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Investors have [music] displayed their
nervousnesses by selling tech stocks and
all AI related plays. That is why NASDAQ
is down 7% from its all-time high. So
many companies reported this week.
PayPal [music] company reported numbers
that once again show the problems
plaguing the payment sector. Microsoft
had a good quarter. I would not
characterize Meta's quarter as a good
one. It was quite bad. [music] Starbucks
has been a turnaround story that finally
looks like it's working. Apple was
disappointing. [music] Amazon was
strong. Migrating from thinking that AI
is all positive to AI is all negative is
a pretty short emotional road to [music]
take. The story is moving too quickly.
But here is where I think we are now.
[music]
Hi, this is Steve Eisman and this is
another episode of the weekly rap. This
is for the week ending Friday, July
31st, but recorded Thursday night, July
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On this week's rap, we will cover number
one charter, number two, the war in
Iran, number three, the Fed meeting,
number four, the AI debate in more
detail, number five, a huge week of
earnings, and six one mail pack. Before
we get started, let me discuss Charter.
The company reported last week and
bottom line, I give up. Simply put, I
made a mistake. I recommended the stock
in January on a thesis that the stock
was insanely cheap and fundamentals
would get better. When the company
reported fourth quarter numbers, it
looked like fundamentals would get
better as the pace of broadband losses
improved. Unfortunately, when the
company reported 1 Q26, the pace of
broadband losses deteriorated and the
second quarter saw more deterioration
again with 172,000
broadband losses, which was
unfortunately much worse than expected.
Management stated that the worst is over
and the company paid down some debt,
which is important. However, at this
point, I'm skeptical. Despite its cheap
valuation, this stock is problematic
until the broadband story gets better.
Two really bad quarters [snorts] in a
row is enough for me. I'm selling. If
the fundamentals ever turn, I could come
back to this stock, but I hate thesis
creep. And continuing to own the stock
just because it's cheap, and it is
cheap, would be thesis creep.
Ironically, the stock is higher than
when the company reported. On Friday of
last week, the stock closed at $123,
a 52-W week low. By this Thursday night,
the stock had climbed 15% to $142.
However, the rally in the stock in my
view has nothing to do with Charter. At
least for this week, investors are
reallocating out of AI related plays and
that is benefiting Charter's stock
price. I want to emphasize that I have
not yet sold my position. I recommended
the stock to my viewers and I strongly
believe that I should not sell until I
inform my viewers of my opinion change.
I will be selling the stock next week.
With respect to Iran, there was a lull
over the weekend, but that seems to be
over. Iran struck US bases and the US
retaliated. Oil prices climbed above
$90. The Fed met this week and kept
rates unchanged. However, partially
because of the recent jump in oil
prices, some investors are afraid that
the Fed is behind the curve. So, on
Wednesday, the market experienced
something of a correction, and the
10-year is hovering dangerously close to
4.7%.
Also, before we get to this week's news
and earnings reports, I want to
re-examine something I said last week
about AI, that the terms of debate have
changed. I strongly believe that this is
so. Last year, just about everyone was
positive. Every announcement of an
increase in AI capex was greeted with
massive stock price increases. Now the
debate is much more complicated. AI is
capital intensive. AI may have no moes.
And Chinese AI companies have created
great models that are much cheaper,
thereby creating the possibility of a
price war. Investing is not all
rational. It's emotional too. and
migrating from thinking that AI is all
positive to AI is all negative is a
pretty short emotional road to take.
