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>> We can literally What are you doing?

>> What do you mean?

>> Your face is I have carrois saroma.

>> Oh, I didn't know.

>> Yeah. No, I I just wanted to have a fun

look. It's my 10th time.

>> And what is a likenstein? Is that what

you said?

>> Roy Likenstein.

>> Who's that?

>> He's the

>> Do you know who it is?

>> Yeah.

>> You know the pictures. Pull up Drowning

Girl. Jamie, pull it up. I get to say

it. This guy

>> He's a comic book artist.

>> No, he's a

>> pop artist. He drew comic books into

paintings in the 60s.

>> You've seen his stuff.

>> Oh, I'm sure. Yeah, I have now.

>> I've seen them in memes.

>> Exactly.

>> Like like a man backhanding a woman.

>> No,

>> no, that's not the meme.

>> No,

>> no,

>> no. Well, he's stepping on her hand

right there.

>> That's That's his It's a guy's hand.

>> Oh, it's a guy's hand. Cop, I think.

>> Feminine man.

>> Oh, Jeff. I love you, too. But okay. The

dots. I get it.

>> This was a lot of Yeah. What I wanted to

do, which I couldn't do, I wanted to do

an uncanny valley look.

>> And look like a mannequin with like

lifeless eyes and and like kind of like

Lex, right? But that was a lot of money.

>> Like CGI from 10 years ago.

>> Yes. Or like Yeah. So, I just went with

this.

>> Okay. I was on I was on

No, no, no, no. This is I I was on

Jordan's show last January 6th and I had

the QAnon shaman paint my face with his

look and I had a Russian fur hat and I

had the boots and everything and Jordan

Peterson had to sit and talk to me for

three hours looking like a complete

mental patient. And you you're going to

forget in a couple minutes, you know,

when someone's looking like this. But

for anyone tuning in, it's just like and

especially the clips go wide,

>> it it's a lot of fun.

>> Oh, I know. I've done dozens of podcasts

with Duncan where like clowns and

>> fries. Why are they dressed like

astronauts?

>> Yeah. I think the internet it's it's

going in a

>> Yeah. Wait, isn't it saying like the

face of evil? There's one that's Yeah.

The psychology of pure evil. Michael

Malice.

>> Uh, how is Jordan doing? Is he okay? I

think he's doing better. I just talked

to Michaela a couple of days ago. Um I

think he's out of the woods. I don't

know how much I'm allowed to say. Uh or

what's my

>> What happened to him?

>> I don't really know. Um I think you'd

have to talk to her. This is really

something I don't uh I don't know what

I'm supposed to

>> He just keeps going through this series

of ongoing health crisises.

>> Yeah. And it's very What's what bothers

me a lot is how much glee people seem to

have with this. And and I think uh it's

like I was just saying a second ago, I

think the internet's going in a dark

place. And

>> people people are going in a dark place.

The internet's leading them there, but

it's people.

>> Well, I think it's like a snake eating

its own tail. Don't you think? I think

and and when AI starts validating, you

know, your preconceptions. I'm I I am

very scared about the near future.

>> I'm very scared, too, because so many

people are so easily led and so prone to

whatever the ideology is at the moment,

just full full scale adopting it. I was

on Gutfeld a couple months ago and they

were talking about how Sam Alman said

chat GPT is going to have erotica now

and everyone's like well what's erotica

they're making jokes and I go listen I

said not that long ago um John Hinckley

shot in 1981 he shot President Reagan

because he thought Jodie Foster was

going to fall in love with him you know

thereby turning her away from men

forever right and I said what happens

when Chad GPT you really hate Trump but

you really hate Joe Rogan or you really

hate Fouchy or Kla Harris and your AI

friend is jinninging you up being like,

"Yeah, they're terrible. Do

>> like there's 350 million people. You're

saying out of those 350 aren't going to

try to do something,

>> right? I mean, they've already had Chad

GPT talk people into killing

themselves."

>> I know. I know. And that's

>> whether it's Chad GPT or whatever AI

language model.

>> Yeah, I am. And I don't see any breaks

on this and it's happening I think

faster than we can. You know, the whole

point of the paleo diet, not the whole

point, but a large part of the paleo

lifestyle is, you know, our biology has

not kept up with our technology, right?

And that kind of makes sense in a food

thing. Push comes to shove, processed

food, you should avoid whole food,

natural food is probably better for you.

That's just a good uristic for anyone.

But when you're talking about the mind,

you know, I people argue are human

beings basically good, human beings

basically bad. And I think human beings

are basically animals and animals can be

enormously collaborative and wonderful

and work together even across species.

You see these videos of like a you know

a dog saving a cow or whatever it is.

>> But animals are also I don't need to

tell you you know there's that chimp in

all of us.

>> Yeah.

>> And when that mob starts fmenting like

people want blood and and they love it.

>> Yeah. You also get all this powerful

reinforcement from other people in the

group that tell you that you're doing

the right thing and they support you and

>> and and if you the thing with the

Epstein stuff online is just really kind

of like I remember five minutes ago

right for the for the the blue pill

people on CO if you don't care about

COVID as much as I do and if you aren't

informed as CO as much as I am you want

to kill grandma right like that's you're

told this explicitly

>> your kids should be taken away from you

should be banned from society,

>> right? And and my buddy Lup Perez, who's

a great comic, he had a great tweet. He

goes, "If you don't have COVID, you

can't spread COVID. I can't give it to

you just because I'm a bad person."

Right? But that was the mindset. And now

there's so much. There's what 300 3

million Epstein docs. If you are not as

invested as some people, you are a kid

toucher. You're covering for them. You

want this to happen. You're complicit

retroactly somehow.

>> Yeah.

>> And I can't make heads or tails of it. I

had Lucowski on my show who's been a

conspiracy, I'm not saying the negative

way, conspiracy guy for a very long

time. He's worked with Alex. He broke it

down. Then I had Michael Tracy on my

show and he said, "Look, a lot of this

hysteria. I don't know who is right, who

is wrong, but if I have any kind of

skepticism, I am somehow wanting

children to be abused. It's it's

insane."

>> Well, it's also it's like so much of it

is cryptic. Like we don't necessarily

understand what they were talking about,

>> right? And if you say like, "What's beef

jerky?" If it's, here's the thing, it's

obviously kids. It's not just that it

might be kids or probably. It's obvious.

And if you're denying that jerky is

obviously kids, you're denying that

people are children. I'm not denying

people children. I'm just saying, "What

if it's heroin? What if it's weapon?" I

don't I haven't read all those emails,

but the idea that it's definitely

literally infants, it seems like I want

to see some receipts.

>> Yeah, it could be many things. I mean it

it certainly is a code which right

indicates at least to me that they were

doing something they didn't want people

to know about.

>> And I remember with the Pizzagate stuff

I talked about this in my book and

you're right I had to get through this

through the legal cuz there was an email

where it's like oh the the maps or the

flags are really angry today. So they're

obviously not talking about maps or

flags. It was obviously about something.

We don't know what. But to pretend that

there was nothing there is also

disingenuous. They're it's clearly code.

But how do we know eating is not code?

Also, like eating jerky could be like

beating off, right? Or it could be

killing someone.

>> But the idea that No, the eating part is

true. The jerky part is kids.

>> I I I And frankly, what bothers me is

don't you want to hope that they're not

eating kids?

