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This is the Bloomberg day here at

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podcast. Good morning. It's Monday the

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20th of July. I'm Caroline Hepka in

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London.

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>> And I'm Steven Carol in Brussels. Coming

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up today, Andy Bernham prepares to enter

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Downing Street. But can Britain's

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seventh prime minister in just over a

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decade succeed where others have failed?

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Oil prices jump as US and Iranian

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attacks escalate following the deaths of

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three American troops. Plus, one giant

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leap for Moonshot. China's breakthrough

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AI startup tells investors it's

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preparing for a stock market debut after

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stunning global rivals.

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>> Let's start with a roundup of our top

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stories. Andy Bernham will become

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Britain's new prime minister today,

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inheriting an intrade dominated by a

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sluggish economy and pressure to tackle

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the cost of living. In his first address

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from Downing Street, he's expected to

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say that Britain can look forward to the

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future with hope and unity, but must

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also be honest about the challenges it

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faces. Bernham also say that he's

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acutely conscious of Britain's prime

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ministerial turnover, arguing that it

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shows the need for more stable and

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respectable politics. Speaking on

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Friday, Bernham said he would grow the

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economy by devolving power.

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>> More power to improve your high street,

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backing local businesses such as the

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pubs and the shops that bring them to

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life. And make no mistake, everybody, I

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will be a pro business leader of the

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Labor Party, as I was a pro business

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mayor of Greater Manchester. Bernham

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takes office with more than a million

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households behind in their electricity

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bills. While personal insolvenies in the

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UK have climbed to their highest level

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since early 2010,

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>> oil has climbed to its highest level in

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more than a month as the United States

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and Iran exchanged increasingly fierce

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attacks. Overnight, the US military

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launched another wave of strikes on the

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Islamic Republic after three American

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soldiers were killed in Jordan and Iraq.

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A week of tit fortat attacks have also

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expanded beyond military targets to

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include bridges, utilities, and port

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facilities, suggesting little prospect

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of a return to last month's fragile

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ceasefire. US Secretary of State Marco

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Rubio says that the White House still

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wants a deal.

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>> The United States always remains open to

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a diplomatic solution. We've tried

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multiple times with Iran and we'll

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continue to try. If that door opens,

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we'll be happy to see it open. But right

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and and and they continue to send

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signals that they want to talk that they

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they want to negotiate but their

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behavior is what we're responding to and

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their behavior is they're they're

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launching missiles and drones against

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ships including tonight.

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>> Rubio says the US is focused on hitting

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Iranian assets that are being used to

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attack commercial shipping. Kuwait again

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bore the brunt of Iran's retaliation.

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The country's army says that attacks on

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power and desalination plants cause

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fires and severe damage to what it

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called vital infrastructure. The New

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York Times reports the US is also

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sending more fighter jets and aerial

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refueling aircraft to the Middle East in

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what could signal a further escalation.

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>> Analysts at Morgan Stanley say a diesel

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squeeze is playing out across Europe as

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a slew of major supply challenges

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coincide. Rubber's Euan Pots has the

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details. Crude prices have topped a

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one-mon high on renewed conflict in the

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Middle East, but that's just one factor

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driving the rise in diesel prices across

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Europe. Morgan Stanley says it's

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modeling points towards European diesel

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inventories falling to multi-year lows

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towards the year end. The market for

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diesel's been tightening on a host of

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factors, including the disruptions in

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the straight of Hormuse, but also

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Ukrainian attacks against Russian

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refineries and a diesel export ban

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imposed by Moscow. However, the US bank

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cautions against betting on further

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gains, saying the tightness is already

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reflected in prices. In London, I'm Yan

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Pots, Bloomberg Radio. Ukraine's foreign

4:01

minister has said that Russia unleashed

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its largest ballistic missile attack

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against Keev since the beginning of the

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war. According to President Zalinski, at

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least one person was killed and 16

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wounded in attacks on the Ukrainian

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capital over the weekend. He said the

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strikes underline the need for further

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defenses.

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>> Our air defense forces and sky defenders

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managed to shoot down 18 missiles and

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neutralize more than 100 drones. It is

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very important that our partners

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understand what is happening and that we

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need air defense missiles to protect

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life literally every day. President

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Zalinski speaking via a translator there

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as Ukraine widened its attacks on

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Russian warehouses and logistics

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facilities. It comes as the Financial

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Times reports that the EU faces

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crumbling support for new Russian

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sanctions. Diplomats have warned that

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member states are refusing to back

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measures that could harm some of their

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biggest companies. China's Moonshot AI

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has told investors it's preparing for an

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IPO in as little as six months. That

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comes after the startup's latest model,

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Kimmy K3, upended industry perceptions

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of the country's AI capabilities.

