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>> Great to see you again.

>> Great to see you, Joe. Happy to be here.

>> Happy to have you here. So, you've got a

documentary about the uh essentially

about the same subject that you talked

about last time you here, the impact of

microplastics and all these various

endocrine disrupting chemicals that

we're dealing with.

>> Right.

>> Right.

>> Right.

>> Tell me about it.

Ah, well, it started as a movie on

plastic and when I met Louie and he

filmed me in New York about five years

ago also, um, it wasn't

the small study that we have today. Um,

but let me backtrack because I want to

tell you something that I never told you

but was so important to me. So, you

remember when I was here, you said, "Are

you saying the toxins in the environment

are threatening the survival of the

human race,

>> right?"

>> And I said, "That's my story and I'm

sticking to it."

>> Yes.

>> Yes. And then you said something which

changed my life.

You said, "Why don't people know about

this?"

Remember that?

>> Yes.

I went home and I thought a lot about

that question

and that was what led me to create the

program that I have now action science

initiative

which is doing short impactful

relatively cheap interventions

to alert people to the problem and

communicating this in a way that I'm

hoping

will reach more people than academia

where I was speaking before because

before I talked to you I talked to my

peers in you know academia and in the

ivory tower you know at the meetings

where they all went at the they read the

papers that we all read but the general

public didn't get this so you really

were I I have to tell you thank you and

you were actually very influential in my

life

>> well I'm I'm very happy to help when I

first heard about about your book and I

started going over the the details of it

and the subject matter. I was shocked. I

I I I couldn't imagine that something

like this could not just have happened

but there's no largecale

effort to reverse course or to change

course or to do something about it or at

least to make people aware of the impact

that plastics are having on us. Let me

tell you a story about a friend of mine.

Um, there's a guy named Philip Franklin

Lee who is a uh Michelin star chef that

uh lives in Austin and um he has uh this

uh amazing sushi restaurant, Sushi by

Scratch and great chef. Anyway, um he

was uh experiencing

fatigue, like always tired, got his

hormones tested, extremely low

testosterone,

>> but then got his microplastics tested

and they were off the charts.

um did a series of interventions to try

to clean his body out from that. Um

stopped drinking anything out of

plastic, stopped using plastic

just by whatever he did. I'm not sure if

he did the plasma feresis thing that I

just did recently.

>> Um his testosterone went up to 1,200

with no testosterone replacement, no

nothing. just eliminating microplastics

from his life over a period of time

raises testosterone.

>> So that's fantastic and it's what we are

seeing in in the film and so on. I want

to just make a a small point which is

microlastics

and plastics and plasticizers are not

identical. Right.

>> Okay.

>> Right. So um microplastics are

relatively newcomer to the scene because

we've had plastics since 1950, right?

Microplastics have been there but not

recognized until rel relatively

recently. And actually measuring them in

in our bodies is much harder than

measuring the plasticizers which are the

chemicals that are put in plastic to

give them the various properties that

they have. phalates.

>> Phalates is one, bisphenol A is another,

um, and so on. So there there are other,

you know, and by the way,

well, we'll come back to that later. Um,

so yes, we can measure those, but

measuring microplastics in particularly

if we're going to go into your brain or

into your testicles, you know, into a

woman's placenta, obviously that's much

more difficult. So, um, they're not the

same, but the microlastics, what they

are is the actual pieces of plastic that

carry the plasticizers along with them.

So, they kind of piggy back on. So, they

do

>> double damage because they carry the

chemical harms and they also physically

enter the cells, right? So do you

remember I'm sure you asbestous you know

about you know and um silicosis and

these were other examples of particles

that went into the body and conveyed

both chemical harm and physical harm

like inflammation and so on and so

forth. So

they're all bad but they're not

identical. and and what we studied in

the plastic detox which is the film um

that was we did not study any

microplastics we studied the

plasticizers

so you probably remember I think I told

you last time um well why should you

remember anyway they're they're water

soluble and so they remember that you

know so they go into your urine and and

then they're pretty easy to measure

>> so I'm going to give this to you.

This is a kit. Open her up. I don't tell

you what.

>> Okay.

Learn what's inside. I'm already

>> It looks like you pee in that.

>> Okay,

>> that's right. You keep going.

>> And there's more stuff in there.

>> Yep.

>> Okay. Um something to send it back.

>> Right.

>> And then this looks like biohazard bags

to put your pee doesn't kill anybody.

and

and this is uh uh it's got a QR code on

it. Uh say hello to a healthier you.

>> So those are ways to find out ways to

lower your exposure.

>> Okay.

>> Yeah.

>> I know um a lot of people get these uh

harmful chemicals from drinking coffee,

hot liquids out of paper cups.

>> Yeah. From the paper cups that are lined

with, for example, bisphenols. But the

coffee itself is made in a most coffee

makers contain a lot of plastic also. So

it comes in both the cups and in the the

device that's making coffee

>> metal and make a French press. I do that

at home too. I got rid of my plastic

coffee machine.

>> Me too. Me too.

>> I was thinking about it. I was like, why

am I pouring hot water into this plastic

thing? That can't be good.

>> Yeah, it doesn't taste as good.

>> You're learning. You're learning.

>> French press tastes better anyway. So

here's my suggestion. If you're willing

to do this,

>> I am willing to do this.

>> You are good. Cool. So not hard.

>> Okay.

>> Pee in the cup. Send it in. Then

>> got it.

>> My colleague Jenna and her team will

analyze it for not everything in the

world, but the bisphenols,

>> the um phalates, and the parabens. Okay,

that's what they're they're going to be

adding pesticides soon, and that would

be great to have that as well. Um, then

if you want to go to phase two,

I can I have some things here that you

could swap in your kitchen and you could

go to that QR code and find out other

things that you could reduce.

And then if you wanted to, we could send

you another kit and you could see if

your levels changed.

>> Okay.

>> You want to do that?

>> I would love to do that.

>> Yay.

>> What is phase two?

A phase two would ma mail you back

another kit.

>> You take your urine again and that's it.

>> So that's to see if it's changed because

of lifestyle changes.

>> That's right. Right.

>> That's right. So you would be doing what

the couples in part of what the couples

in the intervention did. The couples in

the intervention also were were

infertile. And so we're not going to

touch your fertility question, but they

also the men collected sperm. And you we

can do that if you want but I don't

think you you know you may not want to

talk about that on your

but um that's what we did in the

intervention. So we in the intervention

we found I'll just this is this is what

the intervention was.

There's a company called fellow which is

grown out of UCSF and they're very big

now. I think they have like 200,000 men

in their files who have had their semen

tested. Okay. And at the time they're

have their semen tested, they're asked,

could we recont you for research? That's

one important question. And they're

asked, "Why did you want your sperm

tested?"

And if they say because we're infertile

or subfertile or we worrying about our

fertility, we ask or they ask how long

has it been that you've been having this

problem with fertility? And if it's more

than 12 months, then they're technically

infertile,

right? So if they said they would agree

to be reconted and they were infertile,

they were potentially

eligible for this intervention. You with

me?

