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Peter Teal is, to put it mildly, a bit of an  unusual guy. Within the last year alone, he has  

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started a new life for himself in Argentina,  bankrolled the inaugural Enhanced Games that  

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uh kind of flopped, started talking other  billionaires into abandoning the giving pledge,  

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published an essay about Watchmen and  One Piece, doubled his net worth, rifted  

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the easiest softball interview question of all  time. You would prefer the human race to endure,  

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right? I don't know. I I would I would um and  to top everything off, finished a speaking tour  

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in San Francisco in Rome about the Antichrist  and how it is going to take the form of tech  

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regulation or Greta Thunberg with as far as  anybody could tell not a hint of irony. Again,  

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this was all just within the last year. The time  management alone would almost be impressive if  

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it wasn't all so strange. Now obviously thanks to  a string of successful businesses and investments  

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into companies like eBay, Palanteer, Stripe,  DeepMind, Facebook, SpaceX, Bitcoin, and his own  

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venture capital firms, he has built an enormous  private fortune alongside deep public connections,  

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which more than almost anybody else on Earth has  allowed him to indulge these unorthodox hobbies.  

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There is also a good chance that none of this  is really news to you anymore. And that's not by  

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accident. Just over the last decade, Teal has gone  from doing everything in his power to keep a low  

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profile out of the public eye to today where he is  almost seemingly trying to manufacture outlandish  

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headlines. And all of this all raises the obvious  question of why. Outside of just putting him in  

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not a particularly flattering public spotlight,  these strange antics may genuinely be impacting  

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his underlying business interest. So, what  is it exactly that Peter Teal does? And more  

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importantly, what is it exactly that he wants? A  leak of private information purportedly related to  

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an ultra secret society called Dialogue, founded  by PayPal billionaire Peter Teal. If you want to  

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think about the the economy of California,  in some ways it's analogous to Saudi Arabia.  

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I um well I I I will I I'll get I will I will  sort of get get to it by and by. But the uh the  

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first of the new experimental culture ideas in  Valley since the first uh the program to replace  

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Western culture it's framed as multicultural  diversity is more than just hiring you know the  

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extras from the space cantina scene in Star Wars  or something like that. So you can imagine the  

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attention and concern when Tilliel decided to hold  [music] a series of lectures on the antichrist.

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All right, so like always with these videos, it  would be a lot easier and a lot more fun to just  

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rattle off examples of bizarre things this guy has  said, funded or supported over his career because  

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honestly there is a lot of material to cover  there. But for now, I want to as much as possible  

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leave the tinfoil hats to the side and just break  down what it is his businesses actually do to get  

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a clearer idea of what he actually wants. So, from  the beginning, Teal had a complicated childhood  

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moving from Germany to Ohio to South Africa to  a uh history city in modern-day Namibia before  

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ultimately settling in California when he was  10. From there, by most accounts, he was a quiet,  

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studious kid that had the grades to get into  Stanford, where he founded the Stanford Review,  

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a student publication with a conservative focus.  After graduating from the prestigious school,  

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he got a job as a law clerk, then a securities  lawyer at Sullivan and Cromwell, then a  

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derivatives trader at none other than Credit  Swiss with a side hustle of writing speeches for  

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Reagan's former secretary of education. Outside of  just being prestigious roles in their own right,  

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it's worth pointing out that he juggled all  these jobs over the course of just 3 years.  

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the only regular jobs that he really ever had.  Now, nobody should hold anybody's childhood or  

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early career against them. And the only reason  it's really worth discussing at all is to point  

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out that despite the turbulence, after his 3 years  of holding down normal jobs came to an end, he was  

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still ultimately surrounded by family and friends  who had the means to invest a million dollars with  

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him at the age of 29 in 1996. That money was the  seed capital to establish Teal Capital Management,  

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a small venture capital firm with the idea of  using his financial skills from his short stint on  

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Wall Street, mixed with his Stanford connections  to invest in promising startups before the larger  

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VC firms got to them. By most records, this fund  didn't really do anything that noteworthy. Its  