>> Yeah. Well, it's like people just want

to know and if they already were and

have been doing it for a long time that

seemed outrageous before a gigantic ring

was exposed where there really was a sex

trafficker who was compromising people

and really was doing it at the behest of

at least an intelligence agency whether

it's ours or the Israelis or whoever it

is

>> or the Russians.

>> A lot of people want to say it's the

Russians. Is there any validity to the

Russians?

>> I have no idea. The reason I said the

Russians is because I was on Drudge and

the headline was Epstein was Russian

operative. So it was presented on

Drudge. Don't take my word for it as oh

there's the receipts. This is why I'm

saying there's there there's MSAD

connections with him obviously,

especially through Gelain. CIA is a

no-brainer because why didn't they bag

this guy for years, right? I'm I talked

to Kurt Netzer about this and uh broadly

speaking and he makes the point like

these are all interconnected. this idea

that we're going to separate out like

the CIA from MI6 is they're buddies with

each other and and frankly that's in

many cases a good thing. You want to be

working with other countries if you have

international trafficking or or

terrorism or crimes but I don't know we

don't I I can't even finish the

sentence.

>> Right. Right. No, that's but you're

honest. That's why. Now the Russian

thing, is there anything that makes

sense to you to that? What did new

documents show Justice Department

documents mentioned Russia thousands of

times and Vladimir Putin over a a

thousand times reflecting extensive

Russia related communications and

contacts in Epstein's network. Emails,

travel records indicate, okay, so

there's real something to it.

>> Epste made multiple trips to Russia,

obtained business visas, had scouts

there recruiting young Russian women for

him. Of course, similar to his

operations elsewhere, the files describe

Epstein cultivating ties with Russian

political and business elites, acting as

a facilitator in deals and

introductions, not just sexual

encounters. Epstein repeatedly sought a

meeting or back channel communications

with President Vladimir Putin, at times

suggesting he had advice or insight to

offer about dealing with Donald Trump.

He had documented ties to at least one

former Russian official with a

background in the FSB

whom he used to gather information on a

woman he claimed was trying to extort

his business partners.

>> Well, for sure you're going to have

that. You got a bunch of Russian hookers

that you're bringing over there. Some of

them are going to try to explog.

The KGB for decades, for like almost a

century, was blackmailing Americans.

This is one of the big reasons why you

couldn't be uh there were restrictions

against gays because if you were gay at

a time when it was socially unacceptable

and the Russians found out about it,

they flipped you cuz they would sit you

down and they'd be like, "Look, we know

we're going to out you or you're going

to play ball." And in those situations,

you're going to play ball. This is a

huge scandal for a long time.

>> And that's a big There's a lot there's a

large percentage I don't know what the

population is of these undercover gay

politicians.

>> Oh. Oh, yeah. How many politicians? I

mean the bureaucrats like people working

for Johnson and and FDR this was a thing

and they would know

>> and they would they would they would

have honeypotss.

>> Mhm.

>> It wouldn't be hard at that time,

>> right? And for men, it's so easy to get

us.

>> Like God, it must be hard to get women.

Yeah. How would you blackmail a woman? I

mean, well, how do you trick them into

some guy they shouldn't be

And why would anybody care?

See, no one cares. Like if a woman has

an affair on her husband and has sex

with some hot guy on an island,

everybody's like, "You go, girl." Yeah,

Stella got her groove back.

>> Yeah, Stella got her groove back.

>> How would you How would you Yeah. How

would if I wanted Okay, let's let's

let's walk through this. If there's a

CIA lady and I want to flip her, right?

>> How do I

>> You got to get her to fall in love with

you.

>> No. Or you got to get her husband to

cheat

>> or go threaten her kids. You got to

threaten her kids. Threaten the kids.

But that's a hard one.

>> But that's a different thing than

getting her to do something that she

shouldn't have done out of lust.

>> How do you black Yeah. How do you

blackmail a woman?

>> Yeah. You don't don't have a That's

probably why a lot of women aren't in

trouble.

>> What? Why? They are in trouble.

>> Aren't.

>> Yeah, they aren't. Yeah.

>> Right. Because like I would imagine you

would want them too. There's plenty of

women politicians you'd want to

compromise. I mean, they did get Stacy

Plask. She was cooperating with Epstein

going back and forth during Trump's

administration.

>> Did you see also Kristen Cinema that

lawsuit?

>> Oh, no, no, no. I didn't see.

>> So, she was the senator from Arizona.

She was a centrist and of course they

ran her out of town

>> and she uh broke up a marriage basically

and in North or South Carolina where

she's being sued, you can be liable for

damages if you're like the side piece.

>> Oh, I've seen that.

>> And in the lawsuit, it's

>> that's a crazy law.

>> I know.

>> That's a ass law.

>> And you're suing a senator. And the

thing and I believe the the filing

completely because the filing said he

had PTSD so she was offering to give him

psychedelics to to help him heal which

I'm sure she did.

>> Uh and basically they just start a

relationship. He left the wife and it's

like this is unfortunate but it happens

but she's facing damages now.

>> That's so wild that that's a law. Yeah.

>> Like what if the person was on the way

out anyway?

>> Well, that's his argument. I'm sure.

>> Yeah. I'm sure.

>> No, but the case Oh, no. We were a

loving couple. We never had any

problems. Then cinema shows up and now

look at me. But

>> how is that not the man's fault?

>> I don't I don't I think it's probably

both.

>> Well, I know. Is No, he's she's suing

Cinema. She's not suing the guy, I don't

think.

>> That's so crazy.

>> Yeah.

>> What a stupid law. What? I don't

know. North or South Carolina.

>> H there's some of them old school laws

that are so dumb. How is that a law that

people have to be together? Like people

change their minds on people all the

time. They don't want to be with someone

anymore. You meet someone you really

like and you go, I don't I can't imagine

living the rest of my life without this

person and I've been trapped in this

horrible marriage. I'm out. And

then that person gets sued. She had some

other funny thing about like No, the guy

texted her like I think it was the

military and she writes back only the

hot ones. It So there's like So she got

all the texts out of his phone.

>> That's funny.

>> It's funny. It's a joke, right? But I

also it's it's like I think it's when

the feminists talk about the kind of

misogyny here. I think there is a bit of

misogyny that you're blaming the woman

and you're not blaming the guy.

>> Oh yeah. For that like the suit the

lawsuit. That's crazy. That is such a

ass lawsuit. North Carolina is one

of a handful of states that allow jilted

spouses sue for alienation of affection

to seek damages from a third party

responsible for the breakup of their

marriage. You should only be able to pay

them in tissues.

You should pay them in just crates and

crates of tissues. Oh, you get $500,000

worth of tissues.

>> It's I I

>> just bring up semis filled with

tissues.

>> I just think it's so it's so um

salacious and we shouldn't need to know

this.

>> Well, even if we do know it, the law

itself is preposterous.

>> Alienation of affection. Well, how

people decide they don't like people all

the time. That's why divorce exists.

>> Yes. And one of the reasons divorce

exists because people find someone they

like more and they go, "Oh, I up.

I have to get out of this marriage. I'm

in love with this other person."

>> And you don't always have to get

divorced. There's plenty of marriages

that survive like this.

>> Yeah, that's true, too.

>> So I What's the counter that you,

you're a Like he doesn't like you

anymore.

