Stop Vibe Coding. Start Getting Customers.
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Today we're going to talk about how you
can build anything with AI, but people
are going to need to figure out
distribution. How do you actually get
[music] customers to the thing that
you're vibe coding? I believe that the
wealthiest people will be marketers over
the next 10 years.
But every YouTube tutorial is telling
you how to vibe code. So today, by the
end of this episode, you're going to
have seven really straightforward things
that you can do this week, frameworks,
ideas, [music]
alpha that's working right now, uh so
that you can actually build a software
company, a SaaS, [music] an agent
company that actually gets customers. So
I'm going to explain how to do it. By
the end of this, you're going to get
your creative juices flowing. I needed
to make this episode. I really needed to
make this episode. I'm actually
recording at night, and you know, I
tweeted [music] this that, you know,
people need to figure out distribution,
you know, and it hurts me that people
you know, don't have the ideas around
it. So, like and comment if you want me
to do more episodes on this. Let's get
right into it.
The startup ideas podcast.
>> [music]
>> It's tipping time, baby.
So I believe that there's this great
flip happening. You know, I moved to
Silicon Valley
um in 2014.
And uh when I moved, it was all about
engineers as number one. I actually
studied computer science in university
because I was like, "Engineers are
number one on the hierarchy, right?" And
then it became product uh
and then marketing is at the bottom.
Like literally, the laughing stock of
Silicon Valley were marketing people.
Now today, I believe that, you know,
because of AI distribution, people who
understand distribution, how to get
customers is, you know, you're at the
top of the list. Then it's product
people, and then it's developers.
Um this is uh
you know, a big deal because I actually
think that not a lot of people
understand distribution. They don't
understand brand. They don't understand
advertising, they don't understand
content. Um
but I think that, you know, if you can
you know
if you do understand it, you are at an
unfair advantage. Um you know, there's
200,000
new vibe coding projects being created
every single day on Lovable. Um how many
people are actually seeing those
products? Probably not a lot. Um Peter
Levels has $3 plus revenue. He has zero
employees.
The reason why he's been able to uh you
know, get so much revenue as a
one-person business is he's got 750,000
plus followers, I think. And also he's
got great SEO. I mean, if you look at
some of the stuff that he works on you
know, Nomad List, for example.
A lot of the tools uh like these could
be you know
copied quite quickly. Um
you know, it's it's essentially a
directory. I've done episodes and
tutorials on how to vibe code
directories before.
You know, but he's he's obviously got
good data and data's part of that, but
it's also largely he's got an audience,
he's got trust and he's built good SEO.
We'll talk more about that in this
episode. So, the big trap
that I think a lot of founders and
builders do is they vibe code something
you know, once they've built the
product, they've got this great idea um
then they're just going to try marketing
things, but it's just silence. So, then
they're going to build more features and
they're going to launch again and more
silence. So, they basically are just
thinking about how do I build a really
good product? Um and if you build it,
they will come, but they don't come.
What smart builders do is they start
with the distribution. So, they'll grow
an audience uh to maybe a thousand
people. They ask that audience what they
need uh and then they go and build it in
a weekend, 24 hours, 72 hours, a few
days. Um and then that audience is
shocked that wow, you built the thing
that I wanted. And then you launch it to
a warm audience, you iterate with real
users, and you start making money. So,
it's distribution first, product second,
always. You know, the example of Peter
Levels, I think I, you know, I think
he's tweeted 125,000
times in the last like 8 years. You
know, he's he's put in the consistency
and the work to actually go and build
that audience, and he's been iterating
with users and customers, you know, with
them.
So, let's get into the actual tactics.
Uh, strategy one is going to be about
using an MCP server as your sales team.
So, you know, if you're lis- if you're
listening to Startup Ideas podcast, you
probably know an MCP is,
um, but you can think of it as basically
like an, uh, an app. Um, you know, the
example I'll I'll use here is, you know,
plugins in Open AI use the the MCP
protocol, so you can just be like at
Google Drive, find the right drive, then
summarize a doc, and update a sheet, or
edit a slide stack. So, there's this
massive opportunity to build MCP servers
as your sales team. How does it work?
Well, a user asks an the AI, it could
be, you know, Claude, it could be
ChatGPT,
as a question. The AI discovers your MCP
server, and AI returns, uh,
you know, your product, and the user
gets value from it. So, there's zero
CAC, the AI assistant basically becomes
your sales teams. And I have friends who
are, you know, I'm actually incubating
uh, some things, you know, around here.
And actually, if you look at
ideabrowser.com,
you know, we we've been doing some MCP
stuff.
