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>> We're uh

>> What's with the gold? What's going on?

>> Give me a smile. [laughter]

>> Oh, you got it. Top and bottom, man.

What did you do?

>> It's amazing. [laughter]

>> I've always wanted to have money so I

could get one of these when I was

[laughter] a kid growing up. Now, is

that one of the ones you could take out

or is it Okay, that's good.

>> Cuz that's such a commitment. You know,

[laughter]

one day you got to go to the White

House,

right?

>> You got diamonds and gold in your teeth.

That's crazy.

>> It might be your first time, you know.

>> How does it fit? It's like like a

retainer.

>> Yeah. So, they they fit it. They mold

it. Um I got it done in in uh Dallas,

actually. And uh they just fit it, mold

it to your teeth, and then you could pop

them in. It's almost like wearing a

retainer.

>> Texas loves grills. Yeah, they love

grills.

[laughter]

>> We got to get Paul.

>> Yeah, Paul Wall say he's gonna hook us

up.

>> He's going.

>> Yeah, I'm not sure.

>> I just I remember [laughter]

what was the one episode with uh Theo

and uh you asked about the headphones

and he was he said something like uh

it's like sitting there with the with

the with the with the condom and uh and

then she's just looking at you or I

forget exactly how the joke goes, but it

was it was funny. It's like one of Theo

Von's greatest um moments where he says

all these things. He was like when I

when I feel like saying it, I just write

it down. I don't know if you saw this

clip, but it's

>> I mean, I'm sure I was there when it

happened, but he says so many ridiculous

things. I can't remember. Here it goes.

>> Oh, here we I didn't see you put it on.

I

>> feel like I'm alone here. [laughter]

Land.

>> Yeah, it is weird, huh?

>> Now you're back. It's like when you put

a condom on and then the other person's

just still looking at their phone.

You're like, [laughter] "Oh, this is

weird."

And the person I mean is a woman, too.

>> You got you got to tell everybody, huh?

>> Well, I'm just saying. [laughter] I'm

just saying.

>> There he is.

>> Yeah. That's why we said the the

headphones, I just that just came to my

head like immediately.

>> Yeah. I Sometimes I have them off,

sometimes I have them on, but it's

better to have them on. You It locks you

in. Locks you in, you know?

>> I feel that. Did you watch the UFC this

past weekend? The Apex?

>> Um, [sighs and gasps]

I watched the main event coming.

>> Bro, the main event

is legit.

>> I wasn't too sure about him, but now I'm

very sure

>> as a man who has one of the best back

controls in the sport. You

>> You had to appreciate that back control.

>> Oh, it was amazing. He took him down,

which I was kind of surprised. I was

like, why is he going for the take down?

>> Crazy.

>> Proving a point.

>> Proving a point because his standup is

so sick, too. Yeah,

>> that guy's so complete, man.

>> Did you do that to Gamerock?

>> That's what I was going to say. Crazy.

>> He's a sick grappler in his own right. I

thought he was going to get out that one

that one moment where he had the leg uh

hiked up, he had the ankle,

>> and all he had to do is swim inside, but

he kept it too long, allowed him to hit

the ground, and he was able to readjust

and uh lock in that that figured four

and it was over.

>> Well, when he reached over and grabbed

the far arm and used that to hang on to

the back, like that is slick.

>> Yes,

>> that was slick. He was he was [ __ ]

slick, man. And just just very high

level. Everything was like like an

elevated level. I was I had a very high

opinion of him before the fight, but now

I'm like, "Oh, this dude could do it. He

knows the ball. He knows the ball."

>> I was I was I was really surprised with

that. And the fact that it went so

quick. All his fights have been in the

first round.

>> And these scrambles these scrambles from

this position. Now, generally in this

position, it's so hard to keep back

control. Like right here, grabbing the

arm and this adjustment, bro, that's

that's really skillful.

>> There's a seat belt.

>> Yeah,

>> just the way he's able to adjust.

Gamerock's trying everything, but once

he gets to that position, it's over.

You're you're back

>> you're back in his uh backpack and

>> he's got a lot going on, man. He's first

of all real tall for the weight class. I

think he's over six feet tall.

>> Long, excellent reach, excellent strike.

The other thing that he did that was

really slick. He pretended to get up off

of his back so Gamerock explodes and he

exposes his neck right there. Watch

that. Back that up just a touch. What?

Look at that. This is so slick. Like

look, he's hanging on his back. They're

struggling and he said, "Let me just sit

up and he'll sit up." Bam. Right there.

That's so nasty. [laughter]

>> This is slick as [ __ ] man.

>> That's so slick. That's such a good

sneaky move cuz the guy's like, "Oh, now

is my time to you know those moments

where you feel like you can move like he

got he you give you some space like I'm

going to go and then I'm I'm anytime I'm

in training and someone has my back I

always try to make sure I'm always aware

of the choke. Matt always says always

protect the choke first and that's the

main thing I always try to focus on.

protect the choke first before you start

doing anything else. That's crazy cuz at

the end of the day, it just takes that

little split second to get under the

neck and that could be the fight.

>> Yeah. It's like sometimes people just

get they they they get a little too

urgent, you know? They get a little too

they just want to make something happen

without just being safe all the time.

Always be safe.

>> And that's then in Gamerock's situation

right there. That was the moment because

who knows if he could have made it out

of that position and survived all those

choke attempts and got to the next

round. Who knows, you know, and if he

got on top, who knows? And Sal,

>> I mean, you presume he has great

endurance. You presume, but we really

don't know yet.

>> We have no wild unknown about him.

That's why I'm just like, I don't know

how good he actually is, but I can tell

you what first round he's a

[ __ ]

>> He's a [ __ ]

>> That guy is good. It's interesting like

these guys that that have the unknowns,

you know, like some guys get really f

like Tom Aspenol come becomes

heavyweight champion of the world and

it's kind of an unknown whether he can

fight in the fourth and fifth rounds.

Kind of crazy, right? We just know he's

a blitzer. We know he's big and fast,

but we really rarely see him get out of

the first round.

>> Yeah.

>> Kind of nuts.

>> It's um it's a gift and a curse,

>> right? That's a good way to put it

because you get both your paychecks. you

get done [laughter] really really early,

but then if you get into the, you know,

run into the wrong one and the fight

starts to get tough, you don't know if

you can actually push that envelope cuz

training is different.

>> That is the most [ __ ] part of the

UFC, you get both your paychecks. [ __ ]

off.

>> [ __ ] off with that. I hate it. That

drives me nuts.

>> I know the boss. We could talk to him.

>> He's not going to listen. [laughter] He

would I've said this a hundred times

already.

>> It should be you get paid what you get

paid. It shouldn't be. First of all, if

if judges were perfect every time, maybe

you could make an argument for that, but

I still don't think you should make an

argument for that because I think guys

fight as hard as they can to win.

There's no one who's fighting harder

because you think you're going to get a

win bonus. You know, you're fighting as

hard as you possibly can

>> at the highest level.

>> And so, it's you're not incentivizing

people to fight harder. You're just

you're you're giving too much of their

career, too much of their future, too

much of their their actual like how are

they going to feed their family to the

whims of people that sometimes get it

wrong. 100%. I I I do remember one

incident where I was situation I should

say where I was going to fight harder

and that was UFC 300 against Calvin

Kedar when Dana announced the bonuses

were going to be 300,000 and I got super

pumped up and everyone always points to

they go you got so excited and then you

went there and you fought like that. I

go, listen, it's it takes two to tango.