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Sources tell Bloomberg the company's now

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seeking the blessing of its backers in a

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Hong Kong listing. Our China

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correspondent Minlow reports from the

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World AI conference in Shanghai. There

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has been a lot of buzz around this Kimi

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K3 model behind me because it is the

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largest Chinese AI model to date with

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2.8 trillion parameters and according to

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the company it out ririvals most

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frontier models except for anthropics

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fable 5 and open AAI's GPT 5.6. So it

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really stunned the tech world which

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earlier this year was still thinking

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that maybe Chinese models are about 12

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months behind the US AI models but they

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seem to be closing that gap much faster

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than expected.

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>> Moon's min low there as Moonshot is

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reported to be wrapping up a fundraising

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round valuing the startup at more than

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30 billion US.

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>> Now sports news Spain have won the World

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Cup beating Argentina 1 nil after extra

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time. Ferane Torres got the deciding

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goal in the 106th minute. Argentina were

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down to 10 men by that point after Enzo

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Fernandez was sent off for a second

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yellow card. Spain's fans have been

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celebrating winning the biggest prize in

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football.

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>> I cannot ask for anything more,

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especially surrounded by my family. It's

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just surreal.

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>> I feel great. This is amazing. Once in a

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lifetime experience.

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Okay, it's Spain's second World Cup

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title after their 2010 win.

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>> And in Gulf, Ryan Fox has won the Open,

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sinking his final put to claim the

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Claret jug by a single shot. The New

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Zealander finished 10 under par at Royal

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Burke Dale, one stroke clear of American

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Cameron Young in a dramatic final, the

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the oldest golf tournament in the world.

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Fox admitted that he looked a lot calmer

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than he felt.

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>> I'm not sure how I hit the putt. As I

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said, my hands were all over the place.

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So, I was just trying to get it towards

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the hole somewhere and yeah, it's

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surreal that it went in.

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>> That's of Ryan Fox there as England's

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Tommy Fleetwood ended the tournament

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tied for fourth on seven under on his

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home course.

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>> And those are our top stories for you

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today. Looking at the markets this

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morning, stock futures for Europe are up

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about a tenth of 1%. We've we've had

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Ryionaire profits in for the first

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quarter after tax profits uh came in

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below expectations 538 million euros.

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This though after we have seen this a

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significant uh tech selloff on Friday

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really rattled markets but stocks do

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seem to be stabilizing. South Korean

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markets reopening though after Friday's

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holiday. So you see a real catch up

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there with the Cosby down by 4.2%. The

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NASDAQ also slumping. Chinese shares

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though are up with two major state funds

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revealing more purchases of Chinese

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equities. So that has propped up markets

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uh in mainland China. Looking elsewhere

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to the oil markets, more tensions and

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strikes between the US and Iran mean

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that brain crude is now trading at

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$9022. So up 2.4% this morning. No cash

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treasuries trading because Japan is

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closed for holiday. Those are the

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markets. In a moment, what to expect

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from the change of prime minister in the

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UK. Plus, more on how the Chinese AI

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startup Moonshot is making waves as it

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plans an IPO. But another story that

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we've been reading this morning on how

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to buy a dinosaur. In case you were

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looking for a new project for your

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Monday morning, Devon Pendleton has put

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together a guide for one of the

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strangest collectors markets where

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fossil hunters, museums, billionaires,

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and fine art dealers are competing for

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assets originating more than 66 million

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years ago. There are huge sums of money

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involved here as well. A Tyrannosaurus

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Rex named Gus sold for over $50 million

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just this month. Although you can start

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small. Dinosaur teeth can apparently

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sell for as little as $20 in case you

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wanted to start your dinosaur collection

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now. Pretty complicated investment

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though. First of all, there's the

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legality of it. Fossils found in many

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parts of the world can't be legally

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sold. You have to verify authenticity.

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And then there's also the practical

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difficulties of actually keeping one of

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these things. Apart from the fact that

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obviously they're quite large, they

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extremely heavy as they're stone and

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upkeep very tricky as well. You have to

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have stable temperature, humidity, no

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vibrations. I suppose you don't want to

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end up with a pile of bones in the

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floor.

