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>> All right. What's up, Tim? What's going

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>> What's up, Joe?

>> Nice to meet you. [laughter]

>> Great to be with you.

>> Uh, I've seen a lot of your content

online, but the one that got me the most

was absolutely the giant in Afghanistan,

the Kandahar giant story. And I don't

know if you know, but um I had uh Devin

Lorat on the podcast, the arm wrestler,

and he told a story about how when he

was in the Canadian military, he was

deployed in Afghanistan. And um one of

>> the guys that he was working with over

there had to have a conversation with a

warlord, with a local warlord, and he

said this guy was eight feet tall. He

said this guy was [ __ ] huge. And and

not just tall, but wide. He said it was

the biggest man he's ever seen in his

life.

>> Well, I've heard a lot of things about

giants in in Afghanistan. And I find

that, you know, I I I talk about a lot

of different topics. I talk about a lot

of UFO stuff. Um, and I say some things

that I know are

that I know could get me in trouble, but

nothing makes me more nervous than

talking about Giants, specifically the

Kandahar giant and and the giants in

Kandahar in general.

>> Why?

>> You know, mainly because when I talk to

people who know things,

they're very, very nervous when we get

to this topic. And some of them will

just flat out will not talk about giants

in general, but specifically giants in

Afghanistan.

And some of these guys are high level

guys that worked at the Pentagon.

Um, and they'll talk rather freely with

me about UFOs, but as soon as we broach

this topic, it's it's like they they

warn they literally will warn me, be

careful with this topic. What [laughter]

>> What do you make of that?

Well, I think that uh the topic of

giants is intermeshed with the occult.

That's my personal theory because

nothing else makes sense.

Who cares if there's 8 foot tall guys,

right? Big deal.

>> Well, there's 8 foot tall humans, right?

There's We were just talking about that

young kid that's a basketball player

that's 7 foot n right?

>> There's a few of them now. I've seen

>> Yeah. So, there's actual giants that are

in public,

>> right? They're like play for the NBA and

they're out there. You could meet them.

>> Mhm.

>> But when I talk when I say giants, I'm

talking about 9 to 12 feet tall.

>> That's that's 8 to 12 feet tall would

would I would I would classify an 8 foot

tall person as a giant as well. As long

as they don't have gigantism,

>> right?

>> That's a completely different thing,

right?

>> Gigantism is a disability. This Kandahar

giant story is very crazy because um

what what's interesting about it is the

people that I've talked to that have

been in Afghanistan that were deployed

in Afghanistan, not just Devon but other

people, they don't dismiss it. They say

we've heard some weird [ __ ] about that

place. And the the thing that they

always say is you got to realize like

Afghanistan is an old country. It's old

and it's very remote. Like most of it is

very mountainous. It's controlled by

warlords. And you know, look, there's

these

what are those? Are they Greek or Roman?

Those uh structures that are there that

were that date Greek they look like

Greek temples that date back to

Alexander the Great. And archaeologists

can't study them. They can't go there

because it's too dangerous.

>> It's one of the most remote places on

the planet specifically because it's so

dangerous. You can't just go strolling

around Afghanistan. I mean,

>> you probably would it probably would be

easier to go to Antarctica than

Afghanistan.

>> And hilarious.

>> So, the story of the Kandahar giant.

>> Yeah. Let's tell the story.

>> This story has grown into a mythology

over the years. Um,

years ago, I was working with a

gentleman named Steve Quail, and we

started a production company called Gen

6 Productions, and we were making

documentary films mainly about giants,

mainly on the topic of giants.

giants as like referred to in the Bible

in ancient history, the Smithsonian

giants.

>> That's right. Biblical and historical

accounts of giants. So, I was traveling

around the world investigating giants.

And Steve is known for his

investigations into giants.

And he got a phone call from an elderly

an elderly woman who told him, "You need

to talk to my son. My son has a story he

needs to tell you." And she had to

convince her son to talk to Steve. and

and ultimately he did and he was active

duty. He was a C130 pilot, active duty.

He actually went on coast to coast with

Steve. They went on coast to coast

together and he related his story, I

believe, with George Nory, him, Steve,

and George. And then later on, we we

flew him into Bzoon, Montana

to put him in our documentary film that

we were making. And he did not he wanted

to be filmed in silhouette. he did not

want his face out there even though he

knew that they're going to be able to

mark him just by his voice. [snorts]

So he flies into Bosezeman. Uh we meet

with him. He shows us his credentials.

He was active duty C130. And then he

told us the following story

among many other things that he told us.

He said back in 2005

he was deployed in Afghanistan and Iraq

running missions as a C130 cargo pilot.

And oftent times they would have him fly

into Bram airfield.

And these were routine missions. And so

on one of these missions he's flying

into Bram.

But this time when he landed he was met

as soon as he deplaned he was met on the

tarmac by some individuals that he

describes as the babysitters. He calls

them the babysitters. He thinks they

were either army intelligence or air

force intelligence guys. And they didn't

tell him. But this was different because

when he disembarked,

they told him no photos, no mention of

this ever. This never happened. So he

knew that whatever was about to happen

was top secret. And he had flown uh

classified missions before, usually

retrieving Taliban guys, what what he

described as highvalued assets.

But this was different because these

there were intelligence guys on the

tarmac

waiting for something. And it turns out

what they were waiting for was the cargo

that was being delivered on a forklift

to the to the C130.

And the pilot says that the first thing

that struck him as this cargo is moving

toward him and [snorts] his crew was the

was the odor. He said it smelled like

this like musk b and death. And it was

extremely pungent.

And when the cargo arrived, it was on a

an air cargo pallet which is 7 by9. And

there was a he could see that there was

a person

on the pallet in the fetal position.

And this individual was so large that

his hands and his feet and part of his

head were were hanging off the pallet.

and

he and his load master and there were

some Marines who accompanied the pellet

who accompanied this cargo.

Uh they were actually putting their feet

up to this guy's feet, this dead giant's

feet and seeing how small their feet

were compared to his. Now the giant had

red hair. He had six fingers on each

hand, six toes on each foot. His feet

were wrapped in like a crude canvas foot

wrapping.

and he was solid as a rock. Again, most

of his body was covered by a tarp, but

the pilot and the guys around him were

were hitting him with their fists. And

he came up to about their their

midsection, laying in the fetal

position. And he and the pilot told me

he was solid as a rock, this guy. And he

asked the the Marines,

"What happened? Where did this guy come

from?" and they told him that they had

heard

that there was a team that was out in

Afghanistan

that was looking for Taliban or

something and they came upon a cave

because there was a nearby village and

the villagers were were bringing food

and other artifacts to the mouth of this

cave and so they thought that they're

aiding and abetting the Taliban. So they

went into the cave and rather than

encountering the Taliban, what they

found was this enormous humanoid

who killed them all. And then according

to these soldiers, they deployed another

team to go look for that team. And when

they found the cave, they found the

traces of that other team. They were

ready. They were prepared. And they were

able to kill the giant. In fact, the

soldiers told the pilot that the giant

was eating on members of the team who he

had who had killed previously.

But these new guys, they took him down

and then they had a a transport

helicopter come in and airlift him to

Bram.

>> Did you ever try to find records of who

was there and casualties that were

reported, deaths that were reported?

>> Um, it's very difficult. The Pentagon

actually released a statement some years

ago which is bizarre to me. [snorts] You

know, basically saying in paraphrasing,

the Kandahar giant incident never

happened. There was never a giant that

was killed in Afghanistan.