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largest documented investment was a web-based  calendar developed by one of Teal Stanford  

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friends that effectively went nowhere. But the  founder of that calendar project connected him  

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with Max Levkin who had another idea for a company  that would use cryptography to secure fully online  

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payments. So yeah, this part of the story you  have probably already seen 100 YouTube video  

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essays on. Although it tends to get told from  the perspective of one of the other founders,  

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Teal Levkin and Nosk started a company called  Field Link with an initial investment of  

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$100,000 from Teal of which $35,000 reportedly  came directly from Teal's parents. Field Link  

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eventually rebranded to Confinity, which launched  PayPal, which attracted further investment during  

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the do-com hype, merged with another online  payments company co-founded by Elon Musk, survived  

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the crash, went public in 2002, and by 2003  got bought outright by eBay, giving all of the  

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original co-founders a significant payday. Those  co-founders now colloally go by the name of the  

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PayPal mafia because it was a surprisingly large  group of people actually involved in starting this  

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business thanks to the mergings and because almost  all of these guys double down into building more  

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companies that love them or hate them are just  as if not more relevant than PayPal itself. Now  

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this whole business history is interesting and  probably worthy of its own how business worked  

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video. But the point is from here Tiel got a nice  little payday that he almost immediately started  

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on his next project with. Unlike a lot of the  other PayPal mafia, Teal didn't really have hard  

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tech skills. And yes, I know the raw engineering  skills of someone like Musk are hotly debated, but  

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he did go to school for science. And he also at  the very least saw himself as a techie engineer,  

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so pursued techy engineering businesses with  his exit liquidity. Teal knew what he was and  

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what he wanted to be, a finance bro. And less  than 6 months after wrapping up the eBay sale,  

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he had positioned himself as the moneyman  in two new ventures. The first was Clarium,  

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a macro hedge fund loosely based on trading  around the idea of peak oil. This actually did  

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pretty well in the run-up to 2008 and at its peak  had around $8 billion in assets under management,  

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making him one of the largest hedge fund managers  in the world at the time. It didn't fare so well  

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following the global financial crisis, though, and  a combination of bad bets plus investors pulling  

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their money out to shore up their own businesses  meant that the fund shut down in 2011. Although a  

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standard management and performance fee structure  still probably made Teal a decent amount of money  

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while it existed. Now at almost exactly the  same time he was setting up his hedge fund,  

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he also co-founded Palunteer Technologies. The  original thesis behind this business was that  

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PayPal actually had really good fraud detection.  And it did that by harvesting big data and  

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processing it with well-gineered algorithms. So  in the early 2000s, he thought the same kind of  

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big data processing could be expanded to combat  well basically everything. About 15 months after  

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starting these two businesses, he also made a  half million dollar angel investment into an  

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upandcoming social network called the Facebook. In  addition to buying Zuckerberg a car and providing  

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him personal mentorship. As if he didn't have  enough on his plate, less than a year later,  

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he launched Founders Fund alongside two  fellow PayPal co-founders and Sean Parker,  

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better known as Justin Timberlake from that  movie. This was a venture capital firm that  

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invests in earlystage companies, waits for them  to grow, and then cashes out at a higher price.  

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So yeah, as far as the villain origin story goes,  this was, all things considered, pretty boring.  

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He had a wealthy family that funded a startup  that got lucky and then reinvested those early  

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winnings into a venture capital firm to recompound  his wealth. Throw a rock at a San Francisco TED  

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talk and you will hit 20 people with effectively  the same backstory. Also, for what it's worth,  

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hot take alert here, but a lot of his early  investments were based on some pretty decent  

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ideas. Founders Fund in particular was launched  with a manifesto which is not a great sign but  

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it did make a good point which is that tech  investment had become too focused on things that  

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could be flipped for a quick profit rather than  building genuinely innovative new technologies.  

