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>> Um, I went through a whole um

like a series of different coffee

machines that I tried out. I tried out

one of them that was like this little

thing that's like a tea dipper almost

like for an individual cup of coffee.

You put the grounds in this little

thing. It's a little tiny press.

>> Okay.

>> And you you uh boil the water, put it in

the coffee cup and then you sitting in

there like it's tea and then you press

it

>> and it makes like a French press.

>> Yeah.

>> Yeah.

>> So then I went to an arrow press. I like

that one a lot.

>> What's an arrow press?

>> I use that every day. So, with an Aerop

press, I boil the water, grind the

beans,

>> and then I pour it into this glass tube.

And the glass tube has a filter at the

bottom of it, like in a like a mesh,

>> like a a steel or an aluminum. It's some

kind of metal mesh. And then that's what

it looks like.

>> And so, you press down

>> and it makes cup of coffee real quick.

And it's one cup. And so, that's what I

like cuz I was making coffee like I was

doing French press for a while. I had a

a coffee machine, but the issue is that

you're not supposed to really be

drinking out of hot plastic. All that

shit's plastic. There's plastic. The

water goes into plastic. There's plastic

here and plastic there. I'm trying to

eliminate as much plastic in my life as

possibly as I possibly can.

>> I'll tell you too, I a couple times in

my adult life splurged on,

you know, some [ __ ]

>> one of them Italian espresso machines.

>> Yeah. those it grinds the beans every

time you're going to

>> those [ __ ] things go sideways on you

in a year and then you're like I got to

get it fixed and they're like yeah um

there's a shop it's 90 minutes north of

you drive the machine up there and

you're just like [ __ ] this [ __ ] man. So

I went back I just I have an espresso

and you put the [ __ ] pot in and

whatever. But there's a company that

makes one I should shout them out that

makes one that's all steel. I think it's

called Simply Good Coffee.

Um, I follow them on Instagram. I

haven't used their machine, but that's

all steel. It's an all steel coffee

machine. Okay, which is what you want.

>> But, uh, I've got it down to the Aerop

Press. The AeroPress to me very simple.

The minimal amount of like parts. It's

just a tube. The grind, the grinds, the

coffee tastes pure. It's simple. I make

one cup of coffee a day.

>> Here. Here is Here is what I miss

because I I I will drink a lot of coffee

if I'm able to. Here's what I miss about

like a traditional Mr. coffee. Pot of

coffee.

>> Okay,

>> you set it, it starts doing it in the

morning. You wake up, it's already

going, you know,

>> right?

>> I get two cups hot in the morning. I put

it in the fridge and then in the

afternoon when I start feeling sluggish,

I got two cold cups [clears throat] and

it's just a nice It's

>> So, you just want volume.

>> I love volume.

>> Then make a French press. It'll taste

better. This right here.

>> But then But then you got to make it

every time.

>> What do you

>> You got to do one cup. You don't have a

job, [laughter]

>> you lazy [ __ ] You don't even

have a job. You [laughter] literally

talk [ __ ] for a living. And you're like,

"Oh, making coffee so hard." Someone had

a skin of [ __ ] buffalo just to stay

warm in the winter,

>> just to stay alive. They had to shred

the skin off of it with a stone knife.

And they had to pull it and stretch it

and tan it and put animal brains on it

to make sure that it softened up and

salt it down.

>> And guess what? If you would have said

to that guy, "Hey, we got this thing

called Mr. Buffalo. It'll just do it

real fast." [laughter] He would have

been like, "Okay,

this sucks.

Mr. Buffalo." [laughter]

>> He would be [ __ ] sitting in his TV

going, "Bro, Mr. Buffalo's the shade."

Yeah, you get fat and lazy. [snorts]

>> So true.

>> The uh But yeah, it's I just I like to

make more than one cup at once. So that

thing that air

>> French press is so easy. You're talking

about making it hard. This right here,

>> this is an all metal French press. No

plastic parts at all. It's the [ __ ]

easiest thing in the world, dude.

>> So this can make a full pot, though.

>> Yes.

>> Oh, okay. Well, then that's this is And

this is not expensive. It's just a steel

French press. This is the best tasting

coffee you're ever going to get because

it's got all the oils from the beans,

man. You get like the like the real

coffee dorks, you know, the fil there's

something happens in the filter. So, in

the filter, yes, you remove the grinds.

Yes. But also, you remove some of the

flavor.

>> Yes.

>> Just a touch.

>> Yeah. It's funny, man. When I back when

I was

when I when I was still involved with

the with the sandwich shop, one of the

things I learned that I never knew

because you had to take a test to get a

food handlers license and all this [ __ ]

was um I didn't know that food started

breaking down the moment you cut it. I

didn't know that because I was getting

into at the time meal prep and [ __ ] like

if I cut if I cut up if I chop the

tomatoes now, if I chop the carrots now,

the cucumbers now, it'll be way easier

to just throw a salad together every

day. and it'll make me eat the the good

thing cuz I'll be it'll be fast.

>> And then I learned no as soon as you cut

something it starts to break down.

>> Is this just vegetables?

>> I think it's mainly vegetables. I don't

think it raw meat is fine or whatever,

but but vegetables.

>> That makes sense cuz the inside's

exposed to the air.

>> Mhm. But it's got to be the same

principle with coffee beans, I would

think. Right. Like once they're brown.

>> That's a good question. Yeah. I think

people like to grind them uh right

before they I always grind them right

before I make the coffee. Um, which is

easy. Yeah, I have a grinder. It's a one

step, one button. I press it. It take It

takes 13 seconds and I count it. Goes 13

seconds is the exact amount of beans

that I want for one strong I like a

strong cup of coffee. One strong cup of

coffee with that arrow press thing. But

it's the same thing with a French press.

You take [clears throat] it, you just

get a determined amount and you can dial

the kn the knob on the grinder. It's so

easy. Grinders are so simple. So,

listen. All you do is you take that

ground coffee after it comes into the

little cup. You pour it into the bottom

of the [ __ ] French press and then you

pour the hot water in. Done. Yeah,

>> that's it. And then you wait 1 minute

and then you push this [ __ ] plunger

down and you drink the best coffee in

the world. And it doesn't have any

plastic and it doesn't have any

[ __ ] And there's no moving parts.

Yes. There's nothing. It's just that

thing. And if the grinder breaks, you

get another [ __ ] grinder. Okay. And

grinders don't break. I've never had a

grinder break.

>> But you got to boil the water first.

Correct.

>> Oh my god. Are you okay?

>> Are you gonna be okay? [laughter]

>> You got to turn the knob on the stove.

You going to be okay. What the [ __ ] is

wrong with this guy? [laughter]

>> This guy hit a button on the on the

boiler on the water boiler that you

>> He's so ridiculous. He's like, "Whoa, I

can't be the water. I got to boil it."

>> Dude, I get out of bed.

>> Get an automatic kettle. You get a

kettle.

There's literally I have one that has a

setting that says French press on it.

It's a steel kettle

>> and it works all electronically so it's

temper regulated temperature and it

beeps when it's done. You press 200° and

then I press start and it goes

>> okay. And when that happens I pour the

water onto the beans.

>> Well, now we're talking.

>> Now we're talking.

>> An electric kettle. I'm thinking I got

to put a [ __ ] pot on the stove.

>> That's even easier. You [ __ ] lazy

[ __ ]

>> It takes too long.

Dude, I get out.

>> Such a lazy [ __ ]

>> It's not laziness.

>> You're so lazy.