If he wants to sit there and hold me,

it's not much I could do. I can't really

just fight. I thought about like, I'm

going to just go out there and just

start swinging for the fences and take

him down and maybe get a crazy finish.

And it didn't go that way. But

>> I tried. I tried. I thought about it.

Guys cancel each other out, too.

>> Yeah. That's the thing, you know, people

want exciting fights. Everybody wants

exciting fights, of course. Of course.

But there is a reality to skillful guys

going after each other and that

sometimes they'll cancel each other out

and make a boring fight.

>> Yeah, that [ __ ] happens.

>> It It really does. [sighs and gasps]

There's There's no rhyme or reason

either. Um

>> I mean, who was it? Um like Francis

Lewis, Francis Lewis, Francis Enanu and

Derek Lewis.

>> Derrick Lewis. Oh [laughter] my god. One

of the worst fights of all time.

>> But we all thought that was going to be

just a quick fight. Someone

>> thought it would be madness. Madness.

Guaranteed madness. Two of the biggest

knockout artists in the history of the

heavyweight division.

>> An exact opposite.

>> Nothing. Nothing happened.

>> But it was hell.

>> These fights happened [laughter] and

then the fans get on you about it. I'm

like, listen, you go take a punch from

that guy. That guy is going to send my

consciousness to a whole different

universe.

>> Well, you had Francis coming off the

loss to Stipe and I think he was a

little rattled mentally. And then you

had Derek who realizes like he's looking

for his one big shot and he's not

willing to wait in and get clipped and

so he's you know waiting to play the

role the counter striker and then no one

does nothing.

>> Yeah

Spaza and Rosunas worst fight in history

arguably

>> it's it's I'm

>> I think it might be worse cuz I think

that was five rounds. We went through

five rounds of that [ __ ]

>> It was five rounds. That was worse than

Der Derrick Lewis and Francis Inanu

would have been the worst because of

expectations, but it was only three

rounds.

>> Yeah,

>> this was five rounds of what the [ __ ] is

going on.

>> And I it's not a knock on the fighters.

>> Of course not. They're two of the

greatest flyweights,

>> right? No straw straws. Two of the

greatest straw weights of all time. I

mean, Rose Namunas when she knocked out

Jeang Lee with that [ __ ] head kick.

Holy [ __ ] when she when when she uh

starched Yana, hit her with that left

hook and took her out. Like, dude, Rose

is a beast, man. She's a beast. At one

of the absolute most exciting fighters,

champions of all time in those those

particular exchanges, like some of the

fights that she's had, they've been

amazing amazing fights, but that just

fights that fight sucked.

>> Yeah.

>> For whatever reason,

>> it happens.

>> Just happens sometimes. I can't explain

it, but sometimes you just feel

something when you're in there. You're

just kind of like, well, I'm not going

to go. And they're like, well, I'm not

going to go if you're not going to go.

That just

>> a staring cont.

>> I don't know what was going on in that

fight. It was very strange. But I also

think there's a time when you've been in

so many wars, you know, you've been

you've had so many wars that your your

willingness to exchange is different.

Your your your drive to attack is

different. It's not there anymore, you

know, and some especially people who

fight in wars and Rose has been in some

wars.

>> And that's why I fight the way I fight

now so differently because those wars

that I had leading up to where I'm at, I

mean, I had that barn burner with all

these other guys on the way to the title

and I had to change it up.

>> Yeah, you got to stay alive.

>> You got [laughter] to fight smart.

>> I'm joking. My fights are not born like

that.

>> No, but they're different. your fights

are uh the best ex you have the best

back control I think I've ever seen in

the sport. There's when you get on

someone's back I'm like oh [ __ ] this is

getting crazy.

>> Yeah. You know

>> I did want to say I appreciate cuz I do

hear the the episodes where you guys

talk about it. I'm like yeah

nuts. The Sanhagen fight is nuts when

you know how good Sanhagen is and you

just got that back and that was nighty

night. It was so slick. You've done that

to so many dudes, too. And you could

see, you know, like obviously redemption

for you was the second Pod Yan fight.

That was redemption.

>> Felt so good.

>> Cool. I remember you came in right

afterwards. I was like, "Everybody's got

to shut the [ __ ] up now. [laughter]

They all got to shut the [ __ ] up."

>> They go, it was a split decision. I go,

"Shut up. Shut [laughter] up."

>> Yeah. Please. Yeah. You you you really

showed everybody in that second fight.

The first fight was just nonsense. the

first fight with just that kind of a a

move to hit someone when they're down on

one knee like that. Like, what the [ __ ]

are you doing, man? That was a rough

time.

>> Crazy. And then you having already had a

bulging disc in your neck. Your neck was

already [ __ ] It's also kind of crazy

that you could compete at the level that

you compete at with a fake disc in your

neck.

>> Yeah.

>> Do you ever think about that thing?

>> Oh, 100%. I still have like nerve damage

in my tricep from it. Like if I do like

a Pilates or just a um plank, you'll see

it just this side shaking.

>> It's so bad.

>> Even till this day,

>> it's a lot better than what it was

before. But this is what people don't um

understand that some of these fighters,

us like we go through a lot just to make

it. And you're going to hear the other

side of it. Well, no one told you to do

it. It's not even about that. It's just

like we're trying our best to chase

something great, something that's crazy

in in the sense of the word, right? And

uh you put your body through hell to get

there. And um I just I know there's

great fans out there who appreciate that

and there's the other ones who are more

casual and they don't really understand,

but I wish they took the time out just

to train to do a week of training and

understand what we put our bodies

through day in at a high level against

other highle guys.

>> Listen, you need the casuals. You you

need everybody to buy tickets. It's all

great.

>> Yeah. But the reality of the casuals,

all you haters, you are doing yourself a

disservice, too. You're saying

ridiculous [ __ ] You're acting like a

[ __ ] [ __ ] What you really should

do is do better in your own life, and

you wouldn't be a hater, cuz almost all

haters are losers. 100% of them. And the

people they're hating on are doing way

better than them. And there's legitimate

criticism, but legitimate criticism can

be handled respectfully.

And the people that don't handle

legitimate the people that don't dish

out legitimate criticism respectfully is

because they haven't been smacked,

>> right?

>> Yeah.

>> Or they haven't been smacked by the guy

they're talking [ __ ] about.

>> Yeah. [laughter]

Or they see them and then they change

their tune real quick. It's such a weird

>> people are so crazy. They talk about

literal professional fighters and call

them [ __ ] [laughter]

>> I can show you.

>> I got a lot of DMs.

>> It's so delusional. One guy said, "I'll

fold you in half like recently." Cuz I I

don't But they're just trying to [ __ ]

with your head. They don't even believe

that they're trying to get a rise out of

Alamine Sterling. They can get a rise

out of a UFC champion. You know how when

they're 16 years old, jerking off with

Cheetos all over their fingers. You

[laughter] know how exciting that must

be to to have direct contact with you?

>> Yeah. That's why I try I try not to

engage as much as I used to because

before I would I think we talked about

it before. I would engage and go back

and forth with it.

>> Don't do it.

>> And I I kind of got away from it. But

the old version of me would like to just

say all kinds of crazy [ __ ] but I'm

I'm, you know, a little bit more mature

now.

>> There's no benefit in it. And it wastes

energy. That's the problem. And then it

also wastes your you get distracted

like, "What did he say back? I can't see

what this [ __ ] responded to. I'm

going to get him again."

>> I do check. [laughter] I do check. You

saved a bunch of pictures of him from

the Instagram. Let me see your ass in

person [laughter] in real life. Yeah.

before he deletes it. Let me screenshot

these.