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Teal concluded the reason for this was because  worldchanging new technologies were hard while  

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making some new app or platform was easy. They  capped it off by saying that we were promised  

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flying cars instead we got 140 characters. They  also went on to point out that not everything with  

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a plug is technology. I mean, take the logo off it  and maybe don't call it a manifesto, and honestly,  

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it wouldn't be that different from half the stuff  we talk about on this channel every other week,  

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which does make me feel some kind of way. But  it's time to learn how money works to find out  

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how an idealistic tech investor became one of the  most powerful, dangerous, and strange men in the  

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never really stopped creating new funds. There are  serial entrepreneurs that normally have some kind  

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of early success and then go on to spend their  entire career founding new businesses over and  

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over again. And there are venture capitalists  that fund those new businesses. But Teal sort  

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of became a serial venture capitalist, creating a  long list of funds to invest into businesses based  

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on different ideas he had. Now, none of these  are public because they don't need to be. But  

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of the ones we know about, there are at least a  dozen venture capital firms and other investment  

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vehicles that he has co-ounded with various people  specializing in different areas of tech. After  

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his hedge fund closed down in 2011, he started  Mithil Capital to invest in more mature companies,  

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relaunched Teal Capital as a family office to  manage his other investments and co-founded  

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the America's Frontier Fund alongside Eric  Schmidt, the former Google CEO. He has made  

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co-investments into everything from a hedge fund  run by Joshua Kushner, Jared's little brother,  

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to a crypto investment fund alongside Mark Cuban,  a uh communications company alongside Jeffrey  

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Epstein. and he was also one of the early  investors into Reddit alongside Sam Alman,  

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Jared Leto, and Snoop Dogg. He also started Valor  Ventures, a VC firm focused on companies outside  

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of Silicon Valley, Crescendo Equity Partners, a  private equity firm focused on Asian markets that  

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he started alongside his husband Matt Danzen, and  then so so many Rivendell companies. Basically,  

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if he needs a shell company, he just calls  it Rivendell something. That includes his  

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personal Roth IRA fund, which he used to make  early investments into Palunteer and Facebook,  

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and which he grew from a $1,700 contribution in  early 1999 to roughly $5 billion inside of a tax  

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sheltered vehicle that was designed for middle  class retirement savings. So, the lesson from all  

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of this is that his business ever since exiting  PayPal has really just been having money and  

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having the right connections to scale companies  along to the next buyer. Also to play devil's  

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advocate a bit with that many fingers in that many  pies with that many other major public figures  

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invariably there are going to be some skeletons  even before considering his own personal agenda  

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which um gets a little bit harder to defend. Now  these businesses have always had a combination  

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of philosophy mixed with commercial interest.  Founders fund thought that technology wasn't  

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pushing us into the future. His hedge fund was  based on the thesis of peak oil. All of the Lord  

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of the Rings companies are based on investing in  some interpretation of the future. And by itself,  

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that's not unusual. Most investment firms have  some kind of thesis about how they look at the  

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market differently. And most of the time, it's  just branding to tell investors how they're going  

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to beat the boring index fund. But over time,  Teal's investments have slowly shifted from being  

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primarily motivated by finding returns to arguably  more motivated by forwarding a very specific world  

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view. Founders Fund is really just a venture  capital firm that thinks it can beat the market  

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by investing in the hard stuff that nobody else in  Silicon Valley is brave enough to pursue. Today,  

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the firm manages roughly 17 billion in assets.  America's Frontier Fund is slightly more  

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ideological and wants to bring tech manufacturing  back to America to stem the power of China. But,  

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you know, realistically, this could also make  some money. But then there are investments  

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like Prenomus, a venture capital firm founded by  Patri Freriedman. Fun fact, the grandson of Milton  

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Friedman, the libertarian economist, that is  about pushing the idea of semi-aututonomous tech  

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forward cities. Even if these were successful,  it is unclear how they would provide a return  

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to their investors. So, this is arguably much  more motivated by Teal's ideology of libertarian  

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cities and limiting government controls. This has  also extended to practice, a smaller organization  

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that Teal has heavily invested in that wants to  establish an independent internet native nation  