>> I get out [laughter] of

>> It's I swear it's not laziness. I wake

up with the dread of humanity in my

[ __ ] brain. I'm just like, I need a

cup of coffee immediately to just start

the day and just clear the head. And the

longer that takes, the longer I got to

sit in that wake up anxiety.

>> I understand.

>> So, but now we're talking. You know what

I'm going to get? I'm going to get a

boiling pot that you can set a timer on.

Yeah, they're easy. They're electronic

kettles. They sell them online and they

have like settings for tea, settings for

this, settings for hot cocoa,

>> you know. It's like five or six

different settings or something like

that, depending on the model.

>> All right.

>> They're [ __ ] so easy, dude. It's all

my little Yeah. And it's the best

coffee. It tastes And I don't have to

think. I had a whole one of these really

nice machines and it could make an

espresso, can make a coffee, can make a

latte. It's got a little [ __ ] foam

thing that I've never used once. Never.

Never even thought about using it. Never

even thought about steaming milk in my

[ __ ] house.

>> But I always would was thinking I'm just

it's all plastic. Every time I filled up

the water thing, I'm like this is all

plastic. Everything's plastic.

>> Do you know Do you know what I saw

though that made me want to get the

thing again with this with the cream

steamer? Cuz I don't put cream in. So I

don't have any use for it.

>> Black coffee, right? Black coffee.

[ __ ] man.

>> Always. Yeah. Me too.

>> Yeah. Tony shits on it.

>> Of course he does. Tony needs a [ __ ]

umbrella in his coffee. [laughter]

He's got it.

>> He needs an umbrella, a pineapple,

>> a cookie with a

>> He holds it with one [laughter] pinky

out when he drinks his coffee.

He goes,

>> I go, I drink it black. He goes, you

[ __ ] hate condiments. I was like,

what are you talking about?

>> Cuz I like the [snorts] taste of coffee.

>> Yeah,

>> I do. I genuinely like black coffee.

>> You know what I saw though that made me

want to get the the uh foam steamer was

not for foam. I you know Alton Brown the

I love Alton Brown.

>> He did a thing he did a video where he

made this thing with eggs

>> and he used the foam steamer to like

foam the eggs up

>> and I was like this looks f I want to

get it just for that just to do the

thing with the eggs.

>> Interesting. But then you got so you're

lazy when it comes to making coffee but

you go way out of the way for some foamy

eggs.

>> I'll I'll cook you a steamer. [laughter]

>> I like to cook. I'll cook.

>> There it is. right here. Oh, wow. Look

at that. Wow.

Wow.

>> He said this is like apparently

incredible. He he it's like two eggs, a

little cheese.

>> Interesting.

Interesting. And so you uh you whisk it

up like that and then you add the foam

and the foam cooks it. Is that how he's

cooking it with the foam?

>> The he cooks the eggs with the fo.

>> So what is in the fulmer? Is it just hot

water?

>> Yeah,

>> that's it.

>> Yep.

>> Okay. So, this hot water from the steam

is cooking his eggs. That's

>> Look at the egg cooking. Look at that.

>> Pretty [ __ ] dope.

>> Look at that.

>> He's got He's eating

a [groaning]

>> Or you can just eat eggs. [ __ ] wrong

with you? Just crack some [ __ ] eggs.

Fry some eggs. What's the problem?

>> You don't [snorts] think that looks

good?

>> It doesn't look as good as sunny side up

eggs. I was looking at it. I was like,

"Fuck those foamy eggs."

>> I want I want a real egg. Could you

imagine dunking toast in those foamy

eggs? Come on.

>> No, cuz I don't need toast.

>> Come on, man.

>> Toast once in a while.

>> Occasionally.

>> Yeah.

>> You know when I get it with um uh steak

tartar? I like those little toast

points.

>> Oh yeah.

>> You ever get some steak tartar? Toast

points at J Carver. You ever go to J

Carver?

>> Oh yeah, of course. Yeah. Yeah.

>> What's your favorite spot uh in Austin

to get a meal? Like is it

>> It's impossible to say. There's so many

good spots. There's so many good spots.

Austin is crazy with the amount of great

restaurants. Like really high-end

restaurants. I've eaten steak at every

[ __ ] restaurant in town. And I gotta

think the best one is Jeff.

>> Jeff is

>> I still haven't gone. I got to go.

>> Perfection. It's perfe.

They're all great. But there's something

about whatever Jeff is doing. I think

they got rated like the number two

steakhouse in the country. Something

crazy like that.

>> I gotta go to Jeffrey's. I've been

dragging my ass. I love Jay Carver. I

love

>> J is amazing. You know, amazing. Their

steak is different. [clears throat]

>> Jeff steak, you like Jay Carver steak is

uh he's he's using one of those

Argentine grills, so it's all live fire

over wood. Delicious flavor.

>> Yeah. Yeah.

>> But man, there's like another another

level like whatever Jeffrey's doing.

Like [ __ ] I go I love Gary the

bartender at Eddie V's and he makes

killer martinis. I love to go in and get

a martini shrimp bar shrimp cocktail.

Beautiful bar.

>> Yeah.

>> And uh and some steak. But I love I got

to tell you, it's the same owners as Jay

Carver.

>> I actually think I like the uh steak at

Red Ash better than Jay Carver. how

there's just something different about I

don't I don't know what the difference

in the prep is, but just the steak and

then also having the option of all the

Italian foods that you can get with the

steak.

>> Yeah, Red Ash is phenomenal, too. They

have another place called um the

Kimberly. That's that place is

phenomenal, too.

>> Kimberly is very good. Yeah,

>> there's there's too many good

restaurants. You have a an abundance of

choices here. It took it took a minute

because when I first moved back because

I was here in 2000 for a year. When I

first moved back, you know, I was in New

York for so long, I forgot like Austin

is more of a destination city. You have

to kind of find the places.

And Tommy Pope was like, "Dude, give me

your phone." And he went into my Google

Maps and he bookmarked

10 spots and was like, "Get this here.

Get this there. Get this here. in every

spot. I was like, "Okay, now now we're

now we're rocking and rolling." It was

great.

>> Yeah. Imagine back in the day before the

internet, you couldn't just Google like,

"What's the best steakhouse in Austin?"

You couldn't I mean, that's kind of an

amazing thing now. You had to be told

about a restaurant,

>> right?

>> You know?

>> Yeah. Yeah. What's What's t I I do that

in cities. Um when I'm on the road, I'll

I'll look up what's the best Italian

sandwich in the city.

>> Sometimes it's right. Sometimes it's

like, you know, restaurant

>> the most popular touristy place.

>> Exactly. Sometimes it's just a place

that paid for publicity, so they're

getting on these lists and it's not

accurate. But when you find it, it's

great. The internet is a great tool to

help find these places. Like you said,

it used to just be word of mouth. Used

to say what's good, and now you're

depending on some guy's opinion, which

is not always the best. But [snorts]

>> yeah, but there's some certain places.

It's like people are your own little

cisl and Eert for movies, but for for

restaurants like you got to find a fat

guy who loves food. Yeah. That guy's

going to tell you where the best spots

are.

>> Oh yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You know who

knows everything.

>> There's like East Coast places though

that you're just never going to get

anywhere else other than the East Coast.

There's certain like kind of small

Italian restaurants in particular.

>> Like there's this place I used to go to

when I lived in New Relle. Frank and

John's. I think it was Frankie and

Johnny's. I think that's what it was

called in New Relle, this Italian place.

It was so [ __ ] insane. It was so

insane. They made a movie about that.

There was a movie called Frankie and

Johnny with Alpuccino. And I think it's

about that restaurant. I think he works

at that restaurant.