>> Uh yeah, there people are people, so I

get it.

>> Yeah, people are people, man. And I

would have done the [ __ ] same thing.

If I was 15 years old and somebody gave

me an Instagram account and I could talk

[ __ ] to whoever, I would talk [ __ ] to

everybody, [laughter]

>> whoever it was.

>> I'm trying to think if I was like that.

I don't know if I was ever like that.

>> It didn't exist when you were a kid. It

the access didn't exist. If that access

existed, I guarantee if you and your

friends like, "Bro, Drake's talking [ __ ]

with me." And you and Drake are going

back and forth, you like, "Fuck you,

pussy." Like, [laughter]

of course you would do it. Everybody

would do it. I would do it 100%.

>> I guess it's just human nature.

>> 100%. But I think that when you get to

the level that you're at, a literal

world champion and a professional

fighter of the highest caliber, that's

you do yourself a disservice. You do

like I love Sean Strickland. He's crazy

as [ __ ] but he gets in there with

everybody all the time. He get he gets

in there all day long talking [ __ ] with

people. He gets in there, but

>> it somehow or another doesn't distract

him. I wouldn't give him the same

advice. Something's [ __ ] up about his

brain that like for him to be in that

kind of conflict all day, it doesn't

seem to bother him at all.

>> I think it fe like fuels him to like

want to keep going more like driving.

>> Gogggins plays a recording of all the

[ __ ] that all of his haters have said to

him while he runs.

>> I wouldn't do that. But [laughter]

>> but you know what I'm saying?

>> Like there's people that are wired

different and they think Shawn is very

very much wired different. And for

whatever for whatever reason, you know.

>> Yeah. I sometimes I always but I like

it. I like he should have a segment like

how Ray Longo has like the the Ray Longo

minute. He should have like a a

Strickland minute.

>> Well, I was telling him, you know, we

were talking when he was out here. He

went to Ways to Dwell as well um to

[snorts] get his shoulder work done

after uh the Hamza victory. And I was

saying you 100% could do a podcast. It

would be hilarious. It would be great.

You could have guests on. You could do

whatever the [ __ ] you want. Like you

have a real future outside the sport.

Like once and he's also very smart with

his money. As crazy as that dude is, he

saved a ton of money. He gives great

investment advice on Twitter. Like you

he gives investment advice. You're like,

"Wait, who the [ __ ] is this?" Yeah, this

is the same guy. He's telling you how to

invest your money, you know, S&P and all

this [ __ ] Like, oh, what?

>> He's not as crazy as he comes off.

>> He's a lot smarter than people give him

credit for. He He uses that as like it

tricks you and it tricks you into

thinking that he's like a silly person.

>> Yeah.

>> You know what I mean?

>> But he'll say whatever comes to mind.

Yeah, that's him. But

>> [ __ ] can fight.

>> Yeah. And I respect the

>> end of the day. That's the thing. That

dude can fight. Like he can fight and he

fights in a weird way. Like his very

weird style. Like nobody has that style.

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lighter?

>> Yes. And a cup?

>> Of course. Well, you want some cigars?

>> I I got some.

>> Oh, [ __ ] Al Jermaine brings gifts.

Let's go.

>> We bring gifts. These are fighter

cigars, too.

>> Fighter cigars.

>> Yeah. I'm like part of that, man.

>> Uh, so it's different fighter lines. I

know you got a foundation.

>> Uh-huh.

>> If I could ever open this. I think it's

all cold now. Use my my fighting

muscles. [laughter]

>> [ __ ] hell. You need some help?

>> I might. [snorts] You might. You got the

beer claws.

>> It's weird. [laughter]

>> I broke it.

>> I broke the Oh, I broke that, too. What

the [ __ ] dude? I arrowhead.

>> It's supposed to just pull open.

>> Should

>> I open it this morning?

>> That's weird. Did something happen to

it? [clears throat]

>> Got cold.

>> I got a knife in here somewhere. Where's

some big ass knives that used to be

here, Jamie?

>> Oh, yeah. I had to take them out.

>> Why? Oh, when the device president was

here.

>> Yes.

>> Lucky I always carry one.

If we can't get these open, algae, bro,

this is like chromatically sealed

backwards or something.

>> No, there we go. There we go. Got it.

>> So, we got different ones. You got a

Drew Dober in there. You got a funk

master.

>> I think that's the Funk Master.

>> Oh,

>> so I don't know if you like like light

or dark.

>> I like them all. [clears throat]

>> This is you. We got to smoke yours.

>> Come on.

>> Triumph cigars. So, who's who's making

these? Where are they making them out

of?

>> Uh, so he gets them from different

places. That's clipper on the back of

that, too.

>> He gets it from different places like

>> Yeah. Like Cuba. Um Nicaragua.

>> Cuba.

>> Cuba. Really?

>> I believe it's Cuba.

>> Cuz Cuban cigars are

>> banned or hard. No, no, no. They're not

really banned. Pop the top. Have you

ever Do you know how to smoke cigar,

son? You know. What are you doing? What

are you doing? Give that Give that to

me.

>> Oh [ __ ]

>> That's the clipper, [laughter]

>> bro. This is high. This is some high

level [ __ ] right here. Calibri.

Um,

>> lot of lot of fake Cuban cigars.

>> You got one. I got one.

>> And then flip the top. There you go.

>> So, they got like Maduros and different

kinds. I'm like new into cigars.

>> Damn. These are the Funk Master. That

might be dead here. I'm sorry.

This one's good. This one's good. Jamie,

you smoke cigars?

>> No.

>> Damn. Jaime's strictly blunt.

>> Oh,

>> but now he's got to stop because he

doesn't want to be a fell

>> here. Can't do it here.

>> He's got to cross state lines. Got to go

to Oklahoma and get high. [laughter]

>> Do you Do you actually

>> once a day?

>> Yeah. He takes a flight

>> southwest Oklahoma. Gets some bong rips

and hops back on there. Come back.

[laughter]

>> This is good. [clears throat] This is

very good. So, the feedback on them has

been great. They're good quality cigars.

They make them from like people that

make them and they get them to make our

own different like lines of them. So,

>> pretty cool.

>> I like them.

>> When we used to perform in Miami, uh

there was a place that you could go

where you could watch them hand roll

cigars and they'd sell you cigars like

hand rolled. It was pretty dope. You

watch these ladies like roll everything

out and they get that long knife and

they slice it up and they

>> You rolled yourself. Have you?

>> No. No, no, no, no.

>> They told us how to roll down in uh

Miami. I don't want to ruin it. I don't

want to do brain surgery on myself

either.

>> It's fun.

>> Get an expert. [laughter]

>> Somebody's got to be good at this.

[clears throat]

>> You got a a rum line, too, right?

>> Mhm.

>> Is that it? Funk Harbor around your

neck.

>> Funk Harbor, baby.

>> Look at you.

>> I got [laughter] money now. Joe,

>> you know that song, [ __ ] I got money

now. [laughter]

>> I I was supposed to bring my shirt

because I I don't know if you wanted it

like signed or whatever, but

>> Sure.

>> But we won multiple medals and things

like that. Multiple medals. There's

medals for

>> like competitions. Yeah,

>> for rums.

>> Yeah, we got two double golds for this.

We got two double golds for the silver.

>> Jamie, can you get us some ice cubes and

some glasses? Let's [ __ ] party. Al

Jamine.

>> Then we're going to go to the mother

[ __ ]

>> I I love that name, by the way.

>> Thank you. [laughter]

>> Yeah, we were trying to figure out what

to call it. We had a bunch of different,

you know, Mitsy Shore, that lady who ran

the comedy store. Yeah, the

[clears throat] painting up there.

