LIVE: Kevin Warsh's first Jackson Hole speech as Fed chairman
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It's great to be back here in the valley
again. See so many familiar faces from
academia, from my last tour of service
and from my first hundred days, which uh
is just this weekend. I've been looking
forward to this weekend. And before I go
further, I want to thank Jeff Schmidt
and his team for the incredible
hospitality.
Everybody here is in debt to you and to
your colleagues here at the Federal
Reserve Bank of Kansas City. Uh or Jeff,
our thanks uh to you and your team. Now,
he and the other planners here have some
recreation options lined up for later
today. I'd advise you to be very careful
with your choices.
As I learned years ago, you can take two
different kinds of hikes on the trails
around Jackson. I can sum up my hikes
with former vice chairman Don Con with
two words. I survived.
These steely marathon death marches
revealed the sign of Dawn that that I
was not ready for. But there's another
kind of hike. This one was with former
chairman Ben Bernani, another dear old
colleague. With Ben, it was a much more
leisurely pace, an easy stroll along the
wandering trails of the Rockefeller
Preserve. So before setting out today,
my recommendation is do a wellness
check.
Ask yourself, is this a cone day or a
Bernanki day?
The best thing about this gathering is
that it helps us all get out here to the
mountains and clear our minds and think
straight about our world and our time.
For me, it feels like the right place
and the right audience for a real
engagement with the ideas that matter
most.
Innovation, as Kristen mentioned, is the
conference theme. And I believe the
public and the markets understand that
innovations in the conduct of Fed policy
will help deliver price stability
alongside full employment. So here's a
quick overview of what I'll cover in my
remarks this morning. You can call it an
outline, you can call it a trail map,
but please just don't call it forward
guidance.
First, I'll touch on a few of the longer
term questions we're asking at the Fed
about the latest general purpose
technology AI and where it might take
the economy.
Then, I'll reflect a bit on the practice
of forward guidance and the interaction
between the central bank and financial
markets.
Next, I'll present some of the key
principles that I believe should guide
the conduct of monetary policy. And
finally, I'll give you my assessment of
what's happening in the economy.
So, first, I think we should try to
prepare a bit for future policy
conjunctures.
With the unchanging picture of the
Tetons as our backdrop, we are here to
survey an economic landscape that is
anything but static.
It wasn't so long ago, including in
rooms like this, in the run-up to the
crisis of 2008 and over the decade that
followed, when economists and
policymakers were speaking of secular
stagnation, speaking of a global savings
glut, was a widely held view that an
excess of capital would sit on the
sidelines for a very long, long time
because there just wouldn't be enough
compelling investment opportunities. All
the good stuff, you'll recall, had been
invented, so growth would be low and
slow.
Well, times sure have changed. We've
come to a hinge point in history. to
borrow a a phrase a framing from my
former mentor George Schultz. To cite
the clearest example, progress in AI,
the 80-year-old name for the newest
technology,
has been faster even than its evangelist
predicted just a couple of years ago.
The potential for substantially higher
growth is on the rise. Everex expanding
pools of capital pouring into AI related
infrastructure of all sorts. A kind of
super
Moors law seems to be playing out.
Scaling laws too are changing both the
method and speed of innovation.
Capital and labor have combined to
create large language models at the
heart of AI. Users buy tokens to gain
access to these models.
Reports put annualized token sales for
the two leading labs alone at more than
a hundred billion dollars, an increase
of 500%
from just 12 months ago. We at the Fed,
we watch all this attentively.
We recognize that AI is a new variable,
potentially a new factor of production
that will have consequences both for the
economy and for the conduct of monetary
policy.
It opens up some major lines of inquiry.
Will the application of AI cause a
significant sustained rise in
productivity
across the economy? If so, when?
Will token usage be complimentary or
competitive to labor?
Will the next generation of AI models
demand even greater capital intensity
too? Or will the models themselves help
devise a capital light solution?
Among the other yet unknowns is the
resulting market structure.
Who gets to make the money? It's not
obvious when the where the returns on
capital will land or on what time scale
early on. How much of the surplus goes
to owners of scarce assets? the AI labs
or chip makers or energy producers or
cloud providers.
Over time, how much of that value occurs
to businesses and consumers?
And importantly, what are the
implications for workers and for the
employment side of the Fed's mandate?
Likewise, we don't yet know the
equilibrium price of the tokens that
give access to these models. Might there
be a heterogeneity of tokens such that
growing sums will be paid for the access
to the best models, those at the
frontier?
Will token prices for older models fall
to the level of their marginal cost?
Well, we'll be thinking through these
matters with the help of a task force on
productivity and jobs. My early
check-ins with the leaders of that task
force and the rest have been very
encouraging.
To be clear though, their
recommendations will come later and have
no bearing on decisions we make in the
current policy conjunction.
