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saak you were at maral Lago on election

night I thought it' just be great if you

could tell us a little bit about what

the scene was like how was it and when

did you guys kind of know that Trump had

kind of the victory in the bag was it

pre uh the polls coming in because you

had poster data early or you know tell

us a little bit about the experience

there and when it all kind of came

together yeah I went over there I guess

around 7:30 I want to say Eastern Time

Tucker invited me to come on his show

Tucker was doing a live stream from the

library at moral Lago I'd actually never

been over there before there was also a

dinner going on in the ballroom which

was I think primarily for maral Lago

members and you know there were some

Senators there members of The Campaign

and then there was another room set up

with a bunch of TVs for basically the

the staff to watch the results come in

when I first got there people were kind

of just watching trying to find out the

early results I would say that the The

Whispers were positive but people didn't

fundly know more than the rest of us you

know everyone's kind of waiting for the

results to come in I did get a chance to

take a photo with the president actually

Elon came in separately around the same

time and we got a very memorable

photograph here when I shook the

president's hand I got to tell you he

was cool as a cucumber he did not seem

nervous did he feel confident like he

had it in the bag yeah I think he was

confident but I don't think he was

acting like he had it in the bag or

anything like that they didn't know yet

but he was just super super relaxed and

calm and um taking photos with everyone

a good you remember the moment when his

hand touched yours take us to that just

unpack it a little

bit give you the shake he gives that

little shake to exert a little dominance

did he give you the shake it was just a

normal handshake but my point is like I

could detect no nervousness whatsoever

on his part and look the rest of us were

we were like nervous we were wondering

what was whole country was nervous yeah

yeah and what were you guys doing just

hanging out having cocktails having

dinner just everyone was Meandering

chilling what's the scene what's the

scene like at Marva Lago there's a

dinner in the ballroom actually I saw

Jared there Jared was very nice to me he

he asked me do you want to sit down at

the at the dinner and I I could have

joined him but then I decided to do the

the live stream with you guys and I

pulled in Don Jr and we did the live

stream with with Don

Jr like I said are you officially a Mara

Lago member by the way for 500 large oh

my Lord is that true 500,000 well that's

what Don junr told us but look there's a

process to get in I mean I don't I don't

live in Palm Beach I I think it's the

Palm Beach Community is members of mar

Lago yeah so I think that there were you

know it wasn't a huge group of people at

maral Lago and really all the supporters

were convened at the convention center

in Palm Beach there were thousands of

people there I think originally they had

talked about doing a election night

party at maral Lago but it just got too

big so they moved it to the convention

center so I don't know whatever it was

that I dropped off the live stream with

you guys I then moved to the convention

center Got Back back on with new and

then we were kind of waiting at the

convention center we were all feeling

good increasingly so throughout the

night I would say that when Pennsylvania

finally got called then I think everyone

knew that it was in the bag at that

point and it was just a matter of time

before the election got called for for

Trump and then you know at some point

they kind of hurted us downstairs into

that large Ballroom where Trump gave his

victory speech with the rest of the

campaign staff so the final t it looks

like is going to be 3112 Electoral

College votes for president Donald Trump

versus KLA Harris's

226 just for context in 2016 Trump won

with 304 electoral votes and Biden won

in 20120 with

306 so it's a pretty sweeping Victory he

won all the supposed swing States this

year fairly resoundingly there's there's

no real super close calls there's some

close calls but but pretty resounding

victory chth what happened wow it's a

it's a really good question I think that

there's many layers of the

answer but I think in its most basic

calculation I think that the bottom fell

out of the democratic party and if

you look at

why there's

a simple explanation and then there's

the more nuanced explanation I think the

simple explanation is like they just

lost the

script I think that there was so many

people that just got really tired of

being spoken

at and

labeled misogynist racist fascist

transphobe whatever it was and there was

just these Litany of these judgmental

labels that would come out instead of

engaging on the topics at hand so I

think the Democratic party played this

game of trying to use

identities genders

races as a bid to basically get people

that they thought should always vote in

their direction to continue to support

them and instead what happened was

people just started to think for

themselves and say hold on a second I'm

just a normal person that wants to be

left alone what matters to me and I

think what Donald Trump spoke to was a

desire for folks to have economic

Prosperity a safe neighbor

neighborhood a predictable educational

curriculum where these kids could go to

school not be indoctrinated and come out

the other side and just know some useful

skills so that they could get a good job

and do better than they did and all

these basic truths ended up on the

ballot and so it was a bunch of

perception versus just a bunch of hard

realities and I think Trump stayed

focused and

ultimately made sure that people

understood that that's what he was

focused on and I think the Democrats

just went to this place of demagoguery

and labels and I think it was just a

resounding defeat and David I just want

you to like just to put a pin in on how

resounding it

is in California and New York which I

would say are the two most prolific

bastions of elitist liberal

thinking Democrats won those States in

some of the narrowest margins they've

ever

seen I think in 2020 they won California

by 29 Points it was barely half is what

they won by this year in New York it

shrunk to a 12-point margin so what is

this telling you it's telling you that

the Democrats really need to retool and

get back to First principles it was a

cataclysmic

dismissal of wokeism of cancel culture

of

judgmentalism it was an ringing

endorsement of a meritocracy

of just plain simple common

sense of talking with people and to

people being able to tolerate

disagreements remaining

friends all of those things were on the

ballot and it it was just an absolute

resounding victory for just

normaly that's what I think we saw we

saw a return to normaly Jason do you

think that that message got across more

clearly in this election than ever

before as some have claimed because of

the power of alternative media for

reaching the audience rather than having

everything pushed through reporters and

traditional Legacy Media in this case

many of the candidates particularly on

the Republican side went direct to the

audience through long form podcasts like

ours but also Joe Rogan and Lex and many

others and did that move the needle for

a lot of people in a way that won this

or was it the policies and the

difference alone yeah I well clearly

being on podcast was a major part of

Trump's strategy that people are

starting to report on right now and you

know in media you go where the audience

is and I think the Democrats just didn't

get that now stepping back I think the

number one problem here is the candidate

that the Democrats put up and probably

the close number two is inflation and

you know the economy as you know we all

know it's the economy stupid if you were

paying $2 for a cheeseburger at

McDonald's and now it's $4 that's what

people are going to remember and the

inflation that occurred over this last

four years was huge and people cited

that over and over and over again so

there's probably three buckets you could

put this conversation into there's the

candidate KLA Harris was a terrible

candidate she was put in at the last

minute and she was annointed and she

didn't go through a proper primary I

think that's probably number one in this

entire thing it was a terrible candidate

you're saying you're saying number one

