country no thanks to me I'm not

contributing to that wealth there is a

straight line between those immigrants

and that wealth and so if we can find a

way to address you know shortages in the

workforce in agriculture Hospitality

food and beverage of course we see it in

biotech and Tech I think we can have the

best in the world I just leave it leave

you with this a foreign minister uh in

Asia said to me in the past year he said

Eric he said you know the population of

the United States is 3 billion people

and I looked at him and I said no you

mean it's like 300 plus million I

thought he misspoke he said no he said

there are three billion people in the

world who would give up everything to

come to the United States and he said if

you get it right he said you can pick

the best that's right absolutely

recruitment as opposed to immigration is

a better framework yes go go back please

you mentioned this uh the house Russia

investigation created a lot of yeah um

talking points on both sides that I

think are still lingering and in the

spirit of sort of putting it to bed

um any regrets about that whole process

uh was there anything substantive that

came out of It ultimately or was it the

beginning of this more politically

directed kind of Action Reaction which

is now why people are afraid about what

happen s you know Russia had a preferred

candidate and they did a lot to try and

get that guy to win I think he could

have and I think he may regret that in a

lot of his trolling he made himself look

guiltier when he probably could have

shown us that the concerns we had

weren't there but I I don't I'm not

going to dwell on that I'm not going to

you know focus on the fact that he was

impeached twice and sent a mob that you

know could have killed many of the

people in the capital with me on January

6 I'm GNA focus on if he wants to bring

order to the Border make our community

safer and raise wages and lower costs

I'm going to work with what I meant what

I meant more I think that's a ad yeah

work backwards from yeah an outcome or

do you think you and Adam actually just

followed the facts and I was a alam

County prosecutor uh in the same office

Earl Warren you know worked in and we

were trained that it's not about wins

and losses it's just about doing Justice

and I approached it just trying to

follow the fact and when you were

watching some of the other things that

happened post all of this yeah like

what's happening in New York and whatnot

what were your thoughts for as a

prosecutor on the legal veracity of some

of the things that were going on to to

Trump leading into this

election a lot of people around him went

to jail and it felt like well if Michael

Cohen went to jail like why the is

this guy not being held to account like

Michael Cohen went to jail for being a

part of that hush money settlement so

again just being a bluecollar kid who

resents people who think that their

position entitles them to be better than

regular folks I just wanted everyone to

be treated the same and and so that's

the way I was raised my dad lost his job

as a cop when he wouldn't essentially be

get bribed when he wouldn't allow a

bribe from a mayor um to influence him

and and he well that's amazing T that

that was my ear experience in a small

town in Iowa and he was the police chief

the mayor very publicly tried to like

corrupt him and he wouldn't do so my

earliest memory is that he was willing

to lose his job to do the right thing no

but you're saying something very

important which is everybody should be

treated the same so correct if if one of

your kids were charged with a

misdemeanor would you hope that it was

just prosecuted as a misdemeanor or do

you think that folks that may not like

Eric swall well figure out a way to now

make it a felony the former yeah okay

yeah I mean as I said I'm I'm going into

this open mind what we can do no I'm I'm

just saying into this New Year open

minded not focused on the past on what

we can do to make the country succeed

yeah and On the Border issue I think

that's the one where you all could maybe

get some consensus and some clarity

because it really does seem to be

creating an underlying tension in the

country as to what's going to happen and

you can't do anything on the workforce

issues until the public believes youve

secured the Border that's just a whether

that's rational or not how much of that

was why you think kamla lost was just

her not taking ownership of the Border I

just think she was attached to an

incumbent party incumbent parties

worldwide are just getting pounded and

there wasn't much that was going to

change where this thing was going what's

what's happening in

California well give us give us the

grade on G which Republican will be the

next governor of

California uh well they they don't have

their together either by the way

the Republican party in California um

look I'm I I was in the palates on

Monday um I have 10 friends who lost

everything I was with a woman who stood

on top of a pile of Ashes that was her

house looking for any momento for her

family and it it's it's awful and I I

will also be open-minded as to what we

could have done to prevent it to prevent

it why resources that should have been

there weren't there and as a member of

the homeland security committee uh make

sure that you know we're better prepared

next time and if there is accountability

that should have that should come uh to

be a part of that but like there's fires

are still burning right now and so I

don't want to be that Meme where it's

like you know the guy that like last

week I was a hostage expert this week

I'm a wildfire expert us that's that's

our function my my job is is to look at

you know what we could have done who