That's her. She was the the owner and

founder of the comedy store. She used to

say about the comedians, the inmates are

running the asylum. So, we were going to

call it the asylum, but I thought that

sounds corny. A little corny. There's

something about it. It's like a little

like, oh, we're crazy, you know? And

then I thought, well, what is this? One

of the things that Ron White, he was the

first Ron White was the first guy to

move here. And, you know, I knew Ron

real well from LA. And Ron said, "You

know, I love it. It's in the middle of

the country. You could fly out." What's

the matter? You want one, Jamie?

>> I got work to do.

>> You got work to do. It won't get

hammered with us. He goes, "It's in the

middle of the country. You can fly out.

It's only like three hours New York,

three hours to LA. It's perfect." And I

was like, "Well, that would be like the

mother ship." And then you could fly

out. All your all your ships could fly

to different parts of the but that would

be your base. The mother ship would be

the base. I'm like, "Oo, that's pretty

cool." Plus, obviously I'm obsessed with

aliens.

>> That's what I thought it was.

>> Of course. Yeah. I mean, I'm obsessed

for whatever reason.

>> Um,

>> which one? Dark or light? What's the

difference?

>> So, this one's our limited edition. It's

got the number one on it. We're going to

be coming out with some different ones.

We're actually going through a rebrand

right now. This one's aged 2 to 5 years,

but they're all Jamaican origin. This

one's aged under the tropical sun.

Unaged is a silver.

>> We'll bust out that age under the

tropical sunshine. This one we use X

bourbon cast. So it drinks really nice

if you like bourbon.

>> Okay.

>> It's a little bit It's like I don't want

to say sweet, but it's not as uh harsh

when you drink it.

>> Are you a rum guy? Is that your thing?

Is that why you started a rum company?

>> Yes.

>> You've always been a rum guy.

>> My parents are from Jamaica. [snorts]

>> So I went

>> My parents are from Italy, but I hate

grapa. That shit's nasty.

>> Grappa's not

>> That's [ __ ] nasty. [laughter]

That stuff's nasty. I'm going to take

the big one. [clears throat and cough]

>> All right.

>> Cheers, sir.

>> What do you guys say? Sal.

>> Salute. Salute.

>> I thought you guys said something else

in Italy.

>> I don't know. Do they? I just got

[clears throat] back. I was just there

last week. [snorts]

>> Yeah.

>> Two weeks ago. Yeah, two weeks ago. It

was It's awesome. I love it there.

>> We still haven't gone. We want to go so

bad.

>> Oh, bro. If you want to eat, that's the

place.

>> Pasta. I just hear everybody talking

about like I would love to do that. I

gained three pounds. I ate nothing but

carbs.

I ate so much food. I I ate till I was

hurting every night. [laughter] I was

like I was like, I'm going to ignore my

diet completely. I I worked out every

day, but I was like, I'm going to ignore

my diet completely and just just eat for

pleasure.

>> But it's not as bad though. The It's not

as bad for you. The food is not as bad.

>> But wait, calories are calories though.

But

>> it's just the volume. I'm a glutton. I

ate two pizzas. I ate linguini with

clams. I had uh bara and and and um

tomatoes. And I also had what else did I

have? Something. Oh, a bunch of pieces

of bread. I ate so much in one setting

that I got home that night when we sat

back and I was like I can't move.

[laughter] Like I'm I've eaten myself to

a place where I'm like you ever see one

of those lions that eats too much and

they just line. [laughter]

>> That's how I felt. Trust me, that those

were those were my 135 days. As soon as

the fight's over, I'm going in.

>> Bro, I remember one time I ran into you

at the Apex and I was like, "What do you

weigh?" And you [laughter] said 176. I

was like, "That's crazy."

>> Yeah.

>> You got to lose 40 lbs. That's crazy.

>> The fascinating part is when I went up

to 45, I got down and I was lighter in

my natural walking around weight, still

eating the same way I always did. And I

was walking around about 168, sometimes

66 to about 172. And I'm like, this is

doesn't even make any sense how much

lighter I am from 135.

>> Maybe it's just less anxiety about

making the weight.

>> That too.

>> Your body didn't hold on to it as much.

>> Yeah. So the body kind of just

recognizes what's happening like, oh,

this is a nicer weight cut.

>> Yeah. You're healthy now.

>> Yeah.

>> Even though it's still a weight cut. I

was going to say, but I just checked my

weight last week when I got Well,

actually, two days ago when I got back

from

>> You're at least 170.

>> I'm heavier than that.

>> 175.

>> North 80. [laughter]

>> 180.

>> I was 78. That's when I checked.

>> And I didn't look fat. I was like, "This

is crazy. It's happening again. It's

happening all over [laughter] again."

>> That's people that don't understand it.

Like, I have to explain to my normie

friends. They're like, "How does he lose

all that weight? He doesn't have

anything to lose. I'm like, well, you're

sucking your muscles dry. That's what's

crazy. And your organs. That's what's

really dark. Oh, it's dark, dude. It's

dark. It's the worst part about

fighting.

>> I still think same day weigh-ins.

>> Well, same day weigh-ins would change a

lot, but also guys would get really hurt

because people are still going to lose

the weight. They're still going to do

it.

>> But I think that's going to be a like a

phase. Like people going to realize how

stupid this is and go, "Oh, I actually

feel better just competing at my

weight." Perhaps, but I think you would

have to have multiple weight classes

added. Many weight classes added.

There's too many gaps that are too

ridiculous.

>> The the 15 lb gap would be the most

challenging from 55 to 70.

>> What about 85 to 205? That's nuts. 85 to

205 is crazy. 20 lbs is crazy.

>> I I always thought there should be an in

between for that one.

>> 100%.

>> This should be every 10 lbs. Every 10

lbs is is smart, you know. go 125, 35,

45, 55, 60. Blow up the ones that are,

you know, like when you get to 70, make

70, 775. You know, 85 is already there.

Make a 95, make a 205. And then it gets

weird with heavyweight. I think you

might want to have like a bridger

weight, like a 220, 225, and then giant

fellas. And then after that, it should

be as big as the [ __ ] you want to be.

Cuz that's the weird thing is like

>> heavyweights limited. I remember Tim

Sylvia when Tim Sylvia was saucy. There

was a time when Tim Sylvia was big. He

was a big fella and he had he was

cutting weight to make 265 hardcore. He

was barely making it. He was so big back

then, man.

>> He's a big man.

>> He's gigantic.

>> Yeah.

>> And that was when he was [ __ ] sick.

And he uh I remember watching him

struggle to make the 265. I'm like,

that's crazy. Why are you making the

heavyweights cut weight? That doesn't

make any sense. It it takes away from

what heavyweight actually

>> Yeah.

>> the biggest baddest [ __ ] alive.

>> Yeah.

>> You know, when Mike Tyson was [ __ ]

everybody up, people we ate 220.

>> He I don't want to say small. Let me not

say small. For heavyweight for

heavyweight, he was

>> Yeah. I mean, it doesn't matter. Kane,

when Kane was [ __ ] everybody up, he

was 240.

>> He was light, too.

>> Yeah. Fedor, same thing. He was never

real big. Fedor was fairly small

compared to a lot of other heavy

heavyweights.

>> But then you got a guy like uh Rose

Bellis Despin.

>> Oh, that guy's crazy. He's huge.

>> Seven feet tall. He's gigantic.

>> Huge. That guy is

>> That range is nuts.