is the candidate I number one's the

candidate uh number two I think because

remember Trump was incredibly unpopular

as well and all credit to Trump for

winning and running an incredible

campaign I mean just they they crushed

it on podcast with JD Vance turned out

to be spectacular on podcasts and really

delivered the

message and um you know then number two

is obviously inflation in the economy

and then I think number three is the

bucket that shamat started with which is

the country really really does not like

being told that they're racist or sexist

Etc cancel culture and you put those

three things

together one of the things that's coming

out right now is some of the ads and

we'll play an ad here I wanted you guys

to see this I think this ad sums up

exactly how bad kamla

was and we'll combine this ad with just

some of the statistics that have come

out of how many people have gone right

this is Charlemagne the God from The

Breakfast Club for those who don't know

in a Donald Trump ad taxpayer funded sex

changes for prison

surgery um for prisoners for prisoners

every

transgender inmate in the prison system

would have access hell no I don't want

my taxpayer dollars going to that comma

supports transgender sex changes in jail

with our money comma even supports

letting biological men compete against

our girls in their Sports Kamala is for

they them

president Trump is for you I'm Donald J

Trump and I approve this message and so

how does kamla come back from this with

black voters with male voters with

people who are tired of having this

agenda shoved down their throat

obviously it's going to be incredibly

difficult plus she was in charge of the

Border claimed she wasn't plus she was

in charge of uh you know and Biden were

in charge of the economy when inflation

spiked terrible candidate combined with

a bad track record combined with a

flawless campaign from Trump I think

easy Victory and you know if we pull up

this uh ft chart Nick that I sent you

ahead of time and I tweeted this you

know Americans Love winners and

Innovation and they hate socialism and

this woke nonsense and if you look at

how Trump's support increased look at

this chamat every single demographic

black Asian Hispanic 18 to 29 30 to 34

fale white college men except for two 6

5year old plus very moderately very

modestly went left and white college

women very modestly went left in terms

of increasing support otherwise a hard

shift right including some categories so

so so the biggest the biggest shift

right was in Hispanic and Asian

population right and these are groups of

people I think who you you can you can

double click on young people Hispanic

and Asians Asians believe in meritocracy

I think is what most people have read

into that dramatic swing and Hispanics

are anti or more traditional family

values and that's probably what pushed

that so far right but I wanted to just

get your take on that chart chamama in

relation to your handicapping of the

election and then how much comma and how

much the inflation played into it I

think that there are three ways to kind

of identify and tell me if you guys

think these are the wrong vectors

there's either the

policies the candidate

and the methods of the campaign all of

it it's all three right that's how I

kind of break down what happened in this

election cycle there's a a big

difference between the candidates as

people some people cannot see past the

fact that comma did not get any primary

vote some people cannot see past yep the

behavior of Donald Trump on Twitter and

when he talks to people and how he has

talked to people and perceived to be a

bully and the felony conviction and some

people cannot get past other factors of

those two candidates and then some

people can get past it I've been saying

this since I'm blew in the face but I'll

try it

again I think that the mainstream media

has been working hand inhand with the

Democratic party to propagate and move

forward an agenda that tried to vilify

Donald

Trump I did not know that when I

initially encountered him in 2015 as a

candidate but what you're supposed to do

as an adult is once you start to see a

pattern of behavior you know this is for

the safety security of your family this

is about how you think about

economically taking care of your family

like you have to

reerrr you must be prepared to change

your mind when you see important

information and I have said this till I

blew in the face but I'll say it again

if I think of all of the

people in the political infrastructure

of America that I have met

and spent time with from Bill Clinton on

I remember sitting and having dinner

with Barack Obama the day of

brexit and getting a note that he read

and he said oh my gosh and says wow the

UK just pulled out I was sitting across

from him that dinner I've been with all

of these

people the Democrats only come to me to

ask me for

money the only

politician that has ever called me

just to have a

conversation just to say thank you and

be kind the only one has been Donald

Trump isn't that incredible of all of

the people every other person has only

ever called and asked me for

money so what does that mean I think

what it means is that there has been a

concerted

effort to perturb the

way that you interpret who he

is separately there's been a concerted

effort to prop up whoever is sitting

against him in

opposition and I think this is an

opportunity to finally acknowledge that

if you trust these traditional Legacy

sources of helping you to get to a

decision you're going to get tricked

there's that old saying you know fool me

once shame on you but fool me twice

shame on me because I am now allowing

this to happen

and I think that for a lot of Americans

that is what happened I think it is

really as simple as that I think they

were able to see through the

veneer of an

attempt to malign and Corner somebody

and on the other side an

attempt to basically play on Vibes and

feelings and emotions and I don't think

that America wants that that is not what

they want in running the country they

want somebody serious running the

country where you can have disagreements

with them and you can still find an

opportunity to work together with those

people I think it's that sex do you do

you think about how important the policy

versus the

individual versus the way they ran the

campaign the media and how they reached

people as as kind of three vectors and

if so how would you kind of rank those

three in importance and what changed

people's votes and got them to vote

differently than they did in the last

election yeah I think it's a pretty good

framework I mean you have the message

you have the messenger and I guess you

have the the campaign at a tactical

level I think it's a little bit unfair

to blame this entire defeat on KLA

Harris being a bad messenger or

candidate it's true she's not the

greatest candidate she has a lot of

problems however I don't think she was

dealt particularly strong hand the fact

the matter is that we did have rampant

inflation in this country that really

hurt people in their pocketbooks every

time they went to the grocery store and

that resulted from the trillions of

spending that was agreed to by virtually

the entire Democratic party remember

they not only did they pass trillions in

spending they wanted four and a half

trillion more for build back better and

the only reason that didn't happen is

because mansion and Cinema voted against

it and can you imagine how much worse

how much worse would have been Mansion

was driven into retirement and Cinema

was basically kicked out of the party

she effectively told us that at the

all-in summit so this defeat is on the

entire Democratic party the Democratic

party was in support of Joe Biden and

KLA Harris's agenda they were in support

of the de facto open border policies

they were in support of the softon crime

Soros da decarceral policies you can see

that even in California which is a deep

blue State there's a huge backlash huge

this sort of insane soft on crime agenda

the Democrats have 70% of California

voted for prop 36

which basically reversed the excesses of

Prop 47 which a decade ago basically

made shoplifting legal in California you

know who opposed prop 36 despite its

massive popularity Gavin Nome KLA Harris

wouldn't say whether she supported it or

not so what you see is that even in blue

States the Democratic party Elites are

completely out of touch with what people

want and then finally you've got foreign

policy where I think that the the