>> Really?

>> Yeah. I I think it Yeah, it's it's got

to be

>> a lot of restaurants,

>> right? But it's

>> I mean, I'm 90% sure it was in New Relle

because that's where I lived. I lived in

New Relle. If it wasn't in New Relle, it

was in the surrounding areas like maybe

Mount Vernon or something like that. But

oh my god, dude was so good. When I got

my first development deal, um my manager

thought that I had a gambling problem,

but it was really just because I was

eating steak and lobster every night.

[laughter]

He's going, "Where's all your money

going?"

>> He's like, "What are you doing?

[laughter] You're spending so much

money. You have a gambling problem." And

I was like, "No, I'm eating steak and

lobster every night, dude. I've been

poor my whole life. I'm [ __ ] eating

like a king. Until this [ __ ] runs out, I

don't even know if it's gonna last, but

I'm riding this [ __ ] right into the

rocks.

>> My favorite thing about when I finally

got to a point of some financial

stability with this crazy career that

you go through for a long time without

knowing what's next. But my favorite

thing was when I could go, I can eat

whatever I want now. Like that was that

was a huge moment to me.

>> That's one of the biggest Brian Ken said

that to me once. He goes the most

important because goes other than

obviously taking care of your family and

mortgage and all that stuff. The after

like life necessity, the big change, the

big change is being able to go to a

restaurant and order whatever you want

and not think about it, not worry about

the bill.

>> Yeah.

>> And if you can do that, like you have

real freedom. Like that's like the the

big the first big leap.

>> And then everything after that is like

these little things. It's great. Oh,

look. I live in a nice apartment. Oh,

look. I have a nice car. Oh, look. I got

the shoes that I wanted. Oh, look.

That's all fine.

>> Yeah,

>> that's nice. But the the weight that's

lifted off of you when you don't have to

worry about your bills, that's number

one. That's the big one. That's the

giant leap. That's the between the two

buildings. Like, I don't know if this is

going to work out to wee bump. Okay, I'm

going to be okay. Now, it's just about

how hard do I work and

>> what kind of success do I have? I can

feed myself now with no fears.

>> Dude, um I I actually might have said

this to you the last time I was here. I

don't remember, but it's

the the the the most profound moment for

me in practicing gratitude for for my

life. I swear to God, it's the

supermarket. When I check out at the

supermarket, I try to remind myself you

just pulled whatever you wanted off the

shelf to fill your cart and you didn't

have to worry about can I pay for this

or not.

>> You're checking out and you're paying

for your groceries and it it costs what

it you're worried. I was like people

there are people that don't have this

man. Remember this. This is

>> a ton of people. Here's the question

though. Do you think that there's value

in not having that when you're young and

then developing that sort of drive and

ambition and desire to earn money and

get something because you know what it's

like to be poor?

>> Yes. Or do you think the world would be

a far better place if instead of people

having to concentrate on necessities

like food and shelter, society reaches a

point where that is a given

>> and no one ever has to worry about food

and shelter

>> and now it's all about what do you want

to pursue and how much energy you put

into it or do you think that you have to

have that struggle? I think, look, I I

don't think that that struggle and the

transition out of that struggle is ever

bad for anybody. I think it's a I think

it's a it it builds your spirit and it

builds your who you are. That said, the

other version of it, I don't know

because it's just not a thing that we

have here.

>> It's not a thing that people have ever

experienced here and I don't even know

if they really experience it anywhere

else. I mean, I think there's like forms

of socialism, but they all involve

oppression. There's they all involve

government overreach. They all any any

real socialist system always involves

like serious restrictions on what you

can and can't too.

I will tell you this and this might be a

byproduct of the culture we live in

because we don't have it. I will say I

there is a noticeable difference to me

between people I am friendly with that

grew up with money and people that that

I know that grew up that didn't have it.

>> Right. But is that because of our

society? That's my question.

>> That's this is the question that I have.

Like is it necessary that that has to be

your struggle in order to develop the

kind of discipline that you need to be

successful in life?

>> Or is it just our society is [ __ ] up

and that desperation that we're putting

into people, you're just making the

motivation different like you're

enforcing the idea of greed because

people become selfish because no one was

looking out for them and they have a

chip on their shoulder, all that [ __ ]

Well, you don't necessarily have to have

that to have interest in pursuing

something to the best of your abilities.

[snorts]

>> Yeah, it's it's it's it's a tough thing

to to define. It's it really is. I think

um I think there's bonuses to both, but

I also think too in in in in the social

society thing,

hey, isn't it great if you can go, hey,

man, um I'm a waiter and I'm able to

live a normal life and buy a house and

and and be norm, you know, whatever.

Yeah, but that's not socialist. That's

just a we we're [ __ ] in terms of like

the amount people earn versus what you

can buy, right? Versus like the 1950s.

In the 1950s,

you you know, the the way a person can

make a living and feed an entire family

off of one paycheck, it was it was way

easier.

>> Yeah,

>> it was a lot easier.

>> Yeah. Well, it always makes me laugh

because one of my favorite uh TV shows

of all time is All in the Family,

>> right? And the whole thing with All in

the Family was supposed to be that they

were kind of struggling. Like Archie was

a cab driver and they didn't have a lot

of money, whatever. You look at that

[ __ ] house they lived in. You're

like, [laughter] that house would be

$10.3 million now. They're living pretty

[ __ ] good.

>> It's a nice house, right? [laughter]

It's all clean and nice inside.

>> It's got two floors.

>> Yeah. The guy's a cab driver.

>> Yeah. Yeah. So, it's a tough uh it's a

tough thing, but uh as far as the

society we live in personally, I think

it's better to have known what nothing

is and then go to appreciating what you

do have.

>> I don't know [clears throat]

because I've never I've never grown up

any other way. But I wonder if you have

a cons if you have conscientious parents

and you're a young kid and you know your

dad just sits you down and tells you,

"Hey buddy, you can be whatever you

want, but you're going to have to

[ __ ] put in the work. Like there's

there's only one way out of this thing

and nobody nobody rides for free. And if

you do ride for free, you're going to be

depressed." If somebody gives you

everything that you have,

>> those are the people that are the most

aimless. The rich kids that I've met

that have no like they've had money

their entire life like they their

parents just give them a trust fund so

they don't have to work and they're

worth like a ton of money. They're all

sad,

>> right?

>> They're all sad. They then they have

they're all super insecure. They're all

they all act real weird.

>> Yeah. I know one or two people that had

trust funds grow up like that but still

work their asses off because again

you're saying it's what the parents what

you know

>> I think a big part of that right is what

the parents are still in you

>> there's all this talk now of nepo babies

and all that stuff I was good friends

years ago uh with uh Eden Eden Brolan um

she's Josh Brolan's daughter and she was

very close with her dad I remember I

remember she was in my house one day in

LA and she's like I'm not supposed to

tell anybody my dad's going to Thanos in

the Marvel movies. And I was like,

that's [ __ ] crazy, right? [laughter]

So,

so like, but she, dude, she worked for

every [ __ ] thing. She I became

friends with her cuz she was a hostess

at the stand in New York. Like, she

always had regular jobs. She plays in a

band now. She does some acting, but she

is not in a situation where her dad put

her wherever. And I think it's because

they're very close, but I think it was

because she was just raised in a way

where he's like, "You're going to earn

your [ __ ] and you know and and you're

going to do your thing and

>> and she's an amazing person." Like there

was none of that. None of that my dad's

famous and I'm comfortable arrogance.

>> Well, he's a cool guy. He's a very

normal guy. Like

>> I never met him.