>> The Pentagon?

>> Yes. It was a represent It was like a

spokesman from the Pentagon or something

or a release from the Pentagon.

>> Is this available online?

>> Yeah. They actually felt the need to

debunk this.

>> That's hilarious. Now

>> that that gets me sketchy. Well, uh, I

believed the pilot because he was a very

credible guy. He didn't want his name

out there. He didn't want fame or

notoriety. He was very nervous. He

thought, "There's a good chance that

they're going to recognize me by my

voice." He was on Coast to Coast AM. And

then he's on in our documentary. There's

a good chance I'm going to get

recognized and there's going to be some

reprisal. He was nervous. Now, they

weighed the giant before they loaded him

on the C130 cuz they have to load

everything that goes on the C130. the

load master weighed him. He weighed

1,100 lb. And they estimated his his

height at 10 to 12 feet tall.

And so they loaded him onto the C130

and then they flew him to Qatar.

And then they they unloaded the cargo in

Qatar and the and our pilot told me he

heard through the grapevine

that the body ended up at Wright

Patterson Air Force Base. He said, "I

don't know. That's just what I heard.

So, this is a firsthand account from the

C130 pilot who flew the body himself

from Bram Airfield to Qatar.

>> Why does all the weird [ __ ] go to Wright

Patterson?

>> That's a good question. You know,

>> because that's where the weird [ __ ]

goes.

>> Wright Patterson used to have this the

blue room. I don't know if they still

have it, but they used to have a room

there called the blue room where they

had all of the alien artifacts that had

been recovered and that they were

studying.

And um it was completely off limits to

anybody except for people who had

access, the very few who had access. And

um but the Kandahar giant, you know,

that story, a colleague of mine, Ellie

Marculli, he had another guy come to

him, a different guy. We we interviewed

the pilot, Steve and I. LA had another

guy come to him that was I can't

remember the details. He was a special

forces guy. He had firsthand knowledge

of the event as well. And we're not sure

if it's the same one or a different one.

if it's were if there was just one

incident with the Giants or if there

were multiple incidents now years later

this would be just a couple of years ago

because we published that film I think

back in 2016 but just a couple of years

ago and I I do have to be very careful

here I I ran into a a gentleman who was

who was uh very high up let's say in the

operations happening out there during

the Iraq war and if and in Afghanist

And this individual

uh had um he he'd flown a lot of

missions

and and he was a commander

and I asked him, we were having a casual

conversation and he starts to walk away

and I said, "Hey, you were in flying

missions in Afghanistan." I said, "Did

you have you ever heard about the

Kandahar giant?" And his wife was

standing next to me and he's sort of

walking away. He turns around, the blood

rushes out of his face, and he literally

goes like this to me,

points to his phone, and his wife

whispers, "He can't talk about that."

[laughter] So later on, I was able to

[clears throat] we agreed to meet at

later on and and in a in a very

controlled environment. Um and and he

related a story to me that's the most

wild story I've I've ever heard in my

life. And I I'm sorry I can't relate

[laughter] it. Um I love this guy. I

want to protect him. But um

it's not the giant of Kandahar. It's the

giants of Kandahar. There's more than

one. The military has known about it. I

then and aside from him, I talked to

other soldiers who've also

um who've also had knowledge of that the

specific incident that I cited earlier,

but then also in general the giants in

Afghanistan.

And I have a friend of mine who

uh I met some years ago. Actually, I was

with Lou Alzando uh at LS Bar in

Wyoming. And uh there was a a friend of

LSE who's now a friend of mine there and

we were talking about the Kandahar

giant. I was just telling him the story

I told you and he just couldn't believe

it. He thought this is this is nuts.

This is crazy. And I said, "Okay,

do something for me. Next time you're

talking to somebody in government or in

the military who you think maybe might

know something about this, bring it up.

See what happens." So he called me one

day and he said, "Tim, you're not going

to believe it." He said, "I was talking

to

I have to be very careful here, too." He

said, "I was talking to a certain

individual who works for a senator. He's

a he's a a staffer. I think I believe

he's one of the a chief of staff for the

senator or at the very least an adviser.

And he's got a military background,

special forces." And he said, "I was

sitting there, we're really good

friends." He said, "We're having a

casual conversation as we always do.

And just in the midst of this

conversation, I said, "Hey, what what do

you know about

the Kandahar giant?" And he said his

face completely contorted

and he was no longer just they were no

longer just being happy and laughing. He

became very stern.

And he and he said, "What have you

gotten yourself into?

What what are you looking into?" He

said, 'You need to be really careful.

And he wouldn't tell him anything else.

That's the kind of reaction that that I

get and others get whenever we we try

and get information on this story.

>> It's a very fun story. I don't know why

it's so fun, but it's very fun. Um, but

the question is, what would be the

reason why they would want to keep

something like this a secret?

>> I don't I don't totally understand it.

>> I don't either. I mean, if there really

were

a race of giants that survive, let's

let's assume that what we're talking

about is what's referenced in the Bible,

right? Let's let's assume or at least

the book of Enoch, like the Nephilim,

right? If we're talking about giants,

>> like

>> the thing about giants is like

>> Native Americans have stories about

red-headed giants. They they talk about

the same thing about them having six

fingers and six toes. They have these

same myths. Like how is it that people

from the Middle East and people from

North America have this same ancient

story and what is it what is it in

reference to like why why does that

>> it's ubiquitous this I mean the legends

of giants are universal all over the

>> why hide that that's what I don't

understand like the stories about the

Smithsonian are always fascinating yeah

because the stories are

>> there have been archaeological digs and

they have discovered like enormous

femurss that they thought were like

woolly mammoths or something and then

they realize like well this is a giant

human

>> and they find hair and the hair is red

and that they and that they take these

bones and they tuck them away somewhere.

I mean this is always the myth. They

tuck them away in the basement of the

Smithsonian or somewhere else and for

whatever reason the general public is

not allowed to know about this. And I

don't totally understand what is it

about giants that they would try to key

from us. Like if they find a new species

of dinosaur that's extinct, they'll let

you know. Fascinating. Amazing. They

find um Homo Floresensis or however you

say it, the little hobbit people. Yeah.

Let you know. Look, we found little

hobbit people. Pretty cool.

Giants for whatever reason,

>> you know, it is a it's a conundrum. And

>> if it's real,

>> it it's

>> you think it's real.

>> I giants in general.

>> Yeah.

>> Oh, yeah. 100%.

>> What makes you think it's real?

>> Okay. So, um,

>> let me tell you why I think that this

thing's being covered up and then Okay.

And then I'll tell you why I think it's

real and we'll go to Sardinia for that.

So

I like you have been wondering for a

long time like what is the big deal and

initially people in my field especially

people who are coming from a biblical

perspective.

The common answer is well the existence

of giants would affirm the biblical

narrative right and [snorts] so the

secular atheist types don't want the

biblical narrative affirmed.

I that can't be that can't be right

because the existence of giants doesn't

just affirm the biblical narrative. It

affirms the myths and legends of every

ancient culture across the globe,

>> right?

>> Including the Bible. So, it's not

something that's specific exclusive to

the text of scripture. So, it would just

affirm all these legends in in general.