>> Got it.

>> So

actually finding the couples that are in

the film was a long process. They had to

of course agree to be filmed. They had

to have what we call

terrible word idiopathic infertility. No

known causes. So they and they couldn't

be obese, they couldn't be smokers, they

couldn't have a diagnosis, a medical

diagnosis that explains, we don't want

it to be unexplained. Okay. So

sort of we winnowed down to what was six

couples. One of them dropped out um for

personal reasons, so I won't go into

that. But um that's how we got those

couples. They had to be couples, by the

way, and they had to be staying together

for the next three months and not doing

IVF. Okay.

>> Okay.

>> So, that's that was the setup. And and

then

the company called Million Marker that

you're going to send your P to um they

have a education program and that's a

lot of what they do, the testing and the

education. And so all of those couples,

you know, they talked to them and said,

"Tell me about what you put on your face

this morning. Tell me what you washed

your clothes with. Tell me what you

clean your counters with." And on and on

and on like that, right? So they took an

inventory of what the couples were

doing. And then they started this

educational program, which they're very

good at and been doing doing for a

while. Once a week they talked to them,

so how's it going? Have you changed

this? What what are you using now? And

so on. So, it was not just a one-time

thing. Um, and if you were doing this,

it would be short, you know, just like

use these things maybe. Um, but

along with that, we sent them the fellow

kits to collect their semen.

Okay. So, we have beginning, middle and

end was three months. So beginning 6

weeks 12 weeks and you know why 3 months

>> why

>> takes 70 days to make a sperm.

>> So we wanted to have turnover within the

course of the intervention. Yeah. So so

they we sent them a kit and they

collected their semen at home which is

nice for guys because you don't have to

go into lab and do it there and you know

it's it's much better at home. Right.

>> Yeah. and they sent it in and and they

figured out how to get all the

parameters right even though it's mailed

and um yeah so the couples did that. So

we had over time

levels in their body of the chemicals,

semen quality,

what they were doing to what they

changed in their life because we have

this record of everything they changed

and then finally

we saw who got pregnant. And I hope your

listeners will watch the plastic detox.

It's a movie that a lot of people love

and and found, you know, really moving.

Um, and you should watch it.

>> Can I ask you about the coffee question?

When you go to a place like, let's just

say Starbucks, not to single them out,

but are they using plastic with their

coffee machines? Are their coffee

machines made with plastic?

>> I I don't I don't know about any

particular place except my kitchen.

>> I was just a question.

>> I suspect that they are using plastic,

>> right? So if people stop at a place like

that on a regular basis on their way to

work in the morning to get coffee and

they use they bring their own plastic or

excuse me they they bring their own

stainless steel thermos or mug that

would eliminate some of it but perhaps

>> one source. Yeah.

>> Yeah. But perhaps they're getting it

actually from the coffee machine itself

>> because I see when they slide those

>> when you see these big industrial

machines and they slide those filters

in, those filters are plastic.

>> Yeah. Yeah. Well, they're they're

probably they probably have bisphenol in

them. Yeah.

>> Right. It's a plastic tray. It seems it

seems like I don't know. But then

there's a paper filter in the plastic

tray and

>> Right.

>> So, you're getting it no matter what.

>> And if they use those pods

>> Uhhuh.

>> you know.

>> Yeah.

>> At home.

>> Bruno, one of our

guys in the film,

wonderful guy. He he was kind of

addicted to his coffee machine, his

pods. And we said, "Brun, we want you to

stop using those pods." "No, I don't

want to stop." But he did. He did. And

um

they've had two babies. Yeah. Now, I'm

not not saying that's the reason, but

you know, it's a contribution probably.

>> Well, there is certainly an issue, like

I said, with my friend Philip that it

made a radical difference in his sperm

count and his testosterone levels. And

so this is probably the case with so

many Americans in this country that are

dealing with infertility issues. A big

part of it is probably these

plasticizers. Is that how you heard

them? Yeah.

>> Plasticizers. All these various

chemicals that are endocrine disruptors

that are ubiquitous in the modern world.

>> Yes. Unfortunately. And by the way, not

the women. Let me tell you something. We

we didn't talk about the women last time

very much, right?

>> A little bit. We did little. Yeah. We we

I think we did. So the women need

testosterone too.

um you know for sexual arousal and

libido and so on and and muscle and um

and we in our um one our study study for

future families I think or maybe yeah um

we asked we got the urine and we saw

what they you know how much phalates

were in their urine and then we asked

them some questions about their sexual

experience. So, how satisfied were they

with their sexual sexual life? Um, and

frequency

and the women who had higher levels of

phalites were had less satisfaction and

lower frequency. So, it's not just the

men.

>> Completely makes sense.

>> Everyone needs testosterone.

>> Yeah. My wife's friend got on

testosterone. She's uh I guess she's

about 50. She got on testosterone

because of her her doctor put her on

some low level of cream or something

like that. And her

>> her response was like, "It makes me

horny like a bloke." She's English.

She's like,

>> I thought it was a very funny thing that

she said it that way.

>> Did she think that was a good thing?

>> Yeah, she enjoyed it apparently.

Allegedly. I didn't speak to her

directly,

>> but I think that's what she was saying.

Like, whoa, you know, just wo.

>> Yeah. Well, I mean, it's the the thing

that came out of your um the episode

that we did um that shocked me the most

is how little this is discussed in the

mainstream. And uh I had not known until

you brought it up. Until you became a

guest on the show, until I started

researching it, I was stunned. I I

couldn't believe that this was something

that was so common. And so, so one of

the things that comes up all the time is

infertility with couples that are trying

and they're using IVF and it's more

common now than ever before. And there's

been a lot of things that people a lot

of factors that people have attributed

to that reason. A lot of them being

older people that are, you know, they

put their careers aside in their 30s,

they decided now it's time to have kids.

They're worried that it's too late. Um,

but listening to you talk about it, it

seems like that's only one part of the

the issue and not the big part. The big

part seems to be that we're being

poisoned and we're doing it by virtue of

our modern world that we live in where

so much of your life relies on plastic.

And it's very difficult for people that

are so set in their ways, they have

routines, they don't really understand

like what what can I do to eliminate

this stuff from my life? Just having the

conversation and understanding that

these things are having an impact is

great, but the steps that people need to

take in order to eliminate these things

from their life, I think that's what's

really important to get out there. Now,

>> I thank you. You said it really well.

Um, let me just give people a um a place

to go. You go to onplasticyourlife.com.

>> Okay. And then there's action and then

you can go to the various places in your

home that you can

>> It's just on plasticyour life. One word

unplastic.com.

>> Yeah. Um, let me see if I got that.

Yeah. So unplasticyourlife.com,

go to actionhub and then to protect

yourself

>> and that'll give you lots of things to

do to lower these exposures.

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Nonstick cookwware. Um that stuff has is

that different?

>> Yeah.

>> It was when you have nonstick cookware,

does that have any endocrine disrupting

chemicals as well?