>> He's a very nice guy. Yeah. Very, very

smart and very normal. Like you can hang

out with, talk him, jokes around.

>> He's like he's very present.

>> Yeah. And there's there's a lot of

people like that that you think of, you

know, you think of actors as all being

these [ __ ] aloof weirdos who live in

this bizarre liberal like progressive

leftist bubble. And a lot of them are.

There's there's a giant number that are,

but man, there's a ton of like really

solid cool people that are actors like

Billy Bob Thornton.

>> Yeah.

>> Cool as [ __ ] man.

>> He seems awesome.

>> So cool. He got actually got me the

short shirt. Shout out to he was wearing

and I said, "Nice shirt, man." And so he

hooked it up.

>> I'd love to meet him. I'd love to meet

him.

>> He's great. There's a lot of those guys

that are really great. Woody Harlson's

[ __ ] great.

>> I was just going to say

>> McConna is great.

>> I became friendly with Woody and his

wife through Tony.

>> He's so nice.

>> He's the [ __ ] best. They're both

amazing. They're like he's he's so

[ __ ] cool, man. Yeah. Like

>> so so cool and present. Has zero ego.

He's just always chill and hanging out.

Always like super friendly and nice to

everybody. Woody's so nice.

>> He he he said a thing to me with the

first time I ever hung out with him, he

came to kill Tony and and and we were

drinking after the show and we had a

great time. And at the end of the night,

he just goes he and Tony had plugged my

special at the beginning of the show or

whatever. And at the end of the night,

and I mean we had had a few. We were in

Mitsys. We were all kind of just getting

into that swaying around, [laughter]

you know, and uh I was like, "It's great

to meet you, man." And he goes he goes,

"Yeah, man. It was fun tonight." And he

goes, "I'm going to watch your special."

And I go, "Thanks, man." And he goes, "I

never promised you a rose garden." And I

was like, "Yeah, that's the name." And

he's like, "I'm gonna watch." I'm like,

"This [ __ ] guy remembered the name of

my special from a plug five hours ago."

And I was like, "That's [ __ ] awesome,

man." Like, what a [ __ ]

>> He's just a good dude.

>> Yeah, what an awesome dude.

>> Yeah, they exist, man. You know, there's

a lot of them out there. You'd be

shocked.

>> Matt Damon and Ben Affleck. Very cool

guys. Like, talk to them on and off air.

I've I've talked to Matt before.

actually randomly ran into Matt Damon a

few years back in Italy at a restaurant

where he was seated under a picture of

him. [laughter]

So I had already met him before at the

UFC and then uh we were in Italy. I was

with my family and he was with his

family and he sat down. We were already

sitting down and we were right across. I

go, "Oh, look at that picture of Matt

Damon." And then literally Matt Damon

walks in and sits right under the

picture of Matt Damon. And I go, "Hey,

Matt." And he's like, "Hey, what are you

doing here?" Gave me a big hug. And I

was like, "But this is so meta."

>> Do you ever see uh

>> so strange the to like look at a photo

of a guy on the wall and go, "Oh, I know

him. That's Matt Damon." And then he

comes in and sits right there right

after you say it.

>> It's so [laughter] funny.

>> What are the odds?

>> That's so funny.

>> What are the odds?

>> Do you ever see uh Do you ever see

Autofocus, the Bob Crane movie? Yes.

>> What great can

>> What a crazy movie, man.

>> I love that movie.

>> That movie is crazy. Do you think the

guy killed him, his buddy?

>> Yes,

>> I do. I do.

>> It seems like it.

>> I do. I think so. But that's when they

show how he would get laid on the road.

>> Crazy. He would wait for the reruns of

Hogan's Heroes to be on TV and he'd sit

in front of the television.

>> He knew when they were on. And there's

that scene. There's that scene where he

tells the bartender, goes, "Could you

put on channel 22?" Whatever. She puts

[clears throat] it on and he's sitting

under it and then the hot chick comes

up. She goes, "Oh my god, is that you?"

And he goes, "Oh, how embarrassing. I

think it, [laughter]

>> oh my god."

>> Well, back then you got to think Hogan's

Heroes. First of all, how much has

society changed and how much more

sensitive have people gotten

>> when you think that Hogan's Heroes was a

show about a Nazi concentration camp and

it was a comedy?

>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

>> It was a comedy. It was a comedy about

prisoners of war. They were captured by

the Nazis.

>> Yeah. Yeah. And they made like they had

like lovable Nazis.

>> Lovable Nazis.

Bumbling buddies.

>> Nobody died.

>> The show was on for like 5 years. Nobody

died.

>> No.

>> Did anybody How many seasons did Hogan's

Heroes go?

>> 168 episodes, six seasons.

>> God [laughter] damn.

>> 168 episodes, six seasons, and no one

died. [laughter]

>> They didn't kill anybody. How many

people died on Hogan's Heroes? run that

through our AI sponsor, Perplexity.

[laughter]

>> Yeah.

>> How many people died during World War II

in a Nazi prison?

>> Not a one. Not a one. Nobody got

tortured

>> in 6 years and 148 episodes.

>> Yes. Yeah. It's so insane. Do you think

they they get into a little bit of this

in the movie, but they they they play it

down.

>> But do you think there was a lot of push

back? Do you think there was like the

that they were like, "What are you

[ __ ] crazy? we can't make this show.

This is nuts. Or was it just eh?

>> In the movie, was there push back? I

don't remember.

>> There's a little bit where he's like,

it's kind of crazy.

>> Almost nobody dies on screen or as a

plot event in Hogan's Heroes. It was a

broad comedy and the regular heroes

Hogan, Clink, Heroes, Clink, Colonel

Clink, Schultz, the [ __ ] Nazi guard,

he's a hero. And the prisoners survived

the series. the notable fictional death

of Major Wolf Gang Husheder who is

reportedly killed during an Allied

bombing raid and the comandant dies at

dawn. The title is misleading. Colonel

Clink is not killed. So the practical

answer is one named reoccurring

character with occasional unnamed

wartime casualties implied rather than

shown.

>> Yeah,

>> nobody died. Obviously

>> that's

>> Clink was like remember I see nothing.

He saw nothing. He was always like, "I

got to get out of here. I see nothing."

[laughter] Like, they're all plotting

[ __ ] devious things to try to get

back at the guards. And he was like, "I

see nothing."

>> It's like having a show where the clan

headnaps people [laughter] and then the

clan is like kind of funny.

>> The the the black guys are like break

dancing. The clan's having a good time

with them.

>> Yeah. The closest I've ever seen to it

is Tarantino and Django when he makes

the clan scene funny when they're all

kind of dumb. Do you remember that

scene? God, I don't remember that scene.

Unfortunately,

>> there's a scene with the clan and there

I think Jonah Hill has a cameo in it and

they're all kind of dumb and it's like

funny dialogue with the clan. You're

[laughter] like, I don't know how he

just pulled this off but he did.

>> It's the scene with the bags where

they're trying to talk [snorts] about

the like my wife made mine.

>> Oh yeah. Okay.

>> Yeah. Yeah.

>> Well, my point was that if you go back

to that year like what year was Hogan's

heroes? Was it the

>> 70s?

>> 65 to 71 is when it

>> 65 to 71.

>> Okay.

>> Being on television was a very new

thing.

>> Oh yeah.

>> Very new thing. A sitcom star was a very

new thing. It was only at the most what

two decades old. How old is the

Honeymooners?

>> What year was that?

>> Honeymooners are the early 50s I

believe. Right. I think. And it was a

spin-off of the Gleon variety hour or

whatever the [ __ ] that was called. It

>> was a sketch they did556. Yeah, it's

only on TV for a year.