>> He's like the the the modern day

Neanderthal. Like he's a Amazonian. He's

a giant. A literal giant. He's one of

those guys where um when I saw that

fight that that uh MVP did with him and

Junior Dos Santos, I said, "Please don't

do that fight. That that fight's not

right." That's that's one of those

fights where you're like, "That fight's

not right."

>> Yeah.

>> This is just too much of a changing of

the guard.

>> Yeah. is one guy who is coming off of

karate combat. First of all, it one

thing if Junior was a wrestler, if

Junior was a sick wrestler and you know,

oh, you know, maybe he's going to take

him down, ground and pound. This this is

kind of even though he's older, he's

been knocked out a bunch of times, he's

still very dangerous. But, you know,

Junior had seen his best days back when

he knocked out Kane, which was like,

what year was that?

>> 2016, 2015

>> was it even?

I got signed at 2014.

I don't I think I I remember Kane, not

Kane.

>> So, it was the big it was the big Fox

card. It was the first card on Fox

because I remember they made Kane fight

with a blown out knee or they encouraged

him

>> to fight with a blown out knee. Kane's

knee was [ __ ] before that fight

>> and Junior caught him with that perfect

right hand. What? 2013. Okay.

>> That's [snorts] his debut,

>> right? No, that's that fight. That's the

[clears throat] fight where he knocked

out Kane Velasquez lost to

>> Oh, that's the second one.

>> What's the one where he beat Kane? The

is right before that.

>> Uh, no, right before that.

>> So, he got signed.

>> Yeah, the Fox one. 2011. Okay. So, 15

years of wars.

>> Yeah.

>> 15 years of the steep fight which was

horrible to watch, right? That was a

brutal, brutal fight. And then you have

the second Kane fight which was horrible

to watch. And then I think there was a

third Kane fight too. Correct. with JDS.

>> Yes. Which was also horrible to watch.

You know, it's that

>> two tough fights back to back,

>> bro. You if you don't take Kane out in

that first round, that storm never ends.

>> Yeah.

>> Never ends. You're like, we're going to

ride this storm out. [laughter]

>> No,

>> there was no riding. Prime Kane was a

[ __ ] dude. I man when uh I'm

I've always been conflicted with him and

DC because it kind of reminded me of uh

Morab and I and I always said like if DC

stayed at heavyweight he could have

arguably potentially have been the

greatest heavyweight of all time but I

do know DC always says in the training

room Kane was the man. He was the guy.

>> Yeah. He told me always Kane beat his

ass. DC should have been a middleweight.

How about that?

>> I don't know that guy is making

middleweight. [laughter]

He disciplined DC.

>> Him and his chicken.

>> If DC went to Dagistan, if DC went to

Dagistan for three years, [laughter]

>> he's not going to forget.

>> Yeah. Forget three years. Um, if he if

DC made middleweight, and he could have

made middleweight, a lot of guys who are

way leaner than him have made that

weight. So, I saw him at my UFC debut,

UFC 170 at Mandalay Bay in the back

room, uh, cutting weight, doing the

workouts, and he looked like he was

dying just to make 205.

>> Mhm.

>> True.

>> So, I don't know how he would have done

it.

>> Well, he would have had to change his

diet. No more Popeyes.

>> Yeah. No more nothing. No more garbage.

And he would have had to I love DC, too.

He's my favorite person to do commentary

with by far. He's the best.

>> He's fun.

>> He's We have such a good time. We have

such a good time. He's such a fun dude.

Like genuinely happy fun dude. Look at

him. That's 205 DC. So 205 DC though,

you're telling me that like Alex

Pereira, if he was built like that,

couldn't lose 20 pounds? Of course he

could.

>> Yeah. I don't [sighs] know cuz he's not

Look, if you see the guys that fight at

85, like Joe Pyer,

>> Joe Pyer is a giant. Draus Dus Duplaci

is a [ __ ] giant.

>> He's big.

>> He's gigantic. He looks like a

heavyweight

>> and he makes 85. I What does that mean?

>> He's sucking it in. [laughter]

>> He could have made middleweight. He

could have made middleweight if he had

like the real if if he just had the

drive and did it as a lifestyle change

and like did it over the course of like

a year and like really leaned himself

out, got on like a ketogenic diet,

leaned himself out. But then how often

would he be able to fight? Depends on

how much he actually gets his body

weight down to. That's the thing. Like

DC's only like 51, 510.

How tall is he?

>> I'm going to give him 5'11. Maybe maybe

I love him. [laughter] He might be might

maybe might be 5'11 5'8.

>> But there's guys with his body that

could have but it's not like a thing

where you you can make the weight by

just dehydrating yourself. No, he's too

big. But if he had with his frame, if he

had slowly but surely leaned himself out

and did it healthy, smart over like the

course of a year, he'd have to take some

time off and really just dedicate

himself to just getting lean. His gas

tank would be better. Who's gonna [ __ ]

with that guy at middleweight? Do you

remember what he was doing to Dan

Henderson?

>> Do you remember that fight?

>> Flipped him like a burger,

>> bro. He threw him around like a ragd

doll. And Dan Henderson's a monster.

He's a monster. That guy's a beast. He's

such a tank. And DC just ragdalled him.

Just ragdalled him.

>> That was 205, right? Henderson came up.

>> Henderson came up.

>> Yeah. You know, cuz when I would cut

down, and I wasn't always this big at

35, but when I would cut down to 35, I

would have to do it in stages. So, I

couldn't do a 3 month turnaround like I

did for the one fight.

>> How much time do you need?

>> I needed

four months is ideal.

>> That's crazy.

>> It's ideal. So, long

>> cuz I could slowly get down

>> and then I could start tripping away cuz

I'm at my natural state. I'm fat and

happy and it's not even fat. I'm just at

my normal walking weight. And then I get

down from 70 whatever to 70. Then I get

the next week or the week following down

to 65. After that I get down to 60. And

that's like the optimal weight I want to

be at. And then I get to 55 and this is

like where I'm going to be when I'm

stepping into the octagon. So to do that

over the periods of time like you could

do it really quick cuz I I have the

wrestlers mentality. I can do it fast

but doesn't mean everything is going to

be where it should be. And I also felt

my cardio in rounds four and five in

comparison to doing rounds four and five

in the training room severely different.

>> My gas tank, you would think I was

morab, right? And uh just for for

comparison sake, right? And then I go

into the fights and rounds four or five,

I'm like,

>> I got to conserve some I got to conserve

some energy cuz I'm I'm slowing down. I

can feel it, but I'm trying not to show

it. That was

>> Is there a difference between when you

were allowed to use the IV and when they

took the IVs away?

>> I used IV once.

>> Only once?

>> And that was in like 2015. I thought it

was stupid. It took forever to get it.

I'm like, I could have been eating right

now and I'm the same weight that I was

when I just ate. I'm like, I much rather

just stuff my face.

>> I think the idea is that it hydrates you

more efficiently because instead of

having to go through your stomach, it

goes right into your veins and then it

hydrates your muscles more efficiently.

>> I didn't really feel like a performance

difference if I'm being honest.

>> Interesting.

>> But I'm different. Some people call me

an anomaly and they say you can't do

what I do. I drink in training camp and

people think I'm crazy. Really?

>> Yeah. How?

>> I drink the night before the fight.

>> What?

>> Yeah.

>> Come on.

>> I have I have one glass sometimes two.

>> Really?

>> Three years later, we're getting crazy.

But [laughter]

>> the night before the fight after you've

cut weight.

>> Yeah.

>> Why do you do that?