So the only thing that makes sense to me

at this point and the other line of

thinking by the way would be that it

would somehow conflict with the theory

of evolution by natural selection which

I don't really buy into that either

because they would just say that this

branch of humanoids

u they descended from gigantoopythecus

or something like that. I don't think it

would be that difficult of a problem for

the theory of evolution by natural

selection either. Um, I'm not myself an

evolutionist, but I don't I don't see

them having that difficult of a problem

here. So, the only thing left on the

table for me is that there's something

very sinister going on in regard to the

remains of giants. And

if you study the mythology of giants all

over the world, especially in the

ancient near east, you will discover

that there was in fact a cult of giants

that there that there were cultures that

venerated giants and that there was a

very particular belief about giants. And

this goes back into the book of Enoch.

And the idea is that this race of beings

who are not entirely human. They're

hybrids that when they die, you can

still make contact with their spirits,

with their souls. They can be summoned.

They in fact, these are the demons that

these are the in the New Testament of

the Bible. These are the demons that

possess people. This is the origin of

demons, by the way, in Hebrew cosmology.

So there's this pervasive idea again,

especially in the ancient near east,

that dead giants can be communicated

with and and can possess living human

beings. They're spirits. And so you have

a cult of giants of the ancient near

east, especially among the Canaanites.

And the Canaanites,

they had actually there's uh there's

various customs and and and rights

related to giants, but one of the

specific ones that we know about is

called Kispam, the right of Kispam. And

there's a fantastic book written by my

my friends Derek and Sharon Gilbert

called Veneration where they detail the

right of kispum and this idea of making

contact with the spirits of dead giants

and the veneration of giants.

And the right of kispam was it was

practiced broadly speaking in in the

ancient near east but specifically among

the Amorites

and other Canaanite clans as well. And

and what they would do is they would

hold a feast and then they would invite

the dead to come and join them at the

feast. So this was a necroantic right

and they would they would evoke the dead

and they believed that the dead would

come and and and eat with them. Now the

kings and specifically the Amorite

kings, they would invoke the spirits of

the mighty ones, the great ones, the

giants of old, the rephim. The biblical

account names various different clans of

giants that inhabited the Levant during

and after the conquest by Joshua and the

and the Hebrews.

And you you had the Anakim who descended

from the Nephilim. You had the Raphaim,

the Zamzumim, the Amime. These are

various clans of giants that are

specifically named in the Bible. Of

course, we get Goliath of Gath. Gath is

a Philistine city. after Joshua entered

the promised land, they drove out and

eradicated a lot of these giant clans,

but some of them remained. Some of the

individuals remained and they were

primarily went to the Philistine cities

of Gaza, Gath, and Ashdad. And so you

have Goliath of Gath who David

encounters later in the biblical text.

So, it's these heroes of old, these

these descendants of the Nephilim that

the Amorites and the ancient

Neareasterners are are attempting to

make contact with because they have

knowledge and they they these are

possessing spirits. And so, the right of

Kispum that the kings would summon the

Raphaim by name and you can find this in

the Ugaritic texts. Uh, Ugarit was a an

Amorite citystate located on uh on on

the shore of the Mediterranean in in

what is today northern Syria.

And they have uncovered documents where

the Amorite kings are summoning

specifically by name summoning dead

giants, the Raphaim. And the idea is to

summon them and then to become empowered

by their spirits, their possessing

spirits. Again, this goes back to the

tradition of Enoch that the giants when

they die, their spirits are in sort of a

state of suspended animation and they

can be revived. They can be resurrected

as it were and and can be made to

inhabit the bodies of human beings. So,

there's this ancient cult that existed

in the ancient near east and in other

parts of the world and it's associated

with the cult of Baal.

Um, so you have

Baal, the the the giants were thought of

as the warriors of Baal. So today we

know that the cult of Baal persists. I

mean the Epstein files. We know that the

cult of Baal is still being practiced.

>> What when you say the Epstein files,

what do you mean? What is the

>> There's references to Baal. And there's

there's the there's this recurrent theme

of Baal worship.

and Baal Jesus

Jesus refers to Baal as Satan in the New

Testament. So, it's basically Satanism.

It's it's a satanic cult. And

>> and how how is it referenced in the

Epstein files?

>> There's some there's some references to

Baal. I can't remember the exact

references, but there's there's a

there's apparently a cult of Baal. And

the elites are obsessed with some of the

elites. I don't know who or how many of

them, but it's becoming increasingly

apparent that there's a a

that there's an infatuation

with these ancient Neareastern cults,

specifically the Canaanitish cults. And

so, the reason why I'm going through all

of this is because I think it's still

alive and well today in society. And I

believe that they're using the bones,

the remains of giants in these

practices. I think it's extremely dark.

I think um this is part of the reason

why part of the reason why there may be

a cover up around it.

Um, nothing else makes sense to me.

Nothing else makes sense to me

>> in terms of the cover up.

>> In terms of the cover up, we were

talking about

>> the cover up. It makes sense to me that

you have incredibly powerful, wealthy

people that don't want to be exposed as

being perverts and yeah,

>> whatever the [ __ ] they were up to.

There's all the weird [ __ ] with beef

jerky and pizza.

You know, there's these very strange

references that seem to not be talking

about beef jerky and not It's some kind

of code.

>> Yeah. And there's also the fact that he

brought an enormous amount of sulfuric

acid like right after he was indicted to

the island like I I forget how many

gallons of it but barrels of sulfuric

acid

>> which is what you would use to dissolve

bodies.

>> So it's like it seems like there's a lot

of reasons for a cover up. If this guy

was running some sort of uh blackmail

operation and had information on

powerful people, you would that would

make sense that that's why they would

cover it up.

>> Well, that's the cover up the pedophilia

>> or just even if it's not pedophilia,

even just adultery or drug use or

whatever. The ball [clears throat] thing

apparently comes up on a bank

file and it may have been

misinterpreted. It does say B a L.name,

>> but people who are digging into this say

that it might have just been a

misinterpretation. That's the only

mention of it.

>> Misinterpretation.

>> Uh yeah, [clears throat] I mean it's

another page here shows it. Here's like

the document.

>> It might have just I don't I it doesn't

even say it there that I can see it.

>> Yeah. I'm not sure exactly. Here's where

it says it, you know,

>> exactly where Baal is referenced

specifically. There there for one place

for sure.

>> Bank document. I don't know if that has

anything to do with the occult

specifically.

>> Just imagine if it's the name of Satan

and this is the name of your bank

account. [laughter]

>> Yeah.

Yeah. That's quite odd. Yeah.

>> That's

at least creepy.

>> Yeah. For sure.

>> At least creepy.

>> Yeah. So, you have this this this

scenario in which let's just say for the

sake of argument that it's true. Okay.

>> Okay. That the legends are true, the

giants are real, that

you can make contact with their spirits

>> through their bones

>> through maybe through their remains. Um

that or at least people believe this.

And so

>> is there some sort of a method that they

use?

>> Yeah. Well, okay. So, this will get us

into Sardinia. So, whenever anyone asks

me what's the what's the best evidence

you've ever seen for the existence of

giants? Now you've already cited some

some his some historical context around

this. The legend of giants is

everywhere. It's in every continent and

you have giants aside from the biblical

account obviously all over the

Mesopotamia the cult of giants in the

United States during this the era of the

the Smithsonian gate the Smithsonian's

apparent the Smithsonian institutions

apparent cover up of giants especially

the ones that were being discovered in

the mountains here in the United States.