>> What?

>> What year did it start?

>> Says it aire originally aired from 55 to

56.

>> Wow.

>> That's the thing.

>> The Honeymooners there's only one

season.

>> So I have both honeymooners box sets cuz

I love the show.

>> 39 episodes.

>> 39 episodes in one season. That's a lot.

The main box set is called the classic

39 because that's all the episodes that

weren't sketches on the show or anything

like that.

>> He did 39 episodes and he was like, "We

did it. It's done. It's like nobody does

that now, right?"

>> You know, Seinfeld did it and uh Ricky

Jerv does it. He does three seasons and

he goes, "That's it."

>> They did 39 and it was a massive success

and they were like, "You have to do more

of these." And he's like, "Nope, we did

it. We're good. We have nothing left to

say." Really?

>> Yeah. And then they did reunion shows

and [ __ ] but like that was it. That's

wild. That's wild.

>> He went on to do all kinds of other

[ __ ] though. He went Oh, yeah.

>> He was in the the Hustler in ' 62. He

played a

>> Minnesota serious role.

>> Minnesota Fats.

>> Yeah.

>> Yeah.

>> You know, he was he was like the only

guy that's ever been in a movie about a

pool player that was a real pool player.

>> Mhm.

>> Like he could [ __ ] play. Like when

you watch him play in the movie, you're

like, "Oh, okay. [snorts] That's a real

pool player." Yeah,

>> like the way he strokes the ball,

>> he strokes the ball like a pro

>> guy. He could run I think he ran like 75

balls in straight pool. It might be 100,

but like the 100 balls is like the

number. If you could run a 100 balls in

straight pool, people are like that

guy's legit. He's he could run 100

balls.

>> Yeah.

>> You know, and he could do that.

>> Gleon was an incredible time.

>> It's kind of interesting about the show.

the the the sketches were over 35

minutes or more and the writers felt

restricted by the halfhour format.

>> Wow.

>> So that partially had something to Also

had a contract uh issue too.

>> So they were they felt restricted but

because they didn't have enough they had

one more time to they said it was too

slapstick and fast-paced according to TV

Guide.

>> Huh. Look at this. He had

[clears throat] $7 million left in his

contract in 1956,

which is crazy money.

>> The excellence of the material could not

be maintained. I had too much fondness

for the show to cheapen it.

>> Wow.

>> I mean, that is baller [ __ ] back then.

Like, that is not something people were

doing back then.

>> Or he's he just got lazy cuz he had so

much money. He was like,

>> "Yeah, he had an they CBS was going to

give him a three-year contract for what

would been $132 million today. He was

going to get close to like a million

dollars an episode." Wow. Jesus Christ.

A million an episode back then.

>> It was close to that. No, no, no, no,

no. Like what today's? Sorry, I forget

where it was on here. But

>> but even that's like kind of unheard of

when Seinfeld when it was announced they

were all going to get a million an

episode. I remember that was like

groundbreaking. It was like this has

never been done before and whatever.

>> This guy was offered the equivalent of

that back in 56 and said nah, I'm good.

>> Well, he probably already had so much

money and he was drunk all the time.

That guy drank all the time.

>> Yeah.

>> He was so fun.

>> Did you ever watch his final interview?

>> Yes. Yes.

>> Yeah. He's in the tracksuit just chain

smoking.

>> Oh yeah. [laughter]

>> He didn't give a [ __ ]

>> Tracksuit train. Wow. He was making

$839,000

>> now. The equivalent.

>> But he had to pay for production costs.

It says

>> Oh, that's different.

>> Yeah.

>> Oh, okay.

>> Art Carne Carney received $3,500 a week,

which is $42,000 a week now. Audrey

Meadows, $2,000 a week. Wow. Women got

[ __ ] over back then.

>> No, but Jackie [laughter] Gleason

Enterprises was running the show. So, I

mean,

>> yeah, he [ __ ] her over is what I'm

saying. [laughter] She got

Art Cardi got [ __ ] almost twice as

much as her.

>> God damn.

>> Jeez.

>> She was his wife.

>> Only one person got residuals.

>> What?

>> Yeah. Reportedly only only cast member

to receive residuals when the when they

were being broadcast. Oh, because they

had to change that [ __ ] later. Yeah,

they, you know, that's where those

strikes and the writers union and the

SAG, all that stuff really plays a part

cuz you get I got residuals for news

radio and they're not what you think

they are. Like people think it's it's

it's going to like change your life. You

never have to work again. That's only

for the people like Jerry Seinfeld that

own the show. Yeah.

>> The regular people that get residuals,

it's nice. It's a good thing.

>> But it's it makes sense. They're showing

the [ __ ] show over and over and over

again. It's still your work.

>> Yeah.

>> You know, it does make sense. You're

reselling it. So, it's not the original

deal that you had to put it on NBC for

one hour. Now, it's like a thing where

you're going to sell it again and so all

the actors get paid again. It makes

sense.

>> Dude, I've told you this before. I'm

going to tell you again so it's

documented and I know you're not that

interested, but you you need to [ __ ]

keep acting, dude. You're [ __ ] great

on that show. That is not easy. I in my

opinion, multicam sitcom, despite it

being the easiest job in show business

as far as payment, time versus reward,

it is the hardest type of acting because

it is an acting where you have to land

jokes and gags and you have to make it

convincing. That is very, very, very

hard to do. You are so [ __ ] good on

that show. I I I I'm and I watch news

radio all the time still. I told you

last time I was here, it got me through

was one of the things that got me

through COVID was doing news radio front

to back. You need to you need to keep

acting.

>> That's very nice of you. Thank you very

much. But I think your idea of what's

very hard to do and my idea of what's

very hard to do are two totally

different things cuz acting on a sitcom

is easy as [ __ ]

>> Okay.

>> Boil water. [laughter]

>> Boiling water.

>> You know what? You know what this is?

This is Joe D. Ro in the green room of

the mothership. [laughter] You know

what?

HOW MANY TIMES do you have to say that

in the [ __ ] [laughter]

>> I call that green room. You're all

[ __ ]

>> I'll go after you, dude.

>> You walk funny. You You look diseased.

It's just not nonstop.

>> It's [ __ ] easy. If you're a comic,

it's easy. If you're used to doing

standup in front of a live audience,

that's a lot harder. And then the the

acting they look they give you

especially if you're working with great

people, you know, I was doing scenes

with Dave Foley and Mora Tierney and all

those they were amazing. The cast was

incredible. Kathy

uh excuse me, Vicky Lewis, Andy Dick, uh

Candy Alexander.

>> But I will say

>> Stephen Root, they were incredible.

>> I will say this to you though, the fact

that what you just said it's easy is why

I think you should be doing it. I think

you are a natural [ __ ] actor and I

think you're you I

>> it's just pretend, dude. It doesn't ch

it. Listen, it's not Daniel I've never

done Daniel D. Lewis acting. That's like

the real acting. Val Kilmer acting,

right?

>> In in Tombstone. That's real acting.

>> I think you could.

>> I don't want to do it. [laughter]

>> Not interested. If I had another life.

If I had another life. I love movies. I

[ __ ] love. You know what's a great

show? A great show. It's called Lucky.

>> It's on Apple. It's about what is that

lady's name with the big eyes?

>> The first episode.

>> She's really beautiful but very unusual

looking. What is her name again?

>> Anna Taylor Joy. Is that her name? I

>> think so.

>> She was in the Queen's Gambit. She

[ __ ] killed it in the Queen's Gambit.