>> I'm not Jon Jones cuz [laughter] that

guy is built I'm built different, but

he's built different than me. Well, I

think John is just so [ __ ] talented

and so [ __ ] smart that he was able to

get by and dominate at a world

championship level by putting himself at

a deficit like that.

>> Whereas if John

>> You say that, but John's a different

person. Like he wouldn't be the same

guy. He's wild. There's something about

John that's one of the reasons why he's

so good is that he's wild.

>> He's intelligent and wild at the same

time. And that's why you can't compare.

It's like whatever makes you happy. When

people uh I remember Kyle Dake said

something like he'll eat ice cream, not

right before a match, but in his

training. He's like because it makes him

happy. I want to have a drink because

throughout the training camp I'm already

going through this hard grind after

sparring and I feel like I hit a

threshold where my conditioning is at a

place where I want it to be. It's like a

checkpoint. I'm like, "Okay, this is my

checkpoint. I hit it." Have you ever

worn an Aura ring or a Whoop strap or

any of those things?

>> Yeah, that thing's stupid.

>> Well, [laughter] they lie to you.

>> That thing's attacking me every day.

>> Cuz what it's saying is that the alcohol

is affecting your sleep.

>> Stop attacking me. I've [laughter]

>> took that [ __ ] off and threw it in a

corner somewhere.

>> [ __ ] you with your facts. [laughter]

>> Facts and data.

>> I uh I remember I brought out Adrian

Giannis. I brought him out twice. The

first time though, um it was for the

Podon rematch and uh he stays at my

house for about a week. We spar I think

it was a Thursday. I take him to Johnny

McGoris and um I bring him to my guy

Rishi. He's like

>> Johnny Mcores.

>> It's a it's a pub.

>> Okay.

>> Um on Long Island in Masipico. They got

two now. But um [snorts] I bring him

over there and the the guy I talked to

over there who I deal with, Rishi, he's

the man. He's good friends with Weidman

and Volante from like the college days

back at Ha and he's a big MMA fan. So I

love that. So instantly we kicked it off

when I met him the first time. So I

bring him over there and it's after the

spar. I'm like, "Yeah, we're going to

get some food." We go there and then he

sees me and I order a drink and I I was

like, "Yeah, get one for him, too." He's

like, "Yo, bro, what are you [laughter]

what are you doing?" I was like, "No,

no, this is normal. Trust me." He's

like, "You he looks at me. He's just

like dumbfounded. He's like, "You drink

in training camp?" like it was the

biggest like taboo thing on earth. I'm

like, "Yeah, dude. Like, we just had

some good rounds today. This is my

reward. You deserve one, too. Like,

you're in shape. I'm in [laughter]

shape. Let's have one or two." And uh

and I always get my Thai chili wings

over there. And so, whenever I go in

Long Island, I'm finishing up a camp on

the East Coast. I'm fighting home on the

East Coast. Um Rishi always hit me up.

He goes, "We're gonna do the uh the

ritual, [laughter] get the Thai chili

wings, and get my IPAs." And yeah, but

like I said, everyone's different.

Whatever makes you feel comfortable if

if you're going to do it, you can't like

for me, like having a drink the night

before the fight and people go like

you're not worried it's going to affect

your performance. And I go, if I lose

because of this one drink,

I wasn't supposed to win. Point blank

period.

>> Okay, but let me let me push back on

that. Imagine you're fighting a guy who

you and him are like that. Neck and

neck, neck and neck. Mosar

>> neck and Yeah. Right. Neck and neck. And

the difference is whether or not you got

that extra REM sleep the night before

where you could push when you lay off,

when you lay back on the gas, when you

really maybe could like if you were a

little bit more rested, you could just

one extra move, one extra transition,

one extra guard pass, one extra attempt

at a submission, one extra thing that

gets you the round. You know what I'm

saying?

>> I take my naps [laughter] before the

fight.

I take my nasty before the fight.

Recharge that battery.

>> Well, listen. Ilia Tori used to drink

wine

>> at the weigh-ins. He was weighing in

while he was cutting weight.

>> He was drinking formula. Yeah.

>> Yeah. There's no perfect formula.

>> I mean, it also there's something to be

said for doing what makes you happy

always. I think enthusiasm is a very

important thing. Enthusiasm and joy is a

very important thing. It's underrated.

>> Yeah. So, my friend Dennis Bizookia, he

just fought in the Albania card. Um, bad

stoppage by the ref. And I like Jason

Herszog, but bad stoppage. He said he

tapped, he didn't tap.

But I remember his second contender

fight, he's cutting weight and Morab is

having a party at his house in Vegas.

>> That tap, that was a weird one. That tap

was weird.

>> He went from locking his hands to

finding his leg and pushing off the leg

and he ruled it as a tap.

>> I just don't understand that tap. I go I

go, Jason, we've I've trained with Jason

and I'm not I'm not attacking him

because I don't want people think I

don't like to attack people unless they

really deserve it. But I go, if you're

not sure cuz he said he wasn't sure. He

said it looked like a tap. So I go, if

it if you think it looked like it and

you weren't sure, why not just wait?

Because if it was, he would do it again.

>> Yes. But his immediate action after

pushing off the leg was to grab between

his leg where you kind of lock your hand

from the head and arm. And

>> I have the hardest time ever finishing

Dennis. And I'm a pretty good black belt

in jiu-jitsu. And that's a good position

for me. And I struggle. I could count on

my hands how many times I've probably

finished him in that position.

>> It's also it's the classic defense. You

grab the leg and that's the best way to

prevent the guy from putting all the

pressure on the neck with the head and

arm.

Do you ever go to do you know what the

impaler is? Eddie Bravo calls the

impaler to get out of that position. You

you slide the knee to the sternum

>> and you finish with the knee on the

sternum

>> for the bottom guy

>> for the top guy.

>> So when the guy's defending

>> Yes.

>> Yeah. You go knee to sternum. It's

[ __ ] brutal, man. Brutal.

>> You're being attacked on two different

fronts.

>> Uh-huh. You You're being crushed. Your

SHM's being crushed. And this defense

does not work as good anymore. It still

gives you a little bit the the grabbing

the leg and looping over like that gives

you a little bit, but there's something

about that crushing on the sternum and

along with the squeeze of the head and

arm choke.

>> Yeah,

>> it's nasty.

>> The difference with that I would imagine

you it at least when I've tried it, I

try to get it before they get on their

side because once they're perpendicular

with the ground, it's a little bit hard

to get the exact

>> course

>> pressure point of what you want. And I

go, I tried this literally the very next

day and I go, there's no way you could

submit somebody with your ass in the

air. You're you could be squeezing as

hard as you want, but if your ass is in

the air and this guy's on the side, it's

going to be really difficult to make

somebody tap in that position.

>> Very hard depending upon your squeeze

ability, right?

>> That too. Did you see Amos when Amos

finished that dude? He did the he did

that thing. He's a nasty grappler,

>> bro. And it's crazy cuz he lost to Jason

Jackson. And I'm not saying that as a

like a slight

>> Jason, but it's like how good is Jason

Jackson?

>> Jason Jackson's real [ __ ] good.

>> And that's my Jamaican brother. He's not

signed.

>> Real good. He needs to be signed to the

UFC 100%.

That guy could crack. He took him out,

man. He took him out. He didn't just

beat him.

>> Yeah. I wish out

>> crossromote.

>> Well, I don't think it's not. I know

it's not going to happen, but

>> I wish Santa Claus was real. [laughter]

>> But I know like why don't we just find

out who's it? Make it like boxing, you

know, where we can find out who's

actually

>> So look at this how he finishes. DC and

I were actually talking about this

because he look he goes knee to the

belly. See how he does that across. Now

if you're grabbing the leg, so if he was

grabbing his leg, you would go knee

across the chest and you put it right

down on the sternum. But he did that to

make sure he was flattened out.