But I believe that for future policy
challenges, this intellectual investment
today will leave us much better prepared
for tomorrow.
Next, let me say a word about forward
guidance and its substitutes.
As our task forces go about their work,
as you might know, I'm not waiting to
introduce innovations at the Fed to help
make us fit for purpose.
To highlight one example, I've set out
to change the form and function of the
Fed chairman's so-called forward
guidance. You might know about my
longtime discomfort with early
pronouncements of future policy
decisions.
I much prefer another path. and now
we'll make the case for it.
Transparency in communications about
future policy decisions is not an end
unto itself.
Communications must be in service to the
Fed's paramount responsibility.
And what is that? That's getting policy
right.
Forward guidance as a regular practice
was adopted by my colleagues and me
during the global financial crisis. It
was essential at the time and we
introduced it with much fanfare.
But as with other legacies of crisis
past, I believe the practice has
outstayed its welcome. In normal times,
the role of forward guidance should be
limited and circumscribed.
Otherwise, it risks creating ambiguity
in the name of clarity.
Oversharing policy deliberations and
overcommitting to future decisions can
lead markets, businesses, and households
astray. And I believe when policymakers
make quasi commitments on interest rates
throughout the cycle, we inhibit our own
freedom to make the right calls when
it's time to decide.
To get policy right, we also need to get
the relationship right between the
central bank and financial markets.
The markets, the excuse me, the Fed
needs clear market signals as unfiltered
as possible from market internals from
the level and change in asset prices
across sectors.
the prices and trading volumes of
Treasury securities,
the foreign exchange value of the
dollar, the cost and availability of
credit,
a broad set of commodity prices.
These and other indicators should inform
the Fed's near-term outlook on economic
activity and inflation throughout the
business cycle.
They should also reveal the state of
broader financial conditions and the
risks and uncertainties of the financial
cycle.
At the same time, market participants
themselves
should be tracking real information
about the real economy. They should draw
their own conclusions, form their own
expectations on things like output and
employment and inflation. and they too
should stay sharply attuned to risks.
In my view, the Fed should be humble and
never naive. The Fed plays an essential
role in the economy and markets. Our
tools are powerful.
We determine the path of short-term
interest rates and market participants
will always try to anticipate what we
will do next. But we should not indulge
a regime in which market participants
are looking primarily to the Fed for
their next trade.
The economic literature has long
described the distorting effects, what
it called the hall of mirrors problem.
If markets rely materially on the Fed's
guidance and the Fed relies on market
prices,
we're more likely to be blinded to new
developments.
more likely to be caught unprepared
and more likely to commit errors in
policym.
Now, perversely, market participants are
unlikely to bear the biggest costs of
the hall of mirrors problem. The most
serious harm is likely to befall those
without any financial assets.
If the Fed gets inflation wrong and
judges the economy wrong, who gets the
worst of it?
Not the financial high-f flyers.
Hardworking Americans are the ones left
to deal with inflation that's too high
or jobs that suddenly appear less
secure.
So if forward guidance is ills suited to
normal times, how about the new Fed
chief commits at a meeting just like
this to some explicit reaction function?
Surely he could tell us his interest
rate path. If say the data were to come
in hot or cold. Well, I wish our
understanding of the economy were so
precise as to provide a mechanical tried
and trueue answer that s some simple
function like a tailor rule could be
rigorously relied upon. But our
knowledge just does not extend that far,
at least not yet. And other factors most
relevant to the proper conduct of
monetary policy, they change over time.
providing forecasts to illustrate the
Fed's reaction function works better in
theory than in practice,
better in the lab than in the field. I
am not alone in noticing that forward
guidance in 2021, to cite just one
example, might well have slowed the
policy response to high inflation.
In my term as chairman, my colleagues
and I will endeavor to construct more
reliable models, more robust rules, and
will do this knowing that accuracy in
forecasting is still just an aspiration.
With so much changing so fast in our
geopolitics, global supply chains,
technology, it's wise to be modest about
what we can and cannot know as we sit
here today.
In the same spirit, we should receive
the full range of ideas on matters that
may inform the Fed's monetary policy
discussions.
If the aim is optimal decisionmaking,
and it should be, we should not crowd
out views on the economy.
How then to chart a better path to
policy? In the balance of my remarks, I
will share with you some key principles
that guide my thinking on the
appropriate conduct of monetary policy
and then I'll offer my promised
assessment of the economy. So, let's
turn first to principles.
First, I've noticed in this line of
work, yesterday's news has a way of
getting mistaken for what's happening
right now.
The challenge is to know the difference.
In other words, we must interrogate
reality.
Make sure we're not setting
forwardlooking policy based on stale or
inaccurate data.
Nor should we rely on isolated data
points. Trends matter most.
The Fed's a decision-making agency.