>> But different ones.

>> Different ones. Which ones are those?

>> So those are what's called the POS

chemicals.

>> And

it's in actually not just cookware. It's

anything that put puts a barrier

between two medium, if you will. Um like

a rain jacket will put a barrier between

the rain and your skin, right?

>> Um and also stain resistant. It'll

barrier with the the stain. Um and it's

very very prevalent. I mean, it's all

your, you know, it's in clothing. It's

in

>> I've heard it's in a lot of yoga tights

and things along those lines.

>> Yes. Workout clothes.

>> That's so crazy. you think you're being

healthy

>> and you're exposing yourself to

endocrine disrupting chemicals

>> and uniforms. There's a book I I I don't

should probably shouldn't recommend

another book, but I think it's a good

book. I'll just say it's called to die

for DE and it's about the flight

attendants uniforms and the harms that

they do because they're coded they have

a lot of PIFA because they you know have

to keep clean and the and and they've

got they're not clean, right? Because

they have this pas in them. It's in

sports uniforms. You you do a lot with

sports. All the sports uniforms.

>> Nylon.

>> Yeah.

>> Yeah. Is it anything with nylon? Is that

what it is?

>> Probably, but I'm not sure. I'm not, you

know, I could refer you to somebody, but

I'm not the clothing expert, but I know

that they're in these thing. And one of

the things that is kind of scary um is

school uniforms. You know, a lot of kids

have school uniforms and they're loaded

with it.

>> Oh,

>> yeah.

>> Yeah. My kids used to wear a uniform

every day.

>> Yeah.

>> When you uh you say to die for, are dyes

in cotton clothes also releasing?

>> Really?

>> Yes.

>> Dyes are dyes are very risky.

>> We got to go back to being Amish.

>> Yeah.

>> Here it is.

>> From the good.

>> Yeah.

>> So, the fact there's little or no

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masks that have become ubiquitous in

recent years. Wicker explains how we got

here, what the stakes are, what all of

us can do in the fight for a safe and

healthy wardrobe for all. Wow.

>> And that's in the film. There's

discussed in the film

>> a little bit, not the major, but it's

>> so blue jeans

>> probably. probably

>> I can't you know speak about

>> there is a river uh I believe it's in

China where uh a series of blue gene

factories exist

>> where the entire river is blue

>> it's so disgusting like not blue like

beautiful clean water blue like dyed

>> dyed water

>> like d look at this look at that

>> oh

>> that's the blue jean capital of the

world

>> wow

>> that's where they make a lot of blue

jeans and look at the stinky, dirty,

disgusting blue dye water that is just

that river leaking out into the ocean

which also looks polluted. You want

cheap clothes, kids,

>> this is what happens. It's so crazy.

Like look at that stuff. I mean, how

many genes are they making?

And what are the you know

>> and this is a good point for me to point

out that these things are affecting

animals of course like the animals fish

in this

>> too. Look at this African rivers as

well.

>> True. Of course we do it in other

places. If we did in America people

would be aware.

>> Canada.

>> Canada too.

>> I'm not sure they'd be aware.

>> You don't think so?

>> We're trying.

>> We're trying.

>> We're trying to get them aware. I mean

that's what we're doing right now.

Right.

>> Right. So to go back to that point you

raised about you know

reasons that people give for low

testosterone or low fertility, low sperm

count

and particularly this comes up for

fertility. Coup more couples are you

know fertility is in the toilet right?

>> Yes.

>> That's a weird thing to say but yeah

>> for lack of a better

>> Yeah. Yeah. Um and um I mean used to be

five children per couple on the average

in 1960 and now it's in South Korea it's

like 0.88.

>> Wow.

>> That's the worst. You know

>> why is South Korea the worst?

>> I don't know. I mean all of East Asia is

very very

>> South Korea's their replacement numbers

are so low. That's right. That it's

they're in danger of complete population

collapse. Absolutely. And and Japan is

getting there and you know all of that

Southeast Asia

and um

so when there's a lot of articles about

this a lot of editorials a lot of

articles and they make me so Joe they

make me so mad because they say

correctly that having a child at older

age will do this to some extent. you

know, not wanting to have a children as

many children will do this to some

extent, but they never mention toxics.

>> They just And so I've written editorials

saying, "Hey guys, we're not alone on

this planet,

and we're not the only species that's

declining in number." And then if you

look at the curve of the number of

species that are declining and the rate

of decline of human fertility, they're

parallel. It's all all about 1% per year

and and so they're and we know they're

exposed these other species. You showed

it there those fish in that water are

exposed and you know animals on the

periphery. So I would love for everybody

when they look at these numbers of

declining fertility consider that it's

not all choice.

>> Right?

>> Animals are not choosing to have their

children later or to delay childbearing.

Right? They have big careers.

>> Beavers are trying to make dams. They

don't have time for children.

>> Right. Exactly. Exactly. Yeah. So for

for me, you know, it's

not there. Those are good. Those are

explanations for sure. Obviously, when

you get older, your fertility is less.

Obviously, if you're have a busy life

and you don't have time to have

children, you shouldn't have children.

But

the toxics matter. They matter a lot.

>> 100%. Yeah.

>> And the animals uh is the issue exposure

to water that has these chemicals in it

because of pollution. What is what is

causing it with that?

>> All it's in the water. It's in the soil.

It's um in the what they eat because it

comes in, you know, in the plants. Um

>> it gets into the plants.

>> Yeah. Do you know that phalates I'm just

this is a little fun fact. Phalates are

put in pesticides.

Why would they do that? Well, they

because one of the things that phalates

do is they increase absorption. That's

why they're in hand cream.

>> Ah,

>> right. You see, you put your hand cream

on, it goes in your skin, right?

Phalates help that. You you have the

pesticide you wanted to go into the

plant. Phalates help that. So, you know,

they're the exposures are all over the

place for and animals are getting them

too. A long time ago,

I don't think we talked about this, but

there was a wonderful scientist who's

not living anymore. His name is Lou

Gillette. He lived in Florida. And he

showed that alligators

swimming in a lake that had a lot of

runoff

of pesticides,

get this, their penises were small.

>> He measured them and he was he was a big

he's like he was a big guy. He he went

he had to do it at night. He went at

night, wrestled them into the boat,

and I have pictures of that. Took them

to his lab,

>> measured their penises,

>> measured their penises.

>> They must have been very confused when

they got let go. Like, what is this guy

kinky with? What is his thing?

>> You know, and and they and they had

fewer eggs,

>> right?

>> So, they were declining species. That's

just an very dramatic example of uh you

know if you can you put up

penis size and

>> alligator penis size. I'm just wondering

>> as if you don't already Google that

Jamie.

>> Let me find you a photo.

>> Uh I asked our perplexity this thing and

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>> 25% smaller penis sizes compared to

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So, it's all endocrine disruptors from

pollution.

Oh boy.

Yeah. I mean, you would think that this

would sound the alarm. Like,

>> and this is not new. This is who's dead.