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with a future Ford city outside of the direct  influence of any existing nation state. The  

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company has reportedly raised over $525 million  from investors. Now, this is a wild enough idea  

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by itself, but some of the influences shaping  the objectives of practis have uh generously been  

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described by outlets like the New York Times as a  little bit fascist. One of the co-founders of this  

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particular project talked of wanting to establish  a non- US city as a place for tech leads to go to  

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if the US political environment became less tech  friendly. Now today, our tech leaders accompany  

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the president on diplomatic missions, stand in  front of the cabinet at inauguration, and pretty  

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openly float the idea of government co-investment.  So with all of that in mind, you might reasonably  

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think that the US political environment has  arguably never been more tech-friendly. Teal  

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would disagree. Largely in response to proposed  wealth tax measures in California, he has, as of  

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about 10 months ago, taken up primary residency in  Argentina. But the move also came with some other  

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advantages. The country's president, Javier  Malay, shares his libertarian ideologies,  

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and the two are reportedly working closely on  business and technological partnerships. So, it's  

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not unreasonable to think that he wants to develop  one of his tech cities down in Argentina. Another  

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noted advantage of the move is that Argentina is a  geographically isolated and resourcerich country.  

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So in the event of the AI apocalypse, it would  make a great doomsday bunker location. Now you  

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might remember that Teal already fasttracked New  Zealand citizenship where he reportedly also has a  

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doomsday bunker that he and Sam Alman were going  to share the end times in. So Argentina is kind  

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of the backup to the backup. But to be fair, this  move is not without precedent. About 80 years ago,  

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there was another group of Argentine immigrants  that also moved to the country to avoid political  

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uh All right, moving on. So, yeah, Teal has  made more money and developed more contacts. His  

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objectives pretty clearly shifted from just making  even more money to advancing his own ideologies  

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under the guise of investing in the future. This  also included very heavy spending on politics,  

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including $15 million on JD Vance when he was  running for senator in Ohio. The largest single  

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donation to a Senate candidate in American  history at the time. Now again, to be fair,  

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political spending from wealthy individuals is  objectively extremely common, and we did a whole  

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video on it. But Teal's super PAC, Protect Ohio  Values, went slightly further than just running  

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ads. They reportedly uploaded voter data to an  obscure blog for Vance's team to stumble upon  

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rather than handing it over directly, which would  have broken the arms distance rule of super PACs.  

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This was challenged for being a pretty blatant  flatting of the rules, but the case was ultimately  

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dismissed. Beyond politics, he has also always had  a very complicated relationship with the media.  

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Before the 2020s, he actually tried to remain very  private, doing most of his business in ideological  

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work behind the scenes. This was kind of derailed  by an article from the publication Gawker, which  

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outed him as gay back in 2008. Now, to be fair,  that was kind of a dick move, especially since  

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at the time Teal wasn't a particularly notable  public figure. He did not like this one little  

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bit. In response, he personally financed the  lawsuits of several people who were suing Gawker,  

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most notably Hulk Hogan, with the eventual end  goal of bankrupting the outlet entirely. A jury  

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awarded Hogan $140 million in 2016, and Gawker  filed for bankruptcy shortly after. Of course,  

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by this point, thanks to the media circus and his  growing wealth tied to major companies, he was  

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in the media whether he liked it or not. Now, the  irony in all of this is that Teal also co-founded  

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Palanteer, which is a company built on compiling  privacy violating information about everybody. The  

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US government alone paid them $687 million in the  first quarter of this year for exactly that kind  

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of work. And then literally as we were putting  this video together, Teal and Enhanced Games  

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founder Aaron Duza made another move to shake up  the journalism industry by launching Objection,  

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a company that uses AI to evaluate journalists  claims and which offers a service where for  

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$2,000 anybody can dispute a story, whereby the  journalist's claims get scored by a panel of AI  

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models, which isn't at all dystopian. Now, all  of these battles kind of had a Barbara Stryzen  

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effect where they put him further into the public  spotlight and now he is kind of just embracing it.  