Democratic agenda basically one to

engage in a proxy war with Vladimir

Putin because he's the Incarnation of

all evil that I think is blown up in the

collective West face that has been a

disaster that was supported by the

entire Democratic party so on issue

after issue that I think mattered in

this election you cannot just put the

blame on KLA Harris it's got to be on

the Democratic party as a whole and just

to Echo what Chamas said about the

cultural stuff they've talked down to us

they've lectured us they've insulted us

they've censored us they've gaslit us

they've tried to cancel us they've tried

to cancel us they tried to punish

descent with Warfare they turned Elon

into an enemy which was the single worst

own goal in history remember this wasn't

just and Joe Rogan don't

forget out as well Bernie supported Joe

Rogan but with Elon it wasn't just

disinviting him we never inviting him to

the EV Summit it goes all the way back

to Lena Gonzalez's tweet telling him to

F off and leave the state of California

so look the Democrat party as a whole

has to own this and they're not going to

start winning elections again until they

have an improvement in their agenda not

just their messenger so saak is this the

nature of democracy that over time when

you have a two-party system and one

party veers too far to the left or one

party veers too far to the right people

jump ship to the other party and

ultimately they pull the policies of the

party that they left back to the middle

and that's the way democracy is supposed

to work and has worked historically so

is this the way it's supposed to go and

do we project that four years from now

the Democrats will need to be and need

to adjust to the center and will'll see

less of this extremism because of the

way the voting turned out this this I

think that's a very interesting question

is whether the Democrats have the

necessary introspection to learn from

this loss I would say that one of them

does if you look at Mat glacius who's

someone I've sparred with on on Twitter

X who is a Democrat partisan he

basically tweeted a list of principles

that he thought the Democratic party

needed to adopt I read it and retweeted

I said laughing my ass off this is a

list of Republican principles it was all

about you know opposing woke and being

in favor of Merit and Innovation

tolerance I'm like great look you know

what if the Democratic party wants to

adopt these principles that's a

wonderful thing for the country I hope

that they do it okay but will they do it

I have my doubts you look at this tweet

by Ari f

where he talks about who the Democratic

party now is yeah I think that this is a

really important tweet because it sort

of tells you Sak who's going to be left

in the

room if these are the only people left

in the room the last thing they're going

to do is admit defeat right exactly so

what you see is that the Democratic

party base is these very affluent very

overeducated very non-religious types

and frankly I wonder whether they're too

out of touch to know they're out of

touch they're certainly very whiny and

entitled and I just don't think they're

going to

seed control of the party without a

fight and frankly they've disappeared so

far up their own woke asses that I don't

think they can find an electoral

majority if they try so if these people

stay in control of the party and these

are the people who you're seeing having

a mental breakdown on Tik Tok they're

posting all the videos they're insulting

the electorate and let's face it it's

not just on Tik Tok it's on the Legacy

Media it's on msdnc

it's basically the the Legacy Media who

are trying to diagnose a psychosis in

the American electorate to explain why

they were so wrong if those people stay

in control I think that the Republicans

could have an electoral majority as far

as the eye can see I completely agree

with you and I'll go even further which

is I think that the Democrats will lose

one of California or New York in the

next eight years if they don't attack

right that so that's the key question

they're not going to attack if you think

that the intelligent Genia quote unquote

the Bill Gates readed Hoffman of the

world that funds Dustin moskovitz that

funds the Democratic apparatus at the

highest

level if they can't change what are the

odds that the state infrastructure or

the local infrastructure changes I think

maybe on the margins the local

infrastructure can change more quickly

and adeptly because it just costs a lot

less money and it's much more

concentrated

but I think the states are very lagered

in that sense and I think that they take

the table scraps of what's left over so

if if you have the Democrats lead there

is no chance that if unless they change

the planks of their platform that the

state legislatures in New York and

California are going to change what they

believe Nick pull up the the link I just

sent so let me just underscore an

important aspect for you guys on this

which is the amount that the Democrats

spent in this campaign and obviously

they saw a significant negative return

they lost across the board Senate

majority House Majority governorships

the White House but they spent more here

you can see the difference between the

Harris campaign and the Trump campaign

spending Harris campaign spent nearly

$900 million the Trump campaign 350

million if you look at the super pcts

the super PCT spent 1.4 billion on the

Dem side roughly 400 million 450 million

on the Republican side and if you scroll

down in some of these key Senate races

the Dems far out spent the Republicans

and still lost the Ohio Senate race

shared Brown $58 million of spending

Bernie Moreno 21 million and Bernie

Moreno had a resounding Victory John

tester 84 million is spending Tim shei

22 million T Tim shei won the uh the

election so across the board the

spending was greater the return was

negative because money cannot overcome

common sense so my question again is

does this not necessitate attack to the

center for the Democrats they want to

see the party survive and if they're

going to continue to lose like this they

will not continue to maintain the same

policy agenda that got them into this

position in the first place jcal do you

think that the Democratic party will

need to tack to the center and that

they're going to start to adjust because

of this they they started that process

they knew that going into this election

and they started moving to the center it

was laughable in some cases because you

have like kamla talking about providing

sex changes for prisoners and you know

all of those receipts came out out so

even as she started to try to get to the

center people didn't buy it so of course

they're going to but what's very

interesting about spend there and the

genius of trump is earned media what's

earned media when you are trying to get

hits in media you will put them into two

buckets paid and earned what you just

showed was paid paid is considered what

you do if you can't earn media Allin

podcast is an example of earned media we

do this every week we earned our

audience we didn't pay anybody for this

audience and I think that was you know

what Trump did uh and JD importantly

someone someone that comes on the show

earns that uh correct so that's the

piece of this that I think is so

important you don't have to pay to go on

Joe Rogan but the candidate that the

Democrats put out there was so bad that

she could not even and I think Sax's you

know Master at setting people up here

the the Democrats put up a horrible

horrible candidate and I know sax is

saying oh it's not kala's fault kala

could not go on Joe Rogan because they

knew that it would be so embarrassing

and that she would get so embarrassed

that it would lose her votes his Doom

Loop uh you know observation from I

don't know eight weeks ago you had that

sax was exactly correct the more she

spoke the more she started going down

she was leading Trump at one point on

poly Market in some of these places and

she absolutely proved that she could

would not communicate well and so and I

just want to just circle back to the

point about inflation here's the

McDonald price increases that I was

mentioning before end of 2019 you could

buy a McChicken for a buck 29 and in mid

2024 it was

$389 the majority of Americans wind up

going to Taco Bell McDonald's every week

some cases multiple times a week you

cannot discount exactly how profound

this cost of eating food and buying

groceries had on this election it is the

number one issue I think this election