This is old work.

>> Oh,

and no one knows.

>> Yeah. It's never disc. First of all,

there's not a lot of people that say,

"First problem on my list today,

alligator penis sizes. It's a real

issue. Like, you're in front of

Congress. We got to talk. Alligator

penis sizes are shrinking." They'd kick

you out of the building. Actually, he

Lou Gillette went to Congress

and he gave a talk

>> and he said,

>> "Every man in this room is half the man

his grandfather was."

>> As far as testosterone levels, right

>> and penis well, he didn't measure their

penis, but grandpa was making this

point, you know, and fertility and all

this. Yeah. Yeah.

>> Well, I mean, it completely makes sense,

but what doesn't make sense is how

little attention that's being paid. You

would think that in a society that is fa

I mean America is also facing a

potential population collapse. People

don't think about that but our

reproduction numbers

>> we're not reprodu Yeah. They're they're

down quite a bit and they're not at the

level that we need in order to keep our

population.

>> It's the you know the normal shape of

the population is like this right? So

this is up here not very many people and

down here lots and lots of people

>> and this is terms of age older younger

at the bottom

>> this right

>> lots of people are living longer but few

are down here and then what that means

is the ones down here are supposed to

support the ones up here

>> but there's not enough of them

>> but not enough of them

>> right yeah

>> so it's a huge societal problem um

>> well it's just so confusing how few

people are even aware of this we were

talking I I didn't realize it had been 5

years since our last podcast, which is

pretty crazy. But in that 5 years, you

barely hear about it. It's occasional.

People bring up certain chemicals they

think are bad. Oh, avoid this. Uh Paul

Saladino was the one that showed that

the paper cups that you get from a

coffee shop that if you take that paper

away, what you have is essentially this

plastic membrane and that's what you're

drinking your coffee out of. You're not

drinking your coffee out of paper. and

how terrible these things are for you.

But even that, it's like people just

dismiss it. The line around Starbucks is

always the same.

>> There's always people going to get their

coffee. They don't think anything of it.

And they're just consuming these

chemicals that mess up your health, mess

up your vitality, your your energy

levels, everything. Brain fog.

>> But who's whose responsibility is it,

you know?

>> Well, to talk about it, I think it's

ours. It's certainly yours and mine. and

will spread this word and more people

discuss it. Um, and I think more people

need to be aware that this directly

impacts you. Like this is not like in

the future I don't have to think about

it. I'll be dead. No, it's it directly

impacts your health, your energy levels,

your vitality right now as a living

human being listening to this show.

So just to add to that how it affects

you, not you. I think

>> humans

>> maybe your levels are lower. I don't

know, but we'll find out. But um

both men and women who have lower

fertility on average, these are studies.

There have been about four or five

studies that have shown this. Lower

fertility and sperm count on the male

side die younger.

Die younger. Okay. This is

should be of concern to everybody.

>> Yeah.

>> Your life expectancy is Yeah.

>> You have less vitality.

>> You have less energy

>> and the things that affect your sperm,

your vitality, your testosterone are

also affecting other it's a it's a

canary in the coal mine, if you will, of

lots of things that are going south,

>> right,

>> at the same time,

>> which completely makes sense. And as the

case of my friend Philip, all this

fatigue, all these issues that he was

experiencing. Yeah.

>> Yeah. It's not just one never just one

thing,

>> right?

>> Yeah.

>> It's uh it is quite disturbing how

uncommon these discussions are though.

That's what's crazy, you know, that this

is a this should be a huge factor. I

mean, we get concerned with so many oh

there's people concerned with alcohol

consumption. It's a big thing like and

that has had an impact. Children today

or young adults I should say today are

consuming much less alcohol than people

in the past. Cigarette smoking we're

aware very dangerous much less cigarette

smoking than in the past. The

consumption of these endocrine

disrupting chemicals is essentially the

same as when we talked 5 years ago.

>> So I want to go back to this question I

asked is whose responsibility? So I

don't think it's I mean it's great for

you and I to be concerned and for your

listeners to be concerned but in fact

it's shouldn't be our responsibility

because the you know the drug FDA does

drugs right they're pretty good control

of you know safety of drugs

>> pretty good

>> yeah okay we can talk but but compared

to chemicals in our daily products that

products we use every day. It's

fantastic because the regulatory

agencies are not doing the job

>> right.

>> Okay. And so that's why it's all out

there because they're not doing the job.

Here in Europe, it's much better, by the

way.

>> Is it?

>> Yeah.

>> Well, that's bad because they're going

to beat us. They'll outrouce us. We'll

go away and they'll take over.

>> No more America.

>> We have to get people angry.

>> Yes. enough to put pressure on, you

know, there there's a bill, the TUSCa

Toxic Substances Control Act, which

should be doing a lot of this and I

think it's coming up for revision and

and you know, maybe people can pay

attention to that and read about it and,

you know, think government should be

doing this. It's not our job. Mhm.

>> It's not our job to worry about what's

in our pants and what's in our this and

our this and our this. You were asking

what kind of what's in, you know, denim

and so on. Should we have to read up on

that?

>> Is there are there dyes for jeans and

clothes that are not toxic?

>> Yes. But as I said, this is not my area.

Yeah. You got to get

>> I can give you a name if you want to get

somebody on clothing and you know on

this. Yeah, I'd be happy to. Yeah. Yeah.

But um

just because it was relatively new to my

consciousness when I was you know doing

the film and before that I we didn't

collect data on that unfortunately you

know maybe we should do another study

which reminds me there is just like so

much work to be done and for my program

there's so many interventions I want to

do that we did this one which great

success and now we're doing another one

and we have another one but if anybody

wants to help, you know, with this. It's

all privately funded.

>> The government is not going to fund

this,

>> right? Unfortunately.

>> Unfortunately. So, you know,

>> let me know if anybody comes to you and

says, "How can we help?" And all

>> Well, I'm sure somebody will reach out.

They usually do. Um the the thing that I

I would imagine would be the response to

something like this was that there are

so many industries that are established

already that require the use of all

these compounds, all these chemicals,

all these endocrine disrupting chemicals

and it is it's just everywhere. It's

everywhere in everything. They use

plastic in the production of so many

different things. These things are

leeching into our food. They're leeching

into our clothes. They're leeching into

all these various products that we use

that contribute to these chemicals

entering into our body, disrupting that.

I So like you you're aware of

glyphosate, I'm sure. Um they were

trying to eliminate glyphosate from the

industrial agriculture.

>> Good luck.

>> Exactly. Well, the president passed an

executive order blocking it because some

enormous percent 90s something percent

of all of our food when in terms of

wheat, corn, all the agriculture in this

country relies on glyphosate for

production. And so the the idea is we

need poison so that we can make food

which is so crazy especially when you

consider the fact that all these other

countries

don't use glyphosate and feed their

population. So how are they doing it and

what do we need to do to to get back on

that track? And

>> you know I had RFK Jr. in here to

discuss it and he was very crestfallen

when he was explaining that there was an

executive order passed and that you know

he was working very hard to try to

eliminate glyphosate and something that

he discussed in you know previous

meetings that he and I had that was one

of his primary concerns glyphosate is

toxic it's terrible it's just completely

awful for your body yet the use of it is

ubiquitous in agriculture industrial

yeah

>> agriculture and he was trying very hard

>> to try to eliminate it and then the

government passes this executive order

because in their estimation Yeah.