should be held accountable but with a

fire still burning and familes you know

living uh with friends and relatives

right now um I I don't want to hop I

don't want to give this a hot take yet

yeah fair enough fair enough thank you

all right everybody uh Eric we really

appreciate your candidness and good luck

reing the

party okay thanks awesome great job

brother all right welcome back to the

all-in podcast at the inauguration of

Donald Trump our 47th president and

we're really delighted to have friend of

the Pod Rana back on the program he is

the US Representative for California's

17th District AKA our hometown Silicon

Valley how are you Ro honored to be back

on you made it big time huh You're Now

like in these

inauguration Jason's a republican now

did you know that no I remain a moderate

Jason I'm holding on to you as the

Democrat and Silicon Valley I'm a I'm

I've always been a moderate I like to

vote for what I believe is the most

qualified person and this time around I

was a they call in your business a

double hater and let's let's get right

into that with the Democratic party uh

you guys got shellacked um the candidate

who you put up didn't go through a

primary the previous candidate seemed to

be incognitive decline we can all agree

and it feels like a bit of a mess in the

party what is going to happen to the

Democratic party going forward is there

a voice saying this is the plan or is it

a little Game of Thrones right now we're

all wondering where are the Democrats it

feels like you went dark and is that a

strategy to just sort of let Trump have

his moment and then come back and be

adversarial or you know State a new

platform what's going on inside the

democra party and think crises are times

for reform and renewal and the reality

is that this was a huge blow to the

establishment of the party uh people

wanted a more competitive process they

want new voices they want a new

generation of leadership uh and now

that's going to emerge and so you're

seeing it happening in California with

Dan lurry uh winning in San Francisco

for mayir Matt Mayan winning in uh San

Jose you're seeing new people in

Congress emerging new Governors emerging

and so I think that there's going to be

a lot of reflection one of the things

I've said is the Democrats need to spend

as much time understanding why many

Americans voted for Donald Trump as we

do criticizing Donald Trump and uh I

think you're starting to see that happen

what do you think the new platform will

be if you had to think of you know

things to remove from the platform and

things to prioritize in the platform if

you were in charge or Jean Phillips

friend of the pot as well um there's

some people who who feel you know

there's more important issues than the

ones that maybe you've been focused on

that you the Democratic party has been

focused on for this last election cycle

so maybe give us two or three ideas of

what you would add to the agenda and two

or three things that you might say hey

this isn't a priority for Americans

anymore I think the whole thing has to

be about prioritizing the economy the

economic independence of Americans how

are we going to have economic renewal

economic growth uh in a stagnant working

in middle class and then let's argue our

different Visions Donald Trump says that

the way he's going to turn around

Johnstown and Youngstown and down river

Michigan is just with uh a large tax

cuts and deregulation our view has got

to be that it has to involve technology

leaders Business Leaders but also

strategic government Investments to be

able to build new industry there to be

able to credential new folks there to be

able to build a Workforce but we have to

offer a compelling economic vision and

then an economic Vision so people aren't

dependent on uh the denials of Private

health insurance and so that they have

child care but I think whoever wins the

argument that there's going to lead

America in the 21st century on the

economy uh and on economic independence

is going to win Ro do you you you're

saying government investment in building

new businesses building new Industries

is necessary to achieve that vision and

that's a better alternative what is the

historical

kind of examples where um policies where

government was going to go start new

Investments start fundamentally

supporting new businesses being built

that's worked successfully and work

better than free markets like the the

the the Republican argument is the free

market is more efficient the free market

works better let capital and capitalists

find where the capital is best applied

it'll be more efficiently utilized

versus government making the decision

about where Capital should go it's

typically lower Roi very often negative

Roi and doesn't actually create aable

economic growth I think ask me

government investment that's Market

sustainable but you look at Hamilton you

look at Lincoln and you look at FDR that

is in my view what Built America

infrastructure uh well it's

infrastructure but it's also

manufacturing I mean I have a build to

build new steel plants in Johnstown in

Ohio now you need the private sector you

need Cleveland Cliffs you need a a

private Steel company but if we're going

to finance that the scaling of that uh

the federal government has to have some

role uh and what we ended up having in

free market uh economics is China last

week one trillion dollar Trade Surplus

now we are at almost a trillion dollar

trade deficit yep you know the economics

well so that's financed with a capital

account Surplus that means all that

money is coming into to Wall Street wall

Street's doing really well the finance

sector is doing really well but it's

hollowed out our manufacturing base it's

hollowed out our industrial base that is