But I also have a lot of friends who
just, you know,
in in for example, in the fintech space,
you know, 150 plus installations in 30
days, $0 ad spend for something that he
vibe coded, uh, quite quickly. So, I
believe that building an MCP server in
2026 is in a lot of ways building like
kind of building for mobile in 2010.
There's just a lot of opportunities to
show up in LLMs in these connections,
plugins, or MCP servers. So, how can you
start uh this week? And then by the way,
I realize that this, you know, an MPC
and an MCP server, it's not for
everyone, right? If you're building a
boring business, maybe that's not for
you or, you know, even some software
business is not might not be for you.
But for some people, for SaaS, you know,
if you want to get started this week, um
what can you do? Identify what question
your product answers. That's the first
thing you're going to want to do.
Number two, you're going to want to
build an MCP server that returns that
data. You can vibe that code that
realistically in 24 hours or less.
You're going to want to publish that to
MCP registries, uh Smithery, MCPT, Open
Tools. And then every AI assistant that
connects to your server is now selling
for you 24/7. So, that's a bet that
you're going to make,
um and that's strategy number one. Let's
get to strategy number two.
Strategy number two is programmatic SEO.
So, it's how can you create 10,000
pages, SEO pages, in 48 hours? So,
you're going to want to look at, you
know, a keyword a keyword pattern
pattern. Best X for Y. So, best
uh CRMs for dentists, for example. Then
you're going to want to do uh look at uh
data sets. So, you're going to want to I
actually did a whole episode on
Firecrawl recently, a tutorial on how to
use it. Um so, you're going to want to
but basically, what does that do? If you
haven't seen that, it basically goes and
scrapes and gets you clean structured
data
uh so that you can actually, you know,
provide value in your in your pages. Uh
then you're going to want to do use a
page template, Next.js. You can use
Cloud Code or something to actually go
and build this.
Uh then you're going to want to actually
create AI content.
And then you're going to go and create
10,000 pages. Now, I know there's a big
gap. I can see the comment right in the
comment section right now. So, okay, oh,
you're just going to press one button
and then just automatically create
10,000 pages.
Uh well, no, of course not because you
you know, you you do need to make sure
that the content is good and doesn't
feel like AI. So, there's going to be a
lot of optimizations that you're going
to have to do to actually get it so it
doesn't feel like AI. But, once you get
it to there, I mean, you can start with
just a few pages. And once you get it to
there, then you can start scaling to to
more pages. Um you know, the math is is
pretty simple. If you end up creating,
you know, 10,000 pages and each page
gets 30 visits a month, which, you know,
it's not a lot of visits, right? Um that
could go up to, you know, 300,000
monthly visitors. If you convert at 2%,
that's 6,000 conversions a month. Maybe
that's $10 each and then all of a sudden
you're making $60,000 a month from pages
you built once. Now, those 30 visits a
month, that's not going to happen
overnight. Um SEO does take some time to
compound. Uh but, like think about it
directionally, right? Directionally, the
idea is build a lot of pages, get really
good at creating AI content, get
structured data that's that's
high-quality, um
and uh
and and and rinse repeat. So, how can I
actually start this this week? If this
is something that's interesting to you,
how can I go and start this this week?
Well, you're going to want to pick a
keyword pattern. So, like the product
type for niche or service in city. Um
like, for example, the CRM for dentists
or uh
you know, uh roofing in
Miami. You're going to want to build
your data set. So, you're going to
scrape with Firecrawl or you can use
existing databases. You can create a
template in your framework, like, you
know, Next Next.js, Webflow, WordPress.
Doesn't, you know, just stick with the
thing that you're going to use. And then
you're going to want to use AI to
generate unique content per page. So,
not just variable swaps, actual
paragraphs, high-quality stuff. Um and
you know, you may also might want to
have a human in the loop to actually
edit and look at some of this content.
Publish 100 pages as an MVP, monitor
indexation, and then that's when you can
go ahead and scale. So, that's number
two. I think that's applicable to really
anyone. Doesn't make a difference if
you're building a service, a SaaS, an
app, you've got a boring business,
you've got an agency, programmatic SEO
is still under tap.
Strategy number three, uh three on
seven, is doing a free tool as a top of
the funnel, uh
as for your top of the funnel. So, the
tool is your marketing.