>> Yes. to make sure that he couldn't go to

the side. But this dude is

>> this was so good.

>> Wicked.

>> Joel's just looking like I can't do

anything about that. [laughter]

>> Of course he can [ __ ] of course he

could break dance, bro. Break dancing is

a great base for jiu-jitsu. We had a

bunch of guys, Richie Martinez and Gio

Martinez, these guys that came into 10th

Planet way back in the early 2000s. And

um we were all like, "Oh [ __ ] break

dancing." Like we never even thought

gymnastics. Everybody knew like a guy

who could do gymnastics, a guy who's

like really good at tumbling, that kind

of explosive ability and balance and

control and body strength totally

translate to jiu-jitsu. Yeah.

>> But we didn't even think about it. Like

break dancing is kind of like a

gymnastics. You know, these dudes are

doing weird [ __ ] where they're on one

arm with their legs lotus position above

their head and they're hopping around on

one arm. That's crazy.

>> It It is cuz I try to do it and I'm

like, "Yeah, I can't do that." Eddie

started doing breakdancing practice as a

part of like strength and conditioning

training for jiu-jitsu. He started

trying break dancing move. Eddie's so

open-minded. He's always willing to like

try something out. Like thing about

Eddie's classes, too. If somebody

finishes somebody with something, Eddie

will like stop the class. What did you

do? And he's like, oh, I do this and I

grab my foot here and he's like, okay,

everybody look at this. Come over. Come

over. And he'll bring everybody over.

He'll show it to us. Show us how you set

it up. And he'll show them how he set it

up. and they go, "Who thinks they can

get out of this? Who thinks they got to

move to get out of this?" And then they

would all practice different ways to get

out of this. And they go, "Well, what if

a guy does this? What if a guy does

that?" And they break it down like he is

very very like open to new moves, you

know? It's it makes his classes very

interesting in that regard.

>> You you guys still train?

>> I don't I haven't trained in a while. I

was training with Gabe Tuttle out here

for a little bit, but my I got one knee,

man, that just keeps [ __ ] up. And I

do too many I like to do too many things

to want to go through another surgery.

Yeah. Or to deal with something.

>> I just don't want to It's like everybody

I know that gets to my age that still

trains gets a disc replacement, gets

another surgery, gets another surgery,

and then when you start getting like

back surgeries or like Matt Sarah just

got a knee replacement recently. You

start getting to that range, it's like,

"Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, this shit's

forever."

>> Yeah.

>> Like you got to walk around. You got to

play with your kids. You got to be able

to go hiking. You got to be able to do

things. And if you break your body down,

especially through grappling. I still

hit the bag. I still still train like

kickboxing. I still do a lot of working

out. I work out constantly. But every

time I start doing jiu-jitsu again, my

knee starts throbbing.

>> Yeah. That's uh that's kind of similar

to Alqua.

Yeah.

>> Sucks. [sighs] Uh, I always I always go

like I wonder how much more he had in a

tank.

>> Bro, he gave Kabib a hell of a fight on

no notice.

>> Yeah,

>> no notice.

>> And the Kabib fans don't give him any

credit for it. They go, he was playing

with him. I go, really?

>> Tell me one fighter who goes out there

and tells you that they're just going to

play with their opponent.

>> Prime time Al was a beast. Yeah,

>> he was a beast and he was tough as [ __ ]

in game, you know. Isn't he selling real

estate now?

>> Mhm. Shout out to Alaquenta.

>> Yeah, he's doing really well, man. We

were working together for a little bit,

but then it got to the point where I was

like, dude, I just don't have the time.

It's I got to make a decision. And

that's when I started doing the rum

company and everything. And you see how

fast time gets absorbed with things.

>> Yeah.

>> With everything.

>> Yeah. I wish I had multiple lives

>> so I could do multiple different things.

[laughter]

Multiple different lives.

>> You might be in another dimension.

>> Uh maybe. I would love to. But in this

dimension, I have too many interests. I

almost wish I didn't have as many things

that I love to do. I could whittle them

down to a few.

>> Yeah. You know, I I still wanna

I want to learn how you do your spinning

back kick.

>> I throw mine, but

>> I know you do yours a little bit of a

different way. I I remember the video

you did with GSP showing them how you do

yours. Um, but it's I like to spin. I

like to spin to win. Listen, if it

lands, the amount of torque that you get

on a spin is crazy.

>> It's It's not good.

>> What What do you do different than the

way I do it?

>> I don't know. I I know you supposed to

step, turn the heel, look over the

shoulder. You can jump as well. You

don't have to step it. All it The whole

thing is just getting it out in a

straight line. And the problem with most

people that didn't train like in a

classic taekwondo school is that they

it's a a circle. Circle can land. It can

land and it can be really powerful if it

lands, but it's not going to be as

powerful as the way I do it. The way I

do it is a turn and then it I always say

spinning back kick when I do commentary

because that everybody understands that.

But it's a turning sidekick is the way

we talked about it in Dwendo. It's a

turning sidekick. So the side

>> Yeah. I'm I'm getting maximum amount of

energy, maximum efficiency. It's the

difference between throwing a punch like

this. You can knock somebody out if you

throw a punch like this. It's like a

crazy arm punch and you could hurt him

and knock him out 100% of the time. And

you could do that once and say that's

the way to throw a punch. Or you could

learn how to throw a punch Tommy Hearn

style where you're [ __ ] turning your

body into it and you got all THAT TORQUE

AND BANG, it catches you on the end in a

straight line. Yeah. And Tommy would

just starch people with that or Deontay

Wilder, right? Straight straight down

the pipe. That's the difference between

a turning sidekick and when people spin

in a circle. So when you spin in a

circle, of course it's going to have

power. You have giant legs. Your your

legs carry your body around all day

long. You've got the you're pushing off

the other leg. You're spinning with all

your torso. Yeah, it's going to have

power, but it's not going to have as

much power as the way I do it. The way I

throw it, when it lands, it's

everything's going in a straight line

and I'm pushing off my back leg and I'm

getting all my abs into it, my hips into

it, and it's just straight just thud.

And I know that if I hit you with that,

you're going downhere.

>> You're going down.

>> You're going to the hospital. Like,

you're not gonna make it, man.

>> Dude, I saw you hit the bag and I was

like, "Holy [ __ ] that's a [ __ ] kick

and a half right there."

>> There's only one video of me online

fighting. It's from when I was 19. I was

at the US Cup in Connecticut and I hit

this dude with a spinning back kick and

sent him through the air. Sent him

flying through the air. And I knew the

moment I hit him, I'm like, "This

fight's over." I turned around, just

walked off casually. I I did [laughter]

cuz I would like to do that like [ __ ]

with people's heads, but I do I knew

that one move has too much power for

your body to absorb. There's no way you

can take it. It's just too much. It's

like getting hit by a car.

>> It's nasty, man. It's a nasty kick.

>> Like when John landed on Stipe.

>> Yeah.

>> Just just caved his body in. Like Stipe

is one of the toughest human beings

that's ever walked the face of the

earth. But he takes that to the body.

like that's you're not going nowhere.