But it's pervasive. In Peru, there's

legends of giants.

And uh the natives, the indigenous

peoples absolutely believe there was a

primordial race of giants. The same

thing in Central America. They believed

there was a primordial race of giants

that was destroyed in the cataclysm,

specifically a flood. That's what the

Inca believed that Beakocha, the guy

created first a race of giants, but they

were they were they were stupid and evil

and so he destroyed them in a flood.

Same same story down in up in Mexico.

and among the Aztec and the Native

Americans, the six-finger redhaired

giants and so forth. So, there's a lot

of um historical context and I would and

of course it's anecdotal, but it's but

how much anecdotal evidence just at one

point does anecdotal evidence just

become evidence when there's when it's

so pervasive all over the world,

>> right? So,

um, as I was traveling around the world

studying giants and researching this

topic and investigating different

stories and legends,

um, I went to Malta, which is very

interesting. Obviously, lots of legends

of giants in Malta associated with the

megaliths. And then, and then I kind of

hit ground zero for giants, which is the

island of Sardinia.

And the island of Sardinia is located

west of of Rome. It's part of Italy.

It's in the western Mediterranean. below

below Corsica.

And many people don't realize this about

Sardinia, but Sardinia has the highest

um has the most megaliths anywhere on

Earth. It has the highest concentration

of megaliths anywhere that I've been as

far as I'm aware of.

There there are these massive megalithic

towers called Nuragi

that were constructed allegedly by the

uh or conventionally by the uh Nuragi

the neurogic civilization bronze age

civilization

and there are today still at least 7,000

of these things standing you can go to

Sardinia and see 7,000

new ragi towers there at one time 10 to

30,000

of these megalithic towers and some of

these towers stood over 100 ft tall.

>> Chammy, can we see some pictures of

these?

>> I'm trying to figure out [snorts]

>> Yeah. How would he look?

>> Nurogi.

>> Sardinia.

>> Nurrai.

>> Nurogi. Three different things. So I

don't I guess this is it.

Is that Yeah, that's what it is.

>> So what is the timeline of this neurogic

how do you say it? Neurogic.

>> The neurogic civilization. It's the

bronze age.

>> Yeah, the bronze age. So, what is that?

>> 3,300 to 3,300 BC to about 1,200 BC.

>> And that's what this stuff is from.

>> And um they say it was they say that

these were built in the bronze bronze

age. That's the the conventional idea.

And again, there's 7,000 of them on the

island today,

but there were up up to I've seen

estimates up to 30,000 including at the

museum in Sardinia.

And aside from these towers, they also

have these are, by the way, these are

megalithic. So these are these are

megalithic towers that are constructed

in the cyclopian style. And cyclopian

masonry, cyclopian architecture is the

trademark of megaliths worldwide. And

cyclopian this is the this is the the

archaeological term for the technique.

cyclopian referencing the great cyclopes

of of Greek mythology who were believed

to be the inventors of tower building

and you know the builders the offspring

of the gods who were the great builders

and masons

um that's the that's the mythology but

the trademark of cyclopian architecture

is that these these are large stones

that are fitted together without the use

of any binding agent like mortar without

any kind of mortar and you have you have

ex exquisite examples of cyclopian

masonry in different parts of the earth

like in Peru the walls of Sakaiwaman are

are absolutely amazing, breathtakingly

um

beautiful in regard to their design and

the the polygonal

um tightly fitting blocks, immense

blocks of stone. Whereas in Sardinia,

these are crude blocks. the crudely uh

worked blocks of of bassalt and granite

and limestone that are fitted together

but without the use of mortar. So they

are built in the cyclopian style. Again

some of them were 100 ft tall and they

had a some of them were for defensive

purposes and they some of them had a

wooden platform that crowned the top and

that platform was buttressed by other

very large stones that were that were

finally cut sometimes bassalt. I've I've

seen some of these stones in Sardinia

and I've been to the island a few times

researching the towers and giants

and um aside from the towers, these

megalithic towers, you also have

megalithic tombs which are called to

this day the tombs of the giants

and you can go and visit them. There

were um there's 800 of them extent today

and archaeologists believe there were

many more in the past. Someone knows

exactly how many, but often times it

seems to me that the towers and the

tombs are closely associated. They

fulfill a function I think that is um

that is inter interrelated

and the megalithic tombs of the giants,

the legends in according to legend in

Sardinia,

uh they were associated with the bodies

of giants. But of course today you have

armchair archaeologists who say that's

just a myth. There's you couldn't even

fit bodies inside of these tombs. Yes,

you could. I mean, none of these guys

have ever bothered to go to Sardinia

with a with a tape measure. I did. And

yes, you can. You can you can fit the

bodies of nine 8 n 10 foot tall guys in

these tombs without a problem. And

there's two different styles of

megalithic tombs in Sardinia. You have

the steelely style which it's um

it's there's a large steely stone, a

monolithic stone in the front with a

little doorway in it. And a doorway is

almost like a little doggy door at the

bottom,

but it's big enough. I mean, a a young

person could crawl through it. Uh and

then you have the triilathon doorway,

this style of megalithic tomb, which is

a larger doorway. You still have to,

like a guy my size would still have to

bend down to get inside. But the tombs

are configured the same. They're shaped

the same. These two different styles.

And what a lot of people misunderstand

about the tombs is the tombs were not

built to house the bodies of giants.

They were built on top of the interred

giant.

So the giant was inhumed beneath the

tomb. It was buried beneath the tomb and

then the edifice was built on top. So

that opening

>> where are you getting this information?

Oh,

>> this is known in Sardinia. Um I spent a

lot of time researching the the the

tombs of the giants in Sardinia and

talking to various experts. Um

>> and who are these experts like local

historians like what

>> some of them? Yeah. One there's there's

you can go to the um you can also go to

the museums in Sardinia and read a lot

of this stuff. Um, now the I have a

friend named Paula Loy who's uh she's a

she's a I think she's the best tour

guide in Sardinia and she's extremely

knowledgeable about all this stuff. She

take you to the museum and you walk

through all of this information with her

and they have little models in the

museum

of the the tombs of the giants. And

there's a legend in Sardinia that it's

that it's it's called the it's called

the right of incubation.

And this is a necroantic right that was

practiced by the Sardinians. And it

describes the purpose of the tombs. So

the tombs when you walk into the tombs,

again, they're megalithic. The walls are

megalithic. Some pretty large stones

incorporated in these tombs. When you

walk into the tombs, there's a gallery

inside and the the gallery is rather

large. You could fit a body vagina in

there, but that's beside the point

because that's not the purpose of the

tomb. The purpose of the tomb of the

gallery inside the tomb is to

uh is for the it's to accommodate a

young person during a right of passage.

And dur in during the bronze age, you're

talking about boys from 12 to 14 years

old, right? generally speaking. And they

would go into the tomb alone and they

would be sealed in the tomb. So that

little doggy door that's in the stelle,

the steely version of the tombs of the

giants, they would crawl in there and

then they would be sealed inside. And

there's a little um on most of those

steelely tombs, there's a little hole at

the top as well. So there's so it's not

like they're they're sealed in there and

they can't breathe or anything. No, they

they they would go in there and they

would spend some days in the tomb alone.

>> This is what it looks like.

>> That's one of the doors with the steely

monolithic stone. And they're all shaped

the same. It's hard to tell because

they've been disassembled. Many of them

have been disassembled.