Um you know, the example I would use is
uh Ahref for for a while has had this
backlink check uh checker. So, you know,
you you put in your domain, for example,
gregaisenberg.com,
and it's going to see what are the
different backlinks, like who's uh
connected to me, uh what links are
connected to me,
um
and you know, it's high quality and
stuff like that. And you know, but the
reality is it gives you a taste of their
full product. So, if I want more, I have
to go and spend hundreds of dollars or
thousands of dollars a month with
Ahrefs. So, they kind of hook you in
through that. So, you know, step one is
building a free tool. It could be a
grader, it could be an analyzer, it
could be a calculator. Uh step two is
the user gets instant value. So, you
know, your site scores 43 on 100. Um
generally what you want to do is
obviously grab their data in some
capacity, you know, text message, email,
in order to get access that. Uh
step three is the user shares their
score. So, that's going to help this
thing go viral. Uh social proof, back
backlinks,
um and then step four is more users are
going to discover it. So, you've got
this organic viral loop and step five is
upsell to a paid product. So, you want
to fix these issues? Well, we've got the
product for you. Now, this
uh strategy has been around for for a
while, right? Um
you know, but why is it different? Well,
now it's different because you can use
Claude code uh to go and actually build
these free tools, right? It's now like
not crazy to build a free tool a week,
whereas in the past these things would
have taken you months. So, you can vibe
code a free tool in a day, ship it by
lunch, and then markets itself forever.
So,
uh I really like this one. This is
something that I'm doing in all my
businesses as much as possible. Um
and if you want to get started this
week, I would just say uh you know, I
would ask
uh you know, your LLM of choice to be
like, "Here's what I'm working on."
And give me 10 ideas for free tools that
can act as my top of the funnel. And
that's, you know, you're going to have
your 10 tools. You can prioritize the
best possible the ones that you think
are the best. Can even ask your
audience, "Hey, what would be more
interesting, this or that?"
Um get them involved and then go and
build it. And then just, you know, we we
think of uh when you do social media,
you you think of like an editorial
calendar or content calendar, but no one
really thinks about like a free tool
calendar. And I really do believe the
tool is the marketing. This is working.
Don't know why more people aren't doing
it. Um
but strategy number three,
one of my faves.
Strategy number four, answer engine
optimization. So, you want to be the
source that AI sites. So, the old way
of, you know, getting seen obviously was
SEO. You just wanted to get, you know,
on on Google page one. You do 3,000 word
blog post. You're doing backlink
building, keyword stuffing. Oh my god.
Um click through your site. You know,
I'm just having flashbacks of all of
doing all this stuff. Uh
It's there's still opportunity in SEO. I
mean, we talked about it today, but it's
declining
and zero-click searches are growing,
right?
So,
if AEO is in 2026 is where SEO was in
2010, first movers will own these niches
for years. So,
the idea is answer engine optimization.
How do we get cited by ChatGPT and
Perplexity? You know, structured direct
answers. You can do an FAQ format,
schema markup, comparison tables that AI
can parse. So, you know, that way
yeah, you're getting seen a little more.
And then AI AI is going to send users to
your product. So,
yeah, I think it was Peter Levels
actually.
I believe that he said like his AI
referrals jumped from 4% to 20% in 1
month. I think that it's only going to
increase for, you know, across the board
on e-commerce, SaaS, apps, you you name
it. So,
it's worth kind of
exploring. It's worth exploring.
So, okay, great. You know, you probably
already knew this. Obviously, you know,
you want to be seen in Perplexity or
ChatGPT, but how do you how can you
start this this week? Well, Google the
top Step one is to Google the top 20
questions your customer asks.
And you're going to step two, write the
definitive structured answers for each.
So, I'm not talking about a 3,000-word
fluff. I'm talking about clear direct
citation worthy. It's all about getting
citation worthy content. Then you're
going to add step three, add schema
markup and FAQ blocks. Step four, you're
going to want to publish on a domain
with authority or build authority
through the other strategies. Obviously,
it's bet you know, why a Peter Levels
you know,
could could get his SEO and AEO up
quickly more quicker than the average
person listening to this is because a
lot of his domains have built authority
over time. So,
uh you know
there's no better time start building
that authority today. And then lastly,
monitor your Perplexity and ChatGPT
citations. You can use tools like
Otterly, there's profound, there's
manual testing. Um but the important
thing here is that you're just getting
started. So, get started this week um on
AEO.
Strategy number five is how can you make
your outputs of your product shareable?
So, we all know, you know, the end of
year December Spotify wrapped. Um they
get 100 million shares every December of
that thing. It's absolutely crazy. Um
everyone wants to share it, your mother
wants to share it, your sister wants to
share it, your kids want to share it,
everyone is sharing it, laughing about
it. It says it says about something
about your identity, who you are. So,
what is that for you, right? So, what is
the free distribution output shareable
thing that you can be creating? You
know, the way I the way I
the way I have it in my head at least
is, you know, ask what does my user want
to brag about? And then make that thing
beautiful and shareable.