>> But the lawsuit thing is currently you

can get money for that. Kristen Cinema

has to pay this lady money cuz she I

think it's I think she's suing for a

lot.

>> How much

>> do you know what the damages are, Jamie?

Well, you go high just to settle.

>> Yeah, but the fact that the there's no

se I don't know what the ceiling is. I'm

not an North Carolina attorney, but it's

not cheap.

>> It's like I think the ho the side piece

is Oh, the She's not a hoe. She's

basically paying the wife alimony.

>> Oh my god. It's real money.

>> Yeah, it's no joke. Does it say

>> who would

>> $75,000 in damages?

>> That's it.

>> Yeah. Also, uh

>> she gave $9,000 to a man she's accused

of. Well, if it's 75 grand, she would

have paid it to shut her up.

>> Maybe she just doesn't want to out of

principle.

>> I Let me see.

>> It's got to be more than 75 grand.

There's no way you're a senator. You're

just going to

>> Maybe this is

>> Maybe because most people have the

reaction that we're having.

>> Like no one's outraged. No one's angry.

I yeah I think the response is that

>> oh that's

>> yeah she's alienation of affection

nicknamed the home wrecker law and is

seeking $75,000 in damages per her

lawyers. She argued that a complaintant

uh in a complaint that Cinema engaged in

numerous unlawful acts with her

ex-husband, including but not limited to

having conversations with him, that's

unlawful,

meeting him under emotionally and

physically, romantic, and sexual

circumstances,

having sexual encounters with him, and

encouraging him to leave his wife. They

she took him to some concert together. I

think it was like like

>> they said they went to a bunch of

concert.

>> They went to Copa. I think it was it was

like date night green day, a bunch of

stuff.

>> Yeah. Well, is that a physically

romantic and sexual encounter? Is that

what that is?

>> Well, I think it's romantic. Take a

>> Put that back up, please.

>> I was going to those concerts.

>> I mean, the lawsuit alleges that in the

fall of 2023, when Cinema's then head of

security resigned, the head disclosed to

Matthew AL concerns that Cinema was

having sexual relation, what a ass

security guard. Uh, sexual relations

with other security members. The

security head urged Matthew Amill to

leave, but Am refused. side of the job's

financial.

>> I love the idea like you don't want this

gig, she she'll you.

>> She's her security guard.

>> Yeah, more power to her.

>> She's a wild

>> While on the job, Matthew Amill had at

one point informed his ex-wife,

according to her complaint, that should

he and Cinema be together on a work trip

to Napa Valley, California, it would

have appeared as if they were on a

romantic getaway. Huh.

Uh 2024, Heather Aml discovered that

Cinema frequently messaged her

ex-husband on Signal, which included a

picture of the former senator wrapped in

a towel and a suggestion that he bring

MDMA. Yeah, let's go Kristen. The drug

commonly known as Molly or Ecstasy to a

rope work trip so that Cinema could

guide him through a psychedelic

experience. Wink wink. In March of 2024,

Matthew Emil informed his then ex his

then wife that while he was serving as

cinema security at an event the former

senator was having getting handsy and

that she held his hand and touched him.

According to the complaint, Matthew Am

expressed that he didn't know how to get

out of the situation without offending

cinema.

>> She was also the first bisexual member

of the Senate ever.

>> What a good kid.

>> So, you know she's a freak.

>> What a good kid. Molly towels pictures.

She's got my vote.

>> I'm I'm vote for again. She should run

for president.

>> She cinema for president.

>> Let's go, Cinema. Come on. She's a

centrist. That's what America needs. You

want a women president?

>> Let's go. Let's get a freak in the

office.

>> Uh we have a freak in the office.

>> He struggled to admit the a to the

affair, the complaint says, but

expressed that he wanted a divorce.

>> Oh, he struggled to admit to the affair,

but expressed that he wanted a divorce.

After a November work trip, Heather and

Matthew Amill separated. Her complaint

alleges that her ex-husband and Cinema

remain romantically involved. Cinema and

Matthew Amill both appeared at a forum

in October. Um, are they still together?

>> I don't.

>> Those don't last.

>> It's only six states.

>> Chicks get bored once they win. Once

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>> She the the security guard said

explicitly. She's boning all the

security guards. It's like it's like you

know she's going through that.

>> She's a freak.

>> Yeah. More power to her.

>> Yeah. Like look, we uh we don't have any

problem with men that do that.

>> I think we do.

>> Well, we do now.

>> Some people do. I don't.

>> There's two types of people that want to

be leaders.

>> War mongers and hounds. I prefer

the hounds. Don't leave your wife

alone with them. But I prefer them

because at least they're just trying to

get sex. They're not trying to blow up

the world and conquer and like they want

to be Genghask Khan. Well, actually,

>> is it your position that Lindsy Gro is

not a hound? Is that

>> It is my position that Lindsey Graham is

allergic to

>> Yeah. Wait, are they

>> They asked him if you know he was going

to run for president. You know, he's

single. Yeah, but he's single. Yeah. And

uh you know what about a first lady?

He's like, "Maybe I'll have a bunch of

first ladies."

>> Oh my. Did he say that?

>> He said something along those lines.

>> I remember.

>> Which is never something a man would say

who's into women.

>> Barbara Mckowski, uh, who was this

senator from Maryland for many years,

who was like 411 hobbit creature,

clearly gay, more, no disrespect to her,

she was asked about it and she turns to

the guy next to her, is like, "Hey,

good-looking." It was something like

that. It was so cringe and awkward.

Yeah. So, what did Lindsey Graham say

about uh having many first ladies?

>> Oh my god.

>> Said have it he mentioned his sister as

someone who could fill in for the role.

It says,

>> "Oh, okay.

>> He would have a ro quote rotating first

lady

>> because like what Dolly Madison did that

like there was one of the first early

founding fathers was a widowerower. So

the daughter

>> his sister first and then rotating first

lady." What year was this when he was

running?

>> 2015.

>> Yeah. Hey,

>> do you remember the thing I remember

about his campaign is Trump had a rally

and he gave out Lindsey Graham's phone

number, right? He did. Oh, you don't

remember this? So, this is the best

part. No, no, this this is so insane.

So, Trump is like, cuz Lindsay would

call him for campaign donations and and

Trump's like, "If you guys don't agree,

let's give him a call." He holds up the

page, goes, "Uh, 345 blah blah blah."

And Lindsay, yeah,

look at that face. Look at HIS FACE.

WHAT? WHAT IS THIS WORLD we're living

in?

>> No, no, no. But hold on, it gets even

better. So Lindsay, like, how do I

reclaim the narrative? Lindsay filmed a

video of him taking his phone and

breaking with the hammer. And I'm like,

but you still have the same number. You

just broke your own phone. You're not

trolling Trump at all. It's like, if I

>> You just broke a device. You could have

gone to Verizon and had your number

switched. You my license plate and

I wrecked my own car. I'm not trolling

you. I'm trolling me. I'm like, does no

one realize this? Doesn't make any

sense. It was so crazy.

>> Everyone's so performative.

>> Is there someone who's a wararmonger?

Well, Bill Putin's a hand.

>> Is he though?

>> I Yeah. Did you not

>> He's more of a wararmonger,

>> but he's both. Did you not see Topless

Girls?

>> Oh, really?

>> There he was.

>> Here he goes. He's throwing it in the

blender.

>> Oh my gosh.