However, my opinion, anyone who thinks
they can confidently predict the
ultimate outcome for AI is just kidding
themselves. The story is moving too
quickly. The facts change weekly, and I
really don't know where this will all
end up, but here is where I think we are
now. Despite the fact that the
hyperscalers have become incredibly
capital-intensive businesses, they do
have businesses that have some level of
moes. Anyone who wants to do anything
with AI, whether it is an LOL model or
an agentic AI or something else will
have to house it with a hyperscaler. And
there are only going to be a few
hyperscalers. First, for those who
sometimes get confused, and it's easy to
get confused. There is a major
difference between hyperscalers and LLM
providers. The hyperscalers are the huge
tech companies that are building the
data centers where the LLM models are
being housed. Anthropic and Open AI have
created LLM models which are closed
source models. The Chinese LLM models
are so far open source. There is overlap
between LLMs and hyperscalers. Google
and Microsoft are hyperscalers, but they
also created their own LLM models. The
amount of money it takes to be a
hyperscaler is insane. And that
expenditure itself is a moat. There are
only going to be a few hyperscalers. So
the hyperscalers like Google, Amazon,
Microsoft, and Oracle have real
businesses here. What the returns will
look like, I don't know yet, but they
have real businesses. The large LLM
providers, Anthropic and Open AI and
partially Google and Microsoft are much
more problematic. Here the debate has
really shifted because there just don't
seem to be any moes or at best the moes
are shallow. Enterprises are switching
between models and using cheaper
opensource Chinese models in order to
control costs. This is a good time to
discuss open- source models of the
Chinese versus the closed source models
in the US, including the four I just
mentioned, Google, Microsoft, Anthropic,
and OpenAI. An open-source model means
you can take the model and change the
code to your liking. Closed source means
you cannot. At this point, looks like
open- source models are just much
cheaper. The future for these large LLM
providers is very questionable. The
Chinese models are much cheaper and this
could eventually cause a price war.
Anthropic and open AI are also
problematic because they don't have the
breath of revenue streams of Google and
Microsoft. Google and Microsoft have
multiple revenue streams from
established businesses which are very
unlikely to simply disappear. They also
have hyperscaler businesses to balance
their vulnerability. But their LLM
businesses are also questionable. A key
thing to monitor to determine a catalyst
for a real sustained selloff is the
health of anthropic and open AI. If the
lack of moes begins to cause them
problems, then the entire AI ecosystem
could go through a correction phase
because so much of the hyperscaler
backlogs are from these two companies.
For example, of Oracle's 600 plus
billion backlog, around half is from
open AI. On the other hand, AI is
allowing the creation of software and
other tech that is much cheaper than
existing software and tech. We could be
entering an age of massive amounts of
startups as young entrepreneurs take
advantage of this changing tech. I do
not believe that AI is a job destroyer
for the overall economy. This could be a
period of job dislocation, but net job
creation. In fact, I think that the idea
that AI will destroy jobs could be
propaganda propagated by anthropic and
open AI so that the federal government
will step in and regulate AI to the
benefit of anthropic and open AI.
Demanding regulation based on a false
narrative would be a very disturbing way
to create moes. As for the software SAS
apocalypse, companies that have not
invested in their products, I think
we're in big trouble. That applies to
some public companies. In our recent
interview with Dan Ies and Gillura, Gil
stated quite openly that he thought that
Salesforce was in trouble. He also
argued that the software companies owned
by private equity are in deep trouble as
private equity has been milking those
companies as opposed to investing in
them. But again, the facts keep
changing. The argument will go on. I
would also point out that investors have
displayed their nervousness by selling
tech stocks and all AI related plays.
That is why NASDAQ is down 7% from its
all-time high on January 2nd. Also, the
Socks Index, which is the EyesShares
semiconductor ETF, is down 23% from its
peak on June 22nd and is down 4% this
week. The change in the AI debate is
also impacting fixed income markets.
Coreweave, the AI data center company,
is in the process of raising debt of 2.6
6 billion to fund additional computing
capacity. The loan is being priced with
a yield of more than, get this, 9%. That
is expensive debt. There is something of
a credit cycle here as fixed income
investors are discriminating between the
large companies like Google that they
know can pay the money back and smaller
newer companies like Coreweave that are
more risky. And now let's turn to
earnings. So many companies reported
this week is exhausting and I won't be
able to come close to covering them all.