We make choices amid uncertainty and the
data upon which we draw must be
relevant, contemporaneous,
accurate and as actionable as possible.
Second principle,
the Fed's actions are intended to ensure
that the aggregate demand side of the
economy is broadly consistent with
aggregate supply.
However, all we observe directly is
activity.
We never see and can only infer what's
really happening on the supply side.
Hence, evaluating the current and
expected balance between aggregate
supply and aggregate demand is
imprecise.
Third principle,
there should be no misunderstanding.
The Fed's price stability objective of
2% as measured by the PCE price index is
a firm fixed target.
Let me be equally clear about another
aspect of this objective.
Price stability is not self-executing,
nor is inflation necessarily mean
reverting.
It's the Fed's job to deliver stable
prices. No excuses. Fourth principle,
the Fed also bears responsibility for
maximum employment.
Achieving both sides of our mandate over
the medium-term is not an eitheror
proposition.
I do not believe the Fed's dual mandate
works at cross purposes.
After all, high inflation itself is very
harmful to economic prosperity.
Fifth principle,
short-term interest rates are the
predominant tool to achieve the dual
mandate.
Unconventional policies to spur economic
activity may suit genuine crises of
which we all have much experience,
but they should otherwise be used
sparingly, if at all.
Sixth, money matters. I know it's not
fashionable these days, but my view is
that money has something important to do
with monetary policy.
We should pay attention to money created
by the central bank and money that comes
from the banking and financial system.
It's true that financial innovations,
the subject of this conference, and
other factors alter the mechanics
that link the monetary base, the
velocity of money, and the broader
economy.
But that is scarcely a reason to ignore
the ultimate effects of money on
financial conditions and prices.
Finally,
a quieter Fed, a more purposeful Fed in
its communications
is better able to meet its objectives,
and we can be held accountable for
delivering on our remitt, the only true
test of our credibility.
To borrow a line from General Chuck
Jagger, at the moment of truth, they're
either reasons or results.
So having heard a little bit about AI
and general purpose technologies, having
heard a little bit about the next policy
conjuncture, a little bit on principles,
let's turn to the economy today. Given
those principles, how do I read the
economy? What's really going on outside
the window? It's a little ironic. There
are no windows in this room, but but
they're big ones at the Federal Reserve
and we've been using those in my first
hundred days and I expect we're going to
continue to use those in the period
right ahead of us. Now, you may have
read in the July minutes the unanimous
view of the FOMC.
Labor markets were stable, output solid,
but inflation remained too high.
A good majority of my colleagues and I
thought the wiser course was to await
new information in the intermedating
period,
especially given possible developments
in supply chains, investment flows, and
geopolitics
before deciding whether a change in
interest rate policy was advisable.
And we expressed our joint readiness to
act as circumstances,
excuse me, require.
For my part today, as we sit here, I'm
impressed by the overall performance of
the economy, which appears to have
strengthened.
One indicator of strength is how well an
economy holds up under stress, how well
it holds up under shocks. On that score,
both Main Street and Wall Street have
been remarkably resilient.
Several other observations,
business capex is rising rapidly. The
four quarter change in investment in
equipment and intangibles has been
around 9%.
Its highest growth rate since 2021
and more than half of the capex growth
can likely be ascribed to the buildout
related to AI.
What about profits? For the firms in the
S&P, profits have grown more than 20%
over the past year alone. Profit margins
are quite elevated relative to history.
Overall equity and market volatility
quite low.
We're staying keenly focused on market
internals, watching performance across
sectors.
Expectations for both growth in capex
and corporate earnings are running quite
high. I continue to watch the change in
the growth rates, the second derivative,
the followon effects on asset prices,
business confidence, consumer incomes,
and spending are equally important to
gauge.
Credit spreads on corporate bonds and
leverage loans are near the low end of
their historical averages and issue
volumes this year quite strong. Looking
beyond fixed income markets to the
banking business in the July so-called
Slooh survey, banks tell us that
standards for CNI loans are on the
easier end of their historical ranges.
That helps explain their growth that
we've seen this year in these loans.
In my view, credit and loan markets are
showing few signs of policy restraint.
Now, certain sectors like housing and
agriculture are showing strains, but on
balance, I would be hardpressed to
describe broad financial conditions as
restrictive.
Real consumer spending has been healthy
despite these shocks, increasing more
than 2% over the past four quarters. If
you combine consumption with the brisk
investment we talked about earlier,
private domestic financial p purchases
have also risen. These purchases have
increased at a pace of nearly 3% or so
so far this year. That's a measure that
typically carols more signal than GDP.
The trend here too positive.
So on the employment side of the Fed's
dual mandate, our country is doing well.
Labor markets are quite stable. The
jobless rate at 4.1%
remains low by historical standards and
hasn't changed much in a couple of
years. Unemployment claims on a 4-week
moving average, an empirically robust
real-time indicator, are near their
lowest level in decades.