Uh for GitHub, they've got the
contribution graph. Um and then you see
like devs bragging about sharing those
green squares on Twitter. Uh Stripe
Atlas, which allows you to create
companies, you know, the artifact there
is the incorporation milestone. Founders
tweet uh I just I just incorporated or
it's been 5 years since uh I
incorporated.
Uh here's my, you know, my anniversary
post lessons learned.
Duolingo, perhaps, you know, one of the
most famous uh examples, daily streak
count.
And then uh you know, users are bragging
about 365 day streaks. I don't know if
Snapchat was before them. I think they
were.
Um
but like I think yeah, I think that was
an original Snapchat thing, too, right?
Um I like to look at like how social
products Like what are social products
doing?
Um because you can actually take a lot
of that thinking, that psychology, and
bring that into whatever it is you're
doing. So, your product, what is the
artifact that you're going to create?
What is the viral artifact that you're
going to create? Um
what do your users want to brag about?
So, if you want to get started this
week,
what are we going to What do we need?
Step one, we're going to have to
identify the output or milestone your
user would screenshot and share. Step
two, let's make it beautiful, let's make
it shareable, let's make it branded.
Your logo actually should be subtle, but
present. I've seen some examples of
artifacts that the logo's super big, and
it just no one wants to share someone
else's logo. It should be It should feel
uh it's about you. Step three is you're
going to want to add a share button that
pre-fills the post with the artifact.
Step four, every share is free
impressions to your exact target
audience, so that's a huge win. Um the
user is doing your marketing cuz they're
bragging about themselves.
Uh
people are going to say, "Well, these
are, you know, mostly consumer
uh examples. Will this work in B2B
or you know, yeah, B2B? Yes, you know,
at the end of day, B2B is are people,
too. There's things that these you know,
people want to share. Maybe they're
sharing it within Slack, maybe they're
sharing it within Microsoft Teams. But
just think about what is something that
they are willing to share
uh with your with a the group that you
ultimately want
more of. So, that is strategy number
five.
Strategy number six.
So, you know me, you know, I think
audiences are really important. Um
sometimes, you know, it's just hard to
build an audience. Listen, a lot of
times it's hard to build an audience
more more often than not. Uh it takes it
takes sometimes years. It requires daily
content. Uh, there's no guarantee it
works, too, right? Sometimes you just it
doesn't work. Um, and then it it's
tough, right? Cuz you have zero
subscribers on day one.
So, uh, what if you just acquired a
niche newsletter instead of building
from zero? So, this is something a lot
of people don't think about, but you can
go and like buy a 10,000 subscriber
newsletter for 5 to $20,000.
You inherit that trust from day one. You
plug in your product immediately, and
then you can repeat that across niches.
Um,
if you have a product that you believe
in and you understand the LTV, this just
might make sense for you.
Uh,
so
a and a lot of these, uh, smaller
newsletters,
like they're not really monetizing that
well. So, they might be like stoked to
get a $10,000 offer from you.
So, if we want to get this started this
week, uh, I would go to Duuce.com,
uh, which is like a, you know, listing
of selling newsletters, newsletter
investor, or just search your niche
newsletter on Twitter or Substack, and
just try to find these newsletters.
That's step one. Step two is you
probably want to look at the 5,000 to
50,000 subscriber in your target niche.
You obviously don't want to buy
something so big in the beginning.
Uh, but I mean, listen, if you have the
money and you really do understand the
LTV, maybe you do. Um,
it's all about confidence.
Uh, how much confidence do you have?
Uh, step three is DM the owner. Have you
ever thought about selling?
Uh, you'd be surprised how many people
would sit uh, would take the call. Um,
next step is, you know, a lot of these a
lot of these folks, as I mentioned, are
not really making that much money. Maybe
they're making zero to $500 a month, and
they would be open to a fair offer,
uh, you know, 5 to 10 to 15 to 20,000
dollars. And then all of a sudden you
want a direct channel to your exact
audience and more importantly it's not a
social media account that could be taken
away from you at at any point. This is a
yeah, a direct line
that you can go and put links to and if
you want to put your product in there
and say come buy my product, you know,
it's going to get seen unlike places
like social media that could suppress
your reach over time. So I think this is
something that a lot of people think of
so I definitely want to throw it throw
it in there.
Um the last strategy is
thinking about
AI building an AI content repurposing
engine.