>> Anya.

>> Anya Taylor from The Witch, right? The

>> Is she in that too?

>> She's I think that was her first movie

was The Witch.

>> I didn't watch The Witch. No one in my

family will watch it with me. I want to

watch it. I try I'm a giant Robert

Edgars fan. I think he [ __ ] murdered

Noserado. I think it was the best

vampire movie by far of all time.

>> NASDA was dope. The lighthouse was dope.

>> You've seen the werewolf the werewolf

trailer that's coming out.

>> Okay.

>> Don't you okay me, you son of a [ __ ]

>> I have. I have.

>> Don't you okay me, you son of a [ __ ]

>> Here's what I will say.

>> What the [ __ ] are you going to say?

>> I love Robert Edgars. I'm not knocking

it. But it's the fourth movie he's

released where in the trailer I see

black and white footage and a lot of

people twitching and I'm like, come on.

>> That's what you [laughter] need. That's

what I'm looking for.

>> I'm like, "All right, I just I don't

know if it's going to be different."

>> This looks phenomenal.

>> Yeah, it's it's

>> phenomenal. Of course, he's twitching.

He's turning into a werewolf. The [ __ ]

is wrong with you, D Roza?

>> There's no world where it'll be a bad

movie. Uh,

>> no. World

>> doesn't exist. That guy knocks it out of

the park. A+ every movie.

>> The Witch.

>> The North The Northmen. Have you seen

that?

>> I did.

>> [ __ ]

>> You didn't love that?

>> I didn't love it.

>> Get out of this room.

>> I didn't. No, go home. You You stop.

>> Go home. I'll tell everybody about your

special after you [laughter] leave.

>> You son of a [ __ ] How could you not

like the Northmen?

>> I wanted more battles. I want it more

like

>> It was perfection. A+.

>> You know what took me out of

>> He might be my favorite director of all

time.

>> You know what took me out of the

Northman?

>> What?

>> Uh,

>> you being a [ __ ]

>> No. [laughter]

>> Take it easy. [ __ ] No, I'll tell you

what took me out of it. Nicole Kidman

having full plastic surgery in 1650 or

whatever. It was taking me out of it. It

was [ __ ] me up.

>> Let me see what she looks like back

then.

>> Taylor Joy in this movie, too.

>> Is she? She's in the Northman. Of course

she is. She rules. She rules.

>> But I love I think Edgars does great

work. Or Edgars, excuse me. Does great

work.

>> Oh, dude, he's the best. I think he's my

favorite director of all time next to

Tarantino. Tarantino is always going to

be number one.

>> But this guy's cuz I feel like there's

like levels

>> to movies and I think Tarantino is he's

the undeniable peak of the mountain. And

then everything else is pretty dope. the

uh here

>> Scorsese has got some murder. He's got

some killers.

>> Scorses.

>> A bunch of those guys have a few lemons.

>> You know what I mean?

>> You're gonna you're gonna have some

lemons when you when I mean Scorsese's

output is incredibly high. And it's

like, of course, you're going to have a

few duds.

>> Well, this is one of the reasons why

Tarantino is the goat. It's cuz he

figured out how to have no lemons other

than death proof, which Tony loves. We

argue about it all the time. So, where I

don't see plastic surgery Nicole Kidman.

>> They showed her for a second.

>> Yeah, she looked good. I don't think

she's in the trailer a lot.

>> That was

>> Let me see. Nicole Kidman

>> in that was a long movie. That was a

long time ago in this movie, right? What

year was this?

>> Uh it's probably

>> The Northman pre-COVID I think

>> I think so. I think it's like 2017 or

18.

>> Does it say Jamie? [snorts] I'm amazed

with Robert Edgars that he gets wide

release theatrical releases with the

types of movies he does.

>> I think it's because they sell.

>> They [ __ ] sell, dude. I mean, they're

so good. They're so good. People love

them and they go to see them. I mean,

that's it's really that simple.

>> It's What year was it, Jimmy?

>> Four years ago.

>> Oh, really? That was only four years

ago.

>> Oh, [ __ ] Oh, crazy. Um, see if you can

find a photo of Nicole Kidman from that.

>> And I'm obviously not saying the movie's

bad cuz Nicole Kidman had plastic

surgery, but it did it does take me out

of it when I see somebody doing a period

piece with

>> See, that doesn't look like plastic

surgery to me. She looks totally normal.

>> Maybe it's just cuz I remember.

>> Maybe you just want her to have plastic

surgery cuz you're a hater.

>> I'm not [ __ ] on Nicole Kid.

>> Seems to be a little bit of a hater. She

looks perfect.

>> She's got a Yeah.

>> What are you saying?

>> Little work. A little work. Little work

though. I don't see work, dude. I see a

beautiful face. You son of a [ __ ] [ __ ]

is wrong with you?

>> Oh, you go.

>> So, down there when she's with Anya

Taylor Joy right there. That's her right

there.

>> So, that that looks a little fillery.

>> Unfortunately, that look I think has

gone away though. I think ladies are

realizing that nobody likes it.

>> No,

>> the the filler face.

>> Did you see the trailer for this thing?

The neurommancer.

>> No. What's this?

>> Uh, so

>> what's this? [clears throat]

>> Nerds are super pumped. This is like the

story where like I've heard

>> the Matrix and [ __ ] came out of this.

>> So I It's going to be a TV show.

Actually, it's not even a movie.

>> Wait, how do you mean the Matrix came

out of like the jacking in and stuff

like that?

>> Yes. Who wrote that book?

>> Uh uh off the top of my head from 1984.

William

>> William Gibson. Yeah. This is supposed

to be a movie that people were concerned

was like impossible to or a book rather

that people were concerned with

impossible to translate into a film

correctly.

>> Okay.

>> I don't know why cuz I haven't read the

book, but I read that argument like

there's no way you're ever going to

really nail this.

>> Just jacked in and now he's like in some

new space, which I I don't again I

haven't read it either and I don't it's

no spoiler alert or anything. I don't

know much about it, but people are very

pumped that they attempted this and it

looks cool.

>> But but wait a second. So, did The

Matrix just take all of its ideas from

this?

>> No. Here, I I'll find out what I mean

when I said that.

>> Okay.

>> Lucky. Watch is so lucky. It's on Apple

TV. It only has uh seven episodes and

it's only going to be one season. I

think

>> I just started watching The Shards,

which I'm feeling

>> the the term cyerspace came out of that

book and then like there you go. A

consensual Yeah.

>> consensual hallucination experienced

daily by billions of authorized

>> term. The Matrix actually itself I think

came out of there.

>> Oo. Well, um, that's coming, right?

>> That's coming. He's he was ahead of his

time. He figured it out.

>> So, now this is a weird thing. Okay. And

this is a thing you notice [snorts] with

with these directors that break through

and do an amazing first movie and then

it's kind of followed by a lot of

hoham stuff.

>> You mean The Matrix?

>> Yeah. Well, the Wakowskis, The Matrix

was this cultural phenomenon. It changed

everything and blah blah blah blah.

Their movies after that, except for

maybe V for Vendetta, none of them

really ever lived up to that. So now

we're seeing this and I'm like, well,

did they just get all the great ideas

for the Matrix from this other thing and

then they made a great movie and then

that's why they were never able to kind

of hit that again? Every Matrix sequel

is terrible.

>> They're literally jacking in the same

exact way through the back of the head.

Yeah,

>> it's the same thing.

>> And they're saying the term the matrix

came out of the this.

>> That's crazy.

>> I'm like, I thought they [laughter] made

that up.