we can talk in our bubble about it but

about inflation this is what I mean by a

return to normaly these are normal

people problems how much does it cost to

put food on the table how much does it

cost to drive from point A to point B I

want to send my kid to a school where

they go and they learn the ABCs and the

one 123s because they're going to have

to graduate and compete with India and

China I don't want to worry about

indoctrination and all this other stuff

absolutely yeah so look I I did predict

the Doom Loop for Comm Harris two months

ago because she is just not good at

interviews or being off the cuff or

being unscripted not good is generous

yeah s sxra Damas was right about that

absolutely however and I would say the

biggest problem in her campaign is that

she would neither defend the Biden

Harris record nor say what she would do

differently the question you have to ask

is why and I think it's because she was

in a really tough position that her own

party put her in which is they said you

can't criticize Joe Biden yep because

he's the sitting president but at the

same time you can't defend him either

because he's so unpopular well what made

him unpopular Democratic party policies

they should have frankly looking back

they should have just let Joe Biden

defend his own record the old man must

have been in the White House nashing his

teeth saying please put me in the game

let me defend my own record he at least

believed in it the Democrats wouldn't

defend their own record because it was

so bad you have to put some blame for

that not just on KLA but on the entire

party that's my only Point sax it's so

obvious that the technique they used to

defeat Trump in 2020 after those chaotic

four years was hey do you want normaly

and thenni is that 15 million votes what

wait what's

that I I didn't hear the the joke I said

what what tactic was that 15 million

extra oh you're please don't start with

the conspiracy theories

well going to say this has to be a

conspiracy theory

nowy right who's the chart from what's

the Providence of the chart just just so

you know the Y AIS starts at 50 million

so don't be you know like a little too

crazy like they they mailed hold on we

go down this rabit let me just finish my

point then you guys can go to conspiracy

corner and say the election was stolen

the point I'm making here is obviously

Biden ran a very successful campaign

against Trump based on Vibes and based

on his creating chaos in the country in

most people's mind and this return to

normaly so that did work for them

previously it just didn't work this time

because they had to defend their record

on the border they needed to defend

their record on the economy and saxs is

exactly right they didn't touch that and

how do you not talk about their own

record and their record had some good

bright response to it record low

employment record high stock market and

we tamed inflation and they could have

had a really great discussion about

inflation and just said Hey listen both

of the last two terms there was a lot of

spending and so inflation manifested

during the last four years and uh hey we

tamed it so here we are we still have

record low unemployment we still have a

record high stock market and we tamed

inflation things are going to get better

but she couldn't even communicate that I

can communicate that better than the

presidential candidate

come on she could have easily done that

free let me just go back to your point

about the money it is true that the

Democrats had roughly three times as

much money as the Republicans did the

Democrats had something like a billion

dollars for this campaign the

Republicans had presal campaign for the

presidential campaign exactly the

Republicans obviously still won in a

landslide I'm sorry that excludes that

excludes the super pcts which had

additional funding that were going

towards supporting the nominee as fair

enough my point is just the Democrats

had a massive advantage on the money

side they also I think think had a

massive advantage on what you would call

the Legacy Media side I mean I don't

know how you put a value a dollar value

on what the Legacy Media has done not

just in this election cycle but for the

last eight or nine years they have

basically call Donald Trump a Nazi a

fascist a traitor a did it work or did

it their to get to that blew up in their

faces they called him an agent of Putin

they called him an insurrectionist they

called him a convicted fellow they

called him a dictator they've been

yelling that at the top of their lungs

now for at least four years the country

didn't believe it I would just say that

the Legacy Media spell is broken their

credibility has been destroyed and I

think that the repudiation of the Legacy

Media is one of the most important

results of this election it just shows

that the Democrats had I don't know how

you valued a trillion dollar propaganda

machine on their side and Trump was

still able to win and you have to at the

end of the day say that that's a result

not just of alternative media gaining

Steam and free speech on X I think those

were absolutely necessary enablers it's

also the fact that Trump has a trillion

dollar personality and is a tremendously

gifted communicator and politician in

his own unique way but then but finally

you have to say that the issues are on

Trump's side Americans want the border

to be sealed they see that the spending

and the bureaucracy in Washington are

out of control they do not want woke

cancel culture anymore they see America

getting over involved in Foreign Wars

they want the spending to be brought

back home where it benefits them these

are the key points of the Trump agenda

and at the end of the day whatever you

want to say about Trump he ran a

campaign based on issues he talked about

issues what did comma Harris run her

campaign on Vibes celebrity endorsements

name time debunked hoaxes I just want to

go around the horn real quick and ask

each of you guys once again I'm going to

ask you one more question after this

What mattered most was it the policy

sacks as you're proclaiming is what a

lot of people voted on was it the issues

with the candidate the individual or was

it the media or the the campaign tactics

are those three what What mattered most

you think in terms of moving votes what

moved the most V list I don't think you

can separate the man from the message or

the messenger from the message okay

listen if you had a conventional

Republican out there don't think that

they could have overcome the trillion

dollar propaganda machine in Hand of the

Legacy Media that being said I think if

Donald Trump had been campaigning with

Mitt Romney's message or Mitch

McConnell's message I don't think he

would have gone anywhere I don't even

think he would have been the Republican

nominee you have to say that Trump since

2016 has tapped into something very deep

in the American electorate and you know

this is something we can get into but I

think that if you look back now over the

last 10 years is clear that he's the

transformational figure in American

politics it's not Barack Obama with all

due respect j k your turn the policies

yeah the individual or the campaign

tactics it's very clearly this had to do

you know primarily with kamla it is the

candidate and how she was selected yeah

I mean obviously if you had it's it's

interesting for you to say that as a Dem

right because I think that may have

chased a lot of people moderate I'm not

a

voted Republican one third of the time

maybe even a little bit more recently

but two two3 you voted them so you were

open to that and I'm leaning moderate I

mean I've been very clear about that my

record's been very clear about that it

is clear that it was her because I will

say if you had put up fredberg and I

think it's great that you're forcing us

to pick one of the

three and it's a hard thing to do but if

you had picked Dean Phillips and Shapiro

I think they would have beat Trump very

easily or because remember Trump was

phenomenally unpopular and I think the

big question that's to come out of this

is how did Elon do getting young men and

how did Joe Rogan and podcasts like ours

do at getting young men to come out and

vote that's something we haven't talked

about yet and I feel like that could be

the one thing that comes out of this

election over the coming years that we

look at that'll be the sustainable

change is that young men are now voting

and they want to vote for something very

different than white women or old people

and chamat what is your on What mattered