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>> No. Um I did read about that T-Rex. I

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mean, it is absolutely enormous. Um and

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it went for a sort of huge amount of

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money. Look, the criticism is that

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scientists are worried that these um

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skeletons and fossils are going to go

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into private collections, then they

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won't be there for research, which is

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what they really want them for. So, yes,

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it is a bit, it is interesting and

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strange. Um but then, yeah, the teeth, I

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mean, it's just another collection to

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get dusty on the shelf, isn't it?

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>> Nobody wants to be dusting the dinosaur.

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Could you imagine farming that out to

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one of your children, Caroline, to be

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like, "Oh, it's your turn today. Off you

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go. Dust the dinosaur." Yeah, step might

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be dangerous.

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>> It's a fascinating piece, though. We'll

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put a link to it in our podcast show

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notes. Well, Andy Burnham becomes

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Britain's seventh prime minister in a

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decade, just over a decade, I should

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say, today. But as the former Greater

10:28

Manchester mayor prepares to take power,

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many of his policies and his top team

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remain unknown. Joining us now from

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Downing Street is our UK politics

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reporter, James Wilcox. James, good

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morning. First of all, talk us through

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how today should unfold. Well, Stephen,

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it's a historic day. I mean, it's going

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to be like any other sort of postgeneral

10:47

election day and that there's going to

10:49

be scaffolding. People are set up

10:50

cameras all around me in Downing Street.

10:52

Kier Stalmer, the current outgoing prime

10:54

minister, will leave Downing Street and

10:56

go to the king after making a farewell

10:58

speech. And then the new prime minister

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to be Andy Bernham will come back to

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Downing Street from uh seeing the king.

11:05

The problem is there hasn't been a

11:06

general election and we are but two

11:08

years after Labour won a landslide

11:11

majority and so we are having this

11:13

change of government the seventh prime

11:16

minister in little over 10 years uh once

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again as the UK tries to find its new

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direction.

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>> What does the moment mean then for

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Labour the Labor Party for Andy Burnham?

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What can we really expect from are we

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dubbing it Bernamism?

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Well, for Labor, this is a moment of

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optimism and it's also a very desperate

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gamble. Um, 90% of Labour MPs backed

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Andy Burnham in this leadership contest.

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That is a phenomenal amount and it is

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true that Andy Burnham is already seeing

11:50

an upswing in the polls for the party.

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There is a hope that he can turn around

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the party, win the next general

11:57

election, and there are genuine fears

11:59

inside the Labour party about reform and

12:01

Nigel Farage and what they see as a

12:03

far-right agenda. And then for Andy

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Burnham, just 10 weeks ago, he was the

12:07

mayor of Greater Manchester, not even

12:09

sitting in parliament with no clear path

12:11

to power. And now he finds himself at

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the apex of UK political life, ready to

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reshape the world as he sees fit. I I

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mean I note your skepticism about

12:22

Bernimism, Caroline, but in many ways

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Andy Bern has a much clearer vision for

12:26

the UK than K star ever did. He has a

12:28

much clearer policy around devolution.

12:29

He wants to build a number 10 in the

12:31

north and we're expecting a policy blitz

12:33

in the next week or so of things like

12:36

North Sea oil drilling, uh the

12:38

nationalization of Temp's water, a

12:40

potential announcement on social care,

12:41

scrapping digital ID. But then we do not

12:44

know and I find this astonishing to say

12:47

anyone firmly in Andy Bernham's top team

12:51

there are many rumors inside the press

12:52

that Shabban Mammud is tipped to be the

12:54

chancellor but as yet we do not know and

12:58

we cannot say and that in turn sets the

13:00

policy agenda in that we cannot tell you

13:03

who is going to be running these sort of

13:04

big ministries of state and that also

13:06

means that these people will be going to

13:07

these jobs effectively blind and that

13:10

too will be interesting to see exactly

13:11

what policies exact What directions come

13:13

out of this new Burnham administration?

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>> That's the arrivals, James. But let's

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talk for a moment about the departure.

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Uh Kier Starmer will be leaving office

13:23

after just over 2 years after winning

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the general election. How will his time

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in office be remembered?