>> You know, they got sued, too, cuz some

lady wrote um I think it was a graphic

novel. It might have been an a short

story or graphic novel. I forget what it

was, but she wrote a a story and brought

it to them apparently.

>> Well, she also said she wrote the

Terminator for both both.

>> So, is she just a cook?

>> That's a cook. She had a manuscript

titled The Third Eye from

[clears throat] 1980s and

she [snorts]

Yeah, I saw the story. I remember when

>> Yeah. Let me let me tell you why she's a

cook.

>> Har story.

>> Well, because he mentioned the

Terminator. Haron Ellison wrote an

episode of The Outer Limits called

Demon. It was called Demon with the

Glass Hand. Haron Ellison sued James

Cameron when the Terminator came out and

he goes, "That's my [ __ ] story. I did

it on the outer limits in the 60s and

Harlon Ellison got paid and they were

like, "Yeah, it's actually kind of the

same thing."

>> Huh.

>> So, this lady did not write the

Terminator in the 80s.

>> Well, it could be multiple influences,

>> but

>> it could be multiple

inspirations, right? It could be.

>> The worst one is, and I'm a fan of

>> because let's let's just not let's not

we're not accusing anyone of

plagiarizing, but we're saying if

someone was gonna plagiarize, why

wouldn't they plagiarize from multiple

sources? You can't just say just because

he stole a giant chunk of it from that

one episode of a show. That doesn't mean

that he didn't steal a bunch of other

stuff. And I'm not saying anybody stole

anything. Right. Right.

>> I don't think James Cameron stole a

goddamn thing.

>> I don't think he stole anything. I think

he saw it.

>> I think it he might not have even seen

it. There's a lot of parallel thinking

when it comes to this concept of AI and

robots being like people and taking it's

in Battlestar Galactica.

>> Sure. Sure.

>> You know, I mean, it's like there's a

lot of that where people become robots.

It's in the original Alien movie 1979,

remember? Right.

>> There's a [ __ ] an artificial

intelligence that is their guy. Yeah.

>> That they don't know is a robot until it

it has I think they beat it to death.

Frank, how' they find out that it's a

robot?

It's um

>> I think they they kill it. They knock

its head off and that's how they find

out it's a robot.

>> Blanking on the act. It's it's re um Oh

god,

>> the guy's a great actor.

>> He's one of my favorites and I'm

blanking on his name. So

>> this is 79 that they did that, right? So

that's the Terminator. Like these

concepts have been around for a long

time. The concepts of artificial

intelligence taking over.

>> I think it was more the plotline of this

this robot comes back.

>> Oh, in time.

>> It was something like that. Yeah.

>> And I don't I don't think James Cameron

stole it either because there's no other

evidence of him ever swiping something.

I But I do think like we all do this

thing where we see something, we don't

remember it. It goes into the

subconscious and maybe you go, I got a

great idea. And you're not realizing,

oh, actually that's a thing I saw when I

was 10.

>> He's pretty intensely creative. Like

[clears throat] an original. I don't I

don't imagine that he would do that.

>> I would hope not, but

>> I don't think so. But Harlon Ellison did

win the the case.

>> Interesting.

>> Um, but I

>> wonder how much he got paid. [laughter]

>> How much did Harlon Ellison get for that

that lawsuit? Did they disclose it or

did they pay him just to shut the [ __ ]

up?

>> Well, Ellison is I mean, he is

everybody's everybody that loves sci-fi,

he's their favorite sci-fi guy. Really?

Like, he is the guy.

>> Bold statement.

>> He's the guy. Ellison is the guy. You'd

love you should read up on Haron

Allison. You would love

>> I probably should.

>> There's not enough time to consume all

the things.

>> Yeah,

>> there's so many things to consume.

>> Out of [cough and clears throat]

dispute ended out of court settlement.

There you go. Rather than a court ruling

on So they just paid him to shut the

[ __ ] up. So they probably gave him a

fact check.

>> Yeah, there it is. Soldier and demon

with the glass hand. involved combatants

from a future war arriving in the

present, including a relentless

futuristic soldier sent to kill. Ellison

argued that the Terminator borrowed this

core setup. Commentators often mentioned

his Outer Limits episode, Demon with a

Glass Hand, but Ellison himself

reportedly uh said his principal claim

concerned Soldier, not that episode. So,

it seemed like it wasn't maybe it was

more than one thing. Hm.

>> Either way,

>> um,

>> you could, you know, it's like

every werewolf movie is a guy gets bit

by a werewolf.

>> Sure.

>> You know what I mean? Like you could say

no one can make a werewolf movie anymore

because of the wolf man. Cuz you're

you're all stealing from the wolf man

from

>> Well, I think the difference is that's

werewolf mythology,

>> right?

>> Overall. That's true.

>> Versus, you know what I mean?

>> That's true. Yeah. Of course. Yeah. I

mean, that's Yeah. bad bad example.

>> The uh

>> it's not an original story,

>> but you would love Harlon Ellison cuz he

was just I'm sure

>> my favorite story of his is he he talked

about when he was in college and he

goes, "My my literary professor said I

had no talent so I got expelled cuz I

punched him in the throat. [laughter]

>> He's a maniac."

>> Maniac.

>> God, how many bad teachers have ruined a

kid's future by telling them they have

no talent?

>> Yeah, right.

>> How many?

>> It's nuts.

>> So many. There's so many stories like

that. So many stories of some shitty

teacher.

>> It's nuts. Did you have when you were

getting into Well, well, how old were

you when you said, "I'm going to go do

comedy. I'm not going to do any of the

[ __ ] that I studied in school. I'm going

to actually

>> Well, I barely studied in school. I only

went to school because I didn't want to

be a loser. Literally, I went to UMass

Boston,

>> like the continuing education program,

so I didn't have to take my SATs." And I

only went for three years. I was wasting

my time. And the whole time I was doing

it, I was fighting. And that was my

primary concern. That was what I was

thinking about. And I was teaching at

Boston University.

>> Oh, you mean like like MMA fighting?

Okay. Got

>> kickboxing and taekwondo.

>> Okay.

>> Um and uh that was my concern. I really

was the the the But you tell people, you

know, oh, what do you do? Oh, I'm a

taekwond do fighter. [laughter] You

[ __ ] loser. You [ __ ] loser.

I totally I would not tell people what I

did. I'm going to school. I'm going to

UMass Boston. That was literally that's

what I was doing.

>> Oh my god, that's so [ __ ] funny,

dude.

>> Four time state taekwondo champion. I

fought all over the country.

>> I didn't know that.

>> Yeah,

>> I knew you had fighting in your

background. I didn't know you were champ

and stuff.

>> Yeah, I was really good when I was young

at Taekwondo. I was really good.

>> What made you switch gears from that to

go into comedy?

>> Well, first of all, there was no future

in it.

>> There was no future. I tried out for the

Olympics in 88. I made it to the

nationals. I won the states and I went

made to nationals. I made it to the

third fight in the nationals and I lost.

That was in Miami in 88. And then I

realized like I wasn't as enthusiastic

about it anymore. Oh yeah, you got extra

cigarettes. Thank you.

>> Look at that hair. I know. I knew you

might there for everybody.

>> Yeah. Yeah.

>> Um

and then um I was also getting brain

damage and I was very aware of that. I

would lie in bed at night after sparring

and my head would be ringing just th th

th th th th th th th th th th th th th

th th th th th th th th th th th th th

th th th th th th th th th th th th

throbbing just boom boom boom boom

>> Jesus Christ.

>> I was like I'm doing this for free.

There's no money in this. I'm not making

any money.