most do you have one of those three how

would you wait you to R I think the

policies of the democratic party are

fundamentally

broken they've become the exact opposite

of where they were even 20 years ago so

the Democrats used to be the protector

of free

speech now they are pro censorship the

Republicans are free speech the

Democrats used to be all about anti-war

now they are more like

to get mangled into all of these foreign

Misadventures in partnership with the

military industrial complex whereas the

Republicans have been a bull workk to

war and they embraced the chaines

ultimate proof of that oh my gosh I mean

that was the scariest and oddest turn of

events so I think that what happened is

the policies they just lost their way

now the question is was it purposeful or

was it by accident and I think that

belies the bigger question which is just

the people in charge of the democratic

party I think to Sak's

point do they even have a sense of that

they have to change or are they just so

now fundamentally out of touch and they

just believe what they believe so

ferociously they're going to have to go

through maybe three or four or five more

elections of just getting totally

trounced in order to learn the lesson

okay I'll I'll um I'll wear my mlin hat

and say chof right answer now my next my

next question back to you chath is

I've had a lot of conversations in the

last few days um with good friends with

people I'm close with with family and so

on hold on freeberg what do you think

before you ask the next question I think

policy matter but but here's the the the

stumbling block if you talk to anyone

that did not vote that that did not vote

for Trump and voted for kamla Harris

that is you know kind

of reasonable people or what you know I

I don't want to kind of classify people

but people that you would normally have

decent long form conversations with and

you start talking specific policy issues

with them the convers keeps coming back

to Trump the person in my experience

people can't see past a person who is a

quote convicted felon as they claim who

is taking away women's rights who is a

bully who is mean a lot of this is

influenced by his past behavior and

things he said and the way he's said

things and done things on Twitter we can

we can Proclaim that there was a lot of

misrepresentation about Trump in the in

the Legacy Media but there were a lot of

tweets that Trump put out that we

offputting to a lot of people so I want

you chamat to speak to the many

individuals out there who are good

people who feel disenfranchised who are

not like the the funny people you can

make fun of on Libs of Tik Tok or what

have you but just everyday normal people

that said I really don't trust the guy I

really don't believe that this is a good

person and I think that the policies

make more sense I agree with a lot of

the policy issues but frankly the guy

doesn't seem like the right guy for me

how do you kind of break through is that

possible and can you speak to that

person to help them kind of see past the

individual to the policies and have

trust and faith that this individual can

actually Shepherd this nation

forward there are so many very powerful

examples of how the

media

colluded with the Democratic

party to fundamentally lie about things

that actually happened when it relates

to Donald Trump

one of the most simple and

Powerful was the lie about

Charlottesville when I process

Charlottesville I'm probably one of

those people David that you talk about I

was just so scared and angry and I took

at face

value what the media said that Donald

Trump

said and then I was really angry at

Donald Trump until I saw the footage and

saw that it was just an complete

lie and that is just an incredible

shirking of responsibility that the

media has undertaken the

deviousness the

dishonesty it's really bad and that's

where I said I have to stop as a grownup

rational man as the head of my family I

need to reer where I'm coming from well

head of my family with Nat when she lets

me be but

anyway feel I can feel

her you listen to I can feel that one

back to H me keep that line in Nick I am

the head of my family okay anyways

guys let's get let's get back up go back

go back go back go

back but but the thing is like I started

to reenter it

and I do that every day in my day job

I'm running a company is 8090 going well

or not well it depends on the conditions

on the ground when things are going well

I need to do more of those things when

things are not going well I need to re

underwrite is it something that I'm in

control of is it something that I've

missed how do I change it how do I get

my team to be better I live it every day

in investing it's the same thing you

know there was periods where I was on

top of the world and everything was

working then there were waves where

things were not working but I still had

to show up and do my job well as it's

turning out in those Darkest Hours was

when I probably have made some of my

absolute best new Investments that would

not have happened if I did not keep my

feet on the ground and constantly re

underwrite and try to challenge my

biases there are so many examples that

have happened to Trump that when you

actually unpack them there was a

concerted effort to lie and that is why

it's important for folks

to be able to suspend that judgment the

second thing I would say is then you saw

four years of the man in office and if

you actually

separate the interpretation by the media

who frankly just hate him with what he

actually did you take a step back and

you're like man these accomplishments

were incredible for example let's look

at what happened with the Abra hemicords

we have never been closer to substantial

and sustained peace in the Middle East

in any era of government under any

president than we were when Jared

Kushner on behalf of Donald Trump

negotiated those agreements and look how

far we have slipped since

then and all of that happened as a

result

of the incoming government wanting to

undo what was so logically right in in

the first

place and part of that was to feed a

media cycle so again I just go back to

David all of these normal people and I

know a lot of them as well speak to them

yeah like I mean yeah you guys need to

just take a step back and take a beat

and just think about something for a

second how do so many normal high

functioning well-intended people switch

sides how did that happen now jcal let

me ask you the flip side of the coin you

have expressed publicly recently even on

a podcast yesterday with Sachs in

vigorous debate on the show many times

reservations about Trump and the

character of trump yeah how do you feel

you obviously align with the policies

that he's highlighted and indicated you

you've said so absolutely yeah do you

see past the person or do you still have

a a strong degree of reservation about

the individual and do you see that

playing out in your cohort friends

family what have you that there's strong

reservation because of the character

yeah it's a great question you know I

think the thing we have to do now is

come together as a country he's the

president it's great that it was not a

debatable election and we're not going

to have riots at the capital and people

beating up police officers and now it's

time to actually look at what Trump said

and then we will grade him on what he

actually gets done and and you know if

he is able to hang out with the cohort

of Elon and chamath and Sachs and JD

Vance I feel a lot better about it now

there's a lot of people speculating he

will turn on shth he will turn on Sachs

he will turn on Elon and that

relationship will end in the next year

or two that's what I'm looking at Will

trump actually do the things he says

he's going to do and what did he say he

was going to do well he's not going to

have a National Abortion man he's not

going to have kick people out who get

college degrees here remember he said on

the show he's going to staple the green

guard to it and but then there's other

and he said he's going to end the

Ukraine the war in Ukraine on day one so

let's make a list of all the things he

promised and like anybody else let's

judge him based on what he gets done now

some of the things he promised like the

mass deportation of 15 million people I

think a lot of people even on this

podcast probably don't agree with I

don't think anybody here wants to see 15

million people who came here to have a

better life and who are working hard and

who are productive m MERS of our society