Exactly. pressure. Exa. Yeah. And this

is what I worry about with

>> Yeah.

>> And I don't want to me mention any

names, but there's a lot of these

popular clothing brands that people wear

that are, you know, fitness, I'm

healthy, I'm fitness wear. and these

fitness wear that you're these clothing

that you're wearing are leeching these

chemicals into your body that are

screwing up your health which is so

crazy but it's so

>> I don't want to say it's perfect but it

it sort of encapsulates

>> how screwed up our modern life is yes

the

>> paradox so I did a study on glyphosate I

mean I examined our populations for

glyphosate and interestingly

they also have an effect on remember an

general distance.

>> Yes.

>> The taint the taint size they influence

the taint size.

>> Yeah.

>> Now that's not we did it in two studies

and there's been some animal studies. I

can't say this is an established fact

but I'm just pointing out that it has

very you know many unforeseen

consequences. None of them good. And by

the way, I was asked to go to talk to

RFK tomorrow, but I can't because I have

another another call meeting. But but um

I would love to talk to him about this

because this this glyphosate is a a big

concern of mine.

>> Yeah. Because

>> Well, I hope you do talk to him.

>> Yeah. He has these roundts

>> and on different scientific topics. So

this one is on microplastics, which is

not perfect for me because I haven't

measured them. But but if he has one on

glyphosate or pesticides that would be a

good place for

>> well his hands are tied right now on the

glyphosate issue momentarily. They have

some non-toxic

solutions.

>> Um one of them is they have this new

device which is it it like the same way

these machines crop pull the crops out

of the ground. These machines go over

the crops and zap all the non-essential

crops with a laser beam. Non-essential

crops, excuse me, non-essential plants.

So, weeds, I would say. So, as the

corn's growing or whatever, whatever it

else it is, they're zapping all the

other stuff that's growing around it

that's sucking up all the resources, all

the weeds.

>> Yeah.

>> Yeah.

>> That sounds like a good step.

>> That's a great step

>> because it minimizes the use of

pesticides.

>> Exactly. And I asked, "Does it have any

residual effect on the food?" He said,

"No." Well, that's great. But then, you

know, farmers, one of the big problems

is they're already barely making money.

>> So, if you now require them to spend,

you know, x amount of dollars on some

gigantic weed zapping laser that has to

cover who knows how many acres they're

running. these mono I mean I'm sure

you're aware but monocrop agriculture

for people who have never seen some of

these places that grow corn and wheat

you're talking about these massive

pieces of land that only grow one thing

which in nature doesn't exist so of

course nature wants to rectify that

nature's like why is there only weed

here you need weeds and so you know

birds drop seeds all these seeds fly in

the wind and then all these things grow

so you're going to have to get these

machines that are capable of traveling

over all of those crops and zapping out

all the weeds. How much is that going to

cost to people that are already

struggling?

>> Yeah.

>> You know, cuz the American farmers are

barely getting by. Barely. And we need

them. And you know, the last thing you

want to do is burden them with another

cost. But also, you know, the use of

especially when it comes to things like

wheat because they're using it after

they harvest the wheat to dry it out

quicker so it doesn't grow mold on it.

That's why they're using glyphosate. So,

it's not even it's not even as a

pesticide.

>> Mhm.

>> It's they're using Yeah. They're using

it as a I guess a desiccator.

>> Wow.

>> Yeah. And that's why so many

theorized to be why so many people in

this country have a problem with bread.

you know,

>> which makes sense.

>> And with her tape, no.

>> And their tape. Yeah. A lot of tape

problems. A lot of people are

complaining. Uh, but it's just it's so

weird that we're so intelligent and so

informed and, you know, now we all have

supercomputers in our pockets that have

access to things like Perplexity. They

can answer any questions you have about

anything. But yet we're being poisoned

by the very food that we eat, the coffee

that we drink, the clothing that we

wear,

>> the water we drink.

>> The water we drink, everything.

>> Yeah.

>> Here's a good question. Are there any

good filters on a consumer level that

will remove a lot of these chemicals

from water that a person can buy?

>> I can't name any brands,

>> right? But are they available?

>> Yes, there are. But I

>> Is it reverse osmosis? Like what are the

ones that work the best? I'll tell you

my my solution in my house. Okay, that's

very personal. Um, we distill our water,

you know. So, so the water out of the

tap

>> goes into a big container and then it's

boiled,

>> steam is formed, crosses over and the

steam is condensed into another

container. Right.

>> Right.

>> And that has nothing in it and removes

everything. And by the way, all germs

also. So that's what we've chosen. And

then in this thing that sits on the

counter, um my husband does this every

other day. It's kind of a nuisance, but

not too bad. And and the water is

fantastic.

>> Do you have to remmineralize it?

>> You should take minerals somewhere. You

can do it in the water. You can do it in

your supplements. Yeah, you it is does

remove the minerals. Yes.

>> Right. And that's what I've heard is the

problem with drinking distilled water is

that it actually leeches minerals and

nutrients from your own body

>> that I don't believe. No,

>> I don't believe but the water itself has

had its minerals.

>> Well, let's put it into perplexity. What

What is the issue with drinking

distilled water for health purposes? And

is it recommended that you add

electrolytes or minerals or what have

you?

because um that's what so one of the

things that uh fighters do when they're

cutting weight I don't think most of

them do it anymore but a lot of them

were drinking distilled water so that

the water would go in their system and

right out of their system because

cutting weight for fighting I don't know

if you know about this but they have to

weigh in at a certain weight class and

essentially what they do is radically

dehydrate themselves 24 hours before a

fight which is not a great idea it's a

terrible idea so Perplexity says it is

generally safe to drink distilled water

most people do not need to add minerals

to it as long as they eat a reasonably

balanced diet. Distilled water simply

water has been boiled and rec condensed.

So, it's very low in contaminants and

minerals. Health sources note that it is

safe to drink but tends to taste flat

because minerals like calcium, magnesium

are removed. Uh what about minerals? You

get the vast majority of needed

minerals, calcium, magnesium, potassium,

etc. from food, not water. So, distilled

water alone does not usually cause

deficiencies in healthy people with a

good diet. However, some organizations

and reviews point out that long-term use

of very low mineral water may slightly

reduce mineral intake. And in specific

groups, children, heavy exercisers,

there we go. People with certain

illnesses could contribute to

electrolyte imbalance if diet is poor.

So, when might adding minerals help?

Distilled water is humane or only

drinking water and your diet is low in

fruits, vegetables, and other mineral-

richch foods. Adding a pinch of mineral

salt or using a re remineralization

cartridge. That sounds terrible.