>> He's hitting it with a hammer, a golf

ball. Oh, lightning on fire.

>> Oh, let me see that swing.

>> Let me see that bad show. He put Red

Bull in with the phone. What's that

about?

>> I think it's gas lighter fluid. No,

>> he didn't even get to

>> Oh, it is Red Bull. Why is it Red Bull?

>> He hit it with a golf swing. He lit it

on fire. Like, this is so cringe.

>> But it doesn't make any sense.

>> Put it in a

>> bagel oven.

Is that pizza bagels?

>> Oh my god. What's wrong with this dude?

>> But your number's the same.

>> What a silly That's back in the

old footphone days, too.

>> Yeah. 2015.

Wow. He was still rocking a flip phone

back then. No iPhone.

>> People are rocking them now again

because of uh surveillance things. My

friend Dave has one.

>> Does a flip phone help you?

>> I think so.

>> How so?

>> I don't know. I'd have to ask Dave.

>> You can still get all those textbooks.

>> I think the Oh, cuz the people No, I

think you're spending less time on the

internet.

>> That's true. Yeah, but you could also

just spend less time on the internet.

>> Yes, that is also an option. I think

that's a healthy option. I think

>> you could do it. Do you know what I

here? I want to hear your thoughts on

this.

>> So during co there was a huge

uh amount of time that everyone's

spending online. Everyone's obsessing

about co we're all everyone's constantly

agitated

>> and my concern is

>> that these social med Mark Zuckerberg's

job is to keep you on Facebook as much

as possible, right?

>> All that data that they had during co is

still there, right? And I think all

these social media companies are still

keeping us in a constant state of

agitation. So you're stuck watching

these screens and it's really doing harm

and it's not getting better.

>> That's a fact.

>> Okay. Yeah.

>> Yeah, that's a fact. Well, isn't he

testifying? They're they're testifying

soon uh about whether or not they set up

their algorithms to harm children. They

set up their al algorithms to addict

children to uh their social media

platforms.

>> Well, you remember Elsagate?

>> Elsagate? Yeah.

>> Yeah. That was the whole thing.

>> Yeah. Explain that to people.

>> Well, Elsagate was this I I still don't

think we have an answer. People made

these They don't even know where it came

from up in overseas. There are these

bizarre YouTube videos with millions of

views where it would be like the Hulk

but he's like sniffing kids feet and

Elsa's just doing like putting in a cage

like bizarre things that is kind of

sexual but not really and you don't know

what the purpose is but because they

were like gaming the algorithm you know

YouTube this Trump got in trouble with

this when Trump was sharing that video

the very end of it went to a Lion King

video making fun of the Democrats.

There's that one of the as apes from the

beginning. They cut there and it looked

like he was sharing that. It was just

the next video that was queued up and it

looks like Trump shar video of the

Obamas as apes on purpose.

>> Well, they were all in it in the same

video, but it was like Hillary was a

wartthog. Obama or Biden was also an ape

and he was eating a banana.

>> Pritsker was the king and and Trump came

out as a lion,

>> right? But the point is I think what he

posted he posted only the first second.

>> I don't think he posted it.

>> Yes, he did. is I thought it was an

intern.

>> Well, the point I mean it's from his

account.

>> Well, someone reposted it, right? Right.

That's what it was.

>> No, he reposted somebody else.

>> I think his his is

>> intern. But the point is anyway with

Elsagate, kids start watching one video

and the algorithm just snags them and 1

hour later they're watching completely

deranged stuff. The Elsagate thing was

weird too because a lot of it was like

old cartoons and uh what people were

saying is that if your child like say if

you give your child an an iPad and it

goes from one YouTube video to the next

and then show suggest those got lumped

in there and you would click on it and

it was all a sudden like

>> someone would get a bottle broken over

their head. There'd be blood everywhere.

It was really weird,

>> right? And it's

>> and it's like a Mickey Mouse cartoon

>> and there was no utility to this.

>> Are those still available? I'm looking

at the Wikipedia says it's kind of it's

continued but it's switched from like

the it's whatever's popular at the time

for kids. So back then it was Frozen or

whatever and now it's like Minecraft.

>> What are they doing though? Like why why

are they sense

>> like what why would they have these

cartoon characters get hit over the head

with bottles and cuz you remember that

one like a lot of them they would get

drunk and fall and break their head on a

countertop or something

>> or they'd be covered I think this was

another one they were covered in dots

for no reason. I'm like I'm not even

kidding. It was just like, "What is

going on?" Or they're eating weird

stuff.

>> So, does YouTube remove those videos?

Because there's plenty of violent videos

on YouTube. Like, is it because they're

Or do do they put like an age

restriction on them?

>> I don't think they did because what's

the age restriction? There's nothing

sexual. There's nothing

>> Well, violence.

>> But some of them were just weird.

>> Yeah. Some of them were just

>> like lots of shots of feet.

>> Was And there was all There was a lot of

ones where kids got left alone with

creeps. Yeah.

>> Yeah.

>> Cartoons.

>> Very strange.

>> There's also live action stuff.

>> Oh, really?

>> Yes. And it's just like who are these

people filming this? And for what? I saw

another one. There was this channel

which has millions of views for each

video. And it's things like turtles

vomiting up fish like dead fish like

live action or dead fish coming from the

ground as if it's it's I I don't

understand what the point of this is. Do

you remember um during Benghazi they

tried to blame the attack

>> on this video?

>> Oh my god.

>> You remember that?

>> Of course.

>> That was the the propaganda was that

there was some video that no one had

seen,

>> right?

>> Like some terrible video.

>> Some really that got everyone all riled

up, right?

>> Yeah. That got the Muslims riled up and

that's why they attacked.

>> And there was also Well, she was also

blaming the 2016 election on ads on the

dark web. It's like how many people on

the dark web? Do you even know what it

is? What are you talking about?

>> Ads on the dark web flip the election.

That's hilarious.

>> That's insane.

>> 50 incelss,

>> right?

>> In a chat room. Like, but that's that

was she says this all the time, Hillary,

to this day.

>> Well, she just says it, you know, like

she doesn't have to be credible anymore.

It's like we just assume we just know

that that kind of communic like if

you're having a one-on-one conversation

with her just privately and she started

talking like that, you'd be like, "What

are you talking about? This doesn't make

any sense. Do you really believe that

when

>> she got clowned in Europe this week?

>> I did with the Czechoslovakian guy.

>> Yeah.

>> Yeah.

>> It was funny.

>> It was very funny.

>> But the way she was interrupting too,

you you want women to have their rights

taken away. Like what? That's not what

he's saying. He's literally talking

about all this crazy these gender

transitions and people were really like

they'd had enough with the immigration.

People had had enough. You don't you're

pretending that's not real. Like this

way forward. Like if the Democrats want

to have a way forward where they connect

with people, you got to admit that

there's some reason why people were

responding the way they did to a

open border to men playing in women's

sports to all this G gender

transitions of children. Like people

were freaked out. And not just

Republicans. A lot of people.

>> Yeah. Karen's a swing voter. Karen

doesn't like this kind of stuff.

>> Yeah.

>> Uh I don't know if you saw Did you see

Nancy Pelosy's retirement video?

>> No. Well, you laugh, but you Nancy

Pelosi is probably the smartest

politician in Washington in terms of

being crafty. Like, she knows how to

get a bill passed. She knows how

to make people walk the plank. So, she's

retiring from Congress this year. She

had this 10-minute long video about, you

know, saying goodbye to San Francisco.