You're not going nowhere. And John's so

smart. Like John practiced that specific

technique because he was going up to

heavyweight. He was like, I need

something cuz I can't knock guys out

with one punch at heavyweight. I can

maybe kick them with but what's the most

powerful kick? And he realized it's the

spinning back kick. So he just drilled

it. So three days a week, that's all he

would do is just drill a spinning back

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>> Yeah. And one thing about John, man,

he's such a like his IQ has always been

through the roof and

>> his fighting IQ is crazy. He understands

fighting and I think that's what sets

him apart from everybody else. He

understands himself. Like if you look at

him, he could go, I'm not probably gonna

knock anybody out of heavyweight with

the way I punch. So,

>> right,

>> develop something else and it worked.

And that's just reality. That's just the

reality of his frame. I mean, you know,

as much as well as anybody. It's weird

how some people can just punch. They're

like from the moment they get into the

gym, the first time they're hitting the

pads, like what the [ __ ] It's a natural

gift. Punching power is a weird natural

gift.

>> Yeah.

>> And either you have it or you don't. And

if you don't have it, you can only

develop it so much.

>> I'm still trying to figure out if I have

it. [laughter]

>> It's physics, man. A lot of it is like

the size of your hands.

>> And my arms aren't they're long.

>> Yeah.

>> So, some of like a Tapora has like he's

not as long with his his uh

>> big ass fists,

>> but I always like imitate the Tapora and

then the Conor McGregor with a little

Tapora and his b B.

[laughter]

It is [ __ ] funny [ __ ] Well, Connor's

another example. Like big fists, man.

Look at that dude's fist. They're giant.

>> That's a big thing.

>> Yeah. I got a little uh these hands.

>> You got to do what you got to do.

>> These hands are meant for grabbing

things.

>> Yeah. Well, they're really good at that.

But that's the beautiful thing about MMA

as opposed to boxing. Like there's a

whole bunch of different ways to finish

a fight.

>> Yeah. What did you think about the fight

with Yousef before the fight happened?

like in terms of like uh I used to text

you like asking like your opinion like

what do you think uh you know um so I

was I'm curious to know what your

thoughts were before the fight obviously

hindsight um because I know what I

thought going into the fight

>> what did you think going into the fight

>> I thought it was going to probably be

one of the hardest fights for sure we've

trained together multiple times back in

2017 we trained together a couple times

within the last two years and uh I

always knew he moved well on the feet

lateral footwork, great calf kicks, and

I I said to myself, if I get chopped

down with a couple of these calf kicks

early in the fight, it's going to be a

rough night, especially if I can't move

and do what I do, which is I'm also good

at lateral footwork. And he has those

nasty knees up the middle that are very

quick to end a fight or put you on

skates and could get you out of there,

right? And uh he did submit me that one

time, so I think that really gave him a

lot of confidence coming into it. So

those were my thoughts. I was like, for

me to win this, I got to stay on the

outside and then put pressure on him

when I could put pressure on him, take

away his calf kicks when I can. Um, by

putting him on the back foot, making it

a little bit more difficult to land that

calf kick with authority. Right. So,

that was my two cents on that. I knew if

I could take him down first, um,

it should go my way.

>> Well, it worked. Yeah, it was a little

easier than I thought it would have

been, but um

>> I think I think you're a different

beast. Yeah, I think you was tight.

[laughter]

>> Like I was like, "Hold on, I ain't

playing for this. I ain't playing for

this one."

>> Yeah, that was tight. Yeah, but you got

out of it. And I think you're a

different beast at 45, you know? I think

you just have more resilience at 45.

You're more durable at 45.

>> More energy, too.

>> Yeah, that's where it comes from, right?

It's again, I wish we could eliminate

weight cutting completely from fighting

and I've had conversations with the UFC

about doing it, but there's no real road

map that makes sense. I think once guys

get it ingrained in their head that

they're going to cut weight, they're

just always going to cut weight. They're

going to even if there is weight

classes, they're just going to fight

dehydrated. They're going to figure out

a way to be bigger.

>> I mean, we did it for wrestling and we

competed two hours later, sometimes an

hour.

>> I

>> But you're not getting punched and

kicked in the head. That's the

difference.

>> That's why that's why I feel if they did

same day weigh-ins, kind of like what

you do for an amateur,

>> you can get as big as you can get, which

is going to be very little, maybe five

pounds.

>> So, I go same day weigh-ins, you give

them four hours, so this way they can

eat, have a nice meal, digest, and then

they can still warm up and have a enough

time to prepare for the fight.

>> Um,

>> I think for the fighter's own safety,

you almost have to protect them from

that. And that's why they have the weigh

in the day before for their own safety

because they're there's guys that are

just gonna be stupid and the fights are

going to suffer. They're not going to be

as good because you're going to be more

depleted.

>> I just I just think there's going to be

people that understand you can't cut 20

pounds

the day of the fight and go and compete.

I think that's going to be the end like

the end all be all. like you're going to

come to the realization like hey

>> they'll just lose and then it'll weed

out the people that are doing that

>> and then they'll go okay so that didn't

work

>> right

>> I have to go up in the weight class and

this makes more sense for me

>> wouldn't it be better if we look we have

random drug tests right they just show

how many times you've been randomly drug

tested

>> um with USADA probably a lot um I know

they have it on the website you could

check how many times people have been

tested and whatnot so it's just random

now imagine if they did random random

weigh-ins fans.

>> That'd be cool.

>> Yeah. But then the problem would be what

happens the day of the fight?

>> That's,

>> you know, like what do you what if the

guy doesn't make weight?

>> Yeah.

>> Yeah. What if you have a giant

pay-per-view or a giant numbered card?

Is that dead?

>> Oh, you have a giant numbered card and

the guy doesn't cut weight or doesn't

doesn't make weight. What do you do? Do

you still have the fight?

>> I mean, we have the fight now.

>> Yeah.

>> So, like,

>> but I mean,

>> what changes? It would be different if

you only had a cut a few pounds though.

Like if it's So if you did it that way,

random weigh-ins and then weigh in day

of the fight.

Even if a guy was heavy, like you

weighed in, you know, 137 or whatever,

you're like, "Well, you got to lose two

pounds." Anybody can lose two pounds the

day of, and it's not that big a deal.

>> Yeah.

>> If you're not cutting weight already.

>> Yeah.

>> Yeah. If you're not cutting weight

already and you're fully hydrated and

you weigh in the scale at 137, 135 is

easy. or just penalize them the same way

we penalize them now.

>> You guys are just going to take the

penalty and fight bigger.

>> But it's like you're already you're like

for me [clears throat] if we did same

day weigh-ins I would have to fight at

155 pounds. There's no way possibly even

170 because that's the weight class. 165

would be the sweet spot where it's like

this is nice. I don't have to cut.

>> I'm probably going to fight guys more

than likely my size

>> and uh I'm going to feel good. I'm going

to have the energy to compete and I'm

not dehydrating myself severely. Or 155

where I could diet a little bit. I can

still get down. I hold myself for a

meal. Step on the scale. I can have my

meal. Now I feel good. I go compete. But

I'm not dieting all the way down to 135

lbs, 145 lbs.

>> So that's a 10 pound gap. You you see

what I'm saying? So that's why I think

the same day it makes sense because

you're not as depleted where it wouldn't

be as severe in comparison to what we're

doing now. I think that would be smart,

but I think the only way that's really

going to happen is if you have more

weight classes, like at least every 10

pounds. I mean, look at boxing. Boxing

has so many more weight classes than the

UFC. Like, how many weight classes are

there in boxing?

>> Too many. [laughter]

>> There's a lot. There's a lot.

>> Like every three pounds sometimes.

>> Well, the lighter weights, right? When

you get down to like atom weight and

straw weight and fly weight, like their

fly weights are [ __ ] tiny, you know?

Like their banttom weight is what? It's

not 135.