Cartridge sounds like plastic, right? Or

drops can help restore small amounts of

calcium, magnesium, and electrolytes and

improve taste. Athletes who sweat

heavily. People with kidney or hormonal

issues affecting electrolytes and those

on very restricted diets should be more

cautious about relying exclusively on

distilled water and may benefit from

electrolyte or mineral replacement as

advised by a clinician. Um I mean I

recommend people take electrolytes

anyway. I I always add electrolytes to

water

>> every day when

>> here here's a funny anecdote. We have a

cat and

>> what's your cat's name?

>> His name is Archie.

>> Archie.

>> Archie.

And Archie comes

patrols the house and steals our water

whenever possible. He comes and drinks

from our glasses unless we cover them

up.

>> So I think Archie probably likes your

water cuz it doesn't smell like poison

to him.

>> He loves our water and and he has the

choice of his own water which comes out

of the tap and he will 100% prefer our

distilled water

>> which makes sense if you think about a

cat's sense of smell. It's got to be off

the charts.

>> Yeah. So he can probably smell like this

water's got a bunch of junk in it.

>> And when you do the distill do the

process which Stephven does, you know,

every other day and he goes to clean the

container that you put the water in, it

stinks.

>> It really stinks. You would be shocked.

>> Wow.

Well, we have uh a crazy filter at our

house. We have well water and then we

have this crazy filter, this giant

machine

>> that filters all the water. Tastes

delicious. But um it's not distilled.

>> I'm not I'm not saying that you know um

that's you shouldn't distill. That's an

alternative. I mean sorry you shouldn't

filter. That's an alternative. But I'm

just saying what we chose to do in our

house.

>> Yeah.

>> And so um the distilling it removes

chlorine and all these other issues that

are in the water as well.

>> Yeah. And fluoride everything. Yeah.

Fluoride is another one that's bananas

that we add to water under the guise

that it helps your teeth like shut up.

brush your teeth.

>> Yeah.

>> You know, I don't have any cavities. I

don't use fluoride. I have fluoride free

toothpaste. I don't have fluoride in my

water. It's dumb. It's not just dumb.

It's completely connected to lower IQ's.

>> There's a direct correlation between

higher fluoride content in water and

lower IQs. But

>> there's a giant business involved in

selling fluoride to these municipal

water supplies.

>> I know.

>> Which is nuts. More poison. And then we

are so screwed up chlorination.

>> Yeah.

>> And I've said for years I studied

chlorination byproducts and they cause

miscarriage.

>> So it's got to be terrible for people

that swim a lot in public pools, right?

>> Yeah. I

>> because then it's being absorbed by your

skin.

>> I don't know how much exposure you get

in the relatively short time you're

swimming, you know? I don't know. Yeah,

>> let's find out. Put that into

perplexity. How much of an issue uh is

chlorine exposure in swimming pools?

H let's find out. We don't know.

We're learning so much.

>> I love this there's a little science.

>> I feel like that's not that question is

going to get tossed around here by

perplexity because it could go multiple

ways with it. Like is there too much

chlorine? Like what are you know what I

mean,

>> right? Okay, let's say uh

is chlorine exposure in swimming pools a

health concern?

>> Yeah, that's good.

>> There we go. Let's try that.

I bet it is. I mean, it only makes

sense. I would like to study someone

like Michael Phelps, someone who spent

like

>> spent his life

>> thousands of hours in a pool. Whether or

not it's affected his body in any way,

>> whether or not there's like measurable

chlorine levels in his urine or what

have you. Chlorine in properly

maintained pools is generally considered

safe, but it can cause irritation of

eyes, skin, and airways. Well, that

can't be good. And heavily frequent

exposure, especially indoors, can

contribute to respiratory problems in

some people. What chlorine does in

pools, it kills germs like bacteria and

viruses in pools and is key for

preventing infections and diarrhea

illnesses from contaminated water.

Public health guidance typically

recommends free chlorine about 1 to four

parts per million with pH 7.0 to 7.8

within this range. Disinfect

disinfection is effective and side

effects are usually mild. Common

short-term effects irritation of eyes,

nose, throat, skin common when levels

are high when chloromines build up

especially in indoor pools. Chlorabines

form when chlorine reacts with sweat,

urine and other organic matter can

become airborne and irritate the

respiratory tract causing coughing,

wheezing or tight chest in some swimmers

and staff. Um

long-term regular heavy exposure in

indoors pool uh poorly ventilated pools

has been linked to increased respiratory

symptoms. Some studies suggest increased

asthma risk. Um okay, put this in as a

follow-up question.

uh is

exposure

to chlorine

through the skin.

>> H

responsible

for any health issues.

Let's just just through the skin. See if

there's any studies on that.

Chlorine getting into the body through

the intact skin from pool water does not

appear to cause systemic whole body

health problems and otherwise healthy

people. Its effects are almost entirely

local to the skin itself. What skin

exposure you actually does chlorine is

an irritant that strips the natural skin

oils disrupts the outer barrier leading

to dryness, tightness, itching. So put

about put this in. Um what exposure does

chlorine have to healthy skin flora?

Because healthy skin flora, you know, I

I do jiu-jitsu and um one of the things

that happens with jiu-jitsu is you get a

lot of skin diseases like you get

>> really

>> people get ringorm staff infections.

Well, you're getting scratched up a lot.

You're rolling around on the the mats

and if the mats are dirty

>> um and if it's just there's exposure to

it, you can have a problem. And then one

of the problems that people have is to

treat that they use antibacterial skin

soap. So what that does is it strips the

skin of all the healthy floor which

actually protects you.

>> Yeah.

>> The con the counter to that I always

bring this up. I have no affiliation

with this product but it's an excellent

product. It's called defense soap.

>> Defense soap is uh uh my friend Guy Sako

he invented it. He's a wrestling coach

and his it was a solution using healthy

things like uh tea tree oil, eucalyptus

in this soap that kills the bad bacteria

but does nothing to the healthy flora.

>> That's great.

>> Yes. So that's the only soap that I use.

>> Yeah.

>> Um chlorinated pool water does disturb

normal skin flora temporarily, but in

healthy people, the microbiome usually

recovers within hours to a day or so

after swimming. So that's a problem if

you swim every day. Then

>> chlorine is a broad disinfectant. So it

kills or suppresses both good and bad

bacteria on the skin surface. Yeah.

>> Reducing overall microbial

uh diversity right after swimming.

>> Experimental and field studies show that

even short exposure can cut measured

microbiome diversity marketkedly, often

cited around 30 to 40% with composition

shifting away from the usual dominant

groups right after a swim.

How long disruption lasts? After leaving

the pool, many of the resident species

begin to recolonize from deeper skin le

layers, uh hair follicles, and the

environment, and community composition

tends to drift backward towards baseline

over the next 24 plus hours. With

frequent repeated swimming, daily or

high volume training, the skin may be in

a more chronically perturbed state with

less time for full microbiome recovery

in between exposures.