literally get dragged out of here the

the 500,000 that are criminals or a

million sure nobody wants to see them uh

get a free pass here but you know

there's going to be some of the items on

his agenda that are going to be very

uncomfortable to see executed and some

of them would be amazing and miracles if

he comes in and all of a sudden Ukraine

war is settled fantastic if he starts

dragging a million people

every you know two or three months out

of the country

that could be absolutely

disastrous and incredibly hard to watch

happen in America so we got a judgment

based on his actions that's great let's

give him the support he needs and I

really hope you know the thing that

gives me hope is the fact that saak

chamath Elon and JD Vance are by his

side so I'm goingon to move on to the

rest of the election the other races so

so the presidency we've talked about

let's talk about the house and the

Senate sacks in the house there's 37

races that have yet to be called but it

looks like the Republicans need about 12

more to be called to have a majority it

seems very likely I mean ACC according

to poly Market it's 99% that the

Republicans will have the majority in

the house the Republicans have control

of the Senate and Trump is in the White

House what are the top policy items that

the Republicans will pursue with this

degree of legislative and executive

control what's number 1 two3 on the list

what's top priority and how are they

kind of getting together to figure out

what and how to

execute those items in the in the weeks

and months after January

20th well so first of all I think the

Senate majority matters a lot in terms

of trump getting the appointments that

he wants because if he was just at 51

let's call it it would be quite hard

Susan Collins and Lisa marowski tend to

be very very moderate uh Republicans and

would oppose I think a lot of

conservative appointments Trump's

already at 53 senators and there's two

more that are still up for grabs and

waiting to be counted so he might get to

54 in the next week or so it just means

he's going to have a Freer range on

appointments I think that'd be really

good for for uh Bobby Kennedy I think it

might be harder to get Bobby Kennedy

confirmed for a major cabinet post with

51 with 53 54 I think we get there I

think that's a really great thing for

the country there's other appointment

appointments in a similar vein that I

think it be easier for for Trump to get

through in terms of the rest of the

agenda I mean Trump clearly does want to

end the war in Ukraine is he going to be

able to do it on day one no I mean I

don't think that's realistic because

frankly the ukrainians are not willing

to make the concessions yet they're not

in a place where they're willing to make

a deal I still think that what Trump was

saying during the campaign if you look

at it as expression of his motivations

and where his sentiments are coming from

they were good sentiment but if he can't

solve it on day one because the

ukrainians don't want to make a deal I

can't really fault him for that but I

think he'll try I think that on Doge

there's clearly a strong desire of many

in the Republican party and Elon and the

people that Elon brought with him for

major government reform much more

efficiency much less spending I think

that we have to get as much of that past

as possible in the first certainly the

first year there's a necessity for

legislative action to get all the cuts

in federal spending that they're looking

to cut is that right Sach so if if

elon's objective is cut trilon there

might be some things you can just do

through executive orders and they should

do as much as they can but I think you

do need some congressional action as

well this is an area where it's just

going to be really hard because spending

is a bipar and problem and it's going to

be really hard to jam through the type

of deep reform that we really should

have at the federal level but I think

that now there's a shock because Trump

does have majorities in the House and

Senate that he can at least get

something through so at least we have a

shot of getting something done there are

we going to get two trillion in Cuts

Like Elon wants I would love that I

doubt you're going to be able to pass

that through Congress but do you start

with that number and then work your way

down to a number that you can get both

parties to support maybe that's possible

hopefully I would have started I would

have started with three

then but I mean that's just my that's

just my tactic but whatever but I think

reforming the bureau is just such a huge

theme coming out of this election and we

just have to figure out how to get that

done got the Mandate we have the Mandate

that's Trump's mandate and the the

federal government is such a large

sprawling it is the largest organization

on earth except for maybe the CCP and in

that sense you really have to have

leverage in leadership to be able to

realize that degree of action at that

scale so the cabinet positions matter a

lot to realize that agenda is that is

that fair to say chth and you know maybe

we can talk a little bit about who are

the the folks in the orbit of Donald

Trump and the transition team that are

being considered for different cabinet

posts and you know as an adviser or as a

let's call you a theoretical adviser uh

to the transition

team what are the kind of key posts that

matter to you how would you kind of

advise them who to look for that could

really realize the outcome that the

Mandate is dictating well I I have no

influence on this process so I'm just

totally spitballing but right people who

I think

are who I think are excellent I'm going

to put Bobby Kennedy right at the top of

the

list I think that Bobby has an

opportunity to allow the transparency of

information that will allow folks to

keep doing what we've done or to change

course in a way that right now I think

is a little bit more difficult than it

needs to be

I think Vive

ramaswami is indefatigable I think he's

a you know if you remember back to the

Republican primaries there was only one

person that did not attack Donald Trump

and it was viic I think he um believed

in what Donald Trump was doing and was

willing to sort of embrace and extend

this idea so I think he'd be a really

good proxy I don't know what role that

looks like but I just think that he

would be exing there's some rumors that

he's going to run for governor Ohio but

he'd be amazing in the federal

government tulsy gabard we got to get

there yeah yeah I just just to go

through the list I think tulsy gabard is

so awesome for what role what would you

put her in you know the rumor is is

Veteran Affairs yeah Veteran Affairs but

you know hopefully it's at least that

yeah that's a cabinet position right

just for those who you know there's

another race that's going on that's

really below the surface but is

extremely important and that is the new

Senate Majority Leader MIT Mitch

McConnell says he stepping aside there's

two major C th versus Mike Lee yeah well

it's it's John th versus Corin from

Texas and Mike Lee has been sort of

agitating it's not clear that Mike Lee

will throw his hat in the ring if he did

I would be all in favor of it if Mike

Lee who is from Utah doesn't we should

really go with whoever he recommends I

really trust that Mike Lee will

represent the Maga agenda whereas quite

frankly the other candidates will be a

continuation of Mitch and this Trump's

moment to weigh in on that he's basking

in the glow right now he is in the

winter Circle he can get anything

through the Republican caucus and I

think that he could weigh in right now

in the Senate majority race and make

sure the right person gets it if you get

a continuation of Mitch McConnell you

will not get real reform through the

Senate look at what happened during

Trump one Mitch McConnell was one of

Trump's biggest opponents so there would

be Alternatives but I think Trump would

have to step in and act there's some

talk about Rick Scot from Florida being

a candidate I think he'd be very good if

he's still in the race or just go right

over the top and go with a Mike Lee this

is your moment to basically put in a

loyalist and then the big cabinet

positions that are left I think defense

probably somebody like Rick grenell

who's already worked for Trump and was

the dni right at the end I

think and then in treasury it's you know

I think people say it's between scottt

bessent and

John

Paulson I'm not so sure I don't know fed

Governor I think it's like probably