10 minutes. She talks about AIDS at

length, right? Uh because obviously it

affected San Francisco. Doesn't mention

the word gay once, even in the context

of AIDS. Doesn't mention LGBT. Doesn't

mention black people, people of color.

She mentions how much she loves going to

church. St. Thomas of Aisi and Veterans

Day. So I'm like, she knows what you're

saying. You got to pivot and start

talking to people about pocketbook

stuff. But then Gavin Newsome recently d

undid his, you know, he backtracked with

Charlie Kirk when he's just like, yeah,

I know about about uh men and women's

sports and now he's doubling down on

trans kids, which is

>> Is he really?

>> Oh yeah, he just started doubling down.

>> God, how does he think that that's going

to work now?

>> I think he thinks he's got to get

through that primary,

>> right? But do you does he not know that

people are done?

>> No, cuz I'm sure he has better polling

than you or I. And I'm sure

>> maybe I'm just naive about California.

>> Well, it's not California. It's the

Democratic base who's going to vote for

him.

>> You know, he's also killed his mom.

>> What?

>> Yeah, he's he did a sister and his mom.

He bragged about it to the Washington

Post.

>> You didn't know this?

>> No. What was wrong with his mom, though?

I I'm sure it was something awful, but

when I have when I have a hear a

politician talking about something that

personal that publicly, I am not going

to look at it through a positive vein.

And this made stuff is in 14 states now.

Do you know this?

>> Yeah. Well, in Canada, it's off the

hook.

>> You know, Kelsey Sharon, I've been

talking to her about this. She

completely blew my mind. So, first it

used to be because it's always a um Oh,

yeah. 55

long battle with breast cancer, deeply

personal event. and he is described as a

complex experience involving assisted

suicide. The Washington report

Washington Post report and his memoir

expressed deep grief and remorse

regarding her death.

>> Remorse is a very dark word in this

context.

>> He was 34 and a San Francisco supervisor

at the time.

Yeah. But maybe it was his mom's

decision and he helped her. Look, if

you're dying of terminal cancer and your

body's rotting out, I feel like just

like you put a dog down, like there

there's times where I think assisted

suicide is probably a good option if

there's no hope and you're just going to

be in agony for months.

>> And there's times where people have

gender dysphoria and it's a good thing,

>> right? That was different.

>> Hold on. It's not My point is people

like Blair White, Brianna Woo, you know,

they have gender dysphoria. It's

perfectly appropriate to call them. they

they you know it's otherwise very

disturbing. Five minutes later, once it

becomes a political issue, it's anyone

who just puts on a dress. Right?

>> So, the point that's that Kelsey has

been going on with Canada is now they're

going after people who are depressed.

They're going at people who are

disabled. They're going after kids. And

the darkest thing that's happening over

there, which they're importing here, is

the old people are extremely expensive

for the system, right? If you have

socialized health care, I don't know

what the number is, a huge number.

Towards the end of your life, you're

racking up those bills. So there's a

huge incentive for that government to

get you off of their ledger. So now

they're having this movement where let's

all get together and have grand we're

all going to go kill grandma. Five

minutes ago if you don't if you don't

wear the co mask you want to kill

grandma you're a bad person. Now if you

don't want to kill grandma you're a bad

person. You don't want to end this way.

You were such a strong person. Die with

dignity. Blah blah blah. It's not always

terminal stuff. And in Europe, they're

having it with teenagers who are

depressed.

>> It's and you know perfectly well,

everyone listening to this knows it's

not a slippery slope. It's an elevator

shaft.

>> Is this

>> This is the back door.

>> Is that financial incentive?

>> It's a huge financial incentive. Think

about it. If you're old and you're

$1,000 a day and the government's paying

it, if I get rid of you, look how much

I'm saving,

>> right? And

>> and you're Oh, you don't want to be a

burden to your family.

>> What? You don't want to have them

sitting by your bedside. Come on.

It's happening here.

>> New York just passed it. It's 14 states.

It's being and no one's passed it.

>> New York just passed it.

>> Oh, you see Mandami is like he's trying

to figure out a way to use his budget.

His budget is higher than the entire

budget of the state of Florida, which

has three times more people.

>> No, it's not. Is it? Yes, it is. Yeah.

The budget for Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Look it

up. That

>> the budget for New York City is larger

than the budget for the state of

Florida.

Holy, I did not know this.

>> Yeah, I'm pretty sure this is true. Uh,

we should look it up, but uh I was

reading an article about it today,

unless the article's completely full of

They were saying that it's several

billion dollars more for New York City

than it is for the entire state of

Florida, which has roughly three times

as many people living in it.

>> Holy. Is that true, Jamie? I'll try to

>> um I I just I go back, you know, once a

month to do Gutfeld. And I can't believe

I'm saying this as a former New Yorker,

but I like LA better now than New York.

>> Whoa.

>> It It hurts me physically to say,

>> what's wrong with New York now?

>> There's no

>> Here it is.

>> Eye popping amount. Insider called

Insanity is up around 11 billion from

the current year.

>> That's like 9% up. a record $127 billion

budget proposal on Tuesday. The

socialist leader, city leader plan

includes a whopping 9.5% proposed

property tax hike.

>> 9.5 hike

>> on New Yorkers, which he claims would be

a last resort while allocating another

$1.2 billion for migrants.

>> Migrants.

>> What's the Florida budget, Jamie?

>> Uh, scroll down a little bit. Okay. Uh,

wow.

>> But that's what

>> Oh my god. It's the same. It's about the

same.

>> Yeah. The New York one would have been

that this year, I think.

>> Yeah. But it's comparable. Holy crap.

>> So it's not three times more or whatever

the it is. More.

>> No. Three times more people. Right.

>> Right. So that is triple per capita.

>> Yeah. Triple per capita. So the budget

of Florida

House is 113.6 billion to 115 billion.

And the New York proposal is

127 billion. So it is more.

>> Holy.

>> So New York City is their budget is more

than the entire state of California with

three, excuse me, state of Florida with

three million more people or three times

the people.

>> Holy proposal, but for this year it's

the it would be this about the same

because if it's 11 million, that's 116.

That's the same.

>> But it's the point is it's still

>> it says it's up 11 billion from the

current year.

>> It's it's still a proposal though. He

hasn't passed it.

>> Well, he's not. Yeah, he's a

psychopath. Like, the the the amount for

migrants is crazy. There should be zero

dollars for illegal immigrants.

>> I I don't think you can have zero

because if they're going to be there,

they're going to be you have to feed

them. You have to take You have to do

something with them.

>> Like, literally, if if you don't feed

them, they're going to be robbing

stores. They have to Human beings need

food. What are you going to do? You

>> get them jobs.

>> How are you going to get a migrant a

job? uh get him a job in Guatemala.

>> Wouldn't you rather give them food than

a job? I don't want them taking American

citizens jobs.

>> Well, the whole thing's a mess.

>> The whole thing's a mess. But the point

is you can't just throw them away,

right? That's the problem.