So, I've chosen the ones I think are the
most important. First up is Visa, the
stock I've owned for years. Visa
reported a powerful quarter. Earnings
per share of 331 was up 20% versus last
year and versus 323 expected. Net
revenue of 11.6 billion was up 14%
versus last year and also a beat. Total
payment volume was up a strong 10%. So,
no signs here that the consumer is
slowing down. Like Visa, Mastercard also
had a good quarter. The company reported
earnings per share of 504, up 21% versus
last year, and revenue was up 14% and
total payment volume was up 8%. Now,
while overall consumer spending is
strong, signs of the K-shaped economy
are everywhere. Take the results of
Proctor and Gamble. Proctor reported
earnings per share of A$143
versus A$148 last year. So down 3%.
Perhaps worse, organic revenue growth
was 0%.
Bloom Energy. Bloom Energy builds small
to mediumsiz generators that can create
electricity to fuel a data center. The
company's technology turns natural gas
into electricity. Bloom Energy has been
a major beneficiary of the AI boom and
the stock is up over 90% this year
alone. Now, we touched on Bloom in our
recent interview with Ben Callow, the
sustainable energy analyst at Baird.
Bloom's results were very powerful. The
company reported earnings per share of
78, which was up, get this, 680%
versus last year. Revenue surpassed 1
billion for the first time and was up
166% versus last year. This is and is
not an expensive stock. It depends how
you look at it. The 2026 estimated PE is
a high 73 times, but because of the
company's explosive growth rate, the
2027
and 2028 estimate pees are only 37 times
and 23 times respectively. So, if the AI
story keeps going, I would expect Bloom
stock to continue to perform. But again,
the AI story has to keep going. PayPal
company reported numbers that once again
show the problems plaguing the payment
sector. EPS of $138 was down 1% versus
last year revenue was up 3%. Both
earnings and revenue were better than
expected. But so what? The results are
still very sluggish. The big news is
that PayPal received a buyout for $60
from Stripe and Advent, and the company
says that that price is too low. I hate
it when management's played chicken.
PayPal's business is under assault from
large players like Apple and Google. the
company should sell. Wednesday night,
some very important companies reported
and I'd say the overall results were
very mixed. On the positive side,
Microsoft had a good quarter. Microsoft
has been caught in the crosshairs of the
AI debate all year. It's a software
company, so some investors are worried
that AI software will replace it. On the
other hand, it's also a hyperscaler and
therefore its capital needs increased
dramatically. As a result, the stock was
down 19% this year prior to Microsoft
reporting earnings, but this was another
good quarter. EPS of 474 was up 30%
versus last year. Total revenue grew 18%
versus last year. And most importantly,
Microsoft's cloud business Azure saw
revenue growth accelerate to 43% versus
40% in the March quarter. But not all is
great. Free cash flow of 19.6 6 billion
was down 23%. Still, I would
characterize this as a very good quarter
and the stock was up very strong after
hours. I would not characterize Meta's
quarter as a good one. It was quite bad.
Meta reported earnings per share of 618
versus 714 last year. So down down 13%
and a miss versus expectations. Revenue
of 60.8 billion was in line. The problem
here is cost and margins. Revenue was up
28% but expenses climbed 55%. The major
problem here is that research and
development costs jumped from 13 billion
last year to 22 billion. For Meta, the
current costs of playing in the AI sweep
stakes is killing its margins and its
cash flow. Free cash flow is a mere 784
million which is basically nothing and
which shows how capitalintensive this AI
game has become. Also, Meta gave weak
guidance for the next quarter. It
expects revenue of 62.5 billion versus
analyst expectations of 63 billion. For
the allimp important capex, meta
narrowed its guidance for the year to
130 to 145 billion from a prior range of
125 to 145 billion. In other words, it
raised the lower end of the range. There
is no sign that this spending spree is
going to end anytime soon. Quite the
opposite, actually. Meta said that it
has 279 billion in future lease
agreements, mostly related to AI, that
are not yet reflected on its balance
sheet. That is up, get this, 53% in just
3 months. Meta was down 9% after hours.