But you can see they're the triilon.

That's a triilon tomb.

That's a that's something else. That's a

well. Um but the tombs are all sh you

can see down there. See right the

picture right below that one. There you

go. See how the tombs are shaped?

>> Yeah.

>> Now, that's how all these tombs are

shaped that way. This has to do with the

right of incubation. So, the young

person would go inside the gallery.

They'd be sealed inside that young boy,

and they would The purpose of this was

to incubate inside of the gallery in

order to be empowered and energized by

the spirit of the mighty one buried

beneath the tomb. And again, according

to legend, the mighty ones were giants.

So I don't think it's coincidental that

the tombs are actually shaped like a

womb. If you look at that the the the

view of the tomb from above.

Originally when I was um researching

this in Sardinia I thought it was shaped

like a bull's head which would be

something like uh the iconographic of

Molech or something like that

Canaanitish.

But I I realized that actually this is

shaped like a womb. The tomb looks like

a womb. If you pull up a womb, you'll

see what I mean. It looks it looks like

a womb, shaped like a womb. And and this

was to accommodate the right of

incubation.

And so these young people, the idea is

they're in there, they are communing,

incubating in the presence of the dead

hero buried beneath and they're

absorbing their spirit, their prowess.

And then the tomb is unsealed and the

young person emerges from the womb as it

were.

It's like a new birth. They're now they

went in a boy. They're now coming out a

man empowered by the spirit of the of

their ancestral heroes. So these are

these are called to this day the tombs

of the giants. Now you can say, well

that's just that's just mythology.

That's just Sardinian legend. The

problem is

you can interview people or at least you

could in times past interview Sardinians

all across the island who have

themselves dug up the bones of giants or

encountered the bones of giants in in in

some kind of a in some context usually

around the towers the Nuragi towers. I

interviewed dozens of people in

Sardinia, most of them elderly,

who had themselves encountered the bo

the bones of giants in in different

contexts while plowing in fields. They

they they pull up bones [snorts] or they

would find the bones in the tombs or

whatever. And it's very easy to dismiss

the whole thing as well, they were just

digging up megapona, right? The bones of

mastadons and giant sloths. The problem

is some of these bones had jewelry. Some

of them had had Roman coins associated

with them. Some of them had rings on the

fingers and necklaces around the the the

neck, the collar and and they would

actually the the the and the most of

these were old-timers because um

this doesn't it's not really happening

anymore in Sardinia. This is something

that was happening in the 60s, 50s, 40s,

30s and and back. But especially between

like post World War II when the island

was undergoing a process of

industrialization and they were building

new roads and and and digging for

foundations and stuff. They were they

were digging up the bones of giants. And

there's a um there's a particular church

called Santa Anastasia in Sardinia.

Uh and it's in the region of Sada. And I

interviewed two gentlemen in in

Sardinia. Two guys who were officially

employed by the municipality and by the

university of Kajetti. Kajetti is the

capital city of Sardinia. They were

specifically employed to excavate the

ruins, the neurogic ruins on the

premises of the church of Santanastasia.

Santastasia is a small little Catholic

church. But if you go there, you'll see

that even today you can see the remains

of a neurogic settlement there. There's

a there there are Nuragi towers there.

It's just it's it's an archaeological

site. And these two individuals, one of

them, his name was Jeppe, the other's

name was Roberto. And Jeppe worked there

from um he worked there from I believe

it was uh 1979 to 1981. And then Roberto

worked there from 1982 to 1984.

Both of these guys employed officially

in an official capacity from the

municipality of Sada to do this

excavation.

And so they would be their the protocol

was you go and you excavate the ruins

and all the artifacts you find get put

into the church. So all the artifacts

went into the church of Santastasia. And

you can see this church by the way if

you pull it up it's called Sant

Anastasia in Sardinia. And all the bones

were put into the church. All the

artifacts were put into the church.

And among the artifacts that were being

collected were the skeletons of giants

and not mastadons, not giants.

>> Photographs of these things.

>> These guys they well of course not but

these guys were uh very reluctant to

talk to us. The one guy Roberto was very

nervous. He said we were told never to

talk about this. This never happened.

Again this was back in the 80s. He

didn't think anything of it. He wasn't

told go to Santa Anastasia and and look

for the bones of giants. He was just

told go excavate the site. He was one of

the excavators at Santastasia. And the

whole thing was being

um the whole thing was being supervised

by the municipality and the and the

university and and he dug up personally.

He said he dug up the bodies, two

bodies, 10 foot tall guys, full

skeletons, and he laid them out in the

these ones he laid out in the courtyard

of the church. And he said he he

notified the people in Kajetti of the

discovery. And what would happen is all

the artifacts that would go into the

church or in this case outside of the

church, somebody would come at night and

take them all away. So they get there in

the morning, all the artifacts are gone.

He didn't know where they went. Um the

other individual, Jeppe, he also

excavated giants from Santastasia.

various various uh artifacts related to

the giants, gigantic plates, gigantic

cups and goblets, chalicees. Um they

excavated they excavated a lot of

different artifacts, rings and and and

earrings and necklaces and all kinds of

all manner of artifacts. And he told me

that he remembers a particular case in

which he and his wife his wife was

helping on this particular day. They're

excavating in the ruins and they found a

skull that was so large. He said the

skulls were three to four times larger

than ours. He found this skull that was

very large and it had part of the

vertebrae attached. Some of these

remains were not just skeletal. There

was like almost like mummified.

And and he and his wife together carried

it into the church. He told me that

while they were digging, they they

unsealed a compartment

inside of one of the towers. There's

this large room that was sealed like the

it was just it had collapsed or whatever

it was sealed and they opened it up and

they went inside and there was a giant

this very large person sitting at a

table and and there were there's a

really large plate and a oversized

chalice there and and he even had he was

eating oysters and muscles and clams

that were still on the plate and he was

very large. I mean, these guys are

they're when I say large, they're 9 to

12 feet tall. That's how tall these guys

are. And they were it was remarkable. He

was extremely well preserved and because

apparently he had been almost like

hermetically sealed in this thing. And

so they they took all the artifacts and

the bones and put them into the church

and the next day they were all gone. I

mean, this was the procedure. It was the

these guys uncovered a lot of

interesting stuff at those at that that

one particular

um that one particular excavation at the

church of Santastasia in Sard in Sarda

and he they were filling the church up

with so many artifacts that Jeppe told

me that he went over to the mayor and he

told the mayor is there anywhere else

that we can put these bones these

artifacts because we're running out of

space in the church

and he was surprised at the mayor's

response. The mayor looked at him and

said, "Mind your own effing business.

Put the artifacts in the church and shut

your mouth." So, um, these are the kind

of stories I would hear all the time in

Sardinia. I mean, I could go on and on

and on. I talked to one guy that was,

uh, Sai Vergilio was his name. He was

100 years old. Very, um, very

interesting guy. And Sai had, uh, been

on a site when he was a young man. He he

he told me a couple of stories, but he

told me that he was he was he was

working in a vineyard one time and they

were excavating and this they weren't

excavating, they were they were tilling

the soil to plant a vineyard. And

[snorts] as they're tilling the soil,

they start to dig up bones and they

realize these are very large skeletal

remains.

And they were they found like 20 of them

and they were laying on top of each

other in a crisscross pattern.