>> Unless you're going to remove them from

the country,

>> right? Unless you remove if you even if

you want to put them in jail, that's not

cheap,

>> right? That cost a lot of money,

>> right? So, what are you going to do? I I

remember um Piers Morgan had this

amazing interview with my favorite

British politician, Dian Abbott, who is

really special needs clearly. And in the

UK, you have the the government which is

members of parliament from the uh uh

majority party and then you have the

minority party which has a shadow

cabinet. So if there's a secretary of

state, the dem Rubio, the Democrats

would have a Democrat equivalent who

would deal with those issues. And she

was their shadow home secretary which

deals with immigration. And he goes,

Diane, if the Labor government wins the

next election and you have illegal

immigrants here, what do you do with

them? Do they get to stay? Do you have

amnesty? You're going to deport them?

And he goes, she goes, "Peers, the

coutry uh system is not fit for purpose.

It's terrible. We'll be more efficient

and more fair." And he goes, "Right,

gotcha. There's an illegal immigrant. Do

they get to stay or are they deported?

I've explained this to you." And she's

just It was just this amazing thing.

>> Circular.

>> Yeah. I love her.

>> Um, how much money do they give to poor

New Yorkers? Oh, it's not. It's going to

be a lot. But is it the same amount?

>> Look at this.

>> Okay,

so 7.54

billion to fill cliffs across six major

unbudgeted needs.

>> Just to say though, they haven't raised

property taxes there in over 20 years.

>> Is that true?

>> That's what this says. It's 25 years

since September.

>> Well, the property taxes are high.

>> I'm just just a point. But I I

understand they haven't raised it, but

they shouldn't raise it

>> because it it goes with as property

values go up, the percent's going to go

up, the revenue is going to go up as

well.

>> Exactly. There's no reason to raise like

this idea that they haven't done it, so

they should do it is crazy.

>> Oh, look at that. So if your condo is

120 grand, which is no condo is going to

be that cheap.

>> Uh you're paying like 15% every year in

property tax.

>> Yeah.

>> That's not nothing.

>> That's not nothing. I think the idea is

that rich people are just going to pay

it and this is what they're trying to

push. Meanwhile, people are going to

flee just like they've done in other

countries when they've done sort of

wealth taxes.

>> That's 1,200 bucks though.

>> A month. But the the So 1,200 a month.

Yeah.

>> 1,200 for the year.

>> A condo? No, it's

>> assessed at $120,000 would go from

paying 14,000 to 16,000. But that's a

condo that's assessed at $120,000. Good

luck finding a condo assessed at

$120,000 in New York City.

>> 14,000 divided by 12 is

>> well for that particular condominium

unit

>> from 15,000 to 16,300. That's that's a

difference of

>> 1300.

>> Oh, I see. I saw you talking about

>> that's 12% on $120,000. Now do a $55

million condo.

>> This is a $3.2 million one. the really

the really wealthy people are

responsible for a large percentage of

the tax income in New York City. I think

it's the upper 1%. See if what I think

the upper 1% of New York City are

responsible for 50% of the tax revenue.

>> It's got to be something crazy.

>> It's something crazy like that. See what

the actual number is. So the thing about

that actual number is those are the

people that are going to leave because

those are the people if they own

multiple properties in New York City and

then he hits him with this tax and it

winds up being an ex excessive amount of

money and then they're planning on

taxing people if they leave. This is

like what they proposed in California.

They've also proposed this I think in

the Netherlands to try to stop people

from leaving right where you have to

still have to pay taxes.

>> France was doing some weird thing. I

remember when Deardu was leaving they

were trying to do something. They're all

just trying to steal money. Top 1% of

New York City income. Yeah. Earners paid

48% of the city's personal income tax

liability in 2021, the most recent year

with detailed data. Why is the most

recent year 5 years from ago? Um, the

PIT share equates to roughly 11% of New

York City's total tax revenue. PIT

accounts for 23% of overall city tax

collections. So, it's a lot of money.

48% of the city's personal income tax

liability is an enormous amount of

money. So property tax is 45%. That's

where they get all their money from,

which I can understand because you can't

take the Empire State Building somewhere

else,

>> right? But if you're jacking all that

up, top 1% paid 40% of PIT shares may

have declined post 2021 due to lower

capital gains.

>> But he did do something I liked. So him

and Kathy Hokll had this thing where now

where they're trying to streamline, I'm

sure there's some catch to make it

easier to build because they're

understanding if if rents are high,

demand, increasing supply is going to

lower costs. So, if they do that, I

think that's a great thing, obviously,

which I never saw coming.

>> Right. That is that's definitely good.

But there's still people are just they

don't like that kind of leadership. It's

spooky.

>> I I'm much more concerned about he has

someone on his in his cabinet or

proposed to be in his cabinet who's

concerned with decarceration. And the

princ the principle is we got too many

people in jail. Now, maybe that might be

true broadly speaking, but when you

apply that on mass and not on a case- by

case basis, who are you going to be

letting out? Because I don't think this

this claim people used to have that

like, oh, all these people are in jail

because of weed, they're not. And

certainly not in New York City. When I

was on a grand jury and these weed cases

came along, people wouldn't even indict

them. They're just like, we're not

taking part of this. This is BS. And now

it's legal.

>> So, for you to get to look at what's the

guy who uh uh was under Jordan Neely,

was that his name? What he had? 40

arrests. the one who punched that girl

in the face, the old lady in the face

and tried to kidnap a girl.

>> So for you to be in jail in New York,

it's not nothing,

>> right?

>> Yeah. And why why would they want to do

this?

>> Cuz their principle is the system or

society, whatever you want to call it,

whatever term for it is, is c making

people who are marginalized desperate.

So they act out. So instead of putting

them in jail, which helps no one is the

argument, we should be working with them

systemically to kind of normalize and

make productive citizens out of them.

>> And what's their plan for that?

>> Yeah, you have welfare programs,

different training programs, just throw

money at it.

>> Huh.

>> And here's the thing. I can understand

that argument. Maybe if someone's

stealing bread to feed their family,

I've never understood how I'm really

poor, so I'm going to hold a woman down

and do bad things to her. That's not a

thing.

>> Or just randomly punch people in the

streets or throw people in front of

trains.

>> Yeah,

>> that's right. It's like that's not a

It's not cuz you're late to your job

interview that you shove somebody in

front of the six train,

>> right? Yeah, it's dark, man.

>> It's very dark. But I LA is not as dark

as this from what I I think in LA there

is this still this sense of hope

>> really cuz people I talk to in LA

everyone I know knows someone broken

into

>> like the home invasions

>> Oh that's right that's a thing

>> they're up in a huge way.

>> I'm just comparing two different kinds

of cancer

>> and I'm saying the cancer in LA

>> is better than the cancer in New York.

>> Yes.

Because I remember growing up and not

that long ago with New York, there'd be

this you could find some new

neighborhood and there'd be some, you

know, cool ice cream store, some sock

store, whatever, button store, cool f

little spots, and it would be a fun

adventure. Just walk around and just

walking different places. And that's

gone, is it? Yeah. You can't open up

some weird little store in New York

anymore. The rent's through the roof.

Like it's the crime is through the roof.

It's miserable. LA has these little

pockets which I enjoy seeing.

>> So, what's the solution for New York

after this guy's out?

>> Do you think that it ever turns around

or do you think it keeps going in the

same general direction? And do you think

the powers that be want it to go in this

general direction?

>> It always turns around. So, John

Lindseay was mayor in the late60s during

like the summer of love stuff.