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>> Karma has been saying for the past week

13:31

and he's likely to say again today that

13:34

he leaves the country in a better state

13:36

than he found it. Um I although returned

13:40

to his five missions that he set out for

13:43

this government which were kickstarting

13:45

economic growth, making Britain a clean

13:47

energy superpower, raising public

13:49

confidence in police and the state and

13:51

taking back Britain streets, reforming

13:53

education, and fixing the NHS. I think

13:57

on those it's a far more mixed record

13:59

with only kind of clear success being

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seen in getting down NHS waiting list

14:03

and with many others it's been a far

14:06

more rocky far more difficult

14:07

premiership that is ending far far

14:09

sooner than he could ever have hoped or

14:11

expected. It's also worth saying that

14:14

although we don't know Bernham's top

14:15

appointments, it's very likely that

14:16

Rachel Reeves will lose her job as the

14:19

UK chancellor and what that means for

14:21

her policies around fiscal rules, which

14:22

although Andy Burnham has committed to,

14:25

the idea that the first female UK

14:26

chancellor is out of her job within two

14:29

years is also amendous one. It's

14:30

interesting that there is so much

14:32

optimism in Labor now that they can turn

14:33

the page, set a better direction, and

14:36

make things back within three years of

14:37

government. But coming into this, there

14:40

is a prime minister that seems untested

14:41

with policy plans that are unclear with

14:43

a lot of optimism behind him, but as yet

14:46

we're unclear how it's going to work

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out. Those are words I could have said

14:48

in 2024. It's yet to be seen if Andy

14:50

Burton can make 2026 a different year

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for Labor.

14:54

>> Yeah, it's going to be absolutely

14:55

fascinating. I still think also, James,

14:57

central to all of this is for our

15:00

listeners and investors in particular

15:02

whether the Labor government is going to

15:04

be more pro business. what type of pro

15:06

business it's going to be. I mean, Andy

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Berdam said only on Friday that he would

15:10

be a pro business leader. What does that

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actually mean? We know very very little

15:14

about what may emerge in the budget. And

15:17

I think investors will be very focused

15:19

on that in the autumn, you know, this

15:21

major program that may emerge from burn.

15:23

What does it mean in terms of taxes and

15:26

spending? James Wilco, thank you so much

15:28

for being with us. Uh live at Downing

15:30

Street, our UK politics reporter, James

15:33

Walcock.

15:35

Stay with us. More from Bloomberg Dayb

15:38

coming up after this.

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>> China's Moonshot AI has told investors

15:42

it's preparing for a stock market debut

15:44

in as little as 6 months. That's after

15:46

its latest model Kimmy K3 has sparked

15:48

much excitement among users and

15:51

investors. Our Asia technology editor

15:53

Vlad Savov joins us now for more. Vlad,

15:56

the announcement of this latest model

15:58

last week was put Moonshot at the center

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of a sell-off in tech shares. Why is it

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creating such a stir?

16:06

>> In a certain respect, it is evidence of

16:09

the great sensitivity that exists around

16:11

this entire industry. As we are all very

16:14

well aware, there are hundreds of

16:15

billions of dollars invested in it.

16:17

Whether we're talking about companies,

16:18

whether we're talking about

16:19

infrastructure, data centers, and so on.

16:22

So anything that may upset our

16:25

preconceptions about how money is going

16:28

to flow and how any return on all that

16:30

investment is going to come back is

16:32

going to disrupt uh the conversation not

16:34

just here in Asia but clearly it took

16:36

over the US and European AI circles as

16:40

well. I mean people such as David Saxs

16:42

the White House AI adviser was posting

16:45

and he was making a point that uh the US

16:48

should no waste time regulating its AI

16:51

industry should encourage it as much as

16:53

possible. So all of these things have

16:55

happened and to address your question

16:57

directly why um again the answer with AI

17:00

is that we're still at a very early

17:02

stage so there isn't a final product by

17:04

which we can test all these so we're

17:06

looking at synthetic benchmarks and

17:07

that's where Kim has stood out. It's a

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2.8 trillion per parameter model. Uh 2.8

17:14

trillion. It's a big number. Whatever

17:16

you're looking at, it's one of the

17:18

largest. And the innovative approach for

17:21

Moonshot is that what they're doing is

17:23

they're loading a load of these

17:24

parameters, but they're trying to be

17:25

very efficient in how they address them.

17:27

So they only activate a little bit of

17:29

the AI model when they're trying to get

17:32

user queries answered. So that has

17:34

resulted in them uh getting up there

17:36

with the frontier AI models. It's

17:38

comparable to OpenAI Anthropic, their

17:41

latest and their best. And amusingly,

17:43

the company tried to show a bit of

17:45

humility as well. It said, "While we

17:46

were really excited about our new

17:48

products, while we really love what

17:49

we've just put out, uh, we're not as

17:51

good as Open AI, Anthropic, we're just a

17:53

little bit behind them."