And so as soon as they started to find

these bones, the owner of the vineyard

said, "Stop. Stop. I have to notify the

authorities." So he notifies the

authorities and he came back to the

workers and said, "You guys have to get

out of here. The authorities are coming.

You have to leave now." And Sai said

that everyone left, but he hid in the

bushes until everyone had left. And he

went back to work in the field because

he wanted he said, "I needed the money

and I wanted to actually get paid for

the day's wage." So I went back and I

worked and I kept tilling the field and

he said all of a sudden

well the the owner of the field came

back and he said, "What are you doing

here? I told you to leave." And he said,

"I needed the money, so I'm going to

keep working." And the guy said, "No,

no, I'll pay you double. Just get out of

here." And while they're talking, the

government guys pull up. And they they

pull up in some various vans and they

come out and they they start taking

pictures of all the bones

and they they take pictures of the bones

of these skele skeletal remains that are

laying in these cross configurations and

then they load them all into the vans

and then they went up into the nearby

nur. There was a uh a nur there, one of

these megalithic towers, and they were

inside the new ra looking at something,

taking pictures, and so I said that they

they sealed up like with cement, they

sealed up this this um tunnel, this this

something inside of it.

And then they and then they left.

And I heard dozens of these kind of

stories in Sardinia. Dozens. These

people have no reason to lie to me. I

mean, these are most of these are

old-timers. They we didn't pay them. Um,

they they you know, they live out in the

country. I don't know if you've ever

been ever been to Sardinia. It's it's

it's it's like going back in time in

Italy. These are very simple people that

live out in the country, but as I said

earlier, the bones, these giants are

being found with artifacts.

Sorry to interrupt, but I'm looking at a

story, but they're they're talking about

finding skeletons there. They're calling

them skeletons. They're calling them

giants, but they're referring to

statues. And they're

>> those are the the giants of Monte Prada.

Those are um

>> those different

>> those are statues. Those are giants of

Monte Pra.

>> I there's I mean there's news articles.

Goes back to the 70s.

>> Yeah, those are just statues. Yeah,

those are in a museum there.

>> But they call them skeletons is the only

thing I was saying. So there's like a

little

>> No, they're they're they're stone.

They're in the museum. I know

>> they're about seven feet tall, I think.

Um, some people wonder if those are

actually

>> uncovered skeletons. I saw another

article here where it said like they

found two giant skulls, but they're

talking about

>> the statues.

>> Yeah, those some people wonder if those

statues actually represented the, you

know, the the anatomical proportions of

the giants. I I don't know. I don't know

that that's the case, but yeah, that's

about all you're going to hear if you go

through. just seems insane that there's

not [snorts] a photo something of all

these things or that some wealthy crazy

person didn't get a hold of someone and

say, "Listen, I'll give you $10 million.

Get me a hand." You know, I want to put

it in a glass case in my house. We know

that they've done that with Egyptian

stuff. Like a lot of Egyptian artifacts

have been pilered.

>> Yep. Artifacts from Lot of artifacts

from Peru.

>> Yes. Central and South America. Yeah,

there's a there's a very robust black

market,

>> which is so wild. Like, who are these

people that have these things?

>> That's a good question. Well, I was told

in Sardinia, they told me that in some

cases they

the the bones were confiscated.

Um, they were gathered up and thrown

into into vehicles and carted away. Um,

Sai told me another story where he was

digging a foundation for a house. He and

he and an associate [snorts] and they

they came upon a very large sarcophagus

and they pried it open and he said there

was a body of a very large person

inside. And it had a black it was

wearing some sort of black fabric. And

there were coins uh that that were uh

that were minted from um Antoninus pious

the Roman emperor from that time. And

they reported there was a local priest

and they told the priest that they found

a body, right? Like we found a dead

body. What do we do? And so the priest

came over and he looked down in the pit.

He said, "Give me the coins." They gave

him the coins. He said, 'Break the bones

up and and and distribute them in the

foundation of the house. I mean, this

was, you know, if you went to Sardinia

today, I think you you you would think

to yourself, okay, yeah, I can see how

there's no one's taking pictures or

anything over here. This is like going

way back in time in Italy, especially

um especially back in the 40s, 50s, and

60s when most of these things happened.

Now the the excavations at Santastasia

happened in the late '7s, early 80s, but

all these other stories are coming from

the you know 60s, '50s, 40s. So um I I

mean there was just so many people who I

talked to you know random people would

tell me as I interviewed them that oh

yeah yeah I was digging in my basement

one time and you know years ago and and

and I dug up a hand. It was it was a

hand five fingers and you know it was it

was three times the size of my hand. No,

that's

>> five fingers.

>> Yeah, that's random. That could just be,

you know, megapon or something. I don't

know how many what a giant sloth hand

looks like or whatever. And let me say

this, there is no question, none, no

question,

>> that a lot of the accounts that you hear

about giants, not the ones associated

with coins and jewelry, but a lot of the

accounts that you hear about giants and

the skeletons of giants, they do have

prosaic explanations. A lot of them do

end up being megapana bones, especially

giant sloths and stuff like that. There

was a case in Peru, actually was in

Ecuador. This is referenced in the

Chronicles of Peru that there's a place

called Santa Elena, and it's the p it's

a peninsula in in Ecuador.

And um there's various chronicers who

talk about this and these are the

chronicers who chronicle the the history

of the conquest of Peru. you know, the

the Piso and the and the Conquistadors

who defeated the Inca and and

they say that, you know, there was a

race of giants that there was giants

came the natives told the concistadors

and and the chronicers that according to

legend, giants came over the sea on

large reedboats.

And these giants were were they were

very very large and they had they had

red hair and uh some of them were naked

and some of them were dressed in in in

um very primitive clothing and they

landed on the shores of Santena, one of

the places they landed and they began to

terrorize the local population. The the

the indigenous people hated them because

they were they were eating all of the

food. I mean they they they the natives

said that they consumed 50 times um the

the amount of food is as a regular sized

person [snorts]

and and so the natives hated them. They

said that the giants built these deep

wells. They dug these really deep wells

which you could still see. The

concisador said we could still see them

today. They built these houses with very

large blocks and huge beams of wood

which were still there when the

concisadors were writing about this in

the in the 16th and or 17th and 18th

centuries.

And and according to legend, these

giants, they were sodomites and they

didn't have any women with them

[clears throat] and they were basically

struck down by God. And um the natives

have that and other legends regarding

giants being destroyed by God in various

ways. But it turns out that Santena

is

it's one of the the most um important

sites for megapona bones and there's

tons of megapon especially giant sloths.

So you have lots of megapona bones in

Santaena.

And I have no doubt that the the the the

natives and um

the people living during that time um in

the aftermath of the conquest of of the

Inca Empire thought that those were the

bones of giants.

>> Right. Because there was no giant sloths

alive at that time.

>> Exactly. and and and in some of the

accounts you can see where they're

saying in the giants and and you know we

we uncovered a giant that was had a

deformed body and I thought oh that's

probably a it's probably a giant sloth

or something right so yeah there's a lot

of that unquestionably and you have to

be very careful as a researcher and in

the beginning I when I when I I this was

years ago when I first started out

researching this stuff I made the

mistake of of of just taking that story

literally and believing oh yeah they

were digging up bones of giants Santaena

until I realized that that is like one

of the best places in the world to find

megapona bones. So obviously you have to

concede to the facts of reality. They're

digging up megapona there. However,

however,

there are other stories that come from

the chronicles in Peru where there's no

way they're talking about megapana.