>> Uh, you had sexual assaults through the

roof. You remember New York was going

bankrupt under a beam when Gerald Ford

was president and Ford the headline the

I think the New York Post was Ford to

New York City dropped dead and that you

know you know cost him some votes and

possibly the the presidency but New York

has these I don't know what the cycle

for Giuliani to win you had to have a

Dinkens you know for Obama to come in

you had to have a Bush so at some but

here's the other problem there's two

issues one is a lot of people who could

left there didn't used to be a plan B

for New Yorkers New York was its own

thing.

>> Now it's Florida.

>> Now it's Florida or Austin.

>> Yeah.

>> And New York isn't New York anymore. Cuz

Fran Liberitz, my my second favorite

public speaker, she had this point. She

goes, "Look, there's a lot of things you

could say about a city that's full of

rich people. You could say it's good.

You could say rich people are bad. You

can't say it's interesting. And unless

there's a space for young people of

nothing to lose

>> who are going to bring culture and

innovation,

>> artists,

>> artists of broadly speaking, not just

little painters, but artists,

>> it was Williamsburg, it was the Bowery

before that, you know, there were little

pockets of magic. And I I read hook I

remember there was a bar called Lilies

and all of Red Hook was deserted and

there's this one light open and I came

to this bar and there were this amazing

singers and it was like a mystical

experience and there'd be street art but

that's you can't do that now.

>> Friend of mine's girlfriend used to work

in this place called Den of Thieves.

>> Oh, okay. Yeah.

>> Yeah. And you there was no sign,

>> right?

>> You go in there this dingy little hole

in the wall. This place is so cool.

>> It's so cool. But you can't do that

anymore.

>> No. So, and I don't think under this guy

there's going to be that uh return.

>> So, so do you think he's just appealing

to this base of disenfranchised young

people that have been told that the

reason why they have all these problems

is rich people are greedy and they've

ruined everything and we should tax the

rich and we'll feed the poor. I think he

is speaking to a lot of so people on the

right think everyone on the left is like

a big monolith. They're not. And I think

there's a lot of lefties, especially

young lefties, who don't think the

Democratic Party is an effective

mechanism toward resolving their issues

and concerns. And he's not he's unlike

Trump wasn't really a Republican. He's a

Republican on paper. He had no

allegiance to the Republican party. He

took them all out one at a time. This

guy is a Democratic socialist. He has no

uh in 1934 when Upton Sinclair ran for

governor of California after years of

running as a socialist, he goes, "People

vote for the party their grandparents

voted for." So he's a Democrat on paper.

He's a leftist obviously, but he's a

Democrat on paper. Cuomo was the

establishment hack. And he's like,

"Look, it was like Obama in08. Do you

want to go with this old party hack or

this young guy who's got a different

vision?" And he definitely does have a

different vision. This isn't how, you

know, Hillary would govern New York City

or or or uh or even Eric Adams or or

some of these others. It's

>> Well, I think one of the big reasons he

won was that debate where he said that

he wouldn't go to Israel.

>> You think that's a big big one, New

York?

>> 100%. I think that was an enormous

shift. I I

>> I would say that's a 10 15% shift.

>> 10 15

>> huge. We have

>> absolutely huge. I think I think the

polling is horshit because it's only

people so stupid they answer

polls.

>> Like who are those people?

>> I think there's

>> I think there was a giant cultural shift

where people like right shouldn't we be

paying attention to New York? Why are

all these people saying they want to go

to Israel? Why are they saying that?

Who's paying them? Why are they saying

that? That's an odd thing to say. No

one's saying the first thing I'm going

to do is visit Belgium. They're not

saying that. They're saying we're going

to go to Israel.

>> Sure. But there's also a huge Jewish

population in New York City, right? So

when Cromo tapped into that, I don't

know. I don't think Mumani was somehow

outed right as an

>> anti politicians like the percentage of

people that are Jewish in New York City

is small in comparison to the people

that think that New York City should be

the main focus of attention and not

Israel. And I think when you have all

these politicians that are doing things

that don't make sense to most people,

like saying the first thing I'm going to

do is visit Israel. What are you talking

about? This city's a mess. And then this

guy comes along and says, I can serve

the Jewish people of New York City

better in New York City.

>> And he had a large Jewish uh percent of

Jewish vote. My point is I don't think

that that number happened because of

debate. I think that was part of his

appeal from the beginning. Well, I think

for fence sitters though, that debate

was big because you got to see one guy

who's like, "This is a solution to this

system that we have been just replacing

the heads of the people that are in

charge, but it's the same exact

mechanism."

>> No, that's that's what I was saying

earlier that he's not a member of the

Democratic party. Cuomo is this old

party hack and he's like, "Look, let's

throw all that stuff in the garbage.

This is something innovative and new."

This was the argument Obama made in '

08. And he's not wrong,

>> right? like he when he when he had his

inaugural speech and he said, "We're

going to get rid of the cold whatever uh

uh uh grasp of capitalism and be

embraced by the warmth of collectivism."

No Democrat is saying things like this.

This is something completely new and

completely innovative. So, how it's

going to look in practice. Here's the

other thing, though. The mayor of New

York has a a ceiling to what he can do.

So, I would not if I'm He's 34, I think.

He's young. I don't If I'm sat in that

office and I'm up against the New York

City real estate uh um uh uh industry,

it's not going to be easy fight for me,

>> right?

>> Trump had to learn this the first term.

It's like just because you're president

doesn't mean people are going to bend

the knee,

>> right,

>> and play ball. So, who knows what this

is going to look like?

>> And it's not just New York City.

Seattle's doing the same thing. What are

they doing? Seattle, they elected a

full-on Congress. That's right. Yeah.

Who lived with her parents

>> and hasn't had a job, lives off her

parents.

>> Well, this is also a big concern with

the Democrats in general. But both

parties, when you have the base and the

establishment who are basically just

gangsters who are uh doing

moneyaundering and you have the kids who

are like, "We've been screwed over

hearing this for for for

decades. Let's have an alternative."

What do you do when you're Nancy Pelosi

and you're Chuck Schumer and you're to a

lesser extent Hakeim Jeff and these

people are coming up the kids wanting

Democratic socialists? I don't mean

kids. I mean young people who are

idealistic and they're like you're we

tried your way. It didn't give us

He gave us Trump. What do you tell them?

>> Yeah. What do you tell him?

>> You give there's no answer. You like

vote for Stenny Hoyer for another 10

years. Like like it's ridiculous.

Amy Clolobachar is not going to be your

candidate if you have this democratic

socialist vision. She will not deliver

that for you and she'll tell you that to

her fate to your face. Oh.

>> So I think that the um so I think that's

the dance Muome is trying to do.

And I don't see who I I think he'd be

the perfect VP because he's a great

attack dog. He doesn't have to worry

about defending.

>> I don't want to be the VP.

>> I've heard that, too. But he was uh um

Jerry Brown's number two. He he bided

his time.

>> Yeah, but he was Jerry Brown's number

two when he was young and he had never

been the governor.

>> Sure. I'm just saying like he would be

the perfect VP for the Democrats.

>> I don't think he wants that. I think he

wants to be the king. I think he wants

to ruin San Francisco, ruin California,

and then go on to become the president.

>> You don't think he'd have a good shot

>> at being the president? Yeah,

>> I think he does.

>> He does. He has a great shot.

>> I think he does. Yeah. I think people

are that dumb.