17:55

>> Okay. So, that's really interesting

17:56

about, you know, why Moonshot and Kimmy

17:59

K3 have have made such an impact. I

18:01

mean, shares in Alibaba are getting a

18:03

boost also from their latest model.

18:06

>> That's right. And this is also

18:08

indicative of the pace at which the

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competition is happening in China. Uh

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like I mentioned, Kim is a 2.8 trillion

18:15

parameter model. Alibaba is releasing a

18:18

2.4 trillion parameter model. And

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likewise, it's right up there in the

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benchmarks. Alibaba itself a bit more

18:24

bullish. said it's only second to Fable

18:27

from Anthropic, which if if we all

18:29

remember uh Mythos and Fable from

18:31

Anthropic are the AI models that the

18:34

company itself said uh a matter of

18:37

national security. And then they had a

18:38

whole back and forth with the White

18:39

House about whether there should be

18:41

international access to these models. So

18:44

that's part of the perceived threat in

18:46

the US, whether you're talking national

18:48

security, whether you're talking

18:49

competitiveness in commercial markets.

18:51

How is China able to catch up that

18:53

quickly without having access to the

18:55

same resources uh that the US has? But

18:58

speaking of resources, this is also why

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there's bullishness around Alibaba is

19:02

because it is much better resource than

19:03

Moonshot and it seems to be doing just

19:06

as well. And the other thing we can kind

19:07

of expect is that everyone else who

19:09

hasn't done a release in the past

19:11

several weeks or several months is

19:12

trying to do the same thing. All of this

19:15

is happening at a time when you know

19:17

we're we're looking at an increasing

19:18

rivalry between those US and Chinese

19:21

companies moving into this space. The

19:24

questions around accusations of one

19:27

distilling the other have resurfaced.

19:29

China's yet again denied that its models

19:32

have distilled foreign AI.

19:34

>> Yes, that's right. I mean the these

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these things are going to fly back and

19:39

forth. The thing that I can say sitting

19:40

here in Hong Kong is that uh within

19:43

China itself the competition is fierce.

19:46

Everyone is competing for talent.

19:48

Everyone is investing as heavily as they

19:50

possibly can. And there is a very big

19:54

difference also in the approach that

19:56

these companies are taking. Um because

19:59

the idea in the US is still let's buy

20:02

the most capable, the most powerful and

20:04

most expensive Nvidia AI accelerators,

20:07

lean into that and build models that are

20:09

tailored to take full advantage of that.

20:11

As I mentioned with Moonshot and

20:13

Alibaba, likewise, they're using this

20:15

technique called mixture of experts

20:17

where they're leaning into efficiency.

20:19

So as much as possible, they're trying

20:21

to build um frankly a whole different

20:24

architecture about how an AI model is

20:26

addressed. So they don't need to rely on

20:28

the pure speed of the Nvidia chips that

20:30

they don't have. So they're leaning more

20:32

into using memory and so on. So the

20:34

architectural level I feel like most of

20:36

them are fundamentally different for the

20:39

most part than the US models. And then

20:40

the other thing that China leads into is

20:42

the talent. I mean this is the thing

20:44

that David Saxs and Vinod Kosler who's

20:47

one of the um famous VC investors in the

20:51

US he has stressed that the US needs to

20:53

have a more receptive visa policy so

20:56

that all these Chinese re researchers

20:58

including the moonshot founder who is US

21:00

educated would not only come to the US

21:03

but stay there and set up their

21:04

companies there. So China is leaning

21:07

into a different architecture building

21:08

that up differently and then also its

21:10

talent.

21:12

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Interactive Summary

This episode of Bloomberg Daybreak covers a significant leadership transition in the UK as Andy Burnham prepares to take office as the new Prime Minister. Global tensions are heightened by escalating conflicts between the US and Iran, impacting oil prices and causing a diesel squeeze in Europe. Meanwhile, in the tech sector, China's Moonshot AI is making headlines with its Kimi K3 model, signaling a faster-than-expected narrowing of the AI development gap with the US. Additionally, the podcast touches on sports news, including Spain's World Cup win and Ryan Fox's victory at The Open, along with a quirky segment on the high-stakes market for dinosaur fossils.

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