hasal but then you know I saw like you

saw Jerome pal Jerome pal this morning

said he would not step aside if asked to

resign by Donald Trump no he's got two

more years so he's got until 26 he's got

until mid 26 so you know I mean the

rumor I don't want to say too much but I

think this is pretty much out there I

think reyell wants State not defense I

think that it's not to say he's going to

get it I don't know but that's been out

there for a long time I I think that

what a lot of people in let's call it

the Maga movement the America first

movement are going to be looking at very

closely is do neocons worm their way

into this Administration look at what

happened during Trump one he ran in

opposition to Forever Wars I think was a

major part of his appeal it's what

allowed him to shatter the bush Dynasty

it's what I think really hurt kamla in

terms of having the Chinese Embrace her

so it's a major part of his I'd say not

just appeal but also his legacy that he

will not continue forever Wars but the

problem is that the blob keeps

infiltrating the Trump Administration or

they did they infiltrated Trump one by

putting in John Bolton and esper and all

these guys who frankly betrayed Trump

totally so I think a lot of people are

looking closely at will neocons be able

to worm their way into this

Administration and if they do it's a

very it would be very very sad I think

the difference this time around which is

so incredible is that you're now seeing

on

X people asking all the neocons to be

named and shamed and they're creating

these lists so that they can't worm

their way in it's the most incredible

thing I've ever seen where have you

espoused those views in the past if so

the likelihood that somebody will raise

an alarm Bell now on the so that you

can't get near this

Administration I've never seen anything

like that before actually yeah and you

know what here's the great danger is you

look at the last few months okay who was

there for trump it was people like Elon

it was basically you know all of us who

worked and look I'm a very minor minor

figure but I did my little part and

there were a lot of other people on the

ground doing their thing but where is

Elon today Elon had to fly home for a

Tesla board meeting he's got real

companies to run and who all of a sudden

shows up in maral Lago the swamp

creatures they were nowhere to be found

for the last three months now the swamp

creatures come crawling out and they're

going to be swarming Mara Lago and

trying to worm their way into the

administration and that's that's the the

issue is we got to keep you know this is

where I I hope that all the the Maga

influencers Stay Frosty and stay

involved we have to consolidate this

Victory and get reform type people in

the administration not just the usual

type people from Washington would you

serve if asked no I mean look I I've

already said before I'm the key manic

craft I can't do that but you know look

I would do something part-time meaning

if it wasn't a full-time job if I didn't

have to leave my current job if it was

just serving on some advisory committee

or something that that was compatible

with my current job I would do that

that's a no-brainer I would love

absolutely if not full-time because I'm

running a company but yeah if there was

the opportunity to help basically just

put me on the Doge committee sacks if

you wouldn't mind I just want to go like

line item by line item in one afternoon

and I'm out of there like I'm just gonna

go did say this today but he said The A

Team are running companies we're all

we're all running companies but if asked

to serve especially in a part-time

capacity where you don't have to divest

everything you own and you can actually

just go and call and actually

just make sure good decisions get made

it would be an honor to serve in that

capacity yeah I think everybody should

have given a chance I want to say one

thing just to build on yeah and then I

want to ask you one more question sham

go ahead I do want

to give a shout out to Elon and in one

very specific way you know you've heard

all these stories where he gets obsessed

about something

and then he focuses on it at the sake of

everything else and strips it down and

gets to First principles rebuilds it

back up and it

works and as far as I can tell basically

when he decided that this election was

going to come down to

Pennsylvania on one hand and young men

on the

other he just kept doing that one thing

over and over and over again every time

you turned on X he was doing a rally

crazy he was speaking to the residents

of Pennsylvania and spent like two weeks

there young disaffected voters and

getting them out and then his pack built

an

infrastructure that rivaled the

Democratic infrastructure in terms of

get out the vote and

transation with a lot less money and

only a month or two is is incredible

well and then the sweet Stakes was also

inred it's really really incred there

was a lot of controversy around the

sweepstakes idea I don't know why that

was so controversial because if you

think about that was the media trying to

make an issue that was a nothing Burger

a burger yeah and so they you know I

think this is where it was dismissed on

its face because if any person spent

eight seconds understanding the law the

the the judge dismissed it within an

hour so you know if we look at that

million

sweep Stakes to sign up for his pack if

you think about how people normally uh

get people to sign up they're paying a

dollar a click probably $50 a click

whatever it is using giving money to ABC

or giving money to Facebook and he just

said hey I'll just do a sweep stake sign

up for this and then I have you in the

database and then I can Market it to you

there's no difference between giving

away a million dollar sweep Stakes or

buying a bunch of ads and paying by

click and for everybody to frame that as

he's buying votes when it was so clear

he wasn't

I think that's the kind of media

manipulation people are getting Savvy to

and does not work anymore it was very

clear it was just a sweep Stakes to sign

up for his pack no different than paying

$10 a click to Facebook when the legal

infrastructure of America dismisses a

case on its face within 60 Minutes of it

being heard it means it is a farce yeah

I mean look I think what Elon showed is

that a smart person can come in who who

basically like you said can go into

demon mode with how a startup or

innovation mentality is willing to spend

money but wants to do it smartly but is

really hardcore can come in and beat the

supposed professionals their own game I

think one of the big stories that's

going to come out there's already some

tea being spilt within Democratic

circles about Jen Ali Dylan who was the

campaign manager that kamla Harris

inherited from Biden she had a billion

dollars to spend billion doll the

campaign still ended $20 million in debt

in debt and this at least has been

reported Mone go so well I'll tell you

the money went to expensive Consultants

they did overly elaborate staged events

they did these like fake concerts

celebrity cameos supposedly they paid

Beyonce $10 million and they didn't even

get a song out of it and that ended up

you know pissing off she got paid they

were paying I don't know if that's true

I just read it in a tweet so I I can't

say for sure but that's what I read yeah

who knows it sounds it sounds suspect

but the point is they spent a lot of

money on the consultants and you know

the events and Elon went after the Amish

you know that's like a lot smarter the

person on the Democratic side where I

feel the most disappointment after all

of this is Barack

Obama I think he in the period when he

was elected to me was just

Transcendent and I thought that this is

a person that

really was immune to getting assimilated

into the B and I don't know why I

thought that but I did think that and I

was just so saddened to see the tone and

the rhetoric from Barack Obama during

this last home stretch it I think was

reputationally very damaging to him what

did you say that offended you it was

less about it didn't offend me it was

just observing or disappointed you the

when the rhetoric was you know trying to

propagate these lies the very fine

people hoax all these things I just

thought he's so much smarter than the

abortion ban the abortion ban he knows

that these things are not true why is he

saying objective lies I don't really

judge politicians for doing it in

general but I never considered him a

politician I sort of considered him here

just like this Echelon