Um, I know a lot of people have switched

their their pools over to saltwater

pools for this very reason. I think

there's a problem with saltwater pools

in very high temperature areas though

where it's not effective enough

>> to stop mold and all the junk.

>> Right. Right. Right.

>> Yeah.

>> Do you want to see these products I

brought?

>> I would love to see these products I

brought.

>> Here you go.

These are for cleaning up your

>> What's up, Jimmy?

>> A note on what you just said. A

saltwater pool is still technically a

chlorine pool.

>> Oh, still a chlorine pool. It just makes

the chlorine on site instead of pouring

it in. Oh

>> yeah.

>> Salt systems work. Pool is ordinary

salt, sodium chloride, dissolved in the

water, usually around 2,700 3,400 parts

per million, which is about onetenth the

salinity of the ocean and close to body

fluid levels. The water passes through

an electrically charged salt cell which

uses electrolysis to convert some of

that salt into active chlorine uh mainly

hypocchlorous

acid and sodium hypocchlorite

that sanitizes the pool. After chlorine

does its job, it ends up back as

chloride and the cycle repeats. So you

keep generating chlorine as long as the

system runs and there's enough salt.

What's different from your standard

chlorine pool, you still have free

chlorine in the water at typical pool

levels about one to four parts per

million. The difference is the source

salt generator versus liquid table

chlorine, not the sanitizer itself. Most

people find salt pools a bit gentler,

the water feels softer and continuous

low-level generation can mean uh fewer

chloromines,

the s less smell and irritation if the

system is sized and maintained

correctly.

Interesting. Okay, so it's still

chlorine, so it still probably disturbs

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Um, sealed. So, I should open it.

>> Should be open.

>> No, it's not sealed. Let's tight.

What do we got in here? A lot of stuff.

>> So, in the movie, you'll see that I came

to the homes of the participants with a

big box about this big.

>> Mhm.

>> So, this is obviously a very small part

of that.

>> Yeah. This is just part of your kitchen.

>> Bags that are safe. Oven, freezer,

microwave. It's called zip top.

>> Yeah. They're silicone. They're made of

silicone.

>> Okay. Yeah.

>> So, silicone's okay.

>> Silicone. That's there is um food grade

silicone.

>> Okay.

>> And that is um

>> like spatulas.

>> Yeah. And and there and food grade

silicone is free of phallites and

bisphenols. So Okay. You can use that.

>> Oh, this is a lot thicker. This is like

>> a lot thicker. Yeah.

>> Yeah.

>> And so this is reusable. Is that the

idea?

>> Absolutely. And you you just store your

put your food in the fridge in that

instead of in a

>> So you can buy these things.

this company Zip Top is do they make

them specifically for that reason?

>> Yeah, I'm sure. Yeah, there's one of

many companies that makes

>> So, this is essentially like a Ziploc

bag, but it's way thicker.

>> Yeah,

>> kind of cool. And so, they make these

larger as well, so you can

>> Okay.

>> There are a lot of good alternatives for

food storage. You know, glass, of

course, is really good.

>> Mhm. Um, and ceramic

>> seems so much better, too, because it's

not creating as much plastic waste since

it's reusable. Right

>> now, do you just run this through a

dishwasher?

>> Now, what about dishwashing solvents and

detergents and stuff like that?

>> Oh, yeah.

>> There's always problems.

>> Yeah.

>> World's filled with problems, Jamie.

>> The pods are probably not great.

>> Oh, right. Of course. Right.

>> Damn. Pods.

>> Pods. Tea bags. Coffee pods. Yeah.

>> Remember when kids were eating Tide

Pods?

>> It's like nature's trying to get rid of

some of the dummies.

>> Um, okay. So, this company,

>> I think there's two of those in there.

These are just little examples, you

know.

>> Let's give this company a shout out.

It's called uh Zip Top and uh I guess

they make them all sizes. This is like

sandwich size. Yeah.

>> This is I guess a snack size.

>> And they make them larger, too.

>> Yeah. And they seal well, you know.

Um, that's another question that I had

about sousi. Um, there's a lot of, uh,

people that cook their food in, uh,

these sousi machines.

>> Really?

>> That's very common.

>> Yeah.

>> I thought it was kind of high, you know,

>> kind of

>> in restaurants and stuff. Well, I mean,

I know there's consumer versions of it

that I know a lot of my friends use it.

>> Yeah. They they use it for wild game in

particular because you can slow cook. M

>> so one of the things about wild game it

has a very low fat content and a lot of

people find that it uh it's more tender

if you slowly cook. So let's say if you

like medium rare is like what is medium

rare like 135° I think.

>> So you what you would do is you would

take this uh piece of meat and you would

seal it up in a vacuum sealed container

and you dunk it in this sousi machine

and it keeps the water at 135°. You can

cook it for several hours at 135 and

then you sear the outside of it.

>> Nice. Yeah.

>> And so a lot of people like that and

it's really good for breaking down some

of the harder stuff like you know the

fascia and the

>> gristle. Yeah.

>> So is that stuff leaking chemicals into

your food? It has to be. Right.

>> Why?

>> Well, because it's in plastic. You're

getting these vacuum-sealed plastic bags

that the food goes in and you have you

seen how sousi works.

>> You have to put it in plastic.

>> Yes.

>> Have you seen how these sousi things?

>> No. Then it's bad. Then it sounds just

as bad as microwaving in plastic.

>> Right. So what you do with sousi is you

season the food and a lot of times

you'll add like olive oil and things

like that to the outside of it.

>> You couldn't make it out of silicone.

>> I I would imagine you could, right? I

don't know. Let's find that out. Has

anybody made uh siliconebased

sousvied bags? And do these sousie bags

leech chemicals?

>> I just saw a discussion on Reddit about

this, but they didn't really have an

answer. Like they're asking the

temperatures might not be high enough. I

don't know.

>> Yeah. What are the temperatures that

uh you need that start these chemicals

leeching into from the plastics into

your water? Because a lot of times they

say don't leave a a bottle of water in

your car.

>> That's right.

>> Because your car can get really hot. So

how hot's your car get? It doesn't get

that hot.

>> It doesn't get like cooking hot. So it's

like what is

>> But if the sousvid bags don't have

plasticizers in them

>> like if they're made of silicone, you

know, food based food, what is it?

>> Foodra silicone.

>> Yeah. Similar.

>> So it says we use vacuum sealed bags.

We're really going through them right

now. Even on early SUV, I tried silicone

reusable and I wasn't happy. I don't

really recall why. I think it was hard

to get stuff in without a mess. Okay,

that doesn't make any sense. Uh, just

deal with the mess. We made a switch to

vacuum bags. I love it, but oof, we use

a lot of bags.

Okay, put this into perplexity, please.

Um, do sousvie bags leech endocrine

disrupting chemicals into your food when

you cook with them? Let's try that.

Sweet. We're learning things.

>> Doesn't it Does it have to be vacuum

sealed? Probably, right? Because you

don't want water leaking in there.