>> Holy [ __ ]

>> Yeah, I was sparring a lot, especially

kickboxing sparring. I was getting hit a

lot. It was a lot of like kickboxing

wars and it was just not worth it. It

was just not. And I was realizing like I

got to get out before I become that guy

at the gym because there were some guys

that I had met and then I'd watched them

deteriorate a little during the time

that I knew them and I was training with

them. I watched their personalities

change. I watched them g get like

slower.

>> Like I could see their movement was

compromised

>> because they had gotten brain damage.

They've been knocked out a few times.

And I I was realizing like, oh, this is

a real problem. And no one seems to be

thinking about it. everyone's like

pretending it doesn't exist because they

just want to be a tough guy and they

just want to fight and win and

it becomes the thing you do and the

thing you do is the the only thing you

know and if that thing is bowling then

you bowl every night you know if that

thing is golf then you golf every day if

that thing is fighting you're fighting

all the time.

>> Yeah.

>> And it was uh

>> by the time I was and I was also

realizing there's no future in this. I'm

not going to ever have any money. I'm

always going to be poor. I'm always

going to be like wondering where my next

paycheck's coming from. This is There's

no money in this. And there was no UFC

back then. And um I got talked into

doing standup by my friends.

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>> And then that was it. I mean, you moved

fairly fast, right, through standup.

[snorts]

>> Well, um, see, I did half hour comedy

hour, MTV half hour comedy hour. I was

like

five years in, five years into standup

and um then I got on the television show

Hard Ball, the show I did with Jim

Brewer.

>> Yeah.

>> Did that flew out here or flew out to

California rather and that got cancelled

after six episodes and then I got news

radio right away. So I only auditioned

for two shows ever.

>> Wow. Hard ball and news radio and I got

both of them. It was the luckiest streak

of all time. No acting. I took a couple

of acting classes that I had to take.

When Disney gave me the money, the first

development deal, they said, "Do you do

you know how to act?" I'm like, "I don't

know. [laughter]

Why are you guys giving me money?" It

made no sense. They just wanted to put

me on a sitcom. And you know, this was

in the '9s when sitcoms was like

Roseanne and Seinfeld. It was a gold

mine. if you could find a personality

that you thought was someone who would

click on a sitcom that people would want

to watch, you know, every Tuesday night

or whatever it was,

>> they were they were willing to pay you a

lot of money and then all of a sudden I

was out in LA, but it was never a desire

of mine.

>> So, because it wasn't a desire of mine,

I didn't get nervous.

>> Like, I didn't get nervous during

auditions. I It was not a It was not a

thing where I'm like, "This could change

my life. This could be it." It was like,

"What am I doing here? What is this?

What am I doing here?

>> It's I'm It's You're You're good at it.

That's what you were [ __ ] doing

there, man. [laughter]

>> It's not It's not hard, dude. It's

again, it's not real acting. It's not,

you know, Marlon Brando. It's It's just

You're just pretending that this thing

is happening in the the newsroom. It's

not hard. It's [ __ ] [laughter]

It's [ __ ] easy. I mean, the m

meantime, I'm doing jiujitsu. Um I was

still sparring back then. So, I'd go to

the Jet Center and kickbox and I'd spar.

And so I'd go to work, I'm like, "This

is so easy.

>> This is so easy." Compared to stand up

and kickboxing. And

>> did you notice when you said you were

you were noticing damage happening

because your head throbbing and ringing

or whatever?

>> Did you notice any other effects or did

you cut it off before any effects could

actually, you know, like long like

actual things that were affecting you?

>> No, I didn't notice anything like I was

compromised or I couldn't think well or

I was forgetting things. It wasn't like

that. I I think I cut it off before I

got that bad, but I definitely got some

brain damage 100%. And I think it it

plays a part of my uh impulsiveness and

my I I you know, I like scary things. I

I like I like things that are make me

nervous. I like things that are really

hard to do. And I think that might be

part of that,

>> right?

>> That I got rattled a bunch of times in

my formative years.

>> Yeah. [laughter]

>> Because from 15 to 21, who knows how

many times I got hit in the head. a lot.

>> You're you're we're we're very different

in that way. You're you're you're a guy

that I think like very much likes a a

challen the conquering the challenge,

you know. Uh you know,

>> well, it keeps me sane. That's what

keeps me sane. I think you make your the

voluntary things that you engage in that

are way more difficult than the rest of

your life. It makes the rest of your

life easier

>> because [clears throat] these hard

things that you do voluntarily,

voluntary adversity, you force yourself

to do hard things all the time. So then

when other things that are seemingly

hard come up, you're like, "Ah, this

ain't shit." Compared to a cold plunge,

[laughter]

this ain't [ __ ] I just did an a

workout, a hypoxia workout. And uh so

it's at I have a box in my studio that

goes to it takes all the air out. So it

puts you at the equivalent of 15,000

feet uh above sea level and you do this

interval training. So you do sprints on

the aerodyine machine, you get off of

that and you do these kettle bell cleans

and presses or swings and you get off of

that and then you do the sled and you

push the sled or you do backwards on the

sled and it's got varying resistance and

you do them in these 50-second,

40-second and then 30 second sprints.

So, like everything else is easy.

>> God damn, dude. I'm just I I can't

[laughter]

I admire it. I admire the [ __ ] out of

it, but

>> Well, it's just for me, I think

everybody should do something hard. It

keeps it keeps me sane. For me, I need

it. I don't know, you know, I'm not

other people. I don't I don't pretend to

know how they feel, but I know how I

feel. If I don't exercise regularly, I

have more anxiety. I don't feel

comfortable. I don't feel good. I'm more

irritable. I don't like it. I don't like

that feeling. When I am like when I work

out really hard and I do the things that

I'm supposed to do, I feel great. I feel

friendly. I'm feel happy. I feel light.

I feel like life is easy.

>> Yeah. It's it's a thing. I'm not I'm not

blowing smoke. It's a thing I've noticed

about you. You're you're a very I would

even say happy golucky kind of guy. Like

you're you're very friendly. You're

always in a very good mood. I've I've

very rarely seen you and I see you

frequently now at the club very rarely

seen you come in where you're like [ __ ]

like I don't think ever to be honest

with you and it's I guess everything

you're saying like it puts you

>> it's a choice it's a choice to feel like

that that that don't do you any good

unless you're trying to do something

with that [ __ ] this unless unless you've

got some [ __ ] you have to get done

that's hard and you want to have this

attitude where you're going to attack it

like [ __ ] this like regular life. Like,

why? Why? Why? Why upset? Why? Why?

You're not in Gaza, right?

>> What are you doing? You're not You're

not in Ukraine hiding in a [ __ ]

bunker. Like, what are you talking

about?

>> Yeah.

>> What are you bitching about?

>> Yeah.

>> You're You're living an easy life in

America and you're rich, right?

>> Like, what? How dare I be upset?

>> Sure.

>> How dare I? Imagine.

>> Sure.

>> With the the fortune, the luck that I've

had in this life, how me being pissed

off at things.

That's why it doesn't bother me when

people talk [ __ ] about me either. I'm

like, "Okay, like talk that shit."

>> You could have fun.

>> You could teach, remember when YouTube

was doing those master classes where

like a guy would sit down and like Steve

Martin would be like, "I'm going to

teach you how to do write comedy or

whatever and David Mamemoth did one on

writing or whatever." You could do a

master class on YouTube in how to let

the [ __ ] roll off your back because I am

astounded at how much it does not bother

you when people are releasing clips and

talking this and bull and it's all

[ __ ] whatever, [laughter] and