I think ML is a very shallow [music]

domain relative to math. I think in math

there's much more of a you find some

true deep abstraction. If you really

understand that thing, which is hard

[music] to understand, then you get

somewhere. Whereas I feel like the

things that are the equivalent of that

in ML are really like dumb

Like I'm like scaling laws. Like come on

guys, we can explain scaling laws really

quickly. And I think the like deepest

and most important concepts in [music]

math, for example, don't have the

property of like you can really

understand the underlying thing and why

it matters in a very short period of

time.