In comparing Microsoft versus Meta, it's
clear that Microsoft's cloud business is
doing great and powering the overall
company. Meta does not have that
business and is trying to play just in
the LLM space which is expensive and not
yet lucrative enough. Moving on,
Starbucks has been a turnaround story
that finally looks like it's working.
Company reported earnings per share of
85 cents, up 70% versus last year. While
overall sales fell slightly, same store
sales climbed almost 8% and that's the
figure analysts care the most about.
Robin Hood, the online trading platform,
reported on the service, it did well.
Earnings per share was 62 cents versus
42 cents last year and versus estimates
of 43 cents. So revenue climbed 32%
versus last year. However, the stock was
down after hours because crypto revenue
declined 38% to only 100 million.
Overall revenue was up because of
trading in options, equities, and
prediction markets. But some investors
still seem focused on crypto.
Nevertheless, by Thursday morning, the
stock had reversed and was up. Quant
reported. I've owned Quanta for a long
time and we have spoken about Quant
before. It's the company that utilities
hire to build new plants. So, it is a
major beneficiary of the increased need
for electricity because of AI. The
company reported an unbelievably
powerful quarter. Earnings per share was
424, which is 71% year-over-year growth
and way ahead of the consensus. revenue
was 9.6 billion up 41%. Company raised
EPS and revenue guidance for the year.
These are really powerful numbers and
show how much the demand for increased
electricity is impacting certain
companies like Quant Meridage the home
builder I have been recommending
reported. Merid's 2Q26 results were
mixed positively. Both gross margin and
SGNA leverage came in better than
expected, which drove 4% upside to
reported earnings per share of A$142,
but earnings were down 30% versus last
year. On the negative side, both orders
down 9% year-over-year and revenue down
14% were a little shy of expectations,
but I think most importantly, free cash
flow was significantly stronger than
expected as the company has begun to
dial back land spend in favor of
increased share repurchases given the
stock's discounted valuation. During the
quarter, Meritage repurchased $100
million worth of stock, which is 2% of
outstanding shares, and it has bought
back 5% of outstanding shares since the
beginning of the year. Moving on, Fair
Isaac, a stock I've been short, a
company reported, we've discussed this
company at length in an interview with
Kelsey Zoo of Autonomous. The short
thesis is that FICO wields a monopoly in
consumer scoring, but that the new
Vantage score is going to take big
market share in mortgages from FICO. It
is still early in that process. Now,
Mike FICO reported earnings per share of
1218 versus 857, which is 42% growth.
The big EPS growth rate is largely due
to FICO raising prices for years. And
the EPS beat this quarter was also
because of lower thanex expected
expenses. Revenue of 674 million which
was up 26% was actually a miss. The
company also provided soft forward
guidance. A company whose entire
monopolistic business model is
potentially under assault can show no
signs of weakness missing on revenue and
providing soft guidance is weakness. And
the stock was down 17% on Thursday. And
finally, Apple and Amazon reported
Thursday night. Apple was disappointing.
Amazon was strong. With respect to
Apple, EPS was 202, up 29%. No problems
here. Total revenue of 109.4 billion was
fine. However, revenue from all
important services division up 30.4
billion. Missed expectations and China
sales amounted to 18.8 billion. Also a
disappointment. Apple shares fell around
4% after hours. By contrast, the market
liked Amazon's results. APS of 575 was
up huge versus last year. And the most
important data point for Amazon remains
Amazon Web Services where revenue growth
jumped to 37%. These results are kind of
similar to what Microsoft reported and
Amazon stock was up over 7% after hours.
Before we go to the mailbag, I want to
highlight recent news about a particular
hedge fund. Situational awareness. The
$20 billion hedge fund founded by former
open AI employee Liupold Ashen Brener
has sought to raise fresh capital from
investors after suffering heavy losses
during the recent route in AI stocks.