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Today, he speaks very openly, is very upfront  with his politics and even is more outlandish  

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ideologies. He came up through Silicon Valley  in the early 2000s in the 2010s where these  

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kinds of ideas would have been very against the  grain and probably cost him major partnerships,  

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investments, and opportunities. And well, it  arguably still does. Venture capitalists need  

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promising founders with ideas just as much  as founders need venture capitalists with  

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money. There are a lot of potentially promising  entrepreneurs that just simply would not want to  

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work with Peter Teal or any of his several funds  because of his controversial views. What's more  

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is that this is potentially even having an impact  on his existing businesses. Palanteer does most of  

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his work with governments and well at least some  of those governments are beholden to their people.  

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Teal is a German citizen and he is still having  trouble with his German drone company because  

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the government is uneasy about his political  positions. This is costing him real money and real  

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opportunities. So why not just shut the [ __ ] up?  His life would arguably be a lot easier and his  

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business is a lot less scrutinized if he didn't  go out of his way to look like a super villain,  

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right? But the boring reality is that he  has more money than he will ever spend.  

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and he seems to genuinely think he can convince  people that his ideas have their best interest at  

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heart. To that end and in anticipation of some  push back, he has also engineered his entire  

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portfolio and life for that matter to be extremely  robust. He has multiple citizenships in Germany,  

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the United States, and New Zealand. And he also  applied for a passport in Malta in 2022. He has  

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structured companies specifically incorporated  and diversified across the planet. and he has  

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an extensive network and friends in  very high places. He is also not tied  

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to a single business like almost every other  billionaire at his level. Someone like Zuck,  

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Bezos, Ellison or even Musk are for better or  worse poster boys for their companies. Most  

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people would have no clue what Teal is actually  invested in. And even with all of this background,  

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his private holdings are private. So we probably  don't know the full extent of where his money is.  

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Yeah, sure. He is associated with Palanteer, which  is almost certainly by far his largest asset at a  

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roughly $9 billion stake. But nobody thinks that  is a nice company. Its value isn't going to drop  

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because of bad PR. If anything, leaning hard  into the school cap baddy bond villain thing  

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kind of cements what the company does to a lot  of investors, and average people aren't their  

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customers anyway. So, he can get away with saying  whatever he wants without the same vulnerabilities  

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that other major business leaders have. It just  so happens that what he wants to say is kind of  

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a bit out there. Also, for what it's worth,  he probably misses out on a lot of SoCal soy  

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boy founders that believe in nonsense things like  humanity's continued existence. But for a lot of  

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founders that want to pursue less PC initiatives  like nuclear tech, weapons or big data harvesting,  

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he is the first person they will go to. Which  means again to play devil's advocate, saying  

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wild things that makes headlines is good marketing  for his core businesses, which is investing money  

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into companies that put returns over traditional  ethics. Now, it is almost impossible to cover this  

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guy without simultaneously him and going  down a conspiracy rabbit hole at the same  

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time. Obviously, he is not advocating for a future  where regular people come out on top. and he isn't  

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really even trying to hide that. But arguably the  bigger problem is that people with this much money  

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can have so much influence to begin with. Now, if  you want to see all of these systems actually put  

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to work, go and watch this video next to find  out how money and politics made this a truly  

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unsolvable problem. And don't forget to like and  subscribe to keep on learning how money works.

Interactive Summary

This video profiles Peter Thiel, examining his evolution from a quiet Stanford-educated tech investor to a highly controversial billionaire figure known for his provocative political stances and unorthodox hobbies. It explores his business history, starting from PayPal and the 'PayPal Mafia' to his role as a 'serial venture capitalist' through firms like Founders Fund and Palantir. The analysis delves into why Thiel deliberately embraces a 'villain' persona, suggesting that his outspokenness serves as a marketing tool for his niche businesses—which prioritize high-impact, ethically-complex technologies—while his robust global financial structure insulates him from the negative consequences typically associated with bad public relations.

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