above and I and I was I was really

disappointed that he chose to go down

that path yeah well I I I could

definitely add to that I mean look I

think o Obama's whole Mystique was that

he transcended into politics and he

tried to maintain that position of being

above the fry and Let The Grubby

business of politics be beneath him and

even during the whole coup against Biden

I mean they say that Obama signed off he

was basically in favor of the the

switcheroo to Harris but he was the last

person to endorse it right he did not

want to be seen as doing the dirty work

that was left to Nancy Pelosi but

there's no question that the switcheroo

I think was was backed by Obama and then

he did everything he could to prop of

Harris including using the very fine

people hoax telling these lies and I I

agree chamath I think that he has

diminished himself he's brought himself

now down to the level of politics down

to the level of a average politician

right I think probably you're

disappointed because you had such a high

Benchmark for him but we were just

talking about Trump saying he would end

the war on day one he said that he's

going to deport 15 million people and

you know all these politicians lie so I

think my closing statement on all of

this is y'all were a key part in putting

Trump in obviously and if he starts

behaving in the way he behaved during

his first term the darker things he did

I hope that y'all will call him on it

and publicly call him on it and that he

will steer towards you know his better

angels and that's my hope for America

and my hope for all of you who helped

put him in office and played a very

significant role in getting him here

when he does something crazy if he does

try to drag 15 million people out the

the country is that okay with you sex

well you said that he would start with a

million of people 500,000 to a million

who are clear criminals he should do

that what JD said and we all agree yeah

JD said that the way you about the other

14 he said that the way that you do

deportations is the same way you eat an

elephant you do it one bite at a time

eat a sandwich so the way you eat an

elephant is you do one bite at a time

let's start with the biggest criminals

the biggest people who shouldn't be here

and then let's see what happens after

that and look if he went 14 million what

would you you be in support of that I we

haven't gotten there yet the point is

you take the first bite of the sandwich

then you talk about the second bite but

there was a line from the 2016 election

about Trump that I think was attributed

to Peter teal which is very important

which is that Trump should be taken

seriously but not

literally sometimes when he expresses a

policy or a point of view he sells it so

when he says I'm going to end the

Ukraine war on day one does that mean

he's literally going to do it on day one

no what it means is he's going to try

really hard to end the Ukraine war if he

does it on day 365 of his presidency

instead of day one I'm not going to come

out and say he lied he didn't do what he

said no I'm going to say he got the job

done he did what he said he was going to

do so I think it's very important to

judge him in that way when he says I'm

going to deport 15 million people do I

expect him to do all 15 million not

necessarily but if he closes the Border

builds the wall seals it so it's no

longer a problem and deports 500,000 to

a million hardcore criminals out of this

country I'm going to say that was a

massive success and you know what's

going to happen Legacy me is going say

well he lied because he didn't Deport

the other 14.2 million come on let

understand let's understand the

difference between camping and governing

I agree with all that and I do think if

he does try to do the 14 million that's

the thing I have concerns about got it

okay freeberg over to you so let's talk

about the cabinet positions chamath a

guy like RFK Jr has never held an

executive position before you and others

on this panel saaks J myself we''ve all

kind of managed large groups of people

we've all been in positions of being a

CEO of a business you talk a lot about

bringing in The Outsiders and the Trump

campaign talks a lot about bringing

these Outsiders sexs begrudgingly

highlights the swamp creatures emerging

to ask for those slots and those

positions because they are lifelong

politicians and bureaucrats how do we

have trust and faith or do you think

that that's the whole point is that you

have folks that don't have the

experience to run these organizations

that don't have the insights on who

actually works there on how they operate

and them coming in is going to provide

enough of a fresh perspective and things

up enough that that's exactly the point

and like talk a little bit about

bringing in Outsiders but Outsiders that

can be effective in transforming these

government agencies not just blowing

them up or is the goal to blow them

up no again I would I would just temper

and tone down that rhetoric there's not

nobody's blowing up anything but I think

step one is going to be a level of

transparency so that doing the obvious

becomes obvious and I think that if you

look back over 40 or 50 years what has

happened is that secretaries and

political appointments have gone from

get the best person in the job because

they know it to here's political Peola

if you will and I think the pendulum has

swung to two far of an extreme that's

why the Swamp People are able to

maintain control because the person

above them who's appointed doesn't

fundamentally know the inner workings of

the

organization I suspect what you're going

to see is a radical push to

transparency and I think that when you

combine transparency and SX called for

this a version of the Twitter files for

the government I do think you're going

to see that but if you combine that push

to transparency with a handful of topics

you know by the way we introduced a long

time ago this idea of zerob based

budgeting into the Lexicon and language

of these political candidates that they

used all the way through to the Finish

Line I do believe the Republicans

earnestly mean it and so I think when

you put these two things together

freeberg I think what you will have is

all of this laid be and then I think

it'll start a debate on what to do and I

think the the decisions about what to do

will be so blindingly obvious the lwh

hanging fruit will save this country

once we pluck it can can I say a word

about I I think it's so important for

Bobby Kennedy to be confirmed in

whatever c a position that he's going to

get number one you know we look back the

campaign now and it seems obvious that

Trump was going to win it but at the

time that Bobby Kennedy came on board

that was a major factor in shifting

momentum towards Trump so that's number

one number two we need to keep Bobby

Kennedy's Coalition as part of our

movement it's not just about what he did

in this last election it's keeping all

of those people those young people and

those former Democrats on side and part

of the Republican Party in the Maga

movement and number three he's genuinely

going to reform that huge part of the

bureaucracy

and that's extremely important we need

Outsiders to come in and shake things up

he's right about the regulatory capture

he's right about the marriage of state

power and corporate greed let's have

someone go in there who's got fresh eyes

but also understands how the bureaucracy

works because he's litigated and shake

things up if you look at what Bobby

posted to Instagram Nick I don't know if

you can find it but it was pretty

telling on this dimension

of the first inning is going to be about

absolute radical transparency and

sharing with the American people

everything that's been that's been under

the covers by the way it's not just on

that Dimension right we're going to see

the Epstein files we're going to see the

Diddy lists we're going to see the JFK

file I know that these things are sort

of Fringe conspiracy theory type things

for some people but the point is from

Pillar To Post that first phase of this

radical truth seeking

transparency is an incredible

disinfectant that you can build from and

he told the FDA I think something to the

effect of pack your bags and keep your

records now let's let's take the

hyperbolic part of it out but it's the

keep your records part that should be

valuable because we deserve to have

answers now when you think at the same

time that you have inventions like AI

that can crunch every single piece of

data Under the Sun and tell you the