Apparently, the fund was on so much
margin that because of the recent tech
correction, a significant portion of the
capital is gone. Ashen Brener posted
powerful results prior to this debacle
and was lauded by the press as a genius.
Now maybe he is a genius. Maybe he is
incredibly knowledgeable about tech and
AI. But there is more to managing a
hedge fund than just being smart and
knowledgeable. Risk management is key.
In managing a hedge fund, you are the
steward of the capital of your
investors. You need to be sure that you
are not taking risks that way overexpose
your investors. Sure, making money on
the upside is great, but protecting the
downside is just as important, maybe
even more so. That clearly did not
happen here. The coder to the story is
not sweet. On Thursday, the same day
these stories appeared, the fund was
forcibly liquidated to meet margin
calls. And now for the mailbag. In
response to last week's rap, a viewer,
William H2594, said, "Climents on your
show and guests. reminder, there was
always been a K-shaped economy, at least
for the last couple of centuries. An
interesting comment, but whose sentiment
I have to say I disagree with. Last
year, I interviewed John Cassidy, author
of capitalism and its critics, a history
from the industrial revolution to AI.
John Cassidy is a critic of capitalism,
but even he admits that the world is
better off with capitalism than without
it. At the beginning of his book, he
posts a graph entitled global average
GDP per capita in international dollars
years 1 through 2022. This is one of the
more fascinating graphs that I have ever
seen and I am putting it up on the
screen. For those of you who are on
audio, the graph shows that from year 1
till around the early 1800s, global GDP
per capita was basically flat. That
means that human wealth in 1800 was not
much higher than when Jesus walked the
earth. Wealth creation and growth only
really got it started with the
industrial revolution in the mid 1800s.
And then wealth took off in an upward
straight line. That's what the graph
shows. Despite the fact that the
distribution of wealth could certainly
be fairer, everyone, and I mean
everyone, is wealthier today by a lot.
So, yes, we can all complain about the
K-shaped economy, but let's not forget
that we are still all better off. This
last Monday, July 27th, we released an
interview with Dan Ies and Gila, two
tech analysts who cover the full gamut
of tech. We discussed how the debate
around AI has shifted from being all
positive to a much more nuanced
discussion. We talked about capital
intensity, the lack of moes, the
potential for an AI price war, and how
real the threat is to software companies
from AI. We also discuss private
equity's overexposure to software. So
check it out. This coming Monday, August
3rd, something different. We will post
an interview in honor of the 250th
anniversary of the signing of the
Declaration of Independence. The
interview was about a book entitled
Capitalism in America: An Economic
History of the United States. The
authors are Alan Greenspan and Adrien
Waldridge. Obviously, we could not
interview Alan Greenspan as he has
recently passed, but his co-author was
available. We discussed some of the
major themes of US economic history,
including the great debate between
Alexander Hamilton and Thomas Jefferson,
the industrial revolution, and the role
of the robber barons, the causes of both
the great depression and the great
financial crisis. So, please tune in.
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The video summarizes a week of market nervousness, particularly in tech and AI stocks, as the debate around AI shifts from universally positive to more nuanced, considering capital intensity, potential lack of moats for LLM providers, and price wars. Key company earnings results are mixed: Microsoft and Amazon reported strong quarters, as did Visa and Mastercard, while Bloom Energy and Quanta emerged as beneficiaries of the AI boom. Conversely, Meta and Apple showed disappointing results, and PayPal's performance was sluggish. The speaker, Steve Eisman, admitted a mistake on Charter stock and plans to sell. Other topics included the Fed keeping rates unchanged amidst rising oil prices, the liquidation of an AI-focused hedge fund due to poor risk management, and a discussion refuting the idea that the 'K-shaped economy' has always existed, highlighting significant global wealth creation since the industrial revolution.
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