>> I don't think it's that dumb. I think

you could

>> They're that dumb that they're willing

to vote party line no matter what. And a

guy who's just a good speaker, who's a

good artist, that he could be

able to sweet talk his way into that

position and just fudge data, lie about

stuff. Nick Shirley is in California

right now doing the same thing that he

was doing in Minneapolis. Yeah. And

they've already uncovered

billions of dollars of fraud. Yeah. Oh,

he's making videos about it.

>> Oh, wow.

>> Same kind of fraud. Medicaid fraud

through the roof. All kinds of crazy

>> Yeah.

>> But I mean, I don't know how much that

Minnesota stuff permeated. I mean, it

took down Tim Waltz, which is a one of

the biggest scalps. Like, no one saw

that coming, right?

>> But the same thing, you take out Tim

Waltz, here's Clolobachar's governor.

It's a hydra. You're not you're not

frankly you'd rather have him. He's more

defeatable than her.

>> Does it depend upon how much fraud gets

exposed and who gets connected to that

fraud and what the investigation

unveils?

>> I you're going to have people who listen

to NPR tell you with a straight face

that this fraud happens under any

they'll have a little a list a list of

excuses. It's I it's been investigated

and resolved. This happened what?

there's no fraud in Florida and Texas or

what are you saying? Or why are you

targeting the Somali, right?

>> So, you're not going to get and at the

end of the day, I think people expect

government to have fraud and if it's in

Minnesota, you're not really going to if

I'm a Democrat in Minnesota, I'm voting

Democrat. And if I'm Republican, it's

not how many votes is this going to

sway?

>> Well, they've done an amazing job in

Minnesota of distracting people from the

Somali fraud by organizing protests

against ICE, right?

>> And that's people need to understand

like yes, people are upset about ICE.

fact un unquestionably just regular

people at home that aren't protesting.

But that protest is not just organized,

it's funded. It's heavily funded

organized. They had signal chats with

Democratic congressmen or Democratic

politicians rather that were involved in

this. There's they knew what they were

doing and they did it because they

wanted to distract from the fact that

this fraud was being exposed.

>> Well, I think they would do it

regardless, but yes, it certainly serves

that purpose.

>> They totally shifted the narrative.

>> Yes. Nobody's talking about the fraud

anymore. Everybody's talking about ICE

being murderers,

>> right?

>> Yeah.

>> So, it worked. That's what I'm saying.

If there's more fraud exposed, I don't

know that it's going to work against

Newsome.

>> Well, it depends on how the trials lay

out. So, if people wind up going to

trial over this and people wind up

getting indicted over this, that could

get more interesting because then you

remove it from Minnesota and then it

becomes this federal court thing and so

then it becomes mainstream public news

if they do this correctly. if there is

something there.

>> But the thing is you have to worry about

if the judge is going to be complicit

and if the prosecutor is going to be

complicit like and the media is also you

gota kind of fly that arrow through

three hoops that you got to go through

the bushes and make a you got a small

hole shoot through.

>> Yeah.

>> And then to try to make it indic and

then it'd be very easy for you to be

like I'm so glad this got exposed.

>> I promise you as president this won't

happen in America. And if you want to

talk corruption, look at Trump and all

his sweetheart deals. Blah blah blah

blah blah. Hillary's already throwing

women under the bus about Epstein. They

don't have shame.

>> Did you see that? Hillary's like Trump's

in files thousands of times. Like let's

have this conversation. She started

already.

>> Right. Right. What does that mean though

when you're in the file thousands of

times? Because he is the guy that was in

contact with the FBI about Epstein. He

he did contact the FBI after Epstein was

arrested and thank them for arresting

him and getting him because that guy was

a real problem.

>> Right. But

>> he did kick him out of Mara Lago in

2005.

>> But she's being factual but not

truthful. So it is factual that his name

is in the files thousands of times. And

then you leave it for the person

listening to make that conclusion.

>> Right. That's all you have to say.

That's all you have to say.

>> We were talking to Don Rawlings

yesterday. He's in the files.

>> Who?

>> Okay.

>> Because Epstein went to visit his show.

went to watch his show at Improv in West

Palm Beach.

>> I I I did a search for the word

and the one the one email I found was

someone like, "Can you mail me that

photo where I look fat and retarded?"

>> That's it.

>> And it's not clear from who. It's too

abstracted.

No one wants to know they were admitted

they look fat and

>> or the nwords in there a fair amount

also.

>> Well, there's a lot of references to

pizza,

you know. There's I think there's

thousands of references to pizza and

jerky. The jerky and grape soda. Yeah.

>> So I thought

>> the grape the thing about grape soda is

grape is like what people do to get

around the algorithm when they're

discussing rape when they don't he

graped them.

>> But this was like 2011. I don't think

people knew about that stuff.

>> Right.

>> And I don't think Epstein as a boomer

knows how to get around algorithms.

>> Right. This not an algorithm thing. It's

just a code thing. So, I thought maybe

it's a black thing, but then

>> grape soda. Oh, right.

>> Yeah, but then he's racist. There's like

things about don't bring black people.

>> Oh, really?

>> Oh, yeah.

>> He says don't bring black to that

effect. Yeah, something that something

to that effect. Please double check me

on this, but it was something that he

was not No black girls.

>> Oh, no black girls. Interesting.

>> Huh. So, yeah.

>> I don't think we're ever here. I I the

other thing that I'm kind of stunned at

is there's this belief online that if

there's enough agitation

like Qanon we're all going to have these

mass arrests and I don't see that

happening and I don't think you can do

anything to force them to release the

really bad stuff if they haven't.

>> So what else is left? There's three thou

3 million other files that they have.

>> They said they released everything.

Well, they also said there wasn't

anything,

>> right?

>> You know, when Cash Patel was on here,

it's like there's no videos, there's no

evidence, there's no nothing.

>> The craziest for me was when Pam Bondi

said, "I've got the list and I said to

myself, and I I talked to my friends,

they all agreed with me. I'm like, I

really don't think he had like clients

list. Doc on his desktop. That's not a

thing, right? So, I would I I believe he

doesn't like have a literal list." And

later she goes, "When I said list, I

meant blah blah blah." And I'm like,

"But you said list,

>> right?" Well, they had those binders.

They were all performatively holding

those binders. We have the files. We're

going to go through them. Heads are

going to roll. Nothing happened.

>> Right.

>> And then Les Wexner, what did he say

today, Jamie? You were saying that he

said, "Man, he was conned or something

by

>> He's conned.

>> I've been seeing online. I don't know

the accuracy that there's a bunch of

missing files from specifically 1999

through 2001,

>> right? And that people are connecting

that to 911." Yeah.

>> Oh, wait. Wait. 19

>> pre and post 911 are all missing.

>> Wait, so Epstein might be involved with

9/11?

>> But I I mean, what's the thumb taxes

string? I'm not saying it's impossible.

I'm just saying

>> Well, there's a lot of people that

believe that Israel was involved in 911,

>> right? But I don't think Epstein was

high up in the Israeli decision-making

process.

>> Oh, but they're I think they're just

looking for financial records of things

and those are all missing. Um people's

names

pop up. If I found out Muhammad Ata was

a pedophile, I might actually start to

dislike that guy.

>> That would really change my opinion of

him.

>> I've seen files surrounding 911.

>> Wow. Coincidence. Oh, this just came