And these stories come from the same

chronicers who from which we derive from

the same text from which we derive the

history of the conquest of Peru. The

same guys

like Bernab Kobo and Antonio de La

Kalancha and Pedro Sesa DeLeon all of

the you know the famous chroniclers.

And there's one case in particular I

find very intriguing. There's lots of

them. By the way, when I was in I was I

lived in Peru for 10 years at some point

and and then later on I went back to

Peru and doing various investigations

when I was looking into this, making

documentaries about giants. And when I

was in Peru, I was in Puno some years

ago, probably back in 2015, 2016, I was

in Puno and I met with an archaeologist

in Puno. His name was Edmundo de Laa,

very well-known archaeologist.

And um I asked him, "Hey, are there any

accounts of giants in the historical

records here?" And he said, "Yeah, I

think there's a there's a couple

accounts of giants."

And I said, "Okay." He said, "I I don't

think there's many, but I think there's

a couple." Okay. Well, the next morning,

he comes walking into my hotel in the

lobby, and he's got a big smile on his

face, and he hands me a disc

and he said, "I went after we talked, I

went into the archives." They have

access to the digital archives. and I

did a word search to try and see if I

could find some of these accounts of

giants. He said, "I cannot believe how

many references to giants there are in

the Chronicles." And he handed me the

disc and I I I opened the files and

indeed there were many. Now, some of

them were in reference to Santelena.

But some of them were much more

remarkable. For example, I'll give you

one example here.

There was a a Jesuit priest named Pablo

Jose Ariaga who was going around Peru

and he wrote a book called the

exterpation of idolatry in Peru. I think

it was 1602

and he's he's going around Peru with the

what are called which were called the

BCadores who were the these were um

officials. There were clergymen that

were dispatched to Peru

who were extrepating idolatry. These

were the they were very fair at these

people, these BCor, these official um

idolatry hunters basically because they

were brutal. And what they would do is

they would go with the priests into the

villages. They would find out what are

the natives worshiping and then they

would destroy it and then force convert

the popula the population.

And they they chronicled everything.

They they everything they found because

they had to. This was an official

assignment, right? So they chronicle

everything that they find. This village,

they go to this village, they're

worshiping this. We we we broke it into

pieces or we burned it in the fire. And

these are official records. And among

these records, and this is this comes

from, as I said, Pablo Jose Ariaga, but

also later on Antonio de la Kalancha,

who is a austinian monk. Um it enlarges

the story. He expands on the story using

other documents including uh um

including um Kal um um Ariyaga's version

and the story goes that Ariyaga and

Bicadores they went into the village and

they were led they inquired what are

what are you worshiping where are your

gods and the indigenous people of Peru

they they worshiped wakas and the waka

could be anything it could be an idol it

could be a mountain, it could be a hill,

it was just wacas. Even to this day,

they call them wacas. And so they

inquired, "Where are your wacas?" And

they led them to the other side of the

village where there was a large cave.

And they go into the cave. And when they

went in there, they they record that

there were many dead Gentiles.

And among them were two giants

dressed in kumbi and they were

enshrined.

Now that's very interesting. Kumbi.

>> Kumbi is a very fine fabric

that is um it was it was used

exclusively by the Inca nobility. In

fact, it was illegal for any anyone else

to wear kumbi. Only the Inca nobility

could wear kumbi. This very fine fabric.

So, it's very ceremonial and it belongs

by law to the noble class. So, these

indigenous people, they can't wear

kumbi. But yet they dressed these two

uh and and it said that the bodies were

were well preserved almost like

mummified. They dressed these two giants

in kumbi

and they were enshrined in this tomb.

And so when they realized that they were

worshiping these giants, these dead

giants and the natives told them that

these were their ancestors, these were

their progenitors. That's what they told

the the bicadores of idolatry. They took

the bodies out of the tomb and they

burned them in the village.

Now, that's very interesting to me

because you have two

um bodies, not just skeletal remains,

bodies of giants decayed with time, but

still quite well preserved, dressed in

kumbi. This doesn't sound like a giant

sloth to me. This doesn't sound like a

mastadon. This is something else. And it

corresponds to all the legends among the

natives there in in Peru regarding the

existence of giants who were their

progenitors.

So those are just those are some

historical details, some historical

accounts that I find very intriguing.

>> Well, there's so many of them. That's

what's weird. And is there's also this

very bizarre desire that people have of

destroying things from the past. Yeah.

Uh we find that with uh I mean the

Taliban did that. You know,

>> there's there's a bunch of different

incredible archaeological sites that

were destroyed by past civilizations. We

we just talked the other day about um

the the Kyasa temple in India about how

they tried to destroy that for a couple

years. They sent a thousand people and

they could barely put a dent in it.

>> Who was trying to destroy that?

>> Oh, who was it, Jamie? Do we remember?

>> Didn't like it. I don't know [laughter]

>> some some uh [clears throat]

>> warlord or general or something. I I'll

find out

>> who they they came upon this temple that

they they didn't like that someone else

had built it and someone else owned it

and someone else had constructed it.

Yeah. You know the [clears throat] Kyasa

temple that was built entirely out of

stone.

>> Yeah. The one that was built like

literally carved into the ground

>> into the side of the mountain.

>> Yeah.

>> Emperor. Say that name. You could say

it. You're really good with words.

>> Mugal was what's his name? Looks like

Mughal to me. I've never heard of that.

>> What's the second word? Orang.

>> I don't know.

>> Orang.

>> Orang.

>> Historical figure widely reported to

have ordered the destruction of the

Kyasa temple in 1682. However, his

mission failed because the monolithic

temple was carved top down from a single

solid volcanic rock. His army could only

disfigure some sculptures before giving

up.

>> Oh, this was in 1682. Yeah.

>> Yeah. But it's just wild that people

have always had this inclination to

destroy old fascinating things.

>> Yeah, that's right. Especially you find

this. What's really sad is in Central

America among the Aztec, the Maya, there

were many codeexes of the Aztec and the

Maya that were intentionally destroyed

by by um by the the Catholic Church by

various agents of the Catholic Church

would intentionally destroy these

codeexes. Could you imagine the

information that was stored in those

things? Well, how about the Library of

Alexandria?

>> Yeah.

>> I mean, who knows what was in there and

and they burnt that several times,

right?

>> It's um

>> there's the historical accounts in North

America are are interesting because

there's actual newspaper stories from

God, was it like I believe it's the

1800s. What do Do you know what I'm

talking about?

>> Yeah.

>> There are all kinds of newspaper stories

about giants in the 1800s. newspaper

stories about giant skeletons that have

been discovered and excavated.

>> Yes. From the mid 1800s to the early

1900s.

>> And somehow or another, they all relate

to the Smithsonian.

>> Most of them are associated with the

mountains and the mound builders. There

were thousands of mounds east of the

Mississippi. I mean, uh, people don't

realize how many of these mounds there

were. And these are, you know, the

monumental mounds and earthwork. Some of

them still stand today. Not all of them

are burial mounds. You have different

kinds of mounds. Some of them are

effiges. Some of them are platform

mounds, but many of them are burial

mounds. And many of them contain contain

very prosaic things like the bones of

native people. But some of them were

said to have contained some very very

interesting artifacts. And among those

artifacts were the bones of giants

according to the newspaper reports. Now

>> see if you can find

>> there's a lot of them from the 1800s.