>> Yeah. You don't want water leaking in

the one. I have a machine like and I use

this vacuum sealed machine like so. If I

get wild game and then I cut it up into

pieces and then I uh I seal it in these

vacuum sealed bags to freeze it. Um,

siliconebased sousvid bags are generally

considered safe for food use and do not

significantly leech significantly is a

weird word leech harmful chemicals under

typical cooking conditions. High quality

foodgrade silicone is inert BPA free

right

>> um this is silicone though

>> food grade silicone shows minimal

chemical migration such as silo

siloxanes

uh especially compared to plastics can

release microplastics like BPA um this

is a silicone though um when you what is

it what was the question that you asked

how' you phrase it

>> well you ask that you write silicone

vase bags. Just let's not silicone based

just like plastic sousvie bags.

>> Well, you know they're going to leak

stuff.

>> Let's find out. Regular plastic sousvie

bags.

Let's see what it says.

>> I don't know.

>> Right.

But I want to make sure it's vacuum

sealed sous bags.

>> It should note that we're talking about

sousvid bags here. Regular plastic bags

can be reasonably, I don't like that

word, safe for sousvi if you use the

right kind, food grade, BPA and phalate

free and rated for hot food. But all

plastics can leak some chemicals and the

data specific to SUV is still limited.

>> What regular bags are safe? Look for

bags made with uh polyethylene and or

polyropylene that are labeled food grade

and microwave safe. Is there a plastic

that's microwave safe though? Is that

real?

are these are

>> yeah these are considered safe with food

up to around 190 to 195 uh Fahrenheit.

Most brands zipper bags Ziplo GL glad

are polyethylene BPA and dioxinfree and

are commonly used for sousi at typical

temperatures below 176.

uh purpose-made vacuum sealer or boilin

sousvid pouches, that's what I use, are

specifically certified as food grade for

cooking and are the safest plastic

option if you want disposable. So, it

seems like it's reasonably safe to do

that. Mhm.

>> A review by Utah's Department of Health

notice, excuse me, notes that there's a

lack of studies directly measuring

chemical leeching from sousvie bags, but

recommends using FDA compliant BPA and

phalate free plastics, which are not

known for estrogen estrogenic activity

and are considered safe for food

contact.

Okay,

it says trout. See, it says there one

trout study found detectable BPA and

fish cooked. But the problem is food.

Like,

>> here's the problem. Freshwater lakes, if

you're catching a trout in a freshwater

lake, freshwater lakes have horrible

levels of these chemicals in them. And

most people do not recommend eating food

from freshwater lakes, which is so

crazy. You think, "Oh, I'm going to go

catch a fish from a lake. This is going

to be really healthy. It's right from

nature." Uh-uh. No. We've ruined lakes.

>> Yeah. What? Like, what is the issue? Put

this in. What is the issue with eating

fish from freshwater lakes in America?

What are the health issues?

>> Health issues. Yeah. eating fish from

freshwater lakes in America. We've

looked this up before. It's kind of

stunning how much chemicals you get from

a single fish that you would catch. So,

if you catch a trout from, you know, a

regular lake, you go to a lake, looks

clean, I can see the bottom,

everything's fine. No, it's bad for you.

In fact, I know a guy who uh is friends

with someone who does a lot of fishing

tournaments. So he goes to these fishing

tournaments, catches a lot of fish, he

eats a lot of fish, obviously he got

horribly, horribly sick because of heavy

metal poisoning. And

>> isn't that terrible?

>> Crazy. You think you're eating fresh

fish that you've caught yourself, it's

got to be good, right?

>> It's got to be bad for the fish.

>> Eating us freshwater fish can expose you

to chemical contaminants like mercury

and PAS. Um, and if eaten undercooked or

raw, parasites and some bacteria. Most

people can still eat freshwater fish

safely if they follow local advisories

and avoid high risk groups, pregnant

people, young children, eating too much.

Main chemical risks, mercury, um, methyl

mercury. Nearly all wild fish contain

some mercury, but levels in many US

freshwater fish can be high enough to

harm a fetus or a young child's

developing brain and nervous system if

eat often. That's crazy. PAS forever

chemicals. Many US freshwater fish have

measurable PAS and in some studies show

widespread PAS plus mercury and fish

tissue at levels that pose health risk

for frequent consumers. PAS exposure has

been linked to changes in liver and

kidney function, cholesterol, immune

response, pregnancy complications, and

increased risk of certain cancers.

>> I don't know why they haven't mentioned

autoimmune immune resp Oh, they do say

immune immune response. Yes. Yeah.

Immune response.

>> Yeah. This guy in in Denmark studied

people on the Pharaoh Islands, which

they all eat fish. They catch them, you

know, the Pharaoh Islands and they catch

them there. And so he looked at the

levels of Pifos.

>> And then he looked at their um antibbody

response to vaccination.

>> Oh,

>> down. And and so think of what that

means in you know like it's time of

COVID or whatever. I want to do an

intervention where we take kids who are

getting

PIOS free school uniforms. Remember I

told you POS was in school uniforms

>> and then when they come in at age six

for their first, you know, grade, they

will have just had their booster. So

then we could get their blood and see if

the booster, you know, antibbody levels

were lower in the kids that had the POS

uniforms versus the clean uniform

>> booster for which vaccines?

>> Um,

MS Protessus um the MM MMP I think it's

called. Okay. Yeah. Yeah.

>> And so it's lower. It's a lower response

if your body's been exposed to these

chemicals. So you would imagine even if

you're not you just lower response

period to all immune function

>> based on this.

>> Right. Right.

>> Yeah.

>> What is these these things?

>> Lofamits. So you can use them to to

scrub the your sink and or your face.

>> Use them in the shower.

>> Yeah. Or in the shower.

>> But you should use those for your

>> But the the sponges that you most people

use have a lot of chemicals in them.

>> Of course. Makes sense.

>> So these are better.

>> Yeah. They're plastic sponges and you

get them in hot water and you're

scrubbing things and

>> some of the stuff probably gets in your

plates and your food and your

>> your cooking.

>> Good.

>> What else we got here?

>> Bees wrap.

>> That's really nice stuff.

>> What is this stuff?

>> It actually you can treat a that this is

some kind of paper that's been treated

with beeswax. So nothing dirty there.

And take it out. You'll see how nice it

is. Okay.

I love this stuff. I have a lot of it

>> because it seals.

>> Feel the wax.

>> That's the wax.

>> Waxes. Oh, okay. So, you use that to

wrap your your food with.

>> Yeah. And And it seals on itself

>> and you just rinse it out afterwards.

>> So, you don't have to use saran wrap and

you know, all these.

>> It does seal on itself. It seems like it

form fits around things.

>> You can put it on an egg or tomato or

anything. Well, with my friend Philip, I

guarantee he eats a lot of sushi. He

runs a sushi place. And if you ever go

to a sushi place, all the fish is

wrapped in plastic.

>> Yeah.

>> They're always wrapped in plastic and

>> then they cut it open. And so the