In my view, the relatively low turnover
in today's labor market is partly a
result of the significant rematching
between employers and employees that
happened uh after the post in the
post-pandemic environment.
But when labor supply is barely growing,
monthly job gains are naturally going to
run low. They're always area of concerns
in the labor market. For example, among
recent graduates in general though,
people who want to work by and large are
holding or finding jobs. They may well
be concerned about future labor
disruptions. But as of now, I believe
the labor markets are broadly consistent
with full employment.
But on the price stability side of our
mandate, the numbers are more
concerning.
The Fed's preferred measure of
inflation, the one I talked about
earlier, the 12-month change in the PC
price index stands at 3.7%.
With a six-month change a little above
four, the comparable measures from the
CPI index are also elevated as are core
measures both of PCE and CPI inflation.
None of these measures are perfect, but
they all tell a similar story. Inflation
is running above our 2% target. So the
Fed's predominant focus right now should
be on prices.
So what's our job? The job for
policymakers is to capture underlying
trend inflation. Easier said than done.
We want to gauge whether underlying
inflation is rising, falling, or seems
to be stuck in place.
We also want to understand not just the
direction of travel but the speed.
Each of these broad inflation measures
have fallen significantly from their
highs of a few years ago but progress of
the last couple of years has been more
modest.
And while this summer's PC and CPI
readings were better than expected, they
do not tell me that underlying trends
have meaningfully improved.
The data also show moderate wage growth.
But in my view, in tracking underlying
inflation, wage growth has not proven a
reliable indicator of future inflation
for a very long time.
So to try to gauge underlying inflation,
I want to tell you about a couple things
I've always looked to. I find it
instructive to disagregate the 199
individual components of the PC price
measure. Over the last 12 months, 50 po
54% of goods and services in this basket
showed price increases above 3%.
This is well below the post-pandemic
highs of about 77%,
but it remains well above the level of
32 in a couple of the decades that
preceded the pandemic.
Looking over just the last six months,
the conclusion is similar. 49% of goods
and services in the PC basket showed
price increases above 3%. Again, this is
well below the pandemic highs, but still
elevated, quite elevated.
The recent rise in overall commodity
prices also bears watching. What we need
to judge is whether the trends we see
indicate upside inflation risks.
Now, it matters too whether the
inflation readings of the past five
years have seeped into expectations.
The good news is that measures of
inflation expectations in the
medium-term
by and large look stable and inflation
compensation measures from the swaps
market send a strong and similar
message,
especially in light of recent
developments.
It's a credit to the Fed as an
institution
consistent with the best of the Fed's
traditions that market prices show
confidence that we will deliver price
stability. And I can assure you they're
right.
The thing about market measures of
inflation expectations in economic
history, I know some economic historians
in the audience, is they all tend to
look really strong and durable until
they don't.
These expectations are not pushed around
easily and right now they are very well
anchored but they must be closely minded
and it's the Fed's job to make sure that
inflation expectations do not get
unanchored.
Now there is one signal nobody can miss.
The responsibility for 65 months of
sustained elevated inflation sits
squarely with the central bank and
that's where it belongs.
So here is my standard. We must be
confident that underlying inflation is
moving to our objective clearly and at
sufficient speed. Otherwise, we have
work to do. That's our job. That's our
mandate and that's our charge to keep.
So I've covered quite a bit of ground in
the last 25 minutes or so. Let me see if
I can conclude this way.
I stand here today committed to a
discipline,
not a decision.
My Fed colleagues and I are hardly the
first to hold these positions in a time
of great consequence.
We are determined to redeem the time by
doing our very best work.
For those of us, those of you that know
us, you'll know the following is true.
We take our responsibility seriously
with humility and with resolve.
We know so much depends on the choices
we make.
Sound monetary policy helps households
and businesses to prosper. When carried
out effectively, it broadens and deepens
the momentum of our economy and helps to
secure America's leadership in the
world.
And I know that our country needs us to
think carefully and act wisely, perhaps
now more than ever. It's a tremendous
honor to serve once again at the Federal
Reserve. I'm truly grateful for the
encouragement, good counsel, and the
warm reception I've received in my first
100 days from my colleagues. I'm also
honored and grateful for the views that
I've gotten, solicited and unsolicited,
from so many of you in this room.
for that and for your kind attention
this morning. I say thank you. Let's get
on with the rest of the program.
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This speech features a high-level official from the Federal Reserve reflecting on their first 100 days in office. The speaker addresses several critical topics, including the impact of AI on the economy and productivity, the role and future of 'forward guidance' in communication with markets, the fundamental principles guiding current monetary policy, and an assessment of the current U.S. economic landscape, which emphasizes the challenges of maintaining price stability amidst resilient economic performance.
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