So
the way I think about it is this. You
can think about creating one, you know,
hero or pillar piece of content that
could be a podcast episode, a YouTube
video, a long blog post, an essay. Um
and that one piece of content ends up
becoming
a lot more, you know, it could be 50, 75
you know, 20 depends how much you want
to get out of it. So you can actually
use AI to take that pillar content, turn
into five to 10, you know,
tweets, three to five LinkedIn posts,
two to three short form videos, one
newsletter and the short form videos
would be using like a re-motion
skill on something like a Claude code,
you know, a newsletter edition, a blog
post, five to 10 quote graphics that you
can use creative LLMs to go and create
for you, email sequences. And a lot of
this stuff can actually you know, for
the people into open claw they can go
and automate with open claw. You can
also use
just Claude dispatch and and I think
you know, Claude co-work. Um perplexity
computer, any of these to go and
automate some some of this stuff for
you. The big The big idea here is you
get one thing that'll equal a bunch of
different contents, and that gives you
way more touch points across
multiple platforms. Um so, if you want
to get that started this week, um
you know, I I I would suggest just
starting recording like one 30-minute
piece of content. It could be a podcast,
could be a video, or just a voice memo.
It's way harder to actually go and write
a uh 3,000-word essay on something, and
I just find if you just voice memo
something or you do a podcast, uh it
could be like It could also just be an
internal podcast or just like literally
a video of you that you don't end up
putting out, and that like the actual
value is in the you know, the
repurposing that AI is going to do.
Uh you're going to want to transcribe
it. You can drop the translation into
Claude, turn this into five tweet
threads, three LinkedIn posts, and one
newsletter. Um
obviously, it needs to be set up
properly. Obviously, uh
you know,
there's
you you're going to get slop by default,
so you have to optimize to not slop, and
a part of that is having a really good
brand and reference images. A part of
that is, you know, setting routine so
it's going, you know, and researching,
you know, different topics and adding to
what you have. Part of it is
uh
part of it is knowing what skills and
having those skills, you know,
implemented. Um but, you know, you can
get started by just
by just getting started, and then
schedule across platforms. Um if you do
this every week, I think in 3 months
you'll have more content than your
competitors. You know, your competitors
are not putting out this amount of of
amount of content. They just really
aren't. And where we are with content,
just you know, in 2026 is because of for
you pages,
um
you know, you could you never know when
you can go viral in your niche.
Um, and you don't need a lot of
followers to to start. You just need a
lot of shots on net. So, this is kind of
like a shots on net strategy, and I
don't know why more people aren't, you
know, building this out.
So, those are the seven strategies,
growth strategies that, you know, I
think are interesting and that I think,
you know, I would pay attention to if I
was vibe coding something, if I wanted
to build a business, if I wanted
customers to have business, if I wanted
to build a growth engine.
Um, code used to be the moat. I think by
now, maybe by the end of this you you
understand that. Uh, distribution is the
new moat, right? It's the most important
thing is distribution. You know, it's
scarce, right? AI can't build it.
Product is really important, but it, you
know, in lots of ways it is commoditized
and code is fully commoditized. So, I've
given you seven distribution weapons.
Uh, just to summarize, I've given you
MCP servers, so let AI sell for you.
I've given you programmatic SEO, 10,000
pages in a weekend. I've given you free
tool, the tool is your marketing. I've
given you answer engine optimization, be
the source AI sites. I've given you
viral artifacts, make your output
shareable. I've given you buy a
newsletter, acquire the audience. And
I've given you AI repurposing engine,
one pillar and seven channels. So, pick
two of them, start this week, don't just
vibe code.
Um, I want to see you get customers,
make money, grow from there, reinvest,
have fun.
Um, and I'm happy you know, I wanted to
do this because, like I said, I want I
want I don't want you just to
to be to be, you know,
vibe coding stuff and no one's seeing
it. And I think there's too many people
doing that. Um, so, if this is
interesting, like I said, let me know
and I can do more of these. I have tons
of strategies that I use. I can go
deeper in the future.
I'm here to help you. The Startup Ideas
podcast like I
am here to help you get
increase your odds of success with good
ideas, growth tactics, startup ideas.
So, you know, please share this with a
friend. Let me know what you think and
I'll see you on the next episode. Happy
building.
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This episode focuses on the critical importance of distribution over product development for modern SaaS and software businesses. The creator argues that while AI has commoditized coding (vibe coding), success now requires a shift in priorities where marketing and distribution become the primary focus. He presents seven actionable strategies—including MCP servers, programmatic SEO, and building viral artifacts—designed to help builders acquire customers and achieve sustainable growth.
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