First I'll say that

lately life has been lifeing me. It's

been doing all the things. We lost a

dear colleague Om Malik.

>> Oh man, very very sad.

>> Very notorious like just amazing early

tech just creative

>> brilliant writer writer brilliant

thinker very sweet guy.

>> The nicest the nicest.

>> And we've lost him within the last week.

>> Yeah, yeah. He passed away so that was

tough. That was

really tough. I found out when I was at

a a retreat. I went to a 5-day silent

meditation retreat which is great but

bummer to hear that. But I mean this is

the thing that I realized the other day

I was

thinking about you know, Toaster and Om

and other stuff I have going on and my

mom getting older and following and all

these things and in some sense it's

unavoidable number one and number two

I kind of wouldn't have it any other

way. It's what makes life interesting.

Like when Om passed

>> You mean death?

>> Well, just the everything the chaos of

it all.

>> Yeah.

>> If you can just take a step back and be

like, well, or I could just be sitting

there living a really boring life and

nothing could be happening. Like when Om

passed

what I felt was a severe sense of loss

and sorrow and sadness but I realized

that that gap is just love at the end of

the day because I wouldn't have it

unless I loved this man so much. Like I

I cared for this person so much. How

lucky am I to have crossed paths with

this person?

>> you were

and you were tied in through True

Ventures obviously and prior to that.

>> Yeah, but like anyone in general that

you lose that you love, you know? I mean

when I lost my dad like that is just a

gaping hole of love manifested through

sorrow and sadness.

>> Yeah.

>> And once you realize that it's like,

wow, I had this great father that did

all these amazing things with me. And

you can kind of convert that or just be

okay with it. Not that you need to

change that feeling.

>> Recognize that it's a consequence of the

love you have.

>> of the love, the deep love.

>> Yeah, you know, I heard about his

passing and I want to give credit where

credit is due for a few things. Matt

Mullenweg,

>> Oh my

>> mutual friend, he was incredibly close

to Om.

And I'm really grateful to Matt for a

few things. One, I mean many things. I

could give a long list, but there are a

few. One is he organized a trip to

Antarctica. I've never been to

Antarctica or hadn't and on that trip

were just a handful of people including

Om. So I got to spend

quality time and trust me, when you're

in Antarctica

>> Yeah.

>> you are indoors most of the time. What

that means is you're either trying to

sleep in your tent, but it's going to be

during the summer, so it's like a

spotlight in your face 24 hours a day

or you're in one of these other

structures where you probably like

having wine and junk food, let's be

honest.

And there's a lot of talking. So we got

to hang out and Om was also an avid

photographer.

>> Mhm.

>> And so we got to like go to this nearby

emperor penguin colony, which was a

once-in-a-lifetime experience.

And you just sit and talk. And

if there were going to be any small

talk, which there wasn't going to be

with Om or me really for that matter, it

all falls away after the first half a

day.

>> Right.

>> And then everybody's kind of like

psychologically naked, right? So I

really want to thank Matt for that

opportunity to bond with Om. And I'd

spent a lot of time with him, but it was

always in these little bits and pieces.

>> Yeah.

>> You know, not for several days straight

where you're basically like locked in

together.

>> And separately Matt introduced me to

this short blog post by someone who

typically writes very long blog posts,

Tim Urban, called The Tail End. I don't

know if I ever sent this to you.

>> Yeah, people should know by Wait But

Why? Wait But Why? Yeah, fantastic blog.

>> And The Tail End makes the point among

many others that by the time you, I

think it's graduate from high school.

Let's assume you're headed off to

college

away from your parents. You've spent

something like 90, 95%

of the total hours you will ever spend

with your parents by the time you

graduate from high school.

>> Mhm.

>> And when you start to visualize that,

and Tim Urban's really good at laying it

out visually,

it can provoke some really profound

changes for me. I mean, just reading

that short blog post sent to me by Matt

ended up leading to taking my family on

these family trips as like awkward and

uncomfortable that was at points cuz my

family doesn't really

emote much.

>> Mhm.

>> And so you stick us together in the way

that I was together with them and it's

it can be super uncomfortable.

But making the effort, right? At least

feeling like, look,

this runway is not infinite.

>> Yeah.

>> And it's like, let me just make the

effort. And I'm glad I did because we

got to a point where it's like with my

dad's mobility is really compromised and

needs wheelchair now for a lot.

>> I just saw him a few days ago and it was

great to see him, dude.

>> Yeah.

>> It was so great to see him. He's so

kind.

>> Yeah.

>> He's like, "Kevin!" Like so happy. And

you know, he has a little cane and he

was just like so sweet to see him, man.

I hadn't seen him for like years.

>> Long time.

>> It'd been like 7 years or something like

that.

>> like that.

>> And

I'm glad I took those trips because

before you know it, you can't do it

anymore. And it makes me think of you

mentioned meditation, this really good

short, I'll call it a meditation for

simplicity, but

>> [snorts]

>> it's like an audio book chapter by Sam

Harris called The Last Time. I think

it's called The Last Time. And he

reflects on

these various experiences that at the

time you don't recognize are the last

time for something.

>> Mhm.

>> Right? So he he went skiing, he went

skiing, he went skiing and there was a

time when he stopped, but he didn't

realize that was going to be the last

time. Right.

>> And you just [ __ ] don't know.

>> Do you ever try and like I think about

this, dude, and then I try and do it one

more time.

>> Yeah, that's right. That's how I always

end up injured.

>> Dude, so

>> [laughter]

>> I went to the bouncy house with my kids

and like I'm 49, you know, and I was

like, I'm going to [ __ ] do a flip

right now. And like literally people

were like, don't do it. Don't like like

calm me off, you know, and I did it and

I stuck it and it felt good.

I think it'd be my last time.