>> Yeah. I mean 10 ft high. 1872.

>> Yes.

>> Yeah. Especially in the in the latter

part of the 1800s.

>> How tall was it, Jimmy?

>> I mean, it's just it's a

>> giant over 10 feet high according to

Lewis and Richard Collins history

history of Kentucky.

>> Now, the the contention is, of course,

that that these are wildly exaggerated

and that the newspapers were engaging in

in hyperbole.

And that's true to some extent. I have

no problem with that. I think

>> hoaxes. I've brought this up.

>> Some of them were hoaxes. A whole lot of

hoaxes out there.

>> Sure. Some of them are hoaxes and they

and then you know these are the

periodicals of the United States at the

time were very competitive.

>> What is that photo? Is that [ __ ]

That far-left photo?

>> Yeah.

>> Now now that far left one

>> that one was actually that's a disputed

one. Um some people believe that that

one is in fact um was proven a hoax.

Other people think there might be a

conspiracy that in fact it wasn't a hoax

because it was actually on display for a

while. Um I don't I don't know. I don't

think there's any way to know but um so

many articles during that time were

discussing these astounding dis

discoveries of the bones of giants and

mountains. In fact, um I don't know if

you're aware, but even it it appears

that even Abraham Lincoln references

this in some lecture notes. He was

waxing poetically in some lecture notes

about Niagara Falls. And he says in

those notes, you can still read them

today. You can pull them up and read

them now.

He says, "The the eyes of that extinct

species of giants whose bones fill the

mounds of America have gazed upon

Niagara as ours do now." Those are from

Lincoln's lecture notes.

>> Really?

>> I believe it's 1845, the date of those

notes.

>> Oh, I got to read that.

>> And now, now here's the contention.

Okay, this is interesting because here's

the contention.

>> Okay,

>> the contention is that he was talking

about mastadons and and um mammoths

megapona,

>> right? Um, that's what people say

because he does mention Macedon and and

and the mammoth later on in in the in

the lecture in the speech. However, what

they won't tell you is before he

mentions that, he's talking he's in a

biblical context

and he's talking about he references

uh Jesus and Moses and Adam right before

he references the giants whose bones are

found in the mounds of America. See, so

the eyes of that species of extinct

giants whose bones filled the mounds of

America have gazed upon Niagara as ours

do now. Contemporary with the whole race

of men older than the first man. Niagara

as strong and fresh to today as 10,000

years ago. The mammoth and Macedon now

so long dead that fragments of their

monstrous bones alone testify that they

ever lived have gazed upon gazed on

Niagara

in that long long time never still for a

single moment never dried never froze

never slept never rested that seems like

he's talking about mastadons it very

well he very well could be

>> talking about the thousands of miles of

water that they all would have seen

>> well he could be talking about mastadons

and mammoth. But look what he references

before he gets to the giants. Christ and

Moses.

>> Where's that?

>> And Adam.

>> He says there's still more. It calls up

an indefinite past. When Columbus first

sought this continent, when Christ

suffered on the cross, when Moses led

Israel through the Red Sea, nay, even

when Adam was made

>> and he's talking in a, you know,

>> right? So here he's invisible.

>> Came from the hand of his maker. And as

now Niagara was roaring here, the eyes

of that species of extinct giants whose

bones filled the mounds of America.

That's what's weird. Now listen,

>> the bones filled the mounds of America.

>> So here's the question. Did

were the mounds of America filled with

the bones of Macedons and and giant

sloths? And

>> no,

>> no, they weren't. Now, there have been

some fragments of bones from mammoths

and mastadons found in the mountains.

That's true. They were they looked to be

um ritual pieces that people were buried

with that were used for ceremonial

purposes or something like that. Maybe

some of them were carved ornately, but

like people weren't digging up the

skeletons of giant sloths and mastadons

and mammoths in the mounds routinely.

That was it was very rare,

>> right? But it seems like if you found

dead giants in the mounds that it would

be more specific, you would talk about

it more than just that. I don't know.

>> I don't know either.

>> The reference is is is ambiguous. So,

we're left to wonder, is he talking

about dead giants

>> in the biblical context, which he's

clearly in a biblical context before he

gets there, or is he talking about

Macedons?

>> And the issue is that there are giants

in the Bible.

>> And also that when he wrote when he

pinned this these lecture notes, there

were newspaper articles circulating in

the United States announcing the

discovery of the bones of giants in the

mountains.

>> Right. So, it's a it's a it's it's up

for debate. I don't know the answer.

>> There's got to be somebody who works at

the Smithsonian

that is sick of this.

>> Yeah.

>> There's got to be someone. We need that

guy.

>> There's got to be some whistleblower

>> that just take your [ __ ] camera

phone, [laughter]

>> get down there and film something, man.

It just it seems like if there really

are

some remnants of some of these things

and then the thing that's interesting is

you know what is the uh museum that John

Reeves has issue with

>> the National American History Museum. I

think I don't it's I know it's in

Manhattan. I don't

>> So my friend John Reeves are you aware

of him? He owns the the boneyard in

Alaska.

>> No.

>> Okay.

>> So, this this area of Ala John's a minor

and uh he Museum of Natural History. So,

he's a minor and he bought this land in

um Alaska and they're doing gold mining

and they're blasting into the perafrost

with hoses and they have found an

enormous amount of mammoths.

>> Yeah.

um cave bears, animals that weren't even

supposed to be living in Alaska at the

time. So now they have to like

reformulate their idea of what the

population of this this these lands were

at this time, but also a layer of like

dark carbon that indicates there there

was some sort of an event. All of this

is sub 10,000 years ago. So he's finding

I mean he has warehouses and this is

like fully go to the boneyard Instagram

please.

>> He he has warehouses of this stuff that

he's pulled out of the ground. He won't

let anyone take it because the Museum of

Natural History has some of this stuff

from the previous owners. They have tons

of it and they would not release it to

him even though it's his property.

>> So this is I mean he's finding enormous

mastadon skeletons. mammoth tusks.

>> I mean, they find tons of them. Tons. I

mean, he has warehouses. He built a

scientific research facility there, and

he's like, "People can come here and

study it, but I'm not letting any Post

Malone was there." Shout out to Post.

>> Uh, Mastadon teeth and bones. He

actually gave me this. This is a mammoth

tooth that they take some of these

things and they they carve artwork into

him, which to me,

>> very cool.

>> The artwork is kind of [ __ ] It's kind

of weird that they do that cuz it's

>> But this is a m This is like a petrified

mastadon tooth.

>> A mer rather.

>> Wow. That is really cool.

>> Yeah. Amazing.

Yeah. So this is all from his property.

So I mean

>> So why why is there such a distribution

of uh megapona bones there? His belief

is that there was some sort of a mass

extinction event that happened

whatever year it was, you know, that

that coincides with the younger dry

impact theory. And he and when 11,000 BC

>> Yeah. And when he's had some of these

things tested and dated, they do they're

they're post they're around this time.

And he thinks that there was some sort

of a mass extinction event and the

flooding led them all to be washed away

into this one very particular area

because it's a a deep concentration of

these bones. Too many that seem to have

died around the same time and all

preserved. So it seems like because

they're preserved in the perafrost that

this is something that happened this

enormous event. the bodies are